Thread Number: 46608
Red lint- Filter Flos and the failure of dryers |
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Post# 679455   5/15/2013 at 08:36 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Okay by luck I washed the RED tableclothes in with the WHITE napkins in the Jetcone washer with JET AWAY lint removal. The result was the WHITE napkins came out covered in RED lint so they looked red-pink!
Into the 1970 GE FILTER FLO they went with the WHITE filter pan in place for contrast, then into the Speed Queen dryer to remove any - if any- remaining lint.
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Post# 679457 , Reply# 1   5/15/2013 at 08:37 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679458 , Reply# 2   5/15/2013 at 08:38 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679459 , Reply# 3   5/15/2013 at 08:38 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679464 , Reply# 5   5/15/2013 at 08:45 (3,996 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 679470 , Reply# 6   5/15/2013 at 09:35 (3,996 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679474 , Reply# 7   5/15/2013 at 10:08 (3,996 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 679490 , Reply# 8   5/15/2013 at 12:18 (3,996 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679495 , Reply# 9   5/15/2013 at 12:34 (3,996 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Jon,
Indeed the FilterFlo is catching the lint (which I never doubted, that was the other Lefever...). But any comparison between the weight the washer and dryer caught is invalid. The washer had the chance to extract the lint first so less remained for the dryer to have a swing at. To be a fair test you needed to split the load and let the washer remove lint from 1/2 and dry the other 1/2 then compare lint weights. In that test I have money on the dryer catching more weight of lint. I'd still love to see the results of running an empty wash load and tossing in a known quantity of lint from the dryer. Weighing the dried lint from the filter pan would directly (and indisputably) show the efficiency of the FF lint capture ability! |
Post# 679498 , Reply# 10   5/15/2013 at 13:01 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679501 , Reply# 11   5/15/2013 at 14:08 (3,996 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Love this test Jon, it shows what most of us know to be true a GE filter-flo washer is amazing at removing the lint and pet hair from the wash. I remember how the dog blanket used to come out of the solid tub Filter-Flo compared to other machines I had at that time, the filter pan would be full of hair and the blanket was nearly 100% hair-free.
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Post# 679502 , Reply# 12   5/15/2013 at 14:15 (3,996 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 679505 , Reply# 13   5/15/2013 at 14:35 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679507 , Reply# 14   5/15/2013 at 14:46 (3,996 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 679516 , Reply# 15   5/15/2013 at 15:06 (3,996 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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True that. Natural fibers absorb humidity which is why cotton is classed as a hygroscopic fiber and why early hygrometers used horse hair to measure, via its expansion, greater humidity and lower humidity via its contraction. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Tomturbomatic's LINK |
Post# 679529 , Reply# 16   5/15/2013 at 16:02 (3,996 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 679539 , Reply# 17   5/15/2013 at 16:57 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679540 , Reply# 18   5/15/2013 at 16:58 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679541 , Reply# 19   5/15/2013 at 16:59 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679542 , Reply# 20   5/15/2013 at 17:00 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679543 , Reply# 21   5/15/2013 at 17:01 (3,996 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 679544 , Reply# 22   5/15/2013 at 17:02 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679545 , Reply# 23   5/15/2013 at 17:03 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679546 , Reply# 24   5/15/2013 at 17:08 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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The napkins were used for the burger meal with Eddie and John but the tableclothes were already in the JetAction machine when I tossed in the white napkins. It was a stroke of luck I wasn't thinking about Louis request to use contrasting materials. So it all came together at the last minute. Now we have a format anyone can reproduce.
"Ding" Filter Flo Lint wins over Dryer lint by a mile.
