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the old GE :Replacing A Transmission
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Post# 103893   1/15/2006 at 15:02 (6,674 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        

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Ok - So the good news is that the whole thing works - motor, pump, timer and such - havent tested the inlet solenoids but have no reason to believe they are bad. The Bad news is that the transmission is Shot - Just pooped out really - It DOES agitate and spin but very weakly and cannot get up to speed. I was so looking forward to the Ker Klunk but is was just a slight bang when it finished. The pump works great - good recirculation and drainage but the spin and wash are no good - if i had clothes in there it wouldn't have done anything. It does change speeds when its supposed to though.

SO... my question to all of you experienced washer repairmen is - HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO CHANGE A GE TRANSMISSION?

I think they are still available but Im not sure - please give me your advice - anyone...

THANKS!
Matthew





Post# 103895 , Reply# 1   1/15/2006 at 15:11 (6,674 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
Of all Machines....

Of all machines with tranny problems, the GE is one of the easiest to replace. I would also replace the tub boot since you will have to break the machine completely down anyway but it's not a hard job at all. I usually take Sno-Bowl and clean the outter tub too and fix any rust spots with JB weld. When you're done, you'll have a like new machine! Mark

Post# 103900 , Reply# 2   1/15/2006 at 15:20 (6,674 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Transmisson Problems:

Is it possible that it might be the Clutch or Belt needing Repair/Replacement, instead of the Transmission? It might save you a lot of Money checking out everything before going out and making some unnecessary Parts Purchases and then finding out that it was something else instead of what you thought it might be wrong.

I admit that I'm not always right, but I'm just thinking about your wanting to get this operating again, but to not spend Money on possibly wrong Parts.

Good Luck with locating the Mini-Basket and Agitator Mounted Detergent Dispenser.

Peace and Happy GE Washing, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 103908 , Reply# 3   1/15/2006 at 15:44 (6,674 days old) by westytoploader ()        

I'm with Steve...a weak spin and/or agitation could be a clutch problem, or the result of the belt not being tight enough.

When I find a viable replacement, I'm going to dive into the Dispensall one of these days and change the tranny out (case is badly corroded and spin mount is not lining up properly with the tub, resulting in an off-center spin). Not sure about the difficulty, but it doesn't look as complicated as, let's say, a BD Kenmore! I recommend you pick up the GE brand repair manual from 1990; the procedures are very detailed and will guide you through EVERY step!

Good luck and keep us posted!

--Austin


Post# 103913 , Reply# 4   1/15/2006 at 15:48 (6,674 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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I've never done one,but it doesn't look to be too difficult.The trans itself may be a little costly.

kennyGF


Post# 103915 , Reply# 5   1/15/2006 at 15:55 (6,674 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Brilliant!

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How do I check if the belt is worn out or loose? - Thats exactly what is seems like - because it does do everything as and when its supposed to including shifting speeds from slow to fast. And this sounds like it could be it! THANKS! If its the clutch how do I tell?

Post# 103917 , Reply# 6   1/15/2006 at 15:59 (6,674 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Regarding the tranny...don't get one from RepairClinic as you'll pay a fortune. Search for a good used large-capacity FF that someone is giving away for free and pull the tranny from it. Sooner or later you'll find one...I've been looking relentlessly and have found a promising mid-1990's machine on Craigslist with a bad clutch located near me.

Post# 103937 , Reply# 7   1/15/2006 at 17:56 (6,674 days old) by gregm ()        
calling JP aka coldspot66

John, your two cents would be valuable I think here ... (grin)

Post# 103961 , Reply# 8   1/15/2006 at 18:35 (6,674 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area)        

Matthew, the belt should be fairly tight, with only about a half inch deflection on it. The belts on GE's are pretty durable and easy to change and tighten. Try tightening it first by losening the three bolts on the motor mount. I think they are 7/16inch bolts. It could also be the clutch, but usually when they are bad they get quite noisy. Is it slow on both agitate and spin? If so, its most likely the belt. Also, GE's dont spin well when the tranny is cold. They wont get up to speed as the oil gets very thick. Dont ever try and spin a GE below about 45degrees or one that has been out in the cold until it warms up. Hope that helps you out...........

Post# 103971 , Reply# 9   1/15/2006 at 19:23 (6,674 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Belt Tension:

Hi! Matthew, "GEExtraRinse" if the Belt is slipping, you might need to loosen the Motor Bracket and slide it to tighten the Belt somewhat. I'm not an expert on the Tension Specs on a GE/Hotpoint Washer, but on a WP/Kenmore, it is approx 1/2 inch from center/neutral to either side pull/push of the Belt. If the Belt looks like it has some wear to it or if it is looking like it is shredding on the outside parts or even on the inside, it would definately be time to replace the Belt.

