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Thread Number: 47868
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| Post# 694614 8/6/2013 at 10:47 (3,909 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 694615 , Reply# 1 8/6/2013 at 10:49 (3,909 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Bottle Washer | ||
| Post# 694627 , Reply# 2 8/6/2013 at 12:03 (3,909 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, CT) | ||
It looks like GE is really trying to fix their brand... | ||
| Post# 694632 , Reply# 3 8/6/2013 at 12:13 (3,909 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Me too... | ||
| Post# 694644 , Reply# 4 8/6/2013 at 12:33 (3,909 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Hmmmm | ||
Post# 694725 , Reply# 5 8/6/2013 at 16:05 (3,909 days old) by foraloysius  (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 694756 , Reply# 6 8/6/2013 at 18:20 (3,909 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
I have seen several brands claim to be the quietest.
Bosch and Kitchenaid were both side by side when I bought in Feb, both claiming the quietest wash. Though I have no comparison to the Bosch I bought the KA and it is darn quiet. Lot more so that the Quiet Series Maytag it replaced; much more than the GE Potscrubber years before, you could hear it outside. | ||
| Post# 694768 , Reply# 7 8/6/2013 at 19:51 (3,909 days old) by Mich2013 () | ||
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Bosch I've seen them claim to be the quietest dishwasher brand. Have you seen there 44db models? | ||
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Post# 694772 , Reply# 8 8/6/2013 at 20:35 (3,909 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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This TOL Bosch is the quietest dishwasher on the US market. Price is $1,900.
24" Bar Handle Dishwasher 800 Plus Series- Stainless steel SHX9ER55UC 39 dBA- Quietest in its Class 3rd Rack for Additional Loading Capacity ActiveTab™ Tray InfoLight® Beams on Floor to Indicate Dishwasher is Running Water Softener Ensures Perfect Shine AquaStop® Plus Leak Protection Works 24/7 Load Size Sensor RackMatic® on Upper Rack - 3 Height Adjustments and Up to 9 Possible Rack Positions 
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Post# 694781 , Reply# 9 8/6/2013 at 21:04 (3,909 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New GE DWs I will reserve judgement till I install a few and work on them. I can tell you one thing for sure, I installed a mid level plastic tall tub machine a month ago that was made in the US and it was a POS, far worse look and feel and flimsy construction to boot compared to the tall tub DWs that they have been building for the last ten years or so. . The bottle wash idea is STUPID, my older WP and KA DWs have no problem washing FORTY bottles in one load, I would rate this feature right up there with WPs Turbo-Scrub thing that lets you wash ONE really dirty item if it is in the lower rack facing the rear, I want [ and currently have ] a DW where I can wash a Whole load of really dirty items without worrying where they are positioned in the machine. | ||
| Post# 694786 , Reply# 10 8/6/2013 at 21:27 (3,909 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
I don't think that the bottle wash feature is stupid at all. It would come in handy if someone has a baby in the house and they can put the baby bottles in and know they will get sanitized. What one might think is stupid , actually makes sense to another. I am looking forward to seeing new dishwasher in person. The other thing is that reversing wash arm. I wonder if its a spring that's wound and then released to reverse the arm or is there a motor that does it? I wish they brought back the MultiOrbit arm...loved how that arm got into everything. That 4 way arm design is nice. I wonder how the new machine will be rated by CU.
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Post# 694788 , Reply# 11 8/6/2013 at 21:40 (3,909 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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 All those jets AND low water usage? I wonder how that'll turn out.
I can understand that customers would think swirling and reversing spray arm work wonders but in reality it doesn't seem to make a difference in cleaning. Our consumer magazine tested dishwashers with both normal spray arms and that AEG (Frigidaire in the US) with the swirling extra wash arm - the regular machines did better (Bosch and Miele).
That Bottle Wash looks like what commercial dishwashers use to clean instruments from dentists etc.
This is Miele's baby bottle holder. Goes in the upper rack. 