"But any comparison between the weight the washer and dryer caught is invalid. The washer had the chance to extract the lint first so less remained for the dryer to have a swing at." Phil, the proposition as presented to me was that dryers lint systems will catch more lint than washers lint systems; especially it was surmised that the best washer filter system was made for the WP/Kenmore machines. I can't say from this test wether GE or WP has a better or worse filter system. I did not test a WP product but the Filter Flo system.: so if they are inferior to WP/Kenmore then we should see a greater discrepancy if we had used a WP/K product. So I understand your statement but the claim was made and addressed as made. I can't change horses in midstream.
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Post# 679547 , Reply# 25   5/15/2013 at 17:09 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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reunited again one last time: And thats the way it is May 15, 2013
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Post# 679559 , Reply# 26   5/15/2013 at 17:39 (3,996 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 679567 , Reply# 27   5/15/2013 at 18:19 (3,996 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 679571 , Reply# 28   5/15/2013 at 18:42 (3,996 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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I agree this whole test is quite interesting, and I thank Jon for running it and humoring us all. Not to mention putting up with some of us more opinionated types ;)
But, for me it all came clear with this statement "Phil, the proposition as presented to me was that dryers lint systems will catch more lint than washers lint systems" Well forgive me if I am mistaken but the dryer DID indeed capture more lint then the washer. Yes some may have been created in the drying but surely there was lint from the washer that the dryer caught that the FilterFlo did not catch... Had you just sent the napkins straight to the dryer, bypassing the washer, do you not think the the dryer would have captured almost all the lint the washer did _in addition_ to what the washer had missed (i.e. more)?? My point is that the load that enters the washer and the dryer both need to have the same amount of lint if we want an apples to apples comparison of lint capture ability. Allowing the washer to remove 80% of the lint before the dryer gets its shot doesn't prove the point this statement fairly. I don't dispute the FilterFlo's ability to capture lint, it seems to do a great job. Quite possibly it may be the best washer lint system there is, but we aren't comparing washers here. Also I wasn't involved in Jon & John's conversation so I have to only go by the statements I see here, but I have to agree with the statement above that the "dryer will catch more lint". Because it did... |
Post# 679579 , Reply# 29   5/15/2013 at 19:40 (3,996 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Jon when you REWASH items covered with lint they did not produce of coerce the washer has an advantage because it has first crack at catching foreign lint.
Now go get a real load of clothing and wash it in the GE FF and then dry it in your dryer, then have the lint at the same temperature and humidity and then count the individual lint particles and let us know which one wins. [ when I said a dryer will catch more lint than a GE FFs filter I meant more individual lint particles ] Now get to it before I have to come up there and really slap you, LOL.
From Lefever # 3, # 1&2 have never been heard from on this site, YET but if three of us already here can't beat you in to submission I might get them on board. |
Post# 679589 , Reply# 30   5/15/2013 at 20:32 (3,996 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 679605 , Reply# 31   5/15/2013 at 23:19 (3,996 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 679610 , Reply# 32   5/15/2013 at 23:47 (3,996 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Post# 679624 , Reply# 33   5/16/2013 at 01:46 (3,995 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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The way I see it is the more vigorous the oscillating agitator washers are in SPM (strokes per minute) along with the length of the oscillations they move, determines the ware and tare on the load of laundry you're washing. The type of fabric is also going to make a difference in how worn the clothes will get. For example, if you're washing a load of towels, wash cloths, and bath mats in a GE FF and the same exact load in a BD Whirlpool, there will be more lint in the filter pan then in the filter brush or pin tray. Then, as you dry them, the GE load will also have more lint then the other. Because the front loaders are a lot less vigorous and have no sharp agitator blades, the same load will leave a lot less lint in the dryer. The front loaders have a trap but it's made mostly to catch loose change, paper clips, hair pins, etc. to save the pump from any damage. When I clean my front loaders, there is very little, if any lint in the button catchers. When I wash bath linens, the dryer lint filter has a real narrow line of lint,. Usually easier to remove after a few more loads are dried. Not a fat line of lint like my old DD Kenmores or GM Frigidaires had. My clothes smell cleaner and last longer too.
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