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Post# 675882   4/27/2013 at 20:25 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()        

Hey guys new to the forum...my friend is doing a clean out of a house that is like a time capsule. This house is amazing everything is untouched and they have an Insinkerator Classic Supreme Dishwasher basically new only used a few times. I was wondering if this is a good dishwasher. It is in absolute mint condition. How does it compare to current dishwashers? It is model # "WSSUP" I love the look






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Post# 675887 , Reply# 5   4/27/2013 at 20:30 (3,987 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
GOOD???

Heck no...its GREAT, I would say NOTHING built today would even come close to this!!

Post# 675888 , Reply# 6   4/27/2013 at 20:39 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()        

Its a beautiful looking machine. It seems so solid the door hinges to the tub to the baskets. I have a new Kitchen Aid but it doesnt do a great job. Does anyone have experience with this exact model? I think this one has the Whirlpool pump how does this compare to the Hobart pump?

Post# 675897 , Reply# 7   4/27/2013 at 21:11 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()        

Also is there anywhere to get stainless steel panels for it still?

Post# 675904 , Reply# 8   4/27/2013 at 21:38 (3,987 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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Wow, wow and... WOW!

That is the machine of dreams. If only one just like this and this color would appear in Northern Nevada! This machine is a workhorse and will do the job you want for many years. You can have stainless panels cut to fit IIRC and they install very easily. Very nice find!

RCD


Post# 675931 , Reply# 9   4/27/2013 at 23:20 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
ISE = KitchenAid!

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I have a Classic Supreme that's almost identical.  These are all re-badged KitchenAid dishwashers and while they weren't made by Hobart, they still remain true to Hobart's design although beginning with your model, Whirlpool hopped them up with their power module pump.  Many here say this combination of Hobart and Whirlpool technology produced one of the best vintage KitchenAid dishwashers a person can own.  I'm quite happy with mine, even though it pre-dates the power module pump.

 

Don't think twice.  Grab that machine and install it!  Based on it's virtually new condition, it will give you many years of reliable service.

 

Stainless panels are available.  Shop around.  I got mine from Sears parts and they ran close to $100.  I've since learned that they can be found for less, but can't recall exactly where.

 

Here's a shot of mine.




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Post# 675943 , Reply# 10   4/27/2013 at 23:48 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()        

Wow that looks beautiful with the stainless it looks real modern and commercial at the same time. How hard to install? Do you think sears has more or very rare?

Post# 675966 , Reply# 11   4/28/2013 at 01:11 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Stainless Steel Panels

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They are a cinch to install, particularly if the dishwasher itself hasn't been installed under the counter yet.

 

I'm pretty sure Sears still has the panels, but check around, or use the "Searchalator" here and see what you can find in recent posts.  I think it wasn't all that long ago that there was a discussion about KitchenAid dishwashers and stainless panels, and that might be where I saw them cheaper.

 

You'll never find them using an ISE model number.  Use KitchenAid model KUDS21 instead, which is for a machine that takes the exact same panels.   If you need help locating a set, let me know.

 

You'll notice the door will be considerably heavier with the stainless panels installed.  You can either remove the other colored panels that are back there, or just use care when lowering the door.  As far as I know, the door springs can't be adjusted.

 

Just FYI, Emerson Electric spent $250K to come up with a latching system different from KitchenAid.  This was part of the agreement to allow Emerson to put the ISE badge on KitchenAid machines.  ISE's were priced lower than KitchenAids and therefore Whirlpool didn't want the two brands to look exactly the same.  It's a judgement call about which mechanism is more appealing.  When in the locked position, I prefer KitchenAid, but when unlocked, I prefer the look of the ISE.




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Post# 675968 , Reply# 12   4/28/2013 at 01:26 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
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I did a little poking around after making my post directly above.

 

This eBay seller has been listing panels recently.  I read that he had 25 sets to sell.  If they fit on a KA series 20 (KD-20), they'll fit on your machine without any modifications.

 

You may want to consider bidding on this set:



CLICK HERE TO GO TO rp2813's LINK on eBay

Post# 675991 , Reply# 13   4/28/2013 at 05:24 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()        

thank you so much $79 is definently worth it to have it look like yours...looks better then new ones and probably cleans alot better too!

Post# 675997 , Reply# 14   4/28/2013 at 05:45 (3,987 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Those will work.

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I have a 21 Series and purchased those exact panels for mine and they fit perfectly. I bought mine through one of those on line houses like appliance zone for about the same price as the eBay listing above.

The are very easy to install. All you need is a screwdriver.


Post# 676003 , Reply# 15   4/28/2013 at 06:25 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()        

How is this washer compared to the 18 series everyone loves?

Post# 676006 , Reply# 16   4/28/2013 at 06:53 (3,987 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
From what I'm told a hell of a lot quieter!!