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| Post# 694791 , Reply# 12 8/6/2013 at 21:56 (3,909 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Post# 694792 , Reply# 13 8/6/2013 at 21:57 (3,909 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 694795 , Reply# 14 8/6/2013 at 22:02 (3,909 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Yeah I can place bottles in any place in my Dw and have them get clean so not into the bottle washing feature at all. Now... if the spray pressure of the unit is like a lawn sprinkler at the end of a long run hose, then maybe you have to use this feature to get bottles clean in this DW. | ||
| Post# 694833 , Reply# 15 8/7/2013 at 06:50 (3,909 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 694834 , Reply# 16 8/7/2013 at 06:54 (3,909 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Silly Bottle Wash feature | ||
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Post# 694849 , Reply# 17 8/7/2013 at 09:26 (3,908 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Plus, that Bottle Wash doesn't look too effective. Maybe with detergent in the water one would get better coverage.
vine.co/v/hugeHlrFhhT/embed... (click on the video to get it running) | ||
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Post# 694871 , Reply# 18 8/7/2013 at 11:36 (3,908 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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There are four bottle jets on the top rack.
I believe it reverses direction by using a separate water channel in the wash arm. Notice only half of the wash arm works at once. So changing direction would work the same way as switching from washing the upper rack to the bottom rack. CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK | ||
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Post# 694884 , Reply# 19 8/7/2013 at 13:08 (3,908 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Spray tines for a dishwasher rack www.google.com/patents/US20120291...
Dishwasher spray assembly www.google.com/patents/US20120285...
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| Post# 694889 , Reply# 20 8/7/2013 at 13:42 (3,908 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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multi purpose rack for my Miele dishwasher and I rarely use | ||
| Post# 694937 , Reply# 21 8/7/2013 at 16:06 (3,908 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Reversing direction sounds nice and all but does this actually get anything cleaner faster or better than just one direction? Be interesting to see the wash time on these units. Last week I visited a relative with a new Whirlpool DW. It took 3 to almost 4 hours to complete a cycle and they even ran hot water to it before they started it. I mean.... I dunno. | ||
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Post# 694980 , Reply# 22 8/7/2013 at 18:36 (3,908 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Miele is going in the same direction. According to Google Patents, they have a reversing spray arm in the making.
The disadvantage, for me, is that most of these systems only work for the lower basket, which only has to wash large pots and so forth. Small items, where swirling jets would be beneficial, still go in the upper rack that has a regular wash arm.
www.google.com/patents/EP2601878A... | ||
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Post# 695082 , Reply# 23 8/8/2013 at 06:50 (3,908 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Extra Crap on Dishwasher Racks I wholeheartedly agree Malcolm, most of all those fold down dividers and useless plastic things that allow you to load ONE PIECE OF SILVERWARE at a time to me just waste usable space and my time when loading the DW. I usually end up throwing them out and those stupid metal shelves in OTR microwave ovens, I put those directly in the recycling pile when I am installing a new MW in a rental property. | ||
| Post# 695268 , Reply# 25 8/9/2013 at 02:48 (3,907 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
It looks interesting cause I have that problem with my L.G. dishwasher.
