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Zoppas Stovella Dishwasher?????
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Post# 670919   4/6/2013 at 17:37 (1,632 days old) by ian_p61 (Melbourne Australia)        

Hi All,

Trolling through the net found a interesting machine!

Tell me about it! - should I get it??





Post# 670926 , Reply# 1   4/6/2013 at 18:24 (1,632 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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An Italian machine in Australia?????? What???? What the hell? How come?
Didn't know they were exported abroad!

From what I know they were very good dishwashers, and if only I could find one it would be mine as for an old Rex or Ignis...

Here is a video of that exact model from an italian appliance collector:




I'm just not sure...but maybe parts would be hard to get, hope not needed in your case, but a good dishwasher and if I were in you and price is fair I'd grab it, being sure it works properly...
It's similar of a KA dishwasher.....


Post# 670939 , Reply# 2   4/6/2013 at 20:02 (1,632 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
"An Italian machine in Australia??????"

There are plenty of Italians here in Oz. This machine was probably brought over by someone from Italy. Maybe they had it shipped with their belongings when they immigrated. Or they purchased it with their Ozzie $$$s whilst on holidays and had it shipped. In the 70s the Australian dollar was worth more than the US$ and one would have gotten a very favorable exchange to Lira. During the 70s there were no European dishwashers available for retail in Australia, as far as I am aware.

Post# 670950 , Reply# 3   4/6/2013 at 20:31 (1,632 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Looks like

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A KitchenAid 15 series Door Latch.

Post# 671015 , Reply# 4   4/7/2013 at 08:20 (1,632 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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Oh Okay, yes I know in Australia there're many people who emigrated from Italy, just didn't think they would have brought their things such a dishwasher, but of course it was cheaper in those years and I know not unusual as it would be today because of many things.....also, voltage in Australia is same as Europe so there was another approach to export appliances than elsewhere such Canada and USA...
Anyway that's unusual, isn't it? It was already weird to find a dishwasher in italian homes back then in the 60s and early 70s, only rich families had one....

So  if bought during a travel it must have been a really favorable exchange to allow a saving and cover dishwasher price and shipping, without counting that one would have renounced to the warranty to prefer to have it  purchased and shipped from Italy...or in Australia dishwashers were terribly expensive back then...

Probably was shipped with all the emigrated goods....I think this theory is the more possible one...anyway it's already very, very rare to find one here in Italy for the reasons above, not to mention in Australia! That's why I'm surprised!



Post# 671020 , Reply# 5   4/7/2013 at 09:00 (1,632 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

If Ian_p61 decides to buy this machine he could find out about it's origins and how it ended up in Oz.

Post# 671023 , Reply# 6   4/7/2013 at 09:17 (1,632 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        

I'm pretty sure these WERE sold new in Australia. I have certainly heard of Zoppas Stovella dishwashers here before.

There were several European dishwashers sold here in the 1970s - Indesit were quite popular, also Asea (later Asko). Asea were also sold badged as New World and were popular and had a very good reputation. I think Bendix dishwashers were sold here too.

My family had a Simpson dishwasher in the late 1970s or early 1980s - good old Aussie brand but it was a German machine. The manufacturer was clearly shown on the ID label but I don't remember it - it might have been Bauknecht??? It was a very "German" looking word.

Chris


Post# 671115 , Reply# 7   4/7/2013 at 14:30 (1,631 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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Stovella is the model name Zoppas dishwasher had also after the Zanussi arrives and even in modern stuff...so maybe you  heard of a stovella in later models..as after Zanussi arrives they indeed started  widely export outside Italy.

Just didn't know this for the earlier Zoppas, that they were exported also in Australia... I'm so curious to hear the story!
They were real, sturdy machines! Dishwashers as they should be and how they used to make them back then!!!
Of course  incomparable to today's dishwashers when you've to do stuff by hand prior of machine wash and are worth nothing....

 

You'll probably see:


It does not have a filter  meant as the things  thin  as a needle you find today and you found in italian machines after the 70s,  but a grid that blocked things bigger than an almond, while the rest passed through and was liquidized in the motor  in the liquidizer chopping system,  thing that modern dishwashers (at least here in Italy) lost for some reasons, and that many  people would dream to be brought back, thing that once,  when  dishwashers were made  as it should be, was present... .

