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Post# 680206   5/20/2013 at 10:25 (3,965 days old) by italmex (milano)        

With the new Miele's washers you can choose regular cotton 40º or 60º and cotton ECO 40º or 60º with a longer washing time and lower temp. Do you know which temp is the eco one? thanks.




Post# 680221 , Reply# 1   5/20/2013 at 13:53 (3,965 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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i would say since i do not know that washer brand that the eco temp must be a cold water wash and rinse.

Post# 680231 , Reply# 2   5/20/2013 at 15:28 (3,965 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Pierre, please do a favour to everybody and don't answer things of which you have no clue about!

About the wash cycles each machine has a different system and wash profile.

Water temperature on the 60°C can be as low as 48 to 43°C and up to 3 hours long, 40°C wash would be a little over 30°C and 2:30 minutes long, once reached the temperature isn't mantained.

Otherwise wash cycles without "ECO" usually wash at stated temperature but without holding. By pressing the "intensive" button the wash bath is held at the selected temperature.


Post# 680251 , Reply# 3   5/20/2013 at 17:09 (3,965 days old) by washer111 ()        
Economy Temp

This would be either of the 40º cycles. I suspect Eco is longer because it may use a lower water level than regular cotton's cycle or just "because it can."

 

Remember that the hotter the temperature, the more heating the element must do to bring the temp up to selected, so a cooler temperature is better. Most of your daily fabrics are washed at between 40-50º - any hotter would be for sturdy items that are light coloured or white (proper shirts, not filmsy Tees), your bedding or towels. 

 

My Miele does not have an economy program, instead the options you choose and the cycle determines this: Adding Pre-wash, Water Plus or a gentler cycle all increase water usage, so I am only going on what I understand from my model (and limited experience). I would suggest consulting your manual to see what it suggests regarding this matter, though I think my explanation was sufficient.

 

I should add, your Miele *should* be able to go cooler than this, if you really desire. I wouldn't recommend cooler than 30º, especially if you use softener (it tends to build up on your clothes when you don't use a warm enough temperature - I discovered this during the period of a month when I washed my in 30º). If you do go cooler than 30º (Cold setting, or it may be heated to 24º if needed) is really only suitable in climates where your water is quite warm - Considering you are in Mexico, I imagine that you just might be able to get away with cold, but only if you aren't using softener and only if you are using a nice quality cold-water detergent (or something absolutely loaded with Enzymes!). As I said though, if you have fairly warm cold water, then the Miele won't have to heat as much anyway. I recommend 40º for most colours, though personally I go higher for lighter items, because I can. 




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Post# 680289 , Reply# 4   5/20/2013 at 20:51 (3,965 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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The 60C cycle probably heats to 50C - that's what our consumer magazine measured on a Miele during their last test of washing machines.

FWIW, I just came across on older AEG service manual from 2007 that stated:

E90 heats to 67C and maintains that temp
E60 heats to 40C and maintains that temp
E40 heats to 40C and maintains that temp for a short moment


Post# 680335 , Reply# 5   5/21/2013 at 07:39 (3,964 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

There are Normal 40C & Normal 60C temps, which heat to and hold for an period of time at 40C or 60C depending on the programme chosed, which give an average wash time of around 1hr45-2hr00.
The Eco40 & Eco60 are usually shown in a box (meant to be like an energy label arrow) and these cycles dont hold at temperature and are carried out at a lower temp, yet still give the same results hence longer wash time of around 3hr30.

(Its very similar to a Bosch with Eco Perfect selected)
Temperatures, are as mentioned above by DJ Gabrielle. It all depends on the soil detected by the Miele washer, and cycle is adjusted based on soil level and absorbency.

On a Bosch with Eco Perfect (Logixx 9 ASR):
Cottons 20 Ecoperfect - No heating
Cottons 30 EcoPerfect - 20-25C (Or no heat if water is already warm)
Cottons 40 Ecoperfect - 32-35C
Cottons 60 Ecoperfect - 45-48C
Cottons 90 Ecoperfect - 63-70C

Cottons Eco 60 (a separate programme - available on only the latest models) is actually carried out at just 40C

I guess Miele's would be similar, in terms of the programme packages - Eco Package.

I am not sure if Miele's in Mexico would feature the new Eco40&60 temps though, I though they were there for Europe Markets?