Things will get clean on one side but not the other.I guess that it one reason the old Maytags were such great dishwasher's.You had torrents of water coming from everywhere plus having a powerful motor was a plus also.My L.G. is odd at times sometimes it cleans better in normal wash mode than pot's and pans.I now load it like a old Maytag with the big stuff on top and small on bottom.All in all my next washer will be a Miele or a old Kitchenaid.Its a hard choice for me cause I love both machines.I have one of those washarms from a Orbit G.E. new that came in a huge box of G.E. junk I snagged off of Ebay... | ||
| Post# 695496 , Reply# 26 8/10/2013 at 03:31 (3,906 days old) by mrwash () | ||
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Well, in our Neff dishwasher (part of Bosch-Siemens) everthing gets clean and it has one sprayarm and it just rotates in one direction. So I don't see the benefit of a reversing spray arm. | ||
| Post# 695593 , Reply# 28 8/10/2013 at 13:45 (3,905 days old) by spookiness (Alexandria VA) | ||
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I like the bottle wash idea. A bottle with a narrow opening is going to get missed otherwise. This is a good feature that I bet a lot of people will appreciate, what with baby bottles and the popularity of refillable water bottles, etc. Good idea lets hope it works out. | ||
| Post# 698581 , Reply# 29 8/24/2013 at 11:44 (3,891 days old) by Lightedcontrols () | ||
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I have two Miele dishwashers and a single drawer F&P dishwasher in my kitchen. I can run all three at the same time and you don't hear a thing. My Sub-Zero freezer is noisier! | ||
| Post# 698587 , Reply# 30 8/24/2013 at 12:06 (3,891 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I can't understand | ||
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Post# 698588 , Reply# 31 8/24/2013 at 12:09 (3,891 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I had a look at the GE website today. GE makes some very noisy dishwashers, sometimes they produce up to 64dB!! That's more than the new European Electrolux vacuum! I can't believe that they still sell these.
Not that my BOL Miele is totally silent with 48dB. My 18 year old AEG did better with 45dB, but I'm not complaining after what I read today. | ||
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Post# 698710 , Reply# 32 8/24/2013 at 22:29 (3,891 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Louis,
I don't think you can really compare US dishwashers to European ones. Have a look at this Maytag MDB7749SBM and compare it to a European Bosch. The longest cycle on a modern Bosch will take 3:15 hrs. and consume 1.8 gallons or 6.5 liters. Maytag's Normal cycle runs a little shorter but the water consumption...
Bosch's current Quick cycle will run for 1:05 hrs. and consume roughly three gallons or 12 liters. Maytag's Light cycle takes longer and needs more water. I won't even mention Maytag's Heavy Wash. As much as I would take a wonderful American dryer over my Bosch condenser dryer any day - I don't think there's really anything as quiet and efficient as a Euro dishwasher. Well, maybe Japanese units, but these people are living in the future anyway. ;-) (c)dishwashers.reviewed.com/content/... 
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Post# 698716 , Reply# 33 8/24/2013 at 22:44 (3,891 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 699536 , Reply# 34 8/28/2013 at 15:37 (3,887 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Um...IF that's full power | ||
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Post# 699547 , Reply# 35 8/28/2013 at 16:10 (3,887 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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Maybe if the damn thing washed | ||
| Post# 700027 , Reply# 37 8/30/2013 at 18:45 (3,885 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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about the bottles with narrow openings and older more powerf | ||
| Post# 700059 , Reply# 39 8/30/2013 at 20:12 (3,885 days old) by wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina) | ||
Asko
I know they have a bad rep in the us for service but if you get a good one OMG it uses 5 gallons of water on the longest cycle. I load as I like an always have every clean each time ... My partner has opened it at times thinking it was not washing but it was now he feels it ... nice and quiet built like a tank my asko lasted longer than my kitchen aid from 1989. I do miss that one but the asko is a great performer
Philippe | ||
| Post# 700147 , Reply# 40 8/31/2013 at 03:52 (3,885 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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I dont give a hoot! If its quiet, I would rather it be finished in 45 minutes and the dishes come out clean....like an old single arm Kitchen Aid!and who cares if it uses 15 gallons of water, thats cheaper than 2 hours of electricity, I wish someone would bring back a real dishwasher! | ||
| Post# 700320 , Reply# 43 8/31/2013 at 22:25 (3,884 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
