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Post# 670709   4/5/2013 at 16:48 (4,010 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Well I have finally joined the Servis Quartz club with my Quartz Plus 6035 which I picked up last week. Had a right rigmarole getting it as it was near Manchester so I arranged for a courier to collect and deliver which turned into a right farce (don't use Parcel Monkey) so ended up doing a round trip myself although was staying in Cambridge so a little bit shorter than if I'd been at home. Still I'm really pleased I got it.
Cosmetically its not too bad - there is a small bit of rust at the bottom and a few scratches. However, I think the bearing is on its way out as there is a hot metal/burning smell after a while when I have run the spin and the drum comes to a stop very quickly. It doesn't seem to be too noisy though so it might be that the bearing has dried out as not sure when the machine was last used - you should see the powder drawer! There is some staining on the outer tub. This might be the same issue that Chris (Aquarius8000) has with his 3305. I ran a test rinse the other night and there is a leak at the front inside the machine and then also from the door when it started its distribute and pump out so a new door seal is needed as well. I've never attempted a drum bearing replacement before so was wondering if anyone out there has and might have some information especially any service information for the Quartz regarding part numbers etc. I have seen the bearing kits and door seals for sale but not sure about the drum seals. I'm going to have a proper look at the machine over the weekend. In the meantime here are a few pics to enjoy Cheers Steve |
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Post# 670712 , Reply# 1   4/5/2013 at 16:50 (4,010 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 670717 , Reply# 4   4/5/2013 at 16:56 (4,010 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 670718 , Reply# 5   4/5/2013 at 16:59 (4,010 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 670719 , Reply# 6   4/5/2013 at 17:00 (4,010 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 670854 , Reply# 8   4/6/2013 at 12:16 (4,009 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Congratulations Steve on obtaining another classic, That staining doesnt look bad at all for a 28yr old machine, the tubs too tend to be stiff, they dont freewheel, is there any up and down play in the drum? and how does it sound on spin? does it have a lot of vibrations? The burning smell could be a rubbing belt thats sat too long, or see what state the capacitor is in...
Parts are still available and you shouldnt have too much trouble when you need spares, the fabric dispenser looks like it had olf "Comfort" in it by the colour, you should scrape it out and keep it ...ha ha These are great washers with heavy duty circuit boards and you dont see many washers with the "Computer Ribbon"....simple and built to last heres my dads daily drivers still purring along!! |
Post# 671140 , Reply# 9   4/7/2013 at 16:18 (4,008 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi James. Thanks - I love the styling of these too and the circuit board is stamped as 1988 so I think they have aged very well and still look the business. You are right, the front does not come off so I guess the whole tub would have to come off but..........
Hi Mike. It turns out that it was some form of Ariel gel with black mould under it which someone must have popped in by accident. It certainly wasn't gel like scraping it out - yuk. Your Dad's machines look like they are doing their first ever wash!! Anyway, I've had a good play about today and I think the bearing is ok. I took the belt off to see if there was any play and it seems fine. There is a slight squeak when the drum stops but nothing to worry about. I ran it back on a fast spin and the smell is actually coming from the vent from the soap dispenser so it might be that there is a build up of gel in the machine if it had always done low temperature washes. A good old hot wash and clean out might sort it out. However, I am still going to have to open up the tub as the seal has gone at the front which is where the leak is coming from. Will be a good opportunity to make sure it is clean. Any idea what the tub gasket and door seal part numbers are? I haven't seen any that match my model but I'm assuming any of the full panel door models will have the same parts! I couldn't see how the door seal is released from the front either - the chrome ring looks like it has to come off but I'm not sure how. I'm dying to get it up and running again so fingers crossed I don't contract anything from that soap drawer lol Cheers Steve |
Post# 671516 , Reply# 11   4/9/2013 at 05:31 (4,006 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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Did these Servis use high water levels on rinses? Is this model called 'Spectrum' by any chance as it is the same an old friend use to have. Brilliant machines if only you could still buy them today. |
Post# 671531 , Reply# 12   4/9/2013 at 07:08 (4,006 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 671621 , Reply# 13   4/9/2013 at 15:04 (4,006 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Paul
Thanks. I'm going to get hold of a door seal that list the 6000 series model numbers as I'm sure you are right. Fingers crossed but in the absence of part numbers I'll take a chance. Hopefully Mike can remember how to release the old one as I wouldn't want to ruin it. Wish the same could be said for the hunt for the tub seal. I'm not going to give up looking yet but not found one so far. One way or another I will get this lovely old machine back up and running. Hi Ben Yes these machines have low medium and high water levels with normal programmes washing on medium and rinsing on high as you can see on mine and also Mikes photos. The half load button uses the low and medium levels. Hi Chris You definitely don't get high levels now! I've got a load of towels in my smeg at the moment and its struggling to get the foam out so I've had to give it an extra one! No sign of the water just suds :( another good reason to get the quartz back into action S |
Post# 672968 , Reply# 14   4/15/2013 at 16:44 (4,000 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Well I've had a chance for a good fiddle over the weekend and managed to work out how the chrome band comes off - just a little clip at the bottom that you have to tease off and then the band releases.