You might just want to replace the Belt anyway, since it wouldn't be that much of an expense and it would prevent wear or breakage later on and then having to replacing the Belt later on then.

Hopefully someone else might be able to advise you more detailed about this matter of Belt Tension. If it does seem to be Shifting properly, I would think that it is more likely the Belt and not the Clutch. "A Piece of Advise" about the Clutch, please make sure that you don't switch from Normal to Slow Agitate or Spin, with the Washer operating. That "will" cause damage to the Clutch for sure, but if you stop the Washer in any given Cycle first, it won't cause any damage to the Clutch.

Good Luck and Happy GE Washing, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 103972 , Reply# 10   1/15/2006 at 19:26 (6,674 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Repair Book:

"OOPS" I forgot to mention to you Matthew, if you don't have a GE Repair Manual and if no one else can offer you one, I've got one that I will let you have for Shipping Cost. Please E-Mail me at: SactoTeddyBear@aol.com and let me know if you might need a Manual.

Peace and Good Luck with Repair's of your new find, Steve


Post# 103989 , Reply# 11   1/15/2006 at 21:41 (6,674 days old) by speedqueengkc ()        
transmissions

The transmission isn't hard to work on, they are getting harder to find. You have to be on the look out for GE and Hotpoint washers from the late 80's.

Post# 103993 , Reply# 12   1/15/2006 at 22:01 (6,674 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I wouldn't mess with the motor mount until I was absolutely sure that it was the motor position that is causing the belt to slip.

Again, transmission replacement is a piece of cake on a GE -- that is once you get the agitator off and the tub bolts removed. Anyone can do it. I had 6 of them in my laundromat. Never had to mess with the motor or the clutch; it was always the transmission leaking oil BADLY.

Remove the back panel and crank the machine up. You will be able to tell in fairly short order where the slippage is occuring. The motor spins at a constant speed, so either the clutch is not turning at motor speed, the belt is slipping on the clutch, and/or the belt is slipping on the transmission drive pulley. Oil leaking from the transmission may be causing the slipping. A bad clutch may be causing the slipping. Water dripping from the pump may be causing the slipping.


Post# 103994 , Reply# 13   1/15/2006 at 22:02 (6,674 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I wouldn't mess with the motor mount until I was absolutely sure that it was the motor position that is causing the belt to slip.

Again, transmission replacement is a piece of cake on a GE -- that is once you get the agitator off and the tub bolts removed. Anyone can do it. I had 6 of them in my laundromat. Never had to mess with the motor or the clutch; it was always the transmission leaking oil BADLY.

Remove the back panel and crank the machine up. You will be able to tell in fairly short order where the slippage is occuring. The motor spins at a constant speed, so either the clutch is not turning at motor speed, the belt is slipping on the clutch, and/or the belt is slipping on the transmission drive pulley. Oil leaking from the transmission may be causing the slipping. A bad clutch may be causing the slipping. Water dripping from the pump may be causing the slipping.


Post# 103995 , Reply# 14   1/15/2006 at 22:03 (6,674 days old) by speedqueengkc ()        
the clutch,

You migth have to take the clutch apart and carefully clean the posts and check the main bearing. Check the shoes and drum. There is an inner and outer drum. I use turbin oil and a bearing puller to pull the outer drum off. If the washer agitates and spins at the same time then it is the transmission that needs replacing. They used to make bearing replacement kits for the clutch. I am sure you can find aftermarket parts.

Post# 104117 , Reply# 15   1/16/2006 at 19:16 (6,673 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Just the belt!

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I took a good look while testing it again today and it is indeed the belt - everything else works fine and pretty quietly too!

The belt on further inspection is worn, frayed annd pretty loose and it doesn't have the torque nevessary to really work at full speed so it sort of slowly moves along. I'll get a new belt and keep you all posted...

Thanks so much for your suggestions!

Matthew


Post# 104146 , Reply# 16   1/16/2006 at 21:52 (6,673 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Just fyi....generally when a GE filter flo transmission goes, you will notice the washtub moving while the machine is agitating instead of being in its usual locked position....that is a sure sign that the transmission is shot. GE washtubs do not move while the machine is agitating, unlike some Westinghouse models. A weak agitation stroke or slow spin is usually an indication of a loose belt or a damaged clutch. But the transmission is a snap to change, you just have to break down the machine, but it is not hard to do at all. I believe Sears still sells the repair manuals for those machines in their parts centers. Hope this helps......

