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Post# 684184 6/17/2013 at 09:41 (3,964 days old) by Tomturbomatic  (Beltsville, MD) |
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Has reached the low 70s Fahrenheit in Beltsville, so I moved the hose that feeds the cold water manifold for the 4 front loaders from the tempering valve and connected it directly to a cold water faucet. | ||
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Post# 684210 , Reply# 1 6/17/2013 at 11:38 (3,964 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Is your tempering valve manual or thermostatically controlled? This post was last edited 06/17/2013 at 12:35 | ||
| Post# 684213 , Reply# 2 6/17/2013 at 12:01 (3,964 days old) by rockland1 () | ||
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Cold Water Are you on your own well or is this city water? | ||
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Post# 684354 , Reply# 4 6/18/2013 at 02:15 (3,964 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Cold tap water warming up during the summer-this will happen as water tower tanks are heated by the sun.The Eastern Pines Water Co out my way has lots of water towers.See them outside of town-they are at their water wells.Of course in winter the tower tanks are cooled by the cold weather. | ||
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Post# 684379 , Reply# 5 6/18/2013 at 07:57 (3,963 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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 About 35 miles south of Wausau is a Del Monte canning factory, and they have their own well with a water tower for more pressure. A few years ago they painted the tower black to aid in heating the water used in the canning process. It has saved them quite a bit in fuel costs for water heating. Very clever. | ||
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Post# 684383 , Reply# 6 6/18/2013 at 08:08 (3,963 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN) |
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 Minneapolis city water in my neighborhood has finally reached 60 degrees F. At one point this winter it was as low as 38 degrees! Depending on the summer, it could get up to the 75-80 range by late August before it starts sliding back down. For me, 60 degrees is the point where I switch back to cold rinses for the summer. | ||
| Post# 684436 , Reply# 7 6/18/2013 at 13:21 (3,963 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Tap cold is 73f today. Water comes from the rivers. | ||
| Post# 684449 , Reply# 9 6/18/2013 at 14:19 (3,963 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Our tap cold water today is 84F. We have a city well, but the water pipes are routed through the attic since we don't have a basement. Makes for very "cool" water in the summertime. | ||
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Post# 684453 , Reply# 10 6/18/2013 at 14:28 (3,963 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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I wonder what they do in really cold places
Tom,
Last I checked Minnesota is pretty cold, although I suppose there are colder places. Around here I'm not aware of anything being done to prevent freezing in the tanks. I think they just rely on lots of continuous turnover to keep the water from freezing. The water does get cold, into the high 30's F, but that is a ways from freezing. The attached photo is one of the city water tanks. I maintain a number of antennas on the top of this tank for a local radio club. A few years back they were doing painting and maintenance on this tank and I was able to walk around inside the tank. It is merely a big steel drum welded up from ~3/8" steel plates. Its about 100 feet high and holds roughly a million gallons. There is no insulation or anything on the tank. Its neat to be able to witness the water level in the humid summer months. There is clear condensation on the sides of the tank up to the water level, much like an LP tank on a propane grill. 
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Post# 684474 , Reply# 11 6/18/2013 at 16:32 (3,963 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 684545 , Reply# 13 6/19/2013 at 01:14 (3,963 days old) by fido () | ||
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Apparently parts of Siberia have permafrost to a depth of nearly 5000 feet so I suppose the water pipes might as well be on the surface but very well lagged. | ||
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Post# 684581 , Reply# 14 6/19/2013 at 09:52 (3,962 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Tom, We do have other forms of elevated water storage tanks here in MN. You will find the classic four leg tanks as well as the more modern "Golf Ball on Tee" style as well. It depends on where they are and to some degree when they were built.