Now the bad news. The leak is coming from the lower part of the outer tub from the joint between the tub and front cover. I managed to get the tub cover off without having to take the whole shell off the machine. I thought the seal hadn't been fitted properly so cleaned it all up and positioned it fully, reassembled and tested but it leaked again!! I guess if worst comes to worst then I can apply sealant but would rather avoid this but I haven't been able to find a replacement seal. Paul - would you happen to have one of your famous spreadsheets showing all the quartz range model numbers as well as the Electra and Hitachi equivalents? Fingers crossed I might be lucky with the additional info. Here's a picture of the tub front and seal S |
Post# 672984 , Reply# 15   4/15/2013 at 17:30 (4,000 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)   |   | |
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It is okay to use sealant and if I was you I would. :) James. |
Post# 673107 , Reply# 17   4/16/2013 at 03:12 (3,999 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Steve, good to see you got the band off, the only model I have that I have seen that band on is a later Spectrum washer dryer, the set above is an early release, whats the serial number of yours, yes to prise off use a thin flat driver or knife....there are two types of gaskets later ones with the chevron drums had a lip nub at the top, think these are the ones with the band!! Replacement door seals are still available 6033 series, look to see if yours is the later one with the lip!!
Sealant bands are available from e-spares etc, and also Band on a roll, which if you use it join the ends at the top of the tub with a little sealant...your washer looks in good nic , looking forward to seeing the vids!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK on eBay |
Post# 673210 , Reply# 19   4/16/2013 at 14:42 (3,999 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Mike
Thanks for the info. That does look like the right door seal as the machine does have a chevron drum. The chrome band is held together with a small clip at the bottom. There is a small hole either side of this and you basically pull them towards each other which releases the clip and then you can remove the band and then the seal. Will give the sealant band a go as well as would rather keep it so I can take it apart easily in future if I need too. Can you date the machine with the serial number? Yep I'm looking forward to making some vids too! Hi Paul I knew I could depend on you to have the list. Very helpful. General service information for Servis seems very thin on the ground considering their nationwide network. I guess there were a lot of disgruntled engineers at the time they went under who probably ditched stuff. Fingers crossed there is some stuff out there that might surface. Hopefully I can get on and get it up and running again soon as a treat to myself for my birthday :)) |
Post# 673228 , Reply# 20   4/16/2013 at 16:18 (3,999 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 673247 , Reply# 21   4/16/2013 at 18:22 (3,999 days old) by peterlondon (london uk)   |   | |
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Hi Steve, unsure of the model but looks the same as your washer but has manual timer. Will look over the next day or two Pete |
Post# 673485 , Reply# 22   4/17/2013 at 13:54 (3,998 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Pete
Cool look forward to the pics as I'm interested and it would be good to see it too Mike - I'm not sure if I'm being really dumb (highly likely) but I spent hours on't tinternet last night looking for sealant bands and band on a roll but am still unsure which would be suitable. Any chance of a cheeky link so I can go ahead and order? I ordered the door seal straight away so thanks for that. Steve |
Post# 674330 , Reply# 23   4/21/2013 at 05:26 (3,994 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Hello Steve
As you are having bother finding the seal for the Servis drum try locating one for a Hoover instead as they are of a similar ilk it may be a little too big but you can trim it. If memory serves me well its just triangular shaped foam that compresses around the edge thus sealing the tub hope this helps? Austin |
Post# 675193 , Reply# 24   4/24/2013 at 12:59 (3,991 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 675333 , Reply# 25   4/24/2013 at 23:00 (3,991 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 675614 , Reply# 27   4/26/2013 at 11:45 (3,989 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 675823 , Reply# 28   4/27/2013 at 16:00 (3,988 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 676460 , Reply# 31   4/30/2013 at 14:54 (3,985 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Good news folks. I have located a tub seal which is on its way along with a set of new wheels as the original ones are mashed up so perseverance pays off sometimes. Can't wait to get it up and running and thanks all for the advice and information.
Hey Peter. Thanks for the photo of the dryer and yes I would love to take it and do it up so will message to arrange. How long have you had it? Hi Chris - good luck getting your machine up and running I'm sure you'll manage. I managed to get the front band back on on my machine but that is with the existing door seal so might be another story with the new seal. Noted Mathew. I am always injuring myself but normally don't notice until I see blood on something. I did manage to almost pierce my cheek with a screwdriver once over but generally I'm more worried about damaging the machine and scratching it or worse! Anyway, I'll let you know how I get on and hopefully it will be up and running in a couple of weeks town and have a nice matching dryer to boot and I'll have to get some videos to share. Steve . |
Post# 676468 , Reply# 32   4/30/2013 at 15:40 (3,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Well done Steve, look forward to seeing it up and running soon, funny thing that Mathew reminded me , have seen more Servis without the band, the metal onew didnt last long before they made them white plastic - the compact and slimline range never had them on...