Post# 104160 , Reply# 17   1/16/2006 at 23:08 (6,673 days old) by fixerman ()        

They are a snap to change if:
The three tub bolts come out without breaking and the agitator is not frozen to the shaft.


Post# 104181 , Reply# 18   1/17/2006 at 06:57 (6,673 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Said: The trans itself may be a little costly.

-I heard about $100, but I did not check this factoid.
Will do the same to mine a the tub brake has snappped.


Post# 104204 , Reply# 19   1/17/2006 at 09:12 (6,673 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Call around to different parts stores. Some places will give you a credit if you return the bad transmission to them to be rebuilt. Last time I replaced one, it was about $60 with the returned bad one.

Post# 104231 , Reply# 20   1/17/2006 at 12:40 (6,672 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Thanks Peter--there's a thought!! Will have to consider this for the Dispensall...better than spending $200 on RepairClinic or finding a tranny from a parts machine only to have it dump oil on the floor shortly after reinstallation (which is just my luck!).

Post# 104274 , Reply# 21   1/17/2006 at 18:04 (6,672 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Thanks Guys!~

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You all have been very helpful not only to me but to everyone else!

I changed the belt today and the machine runs like new! Its great and I washed 4 loads today!

Now for the next problem - and hopefully the last...

How Do I fix the seal on the outer tub around the top cover? - It leaks when the spin starts and the water is gushing up and over into the inner tub. I cannot see any wear in the exact location where it leaks but I can see underneath from the back when it spins where the water just bubbles right over the top and runs down the inlet hose and all over the floor. Should I consider replacing this and is there a temporary fix so I can still use it? (Aside from the wet towel onthe floor?) I'm having so much fun with it!

Any suggestions are greatly welcome as you've all helped me so much!

Thanks!
Matt


Post# 104279 , Reply# 22   1/17/2006 at 18:11 (6,672 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Raise the top using a narrow putty knife to release the two clips...after the top is raised, you should be able to just pull the seal right off. I'd say replacement is good as it's probably hardened with age (mine has)...new ones are still available on RepairClinic. Be sure to check for rust under the seal as well on the outer tub rim.

When installing the new seal, it's probably a good idea to use some blue RTV silicone on the tub rim to ensure a good seal. Wait 24 hours for it to "cure" and that's it!

Hope this helps...

--Austin


Post# 104283 , Reply# 23   1/17/2006 at 18:32 (6,672 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Thanks Austin!

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I appreciate it! - You're knowledge is very helpful!

Matthew


Post# 104320 , Reply# 24   1/17/2006 at 20:56 (6,672 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Matthew, it's good to see you love your GE. I always write about my grandmother and her 1961 Maytag washer. Well, she worked for GE for 30 years in the Syracuse plant and when she retired, she was awarded a gift certificate for any GE product. This was 1978, and she chose to get a matching GE washer and dryer. They were harvest gold, and the washer had a super filter-flo pan, the straight-vaned blue activator, mini-baket and everything your machine has, only hers had three wash/spin speeds on a single toggle, and only three toggles. I was always amazed at how fast the tub would accelerate with a full tub of water and clothes, come splashing over the inner tub, and then the "knock, knock" of the clutch shoes kicking into high speed. Then the sharp clunk as the spin brake dropped. Your model has the reliable style of timer. Grandmother's had the new, replaceable component style timer, and it gave non-stop trouble. When the timer started to act up, it would skip over portions of a cycle, the timer motor would move but no electrical conductivity whatsoever. I used to think that GE washers were junk, and I resented that she put the old Maytag aside. Now I realize that they were decent machines, miles better than the junk of today. The old Maytag eventually went back into use, and the GE sat timerless and unused for a couple years, until I got bored one day and tore the timer apart, put in new clutch shoes, and hooked it up as the auxilliary washer. (running out of space, to be cont.)

Post# 104323 , Reply# 25   1/17/2006 at 21:11 (6,672 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

(from prev)
It really was a good washer, effective agitation and spin. The Perm Press cycle is just an earlier, extended spray rinse with shorter spins. Not as effective as the drain and fill, but more thrifty with water. I thought the mini-basket was a great idea. Do you have the big bowl fabric softener dispenser that sits on the filter-flo pan? Works great. They handle unbalanced loads extremely well, and always get up to speed. Be very careful when you remove the agitator, they sometimes lock onto the shaft and crack. If you get it off sucessfully, put a little Vaseline on the top of the shaft so it will pop off easy in the future. I would change the boot seal if you haven't already. Definitely get the GE self repair book that Kenny or Steve offered. It is worth it. It really is easy to fix, even a tranny. The top seal is easy to change as well. Have tons of fun with your GE. They are a blast!
Bobby in Boston



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