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Hotpoint AQ114F49DE Direct Injection Aqualtis 		[Down to Last]

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Post# 681948   6/1/2013 at 13:42 (3,974 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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I think this Aqualtis model is going to be advertised on the tv starting next week.




Post# 681950 , Reply# 1   6/1/2013 at 13:50 (3,974 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Is this a first for Hotpoint a recirculation pump, not sure how effective it will be.

Post# 681951 , Reply# 2   6/1/2013 at 13:51 (3,974 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Pump Wattage

Post# 681952 , Reply# 3   6/1/2013 at 14:04 (3,974 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

The idea looks very simular to the samsung eco bubble.
Tom

Post# 681955 , Reply# 4   6/1/2013 at 14:33 (3,974 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Yes Tom & also Candy Grando Evo

Post# 681969 , Reply# 5   6/1/2013 at 16:25 (3,974 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Has it got jets or does it circulate the solution by stealth

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Really curious to see how they work... I wonder whether they're going to circulate the wash water continuously like an Electrolux jet system or just in crucial moments of the wash process like in the Hoover 8-Pulse. They're also recycling the idea of washing at 20 degrees with the results of 40 already speculated by Hoover/Candy.

As I said in a different thread, I've been trying this cycle for a little while and it really delivers, however I still think this option should be used wisely.

Post# 681977 , Reply# 6   6/1/2013 at 17:08 (3,974 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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It quite simply recirculates the wash water in the base of the outer drum nothing new about that. I could understand & would have much prefered if the wash water was sprayed over the load from above but it doesn't even do that. A complete rip off but with a fancy Direct Injection name.

Post# 681981 , Reply# 7   6/1/2013 at 17:29 (3,974 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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& Indesit could have saved a bit more money if they had moved the recirculation hose more towards the end of the sump hose then the detergent save ball wouldn't have been required.

Post# 682050 , Reply# 8   6/2/2013 at 02:57 (3,974 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        

Good luck to who ever buys this machine, im sure it must clean well. hotpoint shoudn't have copied samsung idea of injecting suds into the drum instead they should of brought back the powerstream idea, but increase the drum rotations to 500rpm with 2 recirculation jet at the back of the drum well as front of drum, do you think that would work.

by the way i own a samsung 12kg, i've notice the machine washes better with powder than liquid. the eco bubble is at its best 5mins into the soaking stage, eventually the suds will disappear on a full load, then it comes back again when eco bubble turns on. some people say the eco bubble idea is a pointless rip off, i disagree it does foam like crazy with the right detergent, such as daz or ariel, persil, is a no no for me.

Post# 682068 , Reply# 9   6/2/2013 at 05:01 (3,973 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        
I didn't notice but...

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It seems there's been a video for this on youtube since August last year ??!!



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Post# 682121 , Reply# 10   6/2/2013 at 14:00 (3,973 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

@dave886: The idea is good, but with a jet at the back of the drum you'll get problems. Like were to place it and how to connect it without a sealing-problem? Having 2 sprays at the font with different arming-areas in the drum would be a better idea.
And i think, the pump will be on through the whole cycle to flush the heater. Like removing the heated water and eychange it with the cooler water for a better heating efficency.

Post# 682294 , Reply# 11   6/3/2013 at 16:25 (3,972 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Yes that's right I86810 they have had the same model available in czech republic since October 2012, and its also been available, in France, alongside a LCD display model at A+++-20% on the energy scale.
I think they were trying the product out in those countries, before launching it worldwide I guess.

I think this will sell thanks to its A+++-10% on the energy scale.
It works exactly the same as a Samsung Eco Bubble, Eco bubble doesn't spray the load it just pumps it in the bottom. its called direct injection meaning foam injection into the tub, not 8pulse technology like in Hoover /Panasonic etc!!

Post# 682348 , Reply# 12   6/4/2013 at 01:44 (3,972 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
removing the heated water and eychange it with the cooler wa

 A resistive heater isn't a heat pump, its efficiency will stay the same regardless of the sounding medium temperature, plus the drum movement will make enough turbulence for tater movement!

Post# 682401 , Reply# 13   6/4/2013 at 13:36 (3,971 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I know that it is not a heat pump of course, but with the heated waterlayer around the heater it will not trasport the heat to all the cold water. Like a blanked around your body. And espacily with the low water temperatures and amounts every amount of water needs the setten temperatures and a good mix with the othe water.

Post# 684015 , Reply# 14   6/15/2013 at 17:14 (3,960 days old) by bertrum ()        

Ha Ha, Could not have said it better my self Optima, "A complete rip off but with a fancy Direct Injection name".

So the water gets circulated from the heater back through the sump, about 6 inches!, another gimmick to sell to the uneducated masses.



Post# 684018 , Reply# 15   6/15/2013 at 18:40 (3,960 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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I think this picture says it all for a top spec Hotpoint machine lol

Post# 684023 , Reply# 16   6/15/2013 at 20:07 (3,960 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)        

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What a complete waste of materials and engineering! As P.T. Barnum once said, "there's a sucker born every minute".