Yes Servis wheels tended to Flatten or split and come off over time, make sure you watch the base edges nr the wheels as they tend to dig the floor if tilted!! Been doing some more research and you have an even rarer model, look at the serial number and you will see the "R" on the plate - it stands for factory renovation, these where offered to customers by the engineers or Servis themselves for a reduced complimentary price to wxisting customers - usually test models rejunvenated for resale!! |
Post# 677975 , Reply# 33   5/7/2013 at 16:02 (3,978 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Sesteve, next time, try Get2U, couriers, I've used Craig's service 04 times now, been perfectly satisfied, he's usually earlier than the given timeslot for your job.
CJ CLICK HERE TO GO TO HooverZanMiele's LINK |
Post# 679334 , Reply# 34   5/14/2013 at 15:54 (3,971 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Well the parts arrived and after a bit of a struggle I fitted the new tub and door seals and straightened the door. I couldn't get the band back on properly and after Mathew's tale I wasn't going to end up in A&E!! Will do a temporary fix with some wire.
At first bingo - no leaks - well from the front!! There was a little bit of water at the rear at the end so need to investigate further. I am more convinced that the bearing and seal has gone though. If I turn the drum by hand there is a rubbery squeaking noise and it is rumbling on spin. So I guess that will be the next job but I'm happy it's useable and working once again for the minute especially as its a rare one - cheers Mike for that. Here it is doing its first wash in my place. Will have to do some videos soon too. |
Post# 679338 , Reply# 35   5/14/2013 at 16:15 (3,971 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Whilst on eBay the other day I noticed this Servis Quartz which I'd never seen or knew existed. I guess it was a crossover model from the time Servis went bust using up all the old parts! Anyone got any more information on this? It's ended on eBay but I've put the link in.
Ps thanks Chris for the courier recommendation. Have had to get my credit card company to claim back against Parcelmonkey so a bit of a lesson there! CLICK HERE TO GO TO sesteve's LINK on eBay |
Post# 679346 , Reply# 36   5/14/2013 at 16:32 (3,971 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)   |   | |
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Hi Steve,
Congratulations on getting the Servis up and running - certainly looks a smart example. Looking forward to seeing it in action!
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Post# 680085 , Reply# 37   5/19/2013 at 13:05 (3,966 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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I know everyone is probably bored to bits with this but I thought I'd do a final update on this until I get it sorted and then I'll do a new thread. Anyway I decided to investigate the leak during a wash to see what was going on ready to video it as discussed. The leak is coming from the hole by the bearing which indicates that as I've suspected, the bearing seal has gone which is why it is so noisy on spin. So as predicted, I will have to do a bearing change. Have just accepted an offer in the house so that might have to wait until I've moved - and hopefully will get a workshop!!
However, I could hear another noise while it was washing and it has turned out that one of the spokes on the pulley has fractured :( It's such a fine fracture I hadn't noticed it before. Anyway, I've found a replacement one but it is £50. Is it possible to repair this or will I have to fork out? |
Post# 680086 , Reply# 38   5/19/2013 at 13:05 (3,966 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 680313 , Reply# 39   5/21/2013 at 04:49 (3,964 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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sorry to say but you could try drilling it and screwing a plate to it.
I would have thought you can find a replacement for a lot less than £50 !! Whats it made of ??? lol Do you have any other pulleys around? Try a Hoover 1100 I think they are a similar size. Good luck with the move hope it goes ok Austin |
Post# 680389 , Reply# 41   5/21/2013 at 15:02 (3,964 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Austin
I did think about putting a plate on it but was worried it might upset the balance and the metal is deceptively thin. Wasn't sure if there is some kind of glue for metal that might work. I did also think about another make of pulley. Do the Hoover ones have the same fixing? Hi Alan. Would love to see that brochure if you are able to upload. The Electra version of the Quartz is really smart. Are there any AW members with one I wonder? S |
Post# 680469 , Reply# 42   5/22/2013 at 03:28 (3,963 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 680471 , Reply# 43   5/22/2013 at 04:51 (3,963 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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This was the first crossover model as a merloni machine, would like to know if the programmer is the same as the UK Quartz, did enquire about this washer but had gone already..