Anyway a nice machine.... this CandyBiMatic guy do have a big luck  and  bank account to have such a large collection and find such NOS/NIB stuff! Damn how lucky!
Here is another video of a 1968 Stovella..... how I'd like to have one... but I have to be happy with my Crappy Bosch for now....I would happily throw it down the window...



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Post# 671158 , Reply# 8   4/7/2013 at 17:04 (1,631 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Simpson dishwashers

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from the late 1970's were made by Bosch.

A friends mother had a New World (ASEA) when they had their kitchen redone in the mid/late 1970's. It was a fantastic machine and still going strong when she sold the house in 2003.


Post# 671183 , Reply# 9   4/7/2013 at 18:27 (1,631 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I was always under the impression that Simpson manufactured their own dishwashers, at least until they existed in name only.

When I was first in the market for a dishwasher in '82, there wasn't all that much choice really. I don't recall there being any German machines anywhere and I browsed through all the major retail outlets like Norman Ross, Grace Bors., David Jones, Retravison, Joyce Mayne - I even remember searching through the Yellow Pages.

I ended up buying an Italian made Bendix from Retravision, which they had to order in especially and that turned out to be crap. As soon as the warranty expired so did the dishwasher. After that I went for GE.

The brands that I remember seeing around at the time were GE, Whirlpool, Simpson, Westinghouse, Toshiba and that pretty much was it. Most stores didn't really display a huge choice of machines.

Maybe they sold more dishwashers in Melbourne.


Post# 671187 , Reply# 10   4/7/2013 at 18:37 (1,631 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Can anyone identify this dishwasher on Gumtree

It looks like a fusion of different influences.



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Post# 671190 , Reply# 11   4/7/2013 at 18:44 (1,631 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
Zoppas Dishwasher

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Wow! That is a very Hobart looking design. This company appears to have studied the design that Hobart was using for KA DWs quite closely and based their machine on it.
WK78


Post# 671191 , Reply# 12   4/7/2013 at 18:48 (1,631 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        
old European dishwashers in Australia

I do think it was these older 1970s Zoppas models I have heard of.

From 1979 my sister used to work for the Trading Post, a weekly newspaper of second hand items for sale. (Ebay on paper...) We used to get a copy of the Trading Post every week and of course I always read the washing machines, dishwashers for sale columns.....

Zoppas dishwashers were not common but they would be advertised from time to time. If they were sold second hand around 1980 then they would have been from the 1970s.Zoppas fridges were sold here too.

Melbourne had a very large Greek and Italian migrant population since the 1960s. The inner suburbs of Richmond, Collingwood, Carlton, Fitzroy, Brunswick, and Coburg all had big Italian communities and there were small importers who brought in Italian brands both of furniture and appliances. Bendix washing machines importer was in Brunswick, and there was a small business in Coburg who was mainly a washing machine and fridge repairer, but who also imported Zerowatt appliances in small numbers. (That business still exists at the same address, but is now just a repairer, not an importer.) The Zerowatt appliances I saw were late 1980s but I don't know how long he had been importing...These would only have been sold locally, the customers would have mainly been immigrants who preferred to buy the brands they knew and trusted from home, and to deal with a salesman who spoke Italian.
In the late 70s and early 80s the only front loader washing machines you would find in most electrical stores would be a Hoover or a Pacific (rebadged Gorenje.) Other brands such has Asea, Miele, Bosch, Bendix, GEC, and so on would have been in small specialty stores in the inner suburbs with large migrant populations. Dishwasher brands would have been similar.

Chris.


Post# 671192 , Reply# 13   4/7/2013 at 18:51 (1,631 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Appears to be a collector. This model is a KA 4-way hydrosweep with a wash tower for the upper rack. Appears to have never been used. The collector also has another Stovella without the upper rack tower, just the 4-way hydrosweep wash arm and machine has been used.

Post# 671193 , Reply# 14   4/7/2013 at 18:53 (1,631 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        
Rapunzel's mystery dishwasher is...

a New World.

rebadged ASEA.

A very good machine. My employer now has a Fisher and Paykel which I have repaired a few times and she says it isn't a patch on her old machine which was one of these ASEA / New World machines.


Post# 671200 , Reply# 15   4/7/2013 at 19:08 (1,631 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        
Look what I found

the Simpson model in question. This is the German Simpson. Yes, later Simpsons were Aussie made but these pre-date them.

