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Brand new Insinkerator Classic Supreme WS |
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Post# 675883 , Reply# 1   4/27/2013 at 20:26 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Post# 675884 , Reply# 2   4/27/2013 at 20:27 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Post# 675885 , Reply# 3   4/27/2013 at 20:29 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Post# 675886 , Reply# 4   4/27/2013 at 20:29 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Post# 675887 , Reply# 5   4/27/2013 at 20:30 (3,987 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Heck no...its GREAT, I would say NOTHING built today would even come close to this!! |
Post# 675897 , Reply# 7   4/27/2013 at 21:11 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Also is there anywhere to get stainless steel panels for it still? |
Post# 675904 , Reply# 8   4/27/2013 at 21:38 (3,987 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 675931 , Reply# 9   4/27/2013 at 23:20 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I have a Classic Supreme that's almost identical. These are all re-badged KitchenAid dishwashers and while they weren't made by Hobart, they still remain true to Hobart's design although beginning with your model, Whirlpool hopped them up with their power module pump. Many here say this combination of Hobart and Whirlpool technology produced one of the best vintage KitchenAid dishwashers a person can own. I'm quite happy with mine, even though it pre-dates the power module pump.
Don't think twice. Grab that machine and install it! Based on it's virtually new condition, it will give you many years of reliable service.
Stainless panels are available. Shop around. I got mine from Sears parts and they ran close to $100. I've since learned that they can be found for less, but can't recall exactly where.
Here's a shot of mine. This post was last edited 04/28/2013 at 02:10 |
Post# 675943 , Reply# 10   4/27/2013 at 23:48 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Wow that looks beautiful with the stainless it looks real modern and commercial at the same time. How hard to install? Do you think sears has more or very rare? |
Post# 675966 , Reply# 11   4/28/2013 at 01:11 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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They are a cinch to install, particularly if the dishwasher itself hasn't been installed under the counter yet.
I'm pretty sure Sears still has the panels, but check around, or use the "Searchalator" here and see what you can find in recent posts. I think it wasn't all that long ago that there was a discussion about KitchenAid dishwashers and stainless panels, and that might be where I saw them cheaper.
You'll never find them using an ISE model number. Use KitchenAid model KUDS21 instead, which is for a machine that takes the exact same panels. If you need help locating a set, let me know.
You'll notice the door will be considerably heavier with the stainless panels installed. You can either remove the other colored panels that are back there, or just use care when lowering the door. As far as I know, the door springs can't be adjusted.
Just FYI, Emerson Electric spent $250K to come up with a latching system different from KitchenAid. This was part of the agreement to allow Emerson to put the ISE badge on KitchenAid machines. ISE's were priced lower than KitchenAids and therefore Whirlpool didn't want the two brands to look exactly the same. It's a judgement call about which mechanism is more appealing. When in the locked position, I prefer KitchenAid, but when unlocked, I prefer the look of the ISE. This post was last edited 04/28/2013 at 02:12 |
Post# 675968 , Reply# 12   4/28/2013 at 01:26 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I did a little poking around after making my post directly above.
This eBay seller has been listing panels recently. I read that he had 25 sets to sell. If they fit on a KA series 20 (KD-20), they'll fit on your machine without any modifications.
You may want to consider bidding on this set: CLICK HERE TO GO TO rp2813's LINK on eBay |
Post# 675991 , Reply# 13   4/28/2013 at 05:24 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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thank you so much $79 is definently worth it to have it look like yours...looks better then new ones and probably cleans alot better too! |
Post# 675997 , Reply# 14   4/28/2013 at 05:45 (3,987 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 676003 , Reply# 15   4/28/2013 at 06:25 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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How is this washer compared to the 18 series everyone loves? |
Post# 676006 , Reply# 16   4/28/2013 at 06:53 (3,987 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Everyone has their preference and at the end of the day what matters is are the dishes clean when the machine is finished. In both the 18 and 21 they will be clean and done quickly compared to newer machines. These machines that take 1 1/2 plus hours to wash a load may do a pretty good job and may save a little energy but holy cow you could do two loads in this machine in the same amount of time as some of these newer machines. The only advantage to the newer Tall Tub machines is you may have a little more flexibility in loading but I'm good with the 21 in that category as well.
I don't think you would be unhappy with this machine. |
Post# 676031 , Reply# 17   4/28/2013 at 10:53 (3,987 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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I think this is the 23 I'm not sure though |
Post# 676056 , Reply# 18   4/28/2013 at 12:36 (3,987 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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It looks like a 23 clone to me, which I didn't notice at first glance and as a result edited my replies above. The filter assembly in the sump indicates the power module design, which first appeared on the 23 series.