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Everyone has their preference and at the end of the day what matters is are the dishes clean when the machine is finished. In both the 18 and 21 they will be clean and done quickly compared to newer machines. These machines that take 1 1/2 plus hours to wash a load may do a pretty good job and may save a little energy but holy cow you could do two loads in this machine in the same amount of time as some of these newer machines. The only advantage to the newer Tall Tub machines is you may have a little more flexibility in loading but I'm good with the 21 in that category as well.

I don't think you would be unhappy with this machine.


Post# 676031 , Reply# 17   4/28/2013 at 10:53 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()        

I think this is the 23 I'm not sure though

Post# 676056 , Reply# 18   4/28/2013 at 12:36 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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It looks like a 23 clone to me, which I didn't notice at first glance and as a result edited my replies above.  The filter assembly in the sump indicates the power module design, which first appeared on the 23 series.

 

So Ralph, what's the deal with the eBay panels?  Do they end up going for about the same amount as the BIN price if someone chooses to bid on them instead, or is it simply worth it to go with the BIN option to be sure you won't be outbid?


Post# 676060 , Reply# 19   4/28/2013 at 12:57 (3,987 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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If you can bid the cheaper price and win, then that's what you pay. The BIN price just assures you don't lose it in a bidding war. I'm not sure if the bidding war took it past the BIN price, would the person who hit the BIN number just automatically win it or what...

RCD


Post# 676167 , Reply# 20   4/29/2013 at 00:38 (3,986 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I think that once the bidding starts, there's a chance it can go higher than the BIN.  I'm not an eBay expert though, and have no sense for any bidding strategies that may exist.  I agree that it's possible the item could be won for considerably less than the BIN price, but have found that quite often nobody starts bidding until the last day or so.

 

If I were in the market for panels, I'd put this on my "Watch List" and see what happens as the auction winds down.  I'm going to watch this one to see how it goes, and to be alerted when/if the item doesn't sell and is re-listed.


Post# 676192 , Reply# 21   4/29/2013 at 07:02 (3,986 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
ALMOST NEW ISE DW

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Great find this is not only a great performing DW that you should be able to keep it running for the next 20 years or more depending on how much you use it.

 

If after installing the SS door panels the door feels heavier the door springs are adjustable on these DWs by moving the lower attachment point for the DSs up for less or down for more tension. You can also buy Heavy Duty DSs for these DWs if you want to install heavy custom panels.


Post# 676264 , Reply# 22   4/29/2013 at 15:50 (3,985 days old) by insinkerator ()        

thanks combo...do this actually use less water...searched and havent seen any similar "ws" models

Post# 676283 , Reply# 23   4/29/2013 at 18:17 (3,985 days old) by washer111 ()        
Water Usage

Following the KitchenAid 20 or 21 series, the amount of rinsing this machine did was cut back rather drastically. Perhaps 2-3 rinses in total for a complete cycle.

 

On this machine, I think the progression is the following (You can always check manuals for the equivalent KA machine through KA's website. The model is KUDS22/23): This it the Normal cycle. Soak/Scrub has an Extra Pre-Wash/Rinse phase

Pre-Wash (Heating Delay, 140ºF) -> Main-Wash (Heating element energised on LOW power) -> Purge -> Rinse (Heating 140ºF?)

 

It has been noted here the Purge rinse cleans the filter. Problem is, the final rinse isn't enough and will end up causing the vinyl/nylon cushion from the racks to come off, causing rust issues. Some members chuck in the extra water, or adjust the fill valve to get an extra full rinse. Someone else can advise you on that matter...


Post# 676327 , Reply# 24   4/29/2013 at 23:36 (3,985 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I'm pretty sure the last models to have a heating delay were series 20. 

 

Here's how it goes with my Classic Supreme, which is a KA series 22 clone, on the "Normal" cycle:

 

Pre-wash/Purge/Rinse/Main Wash/Purge/Rinse/Dry

 

The only difference when set for "Pots/Pans" is an extra rinse between the pre-wash and purge.

 

The ISE machines do not offer a "Soak & Scrub" option or a "Sani-Rinse."  I think those can only be found on a KitchenAid Superba.

 

I had a KUDI-21 for 18 years and never had any rust issues due to a single final rinse. 


Post# 676338 , Reply# 25   4/30/2013 at 00:00 (3,985 days old) by washer111 ()        

Odd that you haven't had the rust issues others on here have described. But I do know (via KA literature posted here, advertising 23 series machines) they still had "Sure-Temp" in the 23 series. Although, I think you could turn it off on the Selectra models, to save time if you already had piping hot water to boot. 