Post# 680360 , Reply# 6   5/21/2013 at 11:47 (3,964 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

A few days ago, i had an internship at MediaMarkt here in Germany, an in this week, a schooled Mieleserviceguy did a productplacement in this store i worked at and within this,a product training had been offered to me. He told, on the normal cycle without "ECO", the selected temperature is maintained for at least 15 min washtime, on the "Hygenic" cycle the time is extended to 30 min. But on "ECO", the temperature is about 50° on the 60°Eco setting, 30-35° on the 40°ECO setting. The longer durations are used to get the same cleaningeffect.

Post# 680520 , Reply# 7   5/22/2013 at 13:15 (3,963 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

So, "ECO" means dumbed down or cooled down wash temps. That is like saying white is white, but ECO white is gray. Somehow it is more of an insult when you have a temperature stated in Arabic numerals for a Celsius temperature, yet it won't be met rather than having a word like "Hot" which is really just warm like on US machines.

Post# 680535 , Reply# 8   5/22/2013 at 14:26 (3,963 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Actually there is nothing new under the sun. My 1982 Philips H-axis toploader has an E-button. It enhances the wash time but brings the temperature down. 95C was done on 60C and 60C was done on 40C. IIRC the washtime on E95 was 30 minutes longer. I used that cycle quite often and had the whitest towels in the neighbourhood. There was no secret like with modern American washers, it was all explained in the manual.

Post# 680571 , Reply# 9   5/22/2013 at 17:59 (3,963 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
it was all explained in the manual

Yup, it's stated everywhere!
That's why I like the possibility of having both "classic" and "ECO" cycles!
I like the convenience of a short hot temperature cycle and an economic one that on the other hand lasts an hour more, it depends on what you need to do and your priorities!

Most of the machines up to the 80s had the ECO button that as foraloysius said changed the wash temperature! And this was more common with washers that integrated the temperature in the programme instead of those with a separate knob as you could use the longest cycle with just 60 or 40°C selected.

Say on my old Candy Alisè I could run programme "1" that does a heated 45 minutes pre-wash and a one hour wash at only 40°C instead of the 95°C it was designed or I could run a 70 minutes cycle at 95°C with a short wash and no prewash at all.

On the other hand on my sister's old Constructa where the temperature selector is missing you got the same thing pushing the ECO button that lowered the 90°C programmes to 60°C!



Post# 680690 , Reply# 10   5/23/2013 at 16:34 (3,962 days old) by italmex (milano)        

Thanks for the answers. Still my question on Miele models on the economical-long programs for ther temperatures. Maybe is like the bosch one or different? thanks.

Post# 680777 , Reply# 11   5/24/2013 at 07:21 (3,961 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

As i wrote: 50° without temperature being helt at 60ECO
30-35° without temperature being helt at 40ECO.
After the temperature has been reached, it just washes on with the temperature getting lower. Perfect for colors, not that good for whites in my opinion.

In some models before yours, the 60° and 40° cottoncycle had been automaticly a ECO-setting, but now, as customers didn't like that cause of the long duration, ECO-cycles have become and option. The ECO-programmpacage offers now an editional ECo-Plus-cycle and an Easyiron-ECO-cycle.


Post# 681023 , Reply# 12   5/25/2013 at 22:00 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Water temperatures

Hi everyone. You have solve one of my latest doubts. I bought an LG washer-dryer combo model WDP1145RD about 6 months ago and has temperature options starting on tap cold (fria), 30, 40, 60, 95ºC, (this is how it comes on the panel, and have tried the cotton and the cotton eco at 95º and never reaches that temperature, (There´s a way to find out what is the water temperature at the moment by pressing and holding buttons Temp and Acl. en Esp at the same time) and it bearly reaches 67º in 95º Eco or normal cottons, so I thought that maybe the control board had something wrong, but I personally don´t want to contact LG service anymore since their technicians don´t know how their washers work. It happened once that a technician came and told me "I don´t know this model cause it´s plain new and they haven´t teached us how to repair this model, I don´t even know how to make tests or reset the control board and how to disassemble it" I felt really disappointed and angry.

I previously owned an Ariston washer which had "0, 30, 40, 50, 55, 60, 90º" temperature options and it reached the 90º, (I measured it once by lowering the drain hose and obtaining a water sample which was at 89º celsius) and it only had cold water valve. It took about 3 hours for the cycle to finish. On the last part of the heating, the machine stopped tumbling so it could reach the temperature faster and you could hear the water almost boiling. After it reached the temperature it restarted tumbling again for about 20 minutes, then added a little water to cool down and then came the first drain.