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two hours for a modern cycle?Not my L.G. it takes at least 3 just to wash but I don't rinse at all.The cost would be much higher for our house.We have been replacing dishwasher's every 4 years or so when they used to last 14 or more. When our Maytag went or caught on fire it has been a ever 4 year some times three years when something would burn out like the motor or control panel.They have been falling apart on us ever sense and now this L.G. is going down the tubes.Miele is the only new one I would bother with... | ||
| Post# 700593 , Reply# 45 9/2/2013 at 09:57 (3,882 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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I like the bottle spray nozzles But as always there is no chance to have that here in Germany because present dishwasher builders are rather conservative with new features. Though they do change cycle times and water consumption over the years... | ||
| Post# 700596 , Reply# 46 9/2/2013 at 10:21 (3,882 days old) by machinehead () | ||
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1000 Euros? This is probably an idiot question, but are Miele's sehr toyer in The Old Country as well as in the States? A lot of currency for something billed as TOL in design and construction... | ||
| Post# 700600 , Reply# 47 9/2/2013 at 10:41 (3,882 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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2.000 euros more likely... ...I'd say. Madness! | ||
| Post# 700775 , Reply# 49 9/3/2013 at 05:30 (3,882 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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You'll have to admit... ...that there are BOL washers for 200 Euros, too. | ||
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Post# 700798 , Reply# 50 9/3/2013 at 09:07 (3,882 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I generally talked about Miele. But I never found a brand new dryer for 300$. I mean, the US is expensive, the EU not that much. It can be, but mussnt. | ||
| Post# 700800 , Reply# 51 9/3/2013 at 09:13 (3,882 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Míele Has always been more expensive than other brands, regardless of origin. | ||
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Post# 700804 , Reply# 52 9/3/2013 at 09:24 (3,881 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Yeah, but US machienes are ALL, no matter if E.Lux, Samsung, LG or others more expensive. And that means, a TOL US dryer coasts more then a TOL dryer here in the EU. | ||
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Post# 700811 , Reply# 53 9/3/2013 at 10:20 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 700823 , Reply# 55 9/3/2013 at 11:39 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I know what TOL and BOL means. I wondered what features make a dryer a TOL and what they lack if you want to call it a BOL.
It's hard to compare TOL dryers, perhaps it's easier to compare BOL ones, although it's still comparing apples and pears. As for the Bosch dishwashers, the TOL model in the Netherlands is 1499 euros. The TOL USA model is 1499 dollars. Maybe less features, but the most expensive American model is way cheaper than the most expensive Dutch model. | ||
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Post# 700854 , Reply# 57 9/3/2013 at 14:19 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Zeolith expensive? Perhaps Bosch charges a lot for it, but basically it's nothing more than a sort of clay!
If you compare prices, then compare them on similar sites. I used both the Dutch and the American Bosch sites. What do you mean by " then you couldn't even compare yours dishwashers with our dishwashers."? I'm in Europe too! I assume you mean between European and American dishwashers? Why are condenser dryers cheaper in Europe cheap? That's because they are very popular here, so they can be manufactured for a low price. If they were more popular in the USA, they would be cheaper there too. Water and electricity are way more expensive in Europe than in the USA. A little less efficient is hardly interesting. I can compare too: Cheap American dryer: www.sears.com/kenmore-6.5-cu-ft-e... Cheap European dryer: www.mediamarkt.de/mcs/product/BOM... The American dryer is much bigger and has a bigger heating element. Perhaps it makes more sense to compare what the average European pays for a dryer and what an average American does. | ||
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Post# 700897 , Reply# 61 9/3/2013 at 15:08 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Let's stick to one example, the mid range.
The AEG is €406.50. In American dollars that is $535.69 The Maytag is $599.99. So the Maytag is a bit more expensive. The AEG is a 7kg model. $535.69 : 7 = $76.53 per kg capacity. The Maytag with it's 7.4cu ft (210 liters!) capacity can at least dry 10kg of laundry. $599.99 : 10 = $59.99 per kg capacity. So per kg capacity the Maytag is much cheaper! | ||
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Post# 700901 , Reply# 62 9/3/2013 at 15:19 (3,881 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Yeah, but on price, it is cheaper, and really, is volume all that matters? IF the EU would need this size, it would be cheaper, too. And here we have 24 months warranty, the US only 12 months. | ||
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Post# 700904 , Reply# 63 9/3/2013 at 15:24 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Ofcourse the capacity matters!! A big fridge is more expensive than a small one too!