Ours was the same as this except ours had only one control knob - the one in the link has two.

Ours had a stainless steel lower wash arm and on top of that was a white lever with 5 positions - it adjusted the strength of the wash spray, so you could make it more gentle if needed. Ours never moved from full blast.

the top was arm was plastic and water squirted down from a nozzle in the roof of the dishwasher, down a funnel in the centre of the top rack, to feed water to the top spray arm. (So no centre tower.) Ours had a white plastic interior, too. The one in the link is stainless steel, probably a higher model. Mum would have bought the cheapest.

Ours was mobile, through an add-on kit.

Ronhic - Are you SURE it was a Bosch ? that doesn't ring any bells with me. I thought it was a longer name. It certainly was the same manufacturer as the one I have linked here, whoever that was.

Chris


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Post# 671212 , Reply# 16   4/7/2013 at 19:42 (1,631 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
It certainly looks like a Bosch

and is similar to the very first (Bosch) dishwasher my parents bought in 1971; when we were still living in Germany. Ours had only one control dial on the left and the little orage light on right of the dash. I've never come accross plastic interiors in any German machines though and I would be very surprised if they'd dumbed down their machines for export like that.

Surely Simpson manufactured dishwashers locally during the 50s and 60s? I came accross a built-in top loading impeller model dating back to the sixties, which had what appeared to be a Simpson motor, but I couldn't find any info alluding to its origins. Any labeling had come off or was illegible unfortunately.


Post# 671216 , Reply# 17   4/7/2013 at 19:53 (1,631 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
The ASEA New World machine

looks like something from the late sixties or early seventies. It strikes me as some kind of mishmash between US and Euro design elements. The interior reminds me a little of the Australian GE dishwashers that were available during the early eighties, with the stainless center tower and washarms; that was also a design feature of the Toshiba machines. It also doesn't appear to have the salt compartment, which were ubiquitous in Euro dishwashers. Were these New World machines manufactured here?

Post# 671218 , Reply# 18   4/7/2013 at 20:29 (1,631 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Coming to think of it

KitchenAid sold a dishwasher over here during the eighties. It was advertised as American technology and German quality (i.e. built in Germany). The interior was identical to US KitchenAids bar that this machine had a stainless interior. The control panel had the KitchenAid latch, but looked more European and Zoppas control panel reminds me of it (but then what is mememory, but a fleeting glimpse of things gone by playing tricks on the feeble mind).

Post# 671223 , Reply# 19   4/7/2013 at 20:58 (1,631 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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The German Simpson definitely is a Bosch dishwasher indeed. The BOL Bosch models had plastic interiors. I remember having dinner once at somebody who had such a BOL model.



Post# 671226 , Reply# 20   4/7/2013 at 21:08 (1,631 days old) by A440 ()        

This indeed looks Hobart - Kitchenaid design.
I remember seeing a very old Stovella (Early 60's) on the Internet and it had a cast iron wash arm just like the Hobart's from the same period. Could it have been an old Consumer Reports issue?


Post# 671238 , Reply# 21   4/7/2013 at 21:58 (1,631 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Michael's mum had the Simpson/Bosch shown in the pics, her's has never been used, but has deteriated from age. It was the first plastic tubbed machine I'd ever seen in Australia. I've not been interested enough in it to try and source parts to try and bring it back to life.

Nobody has mentioned the local Dishlex in the list of machines available in the late 70's. I've always wondered what their country of origin is. I've got an earlier one that is more waste king on the inside, but I've never discovered where the late 70's until the mid 90's design was sourced from.


Post# 671267 , Reply# 22   4/8/2013 at 01:55 (1,631 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Dishlex

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machines were originally labeled as 'Dishlex SMEG'....

At some point they became part of Vulcan and then when Vulcan disappeared, part of Chef and then bundled together with Hoover/Westinghouse/Simpson etc to eventually become part of Electrolux.


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Post# 925239 , Reply# 23   3/6/2017 at 03:34 (203 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
FWIW ...

I'm sure these were sold in AU with a Dishlex brand back in the late 60s/early 70s.

Lavastoviglia is Italian for "dishwasher". The "stoviglia" part suggests "service" or "place setting". The "Stovella" brand may have been a sound-pun on that word in Italian, much as "Dishlex" conveys an association between "dishes" and "electricity" in English





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