I own a 35 year old Mexican washer called Crolls Ultramatic 52 with 19 programs showned by letters A-M, with 3 temperature options on the control panel (60, 0, 75) all reachable to what they stated, (water temperature measured by me), just cold water entrance. There is also model Ultramatic 53 which shows letters A-O on the control knob and on the temperature settings it shows (60, 40 and 75), both models do the exactly same things, the difference is that 53 model has the 40º setting written on the control panel and on the control knob instead of having letters A-M it has letters A-O.

There is a BOL model 51 that just have 2 temperatures 40 and 60º settings and letters A-M. Models 52 and 53 have 2 thermostats on the outer tub which have 2 temperatures each high and low (30-60), (40-75) and are cabled in a special way. Heating element to 75º thermostat, 75º thermostat to 60º thermostat and temperature switch on 75º setting, 60º thermostat to 40º thermostat and temperature switch for 40º and 60º settings, 40º thermostat to 30º thermostat and 30º thermostat to timer.

Letter A heats up to 30º and tumble-presoaks for half an hour (4 sec tumble action and 7 sec pause) then passes to letter B which heats up to 30º and pre washes for 2 minutes then drains, it passes to letter C which heats to the other 3 temperature options (40, 60 or 75º), then it passes to D which is cold wash, before letter E it drains and now the rinses begin, with inter spinning between the 2 of them, letter F is the final rinse and has a different water entrance on the dispenser for adding softener, and then letter G is the final spin.

At the beginning of letter A, B, C and during letter D it alternates the tumble pattern from 7 sec tumble and 4 sec pause to 7 sec pause and 4 sec tumble every 2 minutes. Letters E and F just 4 sec tumble and 7 sec pause each click. A timer click before every spin, makes it tumble for 7 sec and pausing for 4 seconds while draining, I think in a form of "distribution" but when it gives the next click it spins at full speed not minding if it´s out of balance and sometimes this makes the washer to walk all over the place. Sometimes the water faucet and hose are the only thing that prevents it from walking away LOL!!! The timer clicks every 2 minutes except for when its heating (until the temperature is reached).

If you choose your cycle since letter A and 75º setting, it takes up to 4:00-4:30 hrs depending on how cold the water is at the moment, like on winter season. Letter A with 60º 3-3:30 hrs, Letter A at 40º 2:30-3:00. I usually use letter C at 40º (color clothes) and takes about 1:30 hrs or letter C at 60-75º (white clothes) and takes about 2:30-3:30 hrs.

Letters H-M are for delicates so the tumble pattern is just 7 sec pause and 4 sec tumble through all the letters, without spinning and having neutral drains instead of whatever tumble pattern like the first cycle does, getting dripping wet clothes after it finishes, it heats in letters H,I J,K, just to 30º always, so the temperature settings don´t work in this cycle. I guess it does it this way for not ruining any kind of clothes but activating detergent´s enzymes.

I will translate all the program chart of model 52.
A at 75º - Heavy soiled white clothes BIO.
A at 60º - Heavy soiled color clothes BIO.
A at 0º - Delicate color clothes BIO.
B at 75º - Heavy soiled white clothes.
B at 60º - Heavy soiled color clothes.
B at 0º - Delicate color clothes.
C at 75º - Normal soiled white clothes.
C at 60º - Normal soiled color clothes.
C at 0º - Synthetics with spin.
D - Cold wash
E - Rinses with spin
F - Fabric softener
G - Final spin (it says Centrifugado Intensivo = Intensive spin)
STOP
H - Nylon Perlon ETC.
I - Synthetics with prewash.
J - Permanent Press
K - Wool
L - Rinses without spin
M - Rinse for synthetics
STOP

Program chart of Model 53.
A at 75º - Heavy soiled white clothes BIO.
A at 60º - Heavy soiled color clothes BIO.
A at 40º - Delicate color clothes BIO.
B at 75º - Heavy soiled white clothes.
B at 60º - Heavy soiled color clothes.
B at 40º - Delicate color clothes.
C at 75º - Normal soiled white clothes.
C at 60º - Normal soiled color clothes.
C at 40º - Synthetics with spin.
D - Cold wash
E - Synthetics in cold wash
F - Rinses with spin
G - Fabric softener with spin
H - Final spin
STOP
I - Nylon Perlon ETC.
J - Synthetics with prewash.
K - Permanent Press
L - Wool
M - Rinses without spin
N - Rinse for synthetics
O - Fabric softener without spin
STOP

I don´t have model 51 program chart but I guess it must be almost the same. The 3 models use the same timer. On the tumble pattern they are just the same as on the rest of functions, leaving the heating part and temperatures beside. Model 51 use 2 thermostats as well, but 1 of them has only 40º, and the other one has 30º- 60º, it heats up to 3 temperatures comparing to the other models which heat to 4 temperatures.

