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| Post# 685208 6/23/2013 at 11:47 (3,952 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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With the newer versions using less water for cleaning does this mean poorer rinsing ? Also what would be the best route in a FL'r to purchase today if one would be placing on concrete floor? Tks | ||
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| Post# 685612 , Reply# 2 6/25/2013 at 17:15 (3,950 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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| Post# 685702 , Reply# 3 6/26/2013 at 05:17 (3,949 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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@laudromat so how old is your Affinity? | ||
Post# 685717 , Reply# 4 6/26/2013 at 06:30 (3,949 days old) by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Recirculating spray first appeared with the total redesign of Frigidaire front-loaders in 2010. It's a great feature, as it saturates even full-capacity loads immediately. Helps with rinsing, too. Another feature that's a must-have: internal water heater for true hot washes (usually connected with an Allergy or Sanitize cycle).
I think the TOL Frigidaire front-loader provides great value-for-money in the features department. While it doesn't have a dedicated steam producer, the steam option gives you a 20-minute hot first rinse and a warm second rinse. I use the steam option often with colorfast loads. The Allergy option heats the water to around 130 degrees. The Sanitize cycle heats water to 150 degrees with a manageable cycle time of 1 hour and 36 minutes. Removes any stain from loads of kitchen whites. And the washer can be had for around $900---a relative bargain compared to TOL models from other makes. The TOL Frigidaire scores very high at Consumer Reports---including excellent ratings for cleaning ability and gentleness to fabrics---but is no longer on their recommended list because reliability ratings have dropped. My 2010 has not given me a problem. | ||
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Post# 685726 , Reply# 5 6/26/2013 at 07:22 (3,949 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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I believe the speed and duration of the spins after the wash and between the rinses greatly impacts rinsing. On my washer, the normal/casual cycle adds a lot of water to cool down the load at the end of the wash - filling for up to two minutes, diluting the wash water. But the spin that follows is very slow and brief, I suspect to reduce wrinkling. The spins between the rinses are not as fast or long as on other cycles. I find that this cycle, which uses more water, but spins less, rinses less effectively than other cycles.
The delicate cycle uses a lot of water for the wash and rinses, but doesn't spin at all between cycle segments. Its rinsing is not as good on heavier items, although it is fine for light and delicate items. On my machine, cycles which use less water but spin faster and longer between cycle segments ends up doing a better job rinsing. | ||
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Post# 685774 , Reply# 6 6/26/2013 at 12:43 (3,949 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Hot water washes are not a problem at all here because they all got internal heaters. Eben if temperatures are dumbed down (60° are only 44° in most cases), there is alway a way to get the wanted 60°C. | ||
| Post# 687566 , Reply# 7 7/6/2013 at 02:27 (3,940 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 687589 , Reply# 9 7/6/2013 at 10:16 (3,939 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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My high school English teacher was right: Syntax is of vital importance!
I didn't mean to infer recirculating jets in front-loaders didn't exist prior to the 2010 Frigidaire. Indeed, I believe Whirlpool/Kenmore combos had them in the late 1950s. What I meant: Recirculating jets didn't exist in American Frigidaire front-loaders until 2010. I love words and language but forget, sometimes, to be diligent about usage. :-) | ||
| Post# 687712 , Reply# 11 7/7/2013 at 00:15 (3,939 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Frigilux - | ||
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Post# 687746 , Reply# 12 7/7/2013 at 03:38 (3,938 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 687749 , Reply# 13 7/7/2013 at 05:41 (3,938 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Alexander: Thanks for finding and posting the video of the Frigidaire washer in action for Mark!
The recirculation spray on my 2010 Frigidaire looks the same as the one in this video, but stays on longer. This one seems to turn on for only about 3 seconds at a time during the wash cycle. I'm guessing it stays on for a full minute two or three times during the wash tumble on mine. The Quick cycle is being shown here (which I've never used) and the recirculation may be timed differently for that cycle. You get a better idea of how it works if you fast-forward about 20 minutes into the video. Recirculation stays on much longer during the rinses (as it does with my machine). | ||
| Post# 687820 , Reply# 14 7/7/2013 at 13:29 (3,938 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Oh cool | ||
| Post# 687837 , Reply# 15 7/7/2013 at 15:36 (3,938 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA) | ||
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Post# 687907 , Reply# 17 7/8/2013 at 05:40 (3,937 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I agree with you completely, Bud. Best front-loader scenario: Very low water level for wash; higher for rinses. I always set the water level lower on my old WCI front-loaders circa 1987-1996. Not as low as today's machines, of course, LOL.