Post# 684153 , Reply# 17   6/17/2013 at 04:13 (3,958 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

The pics above remind me a little of the underside of my 2012 Zanussi Jetsystem ZWH7122J. The tub assembly in the Hotpoint doesn't look as substantial and the tub is sealed too unlike the Zanussi.

I like the look of the Hotpoint machine though. The Injection system looks interesting but just a shame they didn't move the jet up to the water is showered over the top.

Post# 684154 , Reply# 18   6/17/2013 at 04:14 (3,958 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        

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Post# 684185 , Reply# 19   6/17/2013 at 09:44 (3,958 days old) by mrx ()        

One of my relatives bought a Samsung Eco Bubble 12kg to replace a Bosch and really I wouldn't recommend it, especially if you're installing it on a wooden floor.

The machine shakes so violently that the drawer opens, especially if it's lightly loaded. It's nothing to do with bolts or installation norms. It's just really bouncy despite the 'VRT+ technology'.

This now means that they have to use a piece of tape to keep the drawer closed LOL

Their previous Bosch machine was nice and stable.

The washing and rinsing results are also relatively poor compared to the Bosch it replaced. It uses very little water and the Eco-Bubble function doesn't really create very many bubbles with most detergents other than maybe Woolite.

To keep the drawer closed, they've resorted to a novel system involving a large band of elastic. They basically used the elastic that you can buy for dressmaking and sewed it so that there's a washing machine sized band. Otherwise, the machine's drawer shakes open and it fills water onto the floor!

The one thing that it does that is quite useful is a slow speed spin a few minutes into the wash which completely saturates the clothes in soapy water. However, the rest of its features are a bit 'meh'.

I think it's a bit of a marketing gimmick to be perfectly honest.

All in all, I think you're better off sticking to proven technologies.

I think the EcoBubble will be going to the recycling centre if anything serious goes wrong with it. I don't think they're all that keen on keeping it.

Post# 684910 , Reply# 20   6/21/2013 at 16:03 (3,954 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

My first generation frontloading Panasonic machine from 2009, does the slow 'frothing' spin for about a minute. The idea being to thoroughly mix the detergent and water.

However, I found that liquid detergent in the drawer leaves a residue. Dosing devices make annoying clunks and rattles. So I employ the following method: I rotate the empty drum so that the paddles are at 12, 4 and 8 o' clock positions. I pour a capful of detergent along the 8 o' Clock position paddle. This seems to work fine.

Post# 684925 , Reply# 21   6/21/2013 at 17:29 (3,954 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Got the VG4, the up-to-date-Panasonic and it does the same. But liquid detergent is now flushed better than powders as the drawer got bigger. A drwaer tha is abeld to hold arround 400-500 ml mainwashdetergent :)

Post# 685024 , Reply# 22   6/22/2013 at 06:27 (3,953 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I add liquid detergent when my washer starts filling - no residue.

I also like Panasonic's system. Simple and effective way to desolve detergent. Better than the EcoBubble, I think. And even adds a little drama with the spinning tub. :)

Post# 685035 , Reply# 23   6/22/2013 at 08:26 (3,953 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Indeed, these Panis are worked out better than i thought. The ot-off-balance-system stopps not only spinning, the solving process is restarted up to 3 times if the load is out off balance and the reversing times can be changed if the load has balled up. And indeed, round about 60-80% of all EcoBubbles are produced by the same slow speed spin a the beginning.

Post# 685121 , Reply# 24   6/22/2013 at 18:35 (3,953 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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henene4, congrats on the Panasonic!
I've been thinking about getting one...

Does it distribute with the 5 jets on at any point? any distribution whilst rinsing?

Post# 685186 , Reply# 25   6/23/2013 at 07:51 (3,952 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

On the first distribution the jets are off. The distribution is after the first water intake and takes about a minute. Most of the clothes are soaked right after that, but water still needs to be adden to get really wet clothes. Just a couple of minutes later the sprays start and turn on and off with changing tumbling speeds.
On rinsing, i only recognized ones a spray-rinse and on this rinse, the jets were turned on. I think to remeber it was 60° Cottons rinse+ cycle with eco and 3/4 load...
Over all, the machine is genius. Takes only 2:01h for a 8 kg load at 40° with an extra rinse (3 rinses at all, i recomend this setting for every load). With its huge 70l drum and the 5 jets, it does a really good job. Silent, fast, well built. But if you are just a couple and do not have that big amounts of wash and the machine does not have to be that silent, the smaller machines are as good as the big ones.
No matter which washer, do NOT compare the drum capacity told by the manufactures, compare the drum size in liters. Overall you can say that 1kg of loading needs for a proper, fast and creasless wash 10 liters of drum volume. So our Panasonic takes 7kg real load, 8 kg are quite packed, so i dont recomend using the full 8 kg capacity.


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