I´ll show some pictures of the machine so you can understand me better and will upload some videos of the different parts of the cycles in other for you to understand the tumble action patterns, and all the phases this machines goes through. It´s my best machine. The only one that doesn´t leave any soil on clothes. Features I like most: it has 6 lights to indicate what the machine is doing. Left row 1º - Machine on; 2º Full water level; 3º Heating, Right row 1º Tumbling; 2º Spinning; 3º Draining. Things against it: Capacity (5 kg) and spin speed (just one) 400 rpm. It was one of the first mexican-built automatic washers brought by the Spanish, and stopped it´s production about 21 years ago. All made out of steel and porcelain outer tub with stainless basket.

This were the only models that heated the water. There were a few models called Novomatic 21, 31, 33 that did the same things on the tumble pattern and functions except for heating the water so they had 2 water valves and their cycles were more than short. Instead of having letters on the control knob it had numbers and depending on the model was the cuantity of numbers it had from 1-7 divided in each side of the control knob to 1-15 also divided on the 2 parts of the control knob. This are quite simple machines, with the same mechanism everyone, just some models didn´t heat the water.

Finally, I guess changing thermostats for thermistors is why the make the difference between being reacheable or not the temperature shown on the control panel, since thermistors are way more sensitive than thermostats.

I hope I din´t make a mess on all my explanation. I´m still learning english and don´t know how to simplify things yet. I´m really sorry if I made you sleepy or your head ace.

Here is the picture of the LG´s control panel on the option side of it.




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Post# 681029 , Reply# 13   5/25/2013 at 23:09 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls pictures

Control panel

Post# 681032 , Reply# 14   5/25/2013 at 23:25 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls pictures

Programs and lights

Post# 681033 , Reply# 15   5/25/2013 at 23:29 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls pictures

Dispenser

Post# 681035 , Reply# 16   5/25/2013 at 23:31 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls pictures

Front

Post# 681040 , Reply# 17   5/25/2013 at 23:55 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Opened

Post# 681041 , Reply# 18   5/25/2013 at 23:57 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Basket

Post# 681042 , Reply# 19   5/25/2013 at 23:58 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Filter

Post# 681043 , Reply# 20   5/26/2013 at 00:08 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Back with cover

Post# 681044 , Reply# 21   5/26/2013 at 00:10 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Back without cover. The volt transformer changes 120 volts current onto 220 volts in order for the motor to work correctly.



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Post# 681045 , Reply# 22   5/26/2013 at 00:14 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Thermostats for Models 52 y 53 with their cables exactly in the same order for both models.

Post# 681046 , Reply# 23   5/26/2013 at 00:18 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Installed Timer on washer. Same for models 51, 52, 53. The black cover under it, has a special device which stops the timer from advancing when it´s heating.

Post# 681048 , Reply# 24   5/26/2013 at 00:37 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Timer uninstalled

Post# 681050 , Reply# 25   5/26/2013 at 00:48 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Timer

Post# 681051 , Reply# 26   5/26/2013 at 00:49 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Timer

Post# 681052 , Reply# 27   5/26/2013 at 00:50 (3,960 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Crolls

Timer

Post# 681070 , Reply# 28   5/26/2013 at 06:49 (3,960 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I dont now wich voltage you have there in spain, 110V or more? Because, here in germany, we have 220V, so heating isnt the problem. Earlier machines had a 100° boilwash and finished it within 2 hours. the problem is the energylabel. It just shows the range fom A+++ to D, but not, as 5 years ago, the cleaningperformance. It just says "Hey, i save energy" but not "i save not that much energy, but clean your clothes twice as good as the other machine."
But , even through, there are some machines, which can save a lot of energy, but also have a Allergic-cycle which reaches the temp and sanatizes things as well. Like our Panasonic reaches 80-90° on the 90° setting, but if you press eco, it just reaches 55-60°. Our second machine, a A+++ machine to, reaches 95° straight away (its a AEG), but on eco 60°, it just reaches 44°.
On your LG:Try it ones without any clothing and check, if it reaches 90°. If not, phone LG and tell it to them and ask, if something can be done against it.


Post# 681076 , Reply# 29   5/26/2013 at 08:06 (3,959 days old) by DJ-Gabriele ()        

I dont now wich voltage you have there in spain, 110V or more?

Spain, like the rest of the World except North America and Japan is on 230V.

As far as the new energy label cleaning efficency isn't indicated anymore because it the machine fails to classify in "A class or better" it simply can't be marketed!