Don't bring the warranty into this matter, it depends on the store you buy things. Again it's comparing apples and pears. American stores are more tolerant when it comes to taking back things, much more than European stores. You have to know what you're comparing, otherwise it makes no sense at all! | ||
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Post# 700912 , Reply# 64 9/3/2013 at 16:15 (3,881 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Yeah, but as the WARRANTY is something other then takeing back things you bought. The warranty is written down in the German law, and of course, the companys will let you pay for that. While the US only has a 12 month warranty, they dont have that much warranty cals. And as it is know: YOU have to know what you are talking about. | ||
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Post# 701029 , Reply# 65 9/4/2013 at 03:35 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 701058 , Reply# 66 9/4/2013 at 07:31 (3,881 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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LG with 7.4 cu. ft. This is 210 litres as Louis stated correctly. I assume this is a lot bigger than the standard Euro dryers? | ||
| Post# 701091 , Reply# 68 9/4/2013 at 09:58 (3,880 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Back on topic So, is GE more a kind of a BOL manufacturer? As I've written, EU makers of appliances are more conservative when it comes to gimmickery... Or is there anything really new on IFA '13 besides less energy and water consumption? | ||
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Post# 701094 , Reply# 69 9/4/2013 at 10:03 (3,880 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Hasn't started up yet, but Miele will launch Series 6000 dishwashers, the new T1 washer/dryer generation probably. AEG launched new dishwashers with ca. 15 plate settings. Bosch has just some gimmicks, and Panasonic: I dont know.... | ||
| Post# 701098 , Reply# 70 9/4/2013 at 10:18 (3,880 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Panasonic dishwashers? I've read that they will have a joint venture with Gorenje... | ||
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Post# 701107 , Reply# 71 9/4/2013 at 10:41 (3,880 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 701115 , Reply# 72 9/4/2013 at 10:58 (3,880 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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That means... ...there is no rivalry to Míele? | ||
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Post# 701130 , Reply# 73 9/4/2013 at 12:38 (3,880 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Nope, not at all.... | ||
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Post# 701170 , Reply# 74 9/4/2013 at 14:55 (3,880 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 704055 , Reply# 75 9/19/2013 at 11:53 (3,865 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 705355 , Reply# 77 9/25/2013 at 18:42 (3,859 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 705752 , Reply# 78 9/27/2013 at 17:19 (3,857 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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A real Ameriacan TOL manufacturer is not available anymore on the American dishwasher market.
Not true at all. The USA is home to HOBART! While they only build commercial dishmachines, potwashers and glasswashers, their machines are better built and better performing than that of ANY other make domestic or commercial!
There is also the KitchenAid brand which are TOL domestic machines. Founded by Hobart and now a TOL WP line. WK78 | ||
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Post# 705756 , Reply# 79 9/27/2013 at 17:47 (3,857 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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| Post# 705813 , Reply# 81 9/27/2013 at 22:31 (3,857 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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I use it for storage.
We each have our preferences. A dishwasher can wash,and yes dry dishes cleaner and way more sanitary than hand washing. A dishwasher uses water hotter than human hands can stand along with near caustic detergents that dissolve away and clean dishes as well as mama.