 

Although, after the 20 series, they may have ditched the "Fill, stop:heat to 140º and Circulate" idea, replacing it with "Fill, Circulate AND Heat to 140º, pausing the timer." Again, I'm not entirely sure, but thats what I've gathered from digging through the archives recently, after being curious regarding the rinses and water heating delays


Post# 676392 , Reply# 26   4/30/2013 at 08:00 (3,985 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I'm pretty sure the last models to have a heating delay were series 20.
My KUDS22 has water heating delays on Soak/Scrub and Normal, and of course Sani Rinse (although the rinse heating is timed).

Soak/Scrub has three heating delays. The first soak/scrub phase heats twice to 140°F. The 2nd (prewash) also heats to 140°F.

Normal heats the prewash to 140°F.


Post# 676878 , Reply# 27   5/2/2013 at 18:20 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()        

Picked her up yesterday...this machine is in unreal condition the owner said hes lucky if he used it 5 times... heres some pics

Post# 676879 , Reply# 28   5/2/2013 at 18:22 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()        
clean

clean

Post# 676880 , Reply# 29   5/2/2013 at 18:23 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()        
clean

clean

Post# 676893 , Reply# 30   5/2/2013 at 19:14 (3,982 days old) by washer111 ()        
This is:

Remarkable, Exceptional, Astounding!

 

You've got yourself a real low-mileage machine there, for low price too? This is as good as it gets. Hope you get many happy loads of dishes from this perky (Good Looker) ISE Classic Supreme. Don't be afraid to throw some soils in: This thing has self-cleaning filters and at least a soft-food grinder (Or hard-food: I can't remember what the PowerClean modules used)


Post# 676900 , Reply# 31   5/2/2013 at 19:49 (3,982 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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First order of business before installing is to dump some hot water into the sump area to check for leaks.  While leaks are unlikely since this machine is virtually brand new, it has sat idle so much of the time that the seal could need the hot water treatment to soften it up.

 

When cleaning the exterior, be careful with the selector buttons.  The blue and gray paint comes off of them rather easily.


Post# 676904 , Reply# 32   5/2/2013 at 20:58 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()        

thanks for the advice...they are so solid...seems alot more sturdy then my kitchenaid i bought last year

Post# 676905 , Reply# 33   5/2/2013 at 21:09 (3,982 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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You should get at least 20 years of trouble-free service from this machine.

 

I noticed the set of stainless panels on eBay went for the opening price of 29.95.  Did you win them?  That was a steal for whomever did.


Post# 676916 , Reply# 34   5/2/2013 at 22:20 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()        

I saw that that was a steal I hope more go up I'm going to order them for sure

Post# 676959 , Reply# 35   5/3/2013 at 06:03 (3,982 days old) by recyclewasher ()        
Now that's the Spirit..

When you contact the Seller you can simply ask her if she has any more and she will
Tell you how much she has remaining.

She was very pleasant to deal with, and she had actually used the final bidding war price in the 2nd auction for the BIN in all the following auctions, the 1st auction finished a couple dollars more in fact.

If I get a chance today I could postup the KA assembly instructions that come in the package with the 2 panels she sent me.


Post# 676996 , Reply# 36   5/3/2013 at 10:21 (3,982 days old) by recyclewasher ()        
page 1 of 2

KA panel.
had to reduce the size of the scan 'cause the original exceeded the limits set


Post# 676997 , Reply# 37   5/3/2013 at 10:23 (3,982 days old) by recyclewasher ()        
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KA scan.

Hope this helps


Post# 676998 , Reply# 38   5/3/2013 at 10:32 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()        

Thanks.. Looks real simple how much did you get them for

Post# 677036 , Reply# 39   5/3/2013 at 11:57 (3,982 days old) by recyclewasher ()        
see post above 676959

1st bidding war vet

sometimes being first on Ebay can Bite you when AFTER the auction you find out there are LOTS more where that came from, so I decided to share...a couple other members got a good deal too, they are just being shy..LOL

maybe a LOT later i may bid on a spare to keep just in case a KDS-18 pops up, it's not a priority right now as I'm still fine tuning the KDS-19


Post# 677043 , Reply# 40   5/3/2013 at 12:08 (3,982 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Yeah, the most annoying part of changing the inserts is getting the lower panel back on the machine.  It has to fit correctly on top and even when you think you have it right, it will often end up being loose.  You can spend half an hour trying, or you can get it right on the first try.  No rhyme or reason to it, even with instructions.


Post# 677092 , Reply# 41   5/3/2013 at 18:11 (3,981 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Sure-Temp

That is a 23 series clone ISE machine with the Power Module pump in it. It should also have the sure temp heating system in it wwhich WILL delay the timer advance during the main wash until the water reaches approx 140 degrees. I just picked up a KA KUDJ230 series and it DOES interrupt the timer to heat the water. A nice feature but sadly it doesnt heat the rinse water much at all. The drying in this machine definitely need a rinse agent but you can't beat the really powerful washing a 1/2 hp pump provides. I don't see much of a difference in the cleaning betwqeen the WP and KA pump designs so you will really like the results you get from yours.