Post# 681115 , Reply# 30   5/26/2013 at 12:05 (3,959 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
henene4

I tried what you suggested. Washer empty, regular cottons at 95º took about 5 min to reach 60º and 2:20 hours displayed on the panel with heavy soil option. Water entered at 52º. It stopped heating as soon as 60º was reached and the temperature started to go down immediately.

At the moment I´m trying the Cotton Eco 95º with heavy soil level and the panel displayed 4:14 hours. I´ll let you know the results.


Post# 681125 , Reply# 31   5/26/2013 at 14:18 (3,959 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Cotton Eco 95º

It heated the water until 67º stopped heating and the temperature began to descend. Maybe the control panel is mistaken. The cotton regular reaches lower temperatures than the Cotton Eco. I´m now used to it. If I need hotter water and better results I´ll use the Crolls.

Post# 681126 , Reply# 32   5/26/2013 at 14:40 (3,959 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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67 degrees Celcius is the same temperatures some AEG's would achieve on the 95 degrees Eco cycle. On others the temperature control had an "E" setting at 67 degrees.

Post# 681133 , Reply# 33   5/26/2013 at 15:29 (3,959 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Sorry, overead that you have written the thing about the transformer.
@DJ-Gabriele : He wrote himself that there is an 120V input and a 220V output on the transformer. So i was not sure because i thought, they would have 220V, to. And by the way: What about Cyprus or Great Britain? Both are 110V.
But again, so the 60° Normal cotton reaches 60°, the 95° setting but only 60°? In that case, i would recomend you calling LG and tell them about it. Cause if they say, that would be normal, i would try to find out if that is the same here in Germany. Just have to find someone that has the same machine.


Post# 681136 , Reply# 34   5/26/2013 at 16:22 (3,959 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
LG temperatures.

On the Normal cotton 60º reaches 50º, and the 95º reaches 60º and the max time displayed is 2:20 hrs. On the Cotton Eco 60º reaches 60º, and 95º reaches 67º and the max time displayed is 4:14 hrs. The rest of the temperatures are reached as stated.

I have noticed that when selecting 60º or 95º makes the machine to have hot water income maybe so it could reach the temperature faster and to be more energy efficient. Cold, 30º and 40º settings use only cold water income and heats it up.

The transformer is just for the motor, not for the entire machine. It heats up the water, and makes the rest of the functions on 127 volt. Great britain also has 220 volts.


Post# 681137 , Reply# 35   5/26/2013 at 16:25 (3,959 days old) by DJ-Gabriele ()        
What about Cyprus or Great Britain? Both are 110V.

You're WAYYYYY WRONG.
Both are harmonized to the universal European voltage 230V at 50HZ.
Even if actually in the UK in some zones is 240V because of older apparatus for the former standard.

And btw, he's in Mexico and not Spain according to what he said.


Post# 681142 , Reply# 36   5/26/2013 at 17:00 (3,959 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Sorry! Went wroooong!

Yes, your right. And enven through :
50° at 60° setten is okay, but 60° at 95°??? Would not accept this at all. Ask LG. Really, this is not ok. 10° or 20° maximum to low, ok, but whole 35° to low, that cant be normal , i think. Let it check through by LG and well se what they say.


Post# 681146 , Reply# 37   5/26/2013 at 17:16 (3,959 days old) by ultramatic52 (Mexico City)        
Henene4

I understand you, but the tech support here is a mess. They don´t know their machines. Technicians here are not compromised with their job. I really don´t want to fight with anyone. I would rather appreciate someone here to tell me, by perfectly knowing the machines functionality, if my control board is wrong or maybe the thermistors and if there is anyplace I could get them. I can afford to pay for this parts myself rather than waiting for a stupid guy to come and tell me that the washer is OK. They don´t know what to press so that the display shows you the actual water temperature and if I tell them how, I will loose its warranty for misusing it. I know people here. I´ve been there. The good thing is that it gets clothes beautifully clean and white.

Post# 681264 , Reply# 38   5/27/2013 at 20:05 (3,958 days old) by italmex (milano)        

I know LG in Mexico and yes they don't know what they have. Once I bought one. Call them for service, no answer, send it back to the shop, money back, go to Miele for wash and dryer and after 2 months LG was calling asking what was wrong with the washer. Maybe after almost 5 years LG is Still thinking that I still have their machine. I love Miele machines, 2500 hrs working, no problems and most important... Miele people knows what they sell and how to repair it.
Get your money back or sell it and go with a Miele.



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