SESeve, did you get this machine? Steve, have never seen a cracked drum pulley on any Servis, lots on Hotpoint, I'm sure your local repair shop might have spares, will check my local, as it happens Dads Quartz is now needing a door boot, so will stick a set of brushes in and do the pump at the same time, it does still have the SpinCare drum...Also, keep adding to this thread with your updates, it will build a great store of information!! Hi Alan, I wasnt aware Servis did spin drains, do you mean the distribution drain? or did the Electra have different programming!! |
Post# 680475 , Reply# 44   5/22/2013 at 06:25 (3,963 days old) by miele4life (UK )   |   | |
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Aquacycle, yes, it was replaced with the AM built models by the time they took over Servis, but they weren't strong sellers. chestermikeuk, yes, I did mean distribution-drains, all Quartz's would be programmed the same way. :) |
Post# 681380 , Reply# 45   5/28/2013 at 14:46 (3,957 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Mike
No I didn't go for it - it sold really quick under a buy it now I guess. Would love to see some more info on this model. Anyway, back to my quartz and I'm trying to source a replacement. I bought it from a house clearance place so it might have been them wheeling it in and out! Once I source one I will replace the bearing at the same time as I know it has definitely gone because........ I've bought another Quartz eek! |
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Post# 681400 , Reply# 56   5/28/2013 at 15:49 (3,957 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)   |   | |
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I'd swap the valve and the boards from the brown panelled Quartz into the grey panelled Quartz and just save the grey one. When I hear the word "Quartz" I think fondly of the grey one as they seem much more iconic than the brown one. James. |
Post# 681963 , Reply# 57   6/1/2013 at 15:53 (3,953 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 682290 , Reply# 59   6/3/2013 at 16:10 (3,951 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)   |   | |
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here is possibly the only photo on the internet of the 6031 ... |
Post# 684268 , Reply# 61   6/17/2013 at 16:22 (3,937 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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I finally managed to spend a bit of time this weekend to play around with the Quartz machines in between selling the house and finding somewhere else to live - no joy yet - so I thought I'd take advantage while I can as everything is going to have to go into storage at this rate!!
First I have to agree with both James and Paul about the 6030 having the edge on the styling front and I'm glad I found this machine after finding the brochure I posted last year showing the 6030 and 6031 and matching dryers . However, I feel a sense of responsibility to the 6035 seeing as Mike pointed out its a bit special. Anyway, I'm waffling and currently neither are working properly despite my best efforts :( Too late on the wheels though Paul - I have tram lines on my hall floor so just as well I'm moving LOL I managed to get hold of a power card and a Servis hot water valve so I set about fitting these. On power up - no display but the door solenoid and pump using cancel were working and nothing popped on the new board so some progress. I then went on to switch various parts between the two machines you can see the power card has been removed from the 6035 in the picture |
Post# 684270 , Reply# 62   6/17/2013 at 16:36 (3,937 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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This switching has revealed a few issues. Firstly, I put the new power card into the 6035. This allowed the machine to power up but the display just showed the bar to indicate the door was open even when the door was shut.
Next I put the control card from the 6030 into the 6035 with the 6035s original power card in - hope you are keeping up with this!! The display did not work but instantly the hot water valve was buzzing so I'm guessing there is something wrong with the 6030 control card that allowed its power card to get damaged from trying to operate the hot valve continuously as shown earlier with the burnt out triac - I guess the control card needs looking at. Here are the two cards with the ICC card belonging from the 6030 - there's no obvious damage to the card. |
Post# 684276 , Reply# 63   6/17/2013 at 16:49 (3,937 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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So finally I put both the power card and control card from the 6035 into the 6030. This allowed me to power up the machine and I was able to do the customary H spin programme. That went well so tried a rinse and spin A programme. The machine started to fill but as soon as the low water level on the pressure switch made, the machine went into an F6 fault indicating something is up with the heater circuit. I tried agin on programme 2 and the same thing happened. I checked the pressure bottle just to be sure and that was fine.
Paul passed me o e technical information for the 600 series which includes modifications for the 6030 but I'm not sure if there were other wiring mods between this and the 6035. I ran out of time so options seem to be that > there is a fault with the heater/cut out but it's not showing on a multimeter and also was not tripping out the electrics > there is a fault with the pressure switch which may have something to do with the hot water valve operating > there has been a wiring mod between the two models which is not obvious. any suggestions out there for this? Here's a pic of the two in bits |
Post# 684302 , Reply# 64   6/17/2013 at 19:57 (3,937 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)   |   | |
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Post# 684469 , Reply# 65   6/18/2013 at 16:14 (3,936 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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Didn't Servis do a model called 'Spectrum'? |
Post# 684631 , Reply# 66   6/19/2013 at 16:28 (3,935 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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I am thinking along the same lines Craig but I will try switching the pressure switch next time I get the chance to fiddle. The floor looks good but is a real bugger to keep clean even with a steam mop!! Mind you it has come in handy on the few occasions when the drain hose from various machines has slipped off the sink!