Our city tanks, of which there are three, all all the style of the one in my photo. Burnsville has some high ridges in its topography and the tanks are all on the high points. A ground mounted tank like these hold the most volume of water for the least cost but they must be placed at a high relative elevation to provide adequate water pressure. The high mounted tank styles are used in areas that are typically flat as they elevate the bulk of the water storage to provide higher pressure. The rule to remember is that 1 psi is developed for every increase in ~2 feet of elevation. Of note, especially for this thread, our city now has one below ground holding tank also. Of course this would be helpful in avoiding freezing. I'm not sure if that tank empties directly to the users, or if it is just holding that is then pumped up into one of the above ground tanks for delivery. Next time I chat with someone from the water department I will have to ask what the in tank temperatures are in Winter and if they ever have any freezing. I would imagine that its likely that the water temperature at my house in Winter is higher then the temperature in the tanks. The water quite likely warms slightly as it moves through the underground distribution mains etc. | ||
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Post# 688391 , Reply# 15 7/10/2013 at 06:27 (3,942 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Tap cold in Beltsville now is about 77F. | ||
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Post# 688395 , Reply# 16 7/10/2013 at 06:50 (3,942 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 950616 , Reply# 19 7/29/2017 at 12:49 (2,461 days old) by Magic_Clean (Florida) | ||
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Reviving this to report that after nearly 2 months; with daily highs in the low to mid 90's (west central Florida) our cold tap water; is now in the low 90's!
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Post# 950639 , Reply# 21 7/29/2017 at 15:41 (2,461 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 950660 , Reply# 22 7/29/2017 at 16:43 (2,461 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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These high tap cold water temps in TX and FL made me think of Mac with the laundry where they had to add STPP to the first fill, termed a hot break, because the cold water was so warm it would set blood in the fabrics. I hope he is in a happy place, bless his gentle soul. | ||
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Post# 950661 , Reply# 23 7/29/2017 at 16:45 (2,461 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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heat in the hot water drains through the pipe into the cool  Tom, thank you for putting into words my suspicion for the last 31.5 years. My pipes run through my foundation. this phenomenon is quite noticeable during the winter at its coldest. Not only do I purge water before turning on the dishwasher, I will sometimes purge water for particularly the 1st post wash rinse and sometimes even the 2nd post wash rinse, particularly if I'm using the 1 hour wash cycle. The winter phenomenon is also particularly noticeable because the 120 degree water temperature is probably between 110 & 115 by the time it reaches my shower at the complete opposite end of the house to the water heater. | ||
| Post# 950735 , Reply# 24 7/30/2017 at 03:27 (2,461 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
 Whoa, another purger! Shh, don't let the government hear us.
Know any home machine with a purge? Know any slab home with insulated hots? Hence the ridiculosity of running everything on 'pans' (thermo-time) cycle to make up for half-gallon fills of water below skin temp (<94F) and counting all the 'savings' on their 'eco' machine while waiting for the gaw dam thing to finish. Mostly what happens, eh?
So much going against good results, wonder they ever caught on. | ||
| Post# 950739 , Reply# 25 7/30/2017 at 06:33 (2,461 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 950778 , Reply# 26 7/30/2017 at 11:49 (2,460 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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In previous residences in the Bay Area, I've never noticed tap water to be significantly warmer in the summer. But in this abode, I definitely do notice it. I don't know if it's because the pipes run closer to the surface, or draw water from warmer sources. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the single handle kitchen faucet is mixing hot with cold, but the tap cold coming out of dual faucet sinks is about the same temp as in the kitchen.
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Post# 950815 , Reply# 27 7/30/2017 at 17:53 (2,460 days old) by KB0NES (Burnsville, MN) |
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When using an infrared thermometer to measure water temp it pays to check it against an immersion thermometer to be sure. My Fluke gun on its medium emissivity range reads about 10% high. Most infrared thermometers are fixed for a medium range which is good for any rough surfaces like stone, plaster and wood. High emmisivity surfaces will read high and shiny polished surfaces will read quite low.
Infrared non-contact measurement is handy but accuracy can be influenced by the surface being read. Our cold tap water here in MN is 64 degrees F today
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Post# 950830 , Reply# 28 7/30/2017 at 19:57 (2,460 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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The city water here has gotten so warm I literally can't get a cold enough shower. This summer has been really hot. | ||
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Post# 950837 , Reply# 29 7/30/2017 at 21:28 (2,460 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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