No longer quicker than hand washing,but with four of us kids at home,the GE Mobile Maid did a lot less talking back. | ||
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Post# 705825 , Reply# 82 9/27/2013 at 23:00 (3,857 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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took just as long if not longer than washing the darn things | ||
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Post# 706018 , Reply# 84 9/28/2013 at 23:44 (3,856 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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Not sure what your point is, or why you come to a dishwasher thread when you don't use one, but I don't scrape or rinse my dishes and I don't dry them - my dishwasher does all that. In 160 degree water, put your hands in that. Why would I waste time and water doing dishes by hand? I have better things to do. | ||
| Post# 706042 , Reply# 87 9/29/2013 at 02:58 (3,856 days old) by xpanam (Palm Springs California ) | ||
TROLL ALERT!!!!! | ||
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Post# 706213 , Reply# 90 9/29/2013 at 22:53 (3,855 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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Don't feed the troll....
ignore mode on. | ||
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Post# 706424 , Reply# 91 9/30/2013 at 18:50 (3,854 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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And now..back to the regularly scheduled program | ||
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Post# 708977 , Reply# 93 10/13/2013 at 08:42 (3,842 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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A review | ||
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Post# 711192 , Reply# 94 10/24/2013 at 11:46 (3,830 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Its a gimmick
GE has never ever made a good dishwasher. They have always been from mediocre to down right criminally awful. All I see is a weak system, the same high volume low pressure and Im sure the filtration system are a few meshes put about here and there. Its fun to watch one of those pretend to clean, but Im still not seeing something serious. Contractors and builder however will have more easy false hope to show off, as they are the major buyers of GE.
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| Post# 711322 , Reply# 95 10/25/2013 at 07:52 (3,830 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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GE has never ever made a good dishwasher.
Au contraire--during the 70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines on the market. The GSD 1200 Potscrubber was the top. It wasn't until the reduced water usage, flimsier build, and general lack of interest by corporate for appliances did GE drop out of the running and was more or less reduced to "builder quality" machines.
The GE machine we have in the break room at work is a GE branded machine from China. It is quiet, takes half the day to do the cups and coffee pots, but does a decent job for the tasks it is assigned. Many take Mr writer's stance, It's easier to just hand wash them. | ||
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Post# 711332 , Reply# 96 10/25/2013 at 09:38 (3,829 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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"70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines"
Maybe in consumer reports, but there were models that out performed GE. Maytag, Whirlpool and Kitchen aid all had much better wash mechanisms.
Ive used a GSD 1200, and its not the same, yes better than a BOL, but still they were awfully sucky compared to others Ive used. They still have the pump the retains over half a gallon of water, weak shaded pole motor, rapid pre rinses, small filter system in the back that just drains through a weak check valve, pop up tower, high volume low pressure spray, a few large clumsy holes in the wash arm, a paper clip food chopper that usually just snaps off when something slightly hard goes through the oversized course filter. Older GEs also don't do a real thermal hold in the prewash, main wash and final rinse like Whirlpools. GE in the 70s briefly made a machine that had a wash arm on the upper rack and high water change outs to compensate for the water hold over however it seems they abandoned the design quickly even though they would make a machine that good for another 25 years. Now, a Maytag, Whirlpool power clean module, or Hobart Kitchen aid with a 1/3 or 1/2 HP induction motor, chopper, large active fine self cleaning filter, powerful chopper, and a wash module with many well thought out parts can not even come close to any machine GE has ever made. Even D&M machines that had no filtration still had much stronger motors and even managed to get a wash arm for the upper rack. Even the top of the line machines by GE in the 70 and 80s had the obnoxious pop up tower. They only existed because builders bought them and admitantly they made really really good ovens (they still do) and the filter flos were not bad machines either. But their Dishwashers were always toys, most still are. | ||
| Post# 711337 , Reply# 97 10/25/2013 at 11:51 (3,829 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Gee for 29 years I never knew I had it so bad.
I am not here to defend GE as myself had grown quite discouraged with them over the years. My saleslady at Sear's said "I will sell you a GE range as their cooking appliances are still great." "I will not sell you a water using appliance from GE."