Ben - you are right there were spectrum models which I assume we're sold through specific outlets like the Laser models but I'm not sure. Perhaps one of the Servis experts (Mike and Paul) might be able to she'd some light on this :) |
Post# 686271 , Reply# 67   6/29/2013 at 09:50 (3,925 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 686309 , Reply# 68   6/29/2013 at 13:54 (3,925 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Steve,
Which, in the pic above, is the left machine with the door fully open? After the pressure vessel pipe split on the Sapphire, as Ian, Grandma's washer engineer showed me, I notice, looking at your pic above, the machine on the left looks exactly identical to the Sapphire's setup, part location wise, with the metal bar across the top from either side. Btw, any Servis owners, what's the deal with these machines having them wretched "PITA" vents on the rear panel for? When the pressure vessel pipe'd split, it caused the Sapphire to overfill, thus ending up with water pouring out one of these said vents & causing a lovely lagoon of water over the garage floor, soaking everything in the streams path. Also, what's with the necessity of having the inlets on the side of the back panel, instead of a simple, conventional machine like my Logic Premier? Steve, Paul, Mike, I'm not sure if you're aware, but ZodaWash (Not to confuse Sesteve, with ZodaWash Steve), sold me his Quartz 6036G, which he posted on GumTree & Ebay, he kindly delivered it to my house, only being an hour from his place, on June 17th, so his Quartz's been rescued by a Servis enthusiast, who's now got, currently, 03 different models of Servis... A 1982 Servis Quartz 04KG 1000RPM AutoWasher Mk600. A 1983 Servis Quartz 04KG 1000RPM AutoWasher 6036G. A 1989 Servis Sapphire AutoWash/Dry 04KG 1300RPM Washer Dryer 9635. The Mk600 is ultimately destined for Aquarius8000's capable ownership, the Sapphire & Quartz 6036G will remain with me, once a reshuffle's complete, the Quartz will sit next to the Sapphire where my trusty Zanussi JetSytem WJD1667W currently resides, which's going to my Grandma, due to it being more suited to her needs than her current Ultima WD860, therefore making way for ZodaWash's Quartz. Paul or Mike, maybe you could confirm the below thoughts/beliefs? I noticed that, after Aquarius8000's acquisition of his Servis 3305, that the porthole is different to my Sapphire (Chris, I've borrowed one of your pics, for comparison only, hope you don't mind?), why has my Sapphire got a glass, Míele style porthole glass? Rather than the seemingly standard plastic, flat, porthole that the Mk600, Chris's 3305, & my new Quartz sport? Was it to deflect the heat back into the drum/load? Rather than it being lost through the door glass & heat shield of the door? Don't forget, the Sapphire's a Washer Dryer, not an AutoWasher. CJ |
Post# 686317 , Reply# 69   6/29/2013 at 14:17 (3,925 days old) by aquarius8000 ()   |   | |
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CJ... It has the door glass like that probably because of the dryer ducting, as mine isn't and yours is a washer dryer. I don't mind use of the pics BTW! Chris (Correct me if I'm wrong) |
Post# 686318 , Reply# 70   6/29/2013 at 14:32 (3,925 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 686807 , Reply# 71   7/2/2013 at 09:11 (3,922 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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I think I am finally getting to the bottom of the problem with the 6030. Having realised that I had only printed part of the service manual (Duh) the missing bit said that if F6 appears when the low level is reached points to an open circuit heater or short circuit heater triac.
With the help of a multi meter I have found that the thermal fuse that protects the plastic tub if the heater control goes haywire has failed. I have ordered a replacement so I have my fingers crossed that this will get the machine back up and running. Austin - I will drop you an email tonight as I am sure that I will be able to make use of some of your stash! |
Post# 686808 , Reply# 72   7/2/2013 at 09:13 (3,922 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Quite a simple little thing really! I have a feeling that this machine has suffered from a power surge which has popped various bits.
CJ - that one is the 6035. I have to say that both machines are pretty much identical inside - the 6035 has a metal counterweight on top and the heater protection is different but all else seems the same. The front metal strip is the cover from the pressure switch/water valves which I rested on top but there is a strap further back. |
Post# 686810 , Reply# 73   7/2/2013 at 09:20 (3,922 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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I'm not sure why these machines have 2 vents as you can see from the picture. The one on the hose from the dispenser has caused a few issues from me when I have used liquid (Method) detergent as when the water level starts to rise in the machine a substantial amount of foam came out the back and all over the floor!!
The side valve inlets were quite useful for some people especially if the machine needed to be accommodated under a shallow worktop as it meant the machine could go back to the wall as long as your plumbing was on the right side. The neighbour in our street has the 600 and the gap it was fitted in meant that the hoses had to be connected once the machine had been pushed back using the straight end as opposed to the elbow. |
Post# 686827 , Reply# 74   7/2/2013 at 10:30 (3,922 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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CJ - Im not sure if the Sapphire would have the same interlocks but this part of the service manual suggests that the water should be shut off if there is no response from the pressure switch after a period of time. I guess this could still be long enough for water to escape.