I'm used to it now, but the first few loads in the 2010 Frigidaire were shocking: There was no water in the tub! But I can't argue with excellent results, so I made my peace with it and just let the machine do its job. | ||
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Post# 687934 , Reply# 18 7/8/2013 at 09:46 (3,937 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Also To low water washes are not that good. Water should be enough to flush through the clothes and wash the dirt out being solved in the water. My favorite wash scenario: Mid-Low washes, mid to mid-high rinses on a normal cotton wash. | ||
| Post# 687973 , Reply# 19 7/8/2013 at 14:00 (3,937 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA) | ||
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@ Frigilux
Without wanting to commit threadjacking here, I would like to ask something that is actually related to the water level in the newer Frigilux FL'ers:
Does your Frigidaire usually spin after the wash cycle? 9 times out of 10 mine will not unless I have added extra water via the detergent dispenser. It seems that the clothes are otherwise too tangled for the machine to balance them properly and spin. I wrote Electrolux/Frigidaire about this and never received an answer. | ||
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Post# 688006 , Reply# 20 7/8/2013 at 15:37 (3,937 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I can think of only one or two instances in which an imbalance caused the machine to miss the first spin. I wash huge loads of kitchen and personal whites---loads that include large tablecloths and several chef's aprons (with their long tie-strings) that wash for 70 minutes before the first spin (Sanitize cycle) and it never fails to get the job done. If any load would have the opportunity to get wildly tangled, it would be that one.
A couple of questions: 1) Is the tub reversing direction every time it pauses? I've watched items get tangled as the tub spins in one direction, then untangle when the tub reverses. If the tub wasn't reversing, there could be a mess. 2) Might it have something to do with the shock absorber problem you mentioned in another thread? Perhaps that's causing the machine to register an imbalance, thus preventing it from going into the first spin. Then again, why wouldn't that problem show up in the other two spins as well? I've never added a drop of water to the washer, and only use the Max Fill option (which only adds a small amount of water) when washing comforters or other large, bulky items. Sounds like your washer needs a visit from a repairman. | ||
| Post# 688038 , Reply# 21 7/8/2013 at 16:36 (3,937 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA) | ||
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1st spin
It does reverse after it pauses. It will start to ramp up to the first spin and then just as everything looks properly balanced and it's acting like it should spin, it drops the clothes and then the machine moves on to the first rinse. Again, it does not do this every time, just some of the time.
I have observed the tub action more closely since posting about the shock absorber. I did not see any of the symptoms Launderess described like the drum scraping the glass, but there is still some suspension noise present that never used to be there. There are two more spins? Really? That would be news to me as mine has only ever spun after the wash and then the final spin... Since the machine is still under warrantee from both the manufacturer and the store I bought it from, I might just excercise my service call option... | ||
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Post# 688040 , Reply# 22 7/8/2013 at 16:47 (3,937 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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On Normal, Heavy Duty, Sanitize, Whitest Whites cycles:
Wash Spin 1st Rinse Spin 2nd Rinse Final Spin If I add a "Freshwater Rinse" option, it spins after the wash, first rinse, second rinse, and third rinse for a total of 4 spins. Casual cycle: Wash 1st Rinse Spin 2nd Rinse Spin Delicate cycle: Wash 1st Rinse 2nd Rinse Spin Are you hearing a knocking sound during the spin? Mine knocks if the load isn't well-balanced, but it has always done that. My 2010 washer is model 4074, which was the TOL model at the time. Your machine may have different cycle sequences or behaviors. | ||
| Post# 688049 , Reply# 23 7/8/2013 at 17:10 (3,937 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA) | ||
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It could be that since mine is the BOL model, they cut out some of the extras like the other spins. It has no heater and no drum light either.
I don't ever hear a banging noise coming from the machine, just the usual sounds of a machine spinning at 1100 rpm. The freshwater rinse button on mine just adds a middle rinse between the bleach (1st) rinse and the fabric softener rinse (final rinse). The casual cycle (indeed all the cycles run in the same order, just in different times) looks like this: Wash Spin (?) 1st rinse 2nd rinse 3rd rinse Final Spin | ||
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