So Ralph, what's the deal with the eBay panels? Do they end up going for about the same amount as the BIN price if someone chooses to bid on them instead, or is it simply worth it to go with the BIN option to be sure you won't be outbid? |
Post# 676060 , Reply# 19   4/28/2013 at 12:57 (3,987 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 676167 , Reply# 20   4/29/2013 at 00:38 (3,986 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I think that once the bidding starts, there's a chance it can go higher than the BIN. I'm not an eBay expert though, and have no sense for any bidding strategies that may exist. I agree that it's possible the item could be won for considerably less than the BIN price, but have found that quite often nobody starts bidding until the last day or so.
If I were in the market for panels, I'd put this on my "Watch List" and see what happens as the auction winds down. I'm going to watch this one to see how it goes, and to be alerted when/if the item doesn't sell and is re-listed. |
Post# 676192 , Reply# 21   4/29/2013 at 07:02 (3,986 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Great find this is not only a great performing DW that you should be able to keep it running for the next 20 years or more depending on how much you use it.
If after installing the SS door panels the door feels heavier the door springs are adjustable on these DWs by moving the lower attachment point for the DSs up for less or down for more tension. You can also buy Heavy Duty DSs for these DWs if you want to install heavy custom panels. |
Post# 676264 , Reply# 22   4/29/2013 at 15:50 (3,985 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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thanks combo...do this actually use less water...searched and havent seen any similar "ws" models |
Post# 676327 , Reply# 24   4/29/2013 at 23:36 (3,985 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I'm pretty sure the last models to have a heating delay were series 20.
Here's how it goes with my Classic Supreme, which is a KA series 22 clone, on the "Normal" cycle:
Pre-wash/Purge/Rinse/Main Wash/Purge/Rinse/Dry
The only difference when set for "Pots/Pans" is an extra rinse between the pre-wash and purge.
The ISE machines do not offer a "Soak & Scrub" option or a "Sani-Rinse." I think those can only be found on a KitchenAid Superba.
I had a KUDI-21 for 18 years and never had any rust issues due to a single final rinse. |
Post# 676392 , Reply# 26   4/30/2013 at 08:00 (3,985 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I'm pretty sure the last models to have a heating delay were series 20.My KUDS22 has water heating delays on Soak/Scrub and Normal, and of course Sani Rinse (although the rinse heating is timed). Soak/Scrub has three heating delays. The first soak/scrub phase heats twice to 140°F. The 2nd (prewash) also heats to 140°F. Normal heats the prewash to 140°F. |
Post# 676878 , Reply# 27   5/2/2013 at 18:20 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Picked her up yesterday...this machine is in unreal condition the owner said hes lucky if he used it 5 times... heres some pics |
Post# 676879 , Reply# 28   5/2/2013 at 18:22 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Post# 676880 , Reply# 29   5/2/2013 at 18:23 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Post# 676900 , Reply# 31   5/2/2013 at 19:49 (3,982 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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First order of business before installing is to dump some hot water into the sump area to check for leaks. While leaks are unlikely since this machine is virtually brand new, it has sat idle so much of the time that the seal could need the hot water treatment to soften it up.
When cleaning the exterior, be careful with the selector buttons. The blue and gray paint comes off of them rather easily. |
Post# 676904 , Reply# 32   5/2/2013 at 20:58 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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thanks for the advice...they are so solid...seems alot more sturdy then my kitchenaid i bought last year |
Post# 676905 , Reply# 33   5/2/2013 at 21:09 (3,982 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 676916 , Reply# 34   5/2/2013 at 22:20 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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I saw that that was a steal I hope more go up I'm going to order them for sure |
Post# 676996 , Reply# 36   5/3/2013 at 10:21 (3,982 days old) by recyclewasher ()   |   | |
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KA panel. had to reduce the size of the scan 'cause the original exceeded the limits set |
Post# 676997 , Reply# 37   5/3/2013 at 10:23 (3,982 days old) by recyclewasher ()   |   | |
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KA scan. Hope this helps |
Post# 676998 , Reply# 38   5/3/2013 at 10:32 (3,982 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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Thanks.. Looks real simple how much did you get them for |
Post# 677043 , Reply# 40   5/3/2013 at 12:08 (3,982 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Yeah, the most annoying part of changing the inserts is getting the lower panel back on the machine. It has to fit correctly on top and even when you think you have it right, it will often end up being loose. You can spend half an hour trying, or you can get it right on the first try. No rhyme or reason to it, even with instructions. |
Post# 677105 , Reply# 42   5/3/2013 at 19:50 (3,981 days old) by insinkerator ()   |   | |
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how do you like your machine steve? |
Post# 677200 , Reply# 46   5/4/2013 at 12:50 (3,981 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Just to clarify, the last set of panels from that eBay seller went for the opening price with no reserve.
I didn't notice that the top rack isn't adjustable on the ISE. You can switch it out with an adjustable type if you find a good one on a machine of similar vintage.
Here's a shot of my Classic Supreme with top rack switched out from a KDS-20 (blue door gasket is off the KDS-20 as well -- it was in cleaner shape than the white one originally on the ISE): |