"The power to valves is supplied via the empty contact of the high level switch. This means that the machine cannot fill above high level, barring switch failure. An electronic interlock limits the fill time from one level to the next to 3¼ minutes so that a switch failure would be detected and the power to the valves turned off." Did yours switch off or did you have to intervene? S |
Post# 689351 , Reply# 75   7/14/2013 at 16:35 (3,910 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Sesteve,
When the pressure vessel pipe'd split, it filled to about 3/4 up the door glass, before I caught it, & emptied it, but it'd been spewing water for probs 05 mints before I caught it. Usually, it only just, covers the door seal below where the door porthole sits, when the door's shut. When I've got the quartz from ZodaWash fully plumbed in, I'll take a photo of the H2O levels of both the Sapphire & the Quartz for you to see. Btw, if you're on FB there're pics & full details of the crew on a group I've set up on there, if you're an FB member, let me know, I'll add you as a friend & then add you to the group if you'd like. I hope to have the Quartz 6036G connected by the following wkd from now (20, 21st/07) (I've attached a pic of the crew for you, as of the 08th/07). CJ |
Post# 690084 , Reply# 76   7/17/2013 at 16:33 (3,907 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi CJ
I am on Facebook so will send you a message. The line up looks great. I've just posted in shoppers square a Sapphire that is on eBay in great condition. I'd be tempted myself but all mine are going into storage as I'm about to move out but yet to find a new pad. Besides I think I need to concentrate on getting mine working. I replaced the cut out and all seemed to be ok until it started flashing at F1 at the end of the cycle which means the thermistor circuit is faulty. I swapped the thermistors between the two machines but still no joy so will need to explore further at some point. Could be the wiring or the circuit board. At least I can do some washing in it but only at incoming water temperature. I'll get there eventually - it's not going to defeat me!! S |
Post# 690772 , Reply# 78   7/20/2013 at 18:26 (3,904 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 696504 , Reply# 82   8/14/2013 at 16:20 (3,879 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Martin
Having now replaced one of these I would say that you could use any seal but generally a thinish one that you can trim to size. I used a Hoover one but it really is a bit too thick. You can't get them for the quartz series unfortunately The proper way to do it is to remove the machine casing from the chassis so you get full access to the front. However, I managed by removing the door boot and laying the machine on its back. This allowed me to take the tub seal clips off. If you unscrew the soap dispenser drawer you can push it back enough to let you take the front of the tub out. Wrap the new seal on this and then reassemble in reverse. Good luck Steve :) |
Post# 860410 , Reply# 85   1/6/2016 at 10:52 (3,004 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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Hi Anthony
Wow this thread has made me realise how time has flown past - still need to get my machines fully sorted but hopefully will get the chance soon. I will email you the service information I have - Its not greatly detailed but it might help you out. It could be the thermal fuse like it was on mine. Good luck with it S |
Post# 865302 , Reply# 86   2/3/2016 at 04:28 (2,976 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Hello AW-enthousiasts.
Although I have visited this splendid website and forum many times in the past it has just occurred to me that it's high time to join in. Also, I have a Quartz 6032 which I bought (new) in 1987 and would like to return to active service. It emigrated with me in 1995 and has been in (dry) storage since then. On / via your site I found a film of a 603x in operation and those sights and sounds made me feel rather as if I was slipping into a favourite jumper (hand-washed, of course). So more news as the project (slowly) progresses (er, starts). Don |
Post# 865358 , Reply# 87   2/3/2016 at 14:19 (2,976 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 880176 , Reply# 89   5/10/2016 at 09:56 (2,879 days old) by owen ()   |   | |
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Of course it would help if I put my number on. doh. 07736 548 671 |
Post# 880316 , Reply# 90   5/11/2016 at 10:56 (2,878 days old) by ServisChris (Southampton, Hampshire UK)   |   | |
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Post# 880318 , Reply# 91   5/11/2016 at 11:11 (2,878 days old) by owen ()   |   | |
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Hi Chris - have dropped you an email ! |
Post# 884298 , Reply# 92   6/9/2016 at 20:19 (2,849 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Deconstruction/Don,
The Servis Quartz & Sapphires have what are known as 1/2 panel doors. There were two varieties mainly, with the third being very rare: 01) 1/2 panel door with plastic porthole window with target pattern (AutoWashers). 02) 1/2 panel door with sloping glass porthole (Washer Dryers). 