There should be two thermostats mounted to the bottom of the tank on the left side. These are the delay thermostat and the thermal protector so the water temp doesnt get too hot.

Can't wait till you throw a big load of filthy dishes in and see what this baby can do!


Post# 677105 , Reply# 42   5/3/2013 at 19:50 (3,981 days old) by insinkerator ()        

how do you like your machine steve?

Post# 677168 , Reply# 43   5/4/2013 at 08:43 (3,981 days old) by insinkerator ()        

would these panels fit? the lady said they wouldnt fit the kd23 but also didnt know about insinkerator products ...any ideas?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KitchenAid-Dishw...


Post# 677179 , Reply# 44   5/4/2013 at 10:02 (3,981 days old) by Stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Two different sizes!

Those panels fit all the "standard" sized doors from the 18 thru the 23 series. She most likely has the 23 Architect series which had a shorter door panel because the control panel was larger. It was designed to be the same size as the drawers of the cabinets so the machine would integrate into the cabinet lines better. If you can get them for close to the opening bid, it would be a good score. I have a feeling that she probably put a reserve on it so if she doesn't get someone to buy it now at 79.95, she can relist it and not have to give it to the top bidder.

If you can, check the home improvement stores in your area.Sometimes they have stainless sheeting that can be cut to fit for you. Just take one of the panels with you from the top and bottom and they can fix you up. Just make sure that they cut the panels with the grain going in the direction you want it to go, either vertically or horizontally.

You can also check the yellow pages for metal fabricators that do commercial kitchen work.They use stainless sheeting all the time and may have some smaller pieces they can sell you for a good price. Again, watch the grain!

BTW, the panels are easily removed from the frames if you simply take out the screws on one side of the frame. The panels will slip right out. You don't need to remove the door panel from the machine.


Post# 677182 , Reply# 45   5/4/2013 at 10:23 (3,981 days old) by Stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
How do I like my machine?

Chris,
While I much prefer a Superba model to any of the lower level products, I always did like this machine as our first dual level washarm Kitchenaid was a KDC21D which was a Custom model with all the features of the higher level units, which included the adjustable upper rack with the flex-o-dividers which folded down to allow more flexible loading of the top rack. This particular machine lacks the flex-o-dividers and it is less convenient for our needs and what we are used to. But I always felt that it was a fantastic cleaner whether it had the Hobart pump or the WP pump. I still say that Hobart had the best idea for eating up foodstuffs with the disposer in the pump. I have seen Powermodule machines that managed to grind stuff down but not eject it all out the drain and eventually, caused a blockage in the pump that prevented the machine from draining. It has happened repeatedly to one of my cousins on his KUDS25 machine as well as his own son's Whirlpool machine. Once they disassembled the innards and found the debris, they cleaned it out and it worked fine again.

One thing I notice on this machine, though is that the upper rack also hangs lower than my other spare machines and it hits the dinner plates in the lower rack. I have to adjust the rack all the way up to clear them and then the taller glasses hit the top of the tank and it limits the ize of the bowls and plasticware I can load on top.
I suspect that the support rollers may be worn but haven't checked them yet. I will do that later and report back.

I like the positive heating on it which didn't come about until WP made the engineering change. On the 21 Custom, you could only get so much of a temp increase during the washes so if your water was cooler or there was more water in the tank than normal (I used to remove the flow valve to make the purges into short rinses). This machine will guarantee 140 water regardless of water level.

I would have to say that if I had come upon this machine 3 years ago, I would still have my Kitchenaid tall tub in the box in the garage as it is in good condition and is white on white like my other kitchen appliances.My wife still complains about the racking in the tall tub. She has only known the classic Kitchenaid style racking layout and has complained about the new machine since I installed it. Don't get me worng,the tall tub is a great cleaner as well, but who wants a cycle that takes over 2 hours at times to do the dishes?

You will love your machine and like John said, with reasonable care, you will get years of service out of it. You may want to try to stockpile some spares for it as the parts are basically obsolete.

Hope that answers your question.


Post# 677200 , Reply# 46   5/4/2013 at 12:50 (3,981 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Just to clarify, the last set of panels from that eBay seller went for the opening price with no reserve. 

 

I didn't notice that the top rack isn't adjustable on the ISE.  You can switch it out with an adjustable type if you find a good one on a machine of similar vintage.

 

Here's a shot of my Classic Supreme with top rack switched out from a KDS-20 (blue door gasket is off the KDS-20 as well -- it was in cleaner shape than the white one originally on the ISE):


Post# 705543 , Reply# 47   9/26/2013 at 20:55 (3,835 days old) by mblomgren ()        

Hi,
I am new to this site, and saw your pics on the insinkerator dishwasher.
Did you take this machine and install it in your home yet?
I would be interested in this dishwasher. Looks like new




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