GE's much disliked power tower was very useful for washing the upper rack and blasting the silverware basket. The tower could affect the loading flexibility, but it did allow for better clearance from lower to upper rack without having to have middle spray arm in the pre-tall tub machines. Their turbo pumps could deliver a lot of water in a very short amount of time. Those holes in the wash arm were large but the water still came out with a good amount of pressure. The only repairs I can attest to with the GEs were the motor/pump seal and a worn out timer. I replaced the last GE because of the timer issue, a new machine was cheaper than the new timer. I figured that a 15 year old machine something else was going to go soon, so I replace it. Granted after Maytag changed the confusing reverse rack system they were decent washers. I owned two Maytags a Jetclean that I regret leaving behind when I sold the house and a "Quiet series 300" that I never should have bought. (I was told to buy a Whirlpool sourced machine at the time of that purchase by the lady at Lowe's) The latter was towards the end of Maytag's independent life and was pretty much short lived crap. Was not then nor have I ever been the greatest fan of Whirlpool. Though I now own a Maytag-Whirlpool built Waher/Dryer and Kitchenaid, Whirlpool built dishwasher So far there have been no problems, knock stainless steel. | ||
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Post# 711365 , Reply# 98 10/25/2013 at 16:07 (3,829 days old) by YoGiTuNeS (New Jersey) |
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as Shania sang......a REGULAR ORIGINAL KNOW-IT-ALL.....translates into doesn't know JACK.....and hasn't since day one!!!....
definately explains why there's no credability!.... THAT DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH!.... as for a bottle washer in a dishwasher....something like this?..worthless!.....a true test of a bottle washing capability, as JohnL has mentioned before, with great thought, let a used bottle of ketchup sit out for a few days to dry out, and then place in any dishwasher, and judge the cleaning results..... I have done this in the UltraWash and DishDrawer, both times spotless.... is it always wise for a dishwasher to be too quiet?.....if the sensor doesn't catch it, how would you know that the spray arm is not spinning, until the cycle is complete, and you have to run it again!...I rather have some noise... | ||
| Post# 711371 , Reply# 100 10/25/2013 at 17:07 (3,829 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Back to bottles
I have washed many of baby bottles in the GE and Maytag machines and have not been disappointed with the results. Only time I had poor results is when they were placed in the back corner of the upper rack. Everywhere else seemed to do fine.
The only bottle type item I wash regularly now is the Salad Dressing Carafe, Since the KA machine has a middle spray arm it has no trouble getting it clean. Have dropped it in an unused section of the silverware basked before sparkling results. Wish I could put my Thermos bottle in the DW, I hate cleaning that thing. I usually just fill it with boiling water and put a tablespoon or so of Cascade in it and seal it up overnight, then rinse. | ||
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Post# 711430 , Reply# 101 10/25/2013 at 22:13 (3,829 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Thermal Hold one GE
Ok, I should have been more specific on the thermal hold. I do believe you because Ive seen the tech sheets myself to many older GE machines. I was referring to a real thermal hold, one where the timer actually breaks the contacts and waits for a thermostat to close the circuit in order to advance. Whirlpool, Maytag and Some Kitchen aids did this even on lower middle of the line models. This assures that the temperature will get up specs. GE simply did this with a cycle extender which was a thermal relay that would cycle open and closed when a contact(s) in the timer closed or/selection switches depressed in the console. Yes one might argue the machine wont get stuck, but that is very, very rare for a heating element to go in a dishwasher. Should it fail, you will be alerted on the first wash, where that may never happen on a GE. And with cold water it wont get stuck, it will just take a lot longer on real thermal hold machines giving an indication. Some middle and higher end Model GEs for the 80s did a thermal "slow down", a thermostat would remain closed for the thermal relay extending the main wash by about 15-20 minutes, and depressing the pot scrubber button would extend the main wash by about 20 minutes and with latter models doing about 10 minutes in the final rinse for pot scrubber. But that is not a real thermal hold and GE never did one in the prewash, main wash and final rinses. Usually the prewash thermal hold is not needed, but 2 real thermal holds make a huge difference. And Maytag and Whirlpool dint stop the motor either like Kitchen aid did. And just to comment since we are on the subject one thing that GE never had up until recently on plastic tub models was a thermal cutout for the heater. That alone speaks for the quality of the machines.
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