03) Décor full panel with 1/2 panel door with plastic porthole window with target pattern, behind outer door. I've been lucky to own most variations of these machines, Sapphire AutoSelect 6065, Quartz 6104 & 6036G, Quartz Mk600, all autowashers & a Sapphire 9700 washer dryer etc, all since Oct 2011. I still have in daily operation my Sapphire 9635 washer dryer, & its brother, the 9634, the only differences between model codes being cabinet & trim colours. I believe the only Quartz model that featured a décor full panel door, concealing the 1/2 panel door behind, was a model 6032 (confirmed from my range brochure), I'll post snaps below of each machine I've had, and a Sapphire snap, showing the example of the 6032. All Quartz's both 603- & Mk600 models were all 1000RPM spin machines with the exception of the 6104 which was a 1100RPM model. Only selected Sapphire models had a 1300RPM spin speed, the AutoSelect 6065, AutoWash 6055, my ex 9700, now with a friend, & my two, the 9634/9635 were all 1300RPM. There was an Electra badged Quartz style washer dryer. Snapped up by ChesterMikeUK (the #01 authority on Servis). www.automaticwasher.org/TD/AWJPEG... Anyway, I'll leave y'all for now with a selection of snaps of the machines I've had & the Sapphire equivalent style of the 6032. Key of snaps as follows: 01/02) Quartz 6036G. 03) Quartz 6104. 04/05) Sapphire AutoSelect 6065. 06) Sapphire AutoSelect 6065/Sapphire 9635, showing door porthole variation. 07) Quartz Mk600. 08) Sapphires 9700/9635, set up for use (Original use set up). 09) Sapphire 9700. 10) Sapphire 9634 (Left), 9635 (Right). 11) Sapphire/9635 full décor door (NOT REAL, self edited version!). 12) Sapphire 9634/9635 1/2 décor door no porthole (NOT REAL, self edited version!). 13) Quartz 6032 (The REAL one). 14) Quartz 6030/6031 1/2 panel no porthole. ] 15) Quartz 6030/6031 1/2 panel with porthole. (Stephen, hope you don't mind me borrowing a self edited copy of snaps 14/15 from your booklet?). If any of this description is confusing, I'll apologise now! If you wish the full table of Servis models for reference, I'm sure Mike will happily oblige and post a copy up for y'all. CJ |
Post# 884299 , Reply# 93   6/9/2016 at 20:24 (2,849 days old) by HooverZanMiele (Scunthorpe, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 905859 , Reply# 95   11/7/2016 at 14:29 (2,698 days old) by ServisChris (Southampton, Hampshire UK)   |   | |
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Hi, your mother in law's kitchen won't have been the only kitchen built around a Servis 585mm cabinet I'm sure! Gaskets are still available, and pretty reasonably priced. I've got 2 of these machines, just stripped and rebuilt one just last week and thats had a new gasket too. Attached is a link to one on eBay, give us a shout if you have any problems with it in the future! (Or if its ever up for disposal!)
Hope this helps! Chris CLICK HERE TO GO TO ServisChris's LINK on eBay |
Post# 907348 , Reply# 96   11/17/2016 at 04:35 (2,688 days old) by idswain (Salisbury UK)   |   | |
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Thanks a lot. I will now have a look . I will also let you know if she ever wants to get rid of it or more likely moves. BW Ian |
Post# 908963 , Reply# 97   11/29/2016 at 07:06 (2,676 days old) by pak05 (Birkenhead)   |   | |
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Is there anyware I can get a replacement port hole glass foe a Servis M6036 also a replacement gasket I see a number on this site but not for servis M6036 |
Post# 938274 , Reply# 98   5/13/2017 at 11:23 (2,511 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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At very long last I have started to investigate my 6033G.
To begin with thank you to those who have posted tips and information. Today I dug the machine out and manoeuvred it into a suitable position. After a quick look around for broken / bare wires I provided power and saw the comforting LED in the display. Then opened the front door and observed that the door seal has dematerialised so that's the first problem - I imagine that this will be very difficult to find :( Around at the back with all the covers off, I found that a little rubber hose which runs from a round thing (which has electrical connections) near the top of the cabinet then down and around the back of the drum case to a little plastic 'bottle' ( a water-level sensor?) has corroded almost completely where it fits onto the 'bottle' - a very simple fix :) Apart from that the only other visible issue is the broken, flattened and jammed wheels - but I can deal with them. So the first challenge is the door seal. Anyone, any tips? :) |
Post# 938280 , Reply# 99   5/13/2017 at 12:21 (2,511 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Don, Great news on getting stuck into your Servis Quartz, the gasket is still just available, grab stocks while you can...heres the link Chris provided earlier.
The thin tube from the pressure pot to the pressure switch should be an easy fix, car spares shop would be a first port of call... Let us know how you get on... CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK on eBay |
Post# 938412 , Reply# 100   5/14/2017 at 03:58 (2,510 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 938420 , Reply# 101   5/14/2017 at 05:04 (2,510 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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I think I forgot to actually post a previous message after previewing it :) so here it is (again).
Thank you for the link, I have sent chestermike a message on EBAY. The small-bore rubber tube has been replaced (old cars are one of my other hobbies). And I've cleaned out some dust and spiders' webs. There are a few patches of rust on the inside of the cabinet and some rusty threads but I will wait until I'm sure the machine works before dismantling it to recondition these. The drain-pump seemed a bit grimy so I took it out and cleaned it up a bit. I suppose I could test that on the workbench. So that broken rubber pipe is part of a pressure-sensing system? What might be the effect of the system being open? Are any technical drawings and manuals of the 603x available? |
Post# 938640 , Reply# 102   5/15/2017 at 11:05 (2,509 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 938940 , Reply# 103   5/17/2017 at 05:55 (2,507 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Will check a few sites here and get back to you, inbox me your postcode address for mailing costs etc..
Is it the schematics breakdown n parts list you are wanting for the Quartz 6k series ?
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Post# 939009 , Reply# 104   5/17/2017 at 13:14 (2,507 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 939883 , Reply# 105   5/23/2017 at 13:41 (2,501 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 940199 , Reply# 106   5/25/2017 at 09:56 (2,499 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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The project continues.
The little rubber-pipe has been replaced and I managed to obtain a new door-seal and fit it (!@#). After putting some water into the drum through the soap-tray to check for leaks there was a dribble from the seal at the drum joint but tightening the retaining-band stopped it. With no other problems apparent, I decided to risk a programme. Chose E (30° 'quickwash') and started it. Familiar, comforting sights and sounds: both water valves opened and the machine filled, the drum turned now and again, no leaks or strange noises but after about 1 minute, an error-code - alternating F and 4 - appeared in the display and the action stopped. Drained the machine manually by lowering the drain hose. So, questions: 1. what does F4 mean? 2. does anyone have a list of all error-codes? 3. is it possible to get the machine to empty using the keys? i.e. get the drain-pump to run Of course slightly disappointing but realistically it's still progress because this 6033 hasn't been run since 1997! As always grateful for any advice :) |
Post# 940201 , Reply# 107   5/25/2017 at 10:07 (2,499 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Just found some codes online; could someone confirm if these are correct for the 6033?
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Post# 941733 , Reply# 109   6/4/2017 at 13:08 (2,489 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 942832 , Reply# 110   6/10/2017 at 07:10 (2,483 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Included in this post are photographs of the front and back of the motherboard.
What kind of damage should I be looking for? Next job, examine the carbon brushes in the motor. |
Post# 942855 , Reply# 111   6/10/2017 at 11:30 (2,483 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 942867 , Reply# 112   6/10/2017 at 13:23 (2,483 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain)   |   | |
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Post# 942883 , Reply# 113   6/10/2017 at 15:07 (2,483 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Then even if they still work I should replace them.
These - from gcr-suffolk and ebay - look right but Servis is not listed, only Creda, Electra, Gala, Hotpoint etc. Can anyone confirm if these are suitable or, if not, a part reference number for the correct carbons?
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Post# 943173 , Reply# 114   6/12/2017 at 11:25 (2,481 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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I'm not 100% certain but I think these are GEC motors so they should fit - I don't have a parts list to check but you can find these brushes quite readily and cheaply on Ebay so just check around for cost as they are quite universal. I think even though I have had mine to bits (as above) I never looked at the motor as that seemed to be the bit that was working fine!
The power board looks fine and F$ is a motor tacho fault - motor too fast or too slow so the brushes are a good place to start along with the tacho coil at the back of the motor. Take a couple more pictures of the motor if you get the chance. S |
Post# 943185 , Reply# 115   6/12/2017 at 13:46 (2,481 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 949092 , Reply# 116   7/20/2017 at 09:35 (2,443 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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So, after a pause of a few weeks I have had another go at the machine.
The new carbons seem not to fit. The basic design / form is very similar but there are several detail differences. At first I thought that it was only an updated design but there is a problem: they slide into the motor in the same way but not quite far enough to allow the retaining wings to clear the body of the motor and so they will not lock into place. Are there many different types of carbon? Is cleaning the armature essential? I attach photographs of the motor sticker and of the original (black) and new (grey-blue) carbons. |
Post# 949099 , Reply# 117   7/20/2017 at 10:50 (2,443 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 949411 , Reply# 118   7/22/2017 at 08:13 (2,441 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)   |   | |
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As luck would have it I have my quartz stripped down as I fixed the heating issue but there was a leak and the bearing seal needed replacing. I will update with some pictures on all that when it's back together and working.
I've taken the motor off today to look at the brushes and they are worn right down so am replacing them. My new ones are held together with an elastic band to keep the carbon in its holder but the ones you have have a small tab that you need to bend to release the brush from its holder so it pops out and ends up springing in and out. They should fit as it's a basic GEC motor the same as the hotpoints and those are the right brushes. I've had to push quite firmly to get them to lock in place - much easier with the motor out of the machine. I would give it another try and see as I can't see from your pictures why they wouldn't fit. S |
Post# 949767 , Reply# 119   7/24/2017 at 03:44 (2,439 days old) by deconstruction (WEESP, The Netherlands)   |   | |
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Thank you for the advice. It occurred to me later that the problem seems only to be that the new brush-unit will not lock in place. This is caused by the length of the wings. Otherwise the fit seems to be good (and all I have to do is push in the little tab to allow the carbon rod to spring out onto the armature). So perhaps I should trim the wings...
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