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Post# 696361   8/14/2013 at 02:20 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I had been loyal to my In-Sink-Erator Classic Supreme dishwasher, a KA 22 series clone, from the first day I installed it and gave the Thundering Thermador a swift kick all the way up to Oakland back in January of 2011.
Little did I know that on a run to the local ReStore just for kicks last week I'd find a beautiful TOL Miele Diamante in great shape complete with owner's manual. It was a new arrival. It was tempting. But it seemed a little pricey so I walked away.
Over the next couple of hours, recurring thoughts of the machine were making me anxious. It would match the other appliances in our kitchen so much better than the ISE. After consultation with one of our well-respected resident experts here who, as it happened, was equally excited, the decision was made. A quick run back to the ReStore and it was mine for a fraction of what it cost new.
Not a moment was wasted after the machine arrived at its new home. The ISE was summarily extracted and replaced by the Diamante. I wanted to be sure the machine had no problems within the time frame the ReStore's return policy allows.
It performed silently as it completed a test cycle. No issues or leaks. It was a keeper. Dave was thrilled with it, even though he doesn't do the dishes. He complained every time the ISE would be running while he was trying to watch TV in the breakfast room. He loves the Diamante.
I've processed a few loads through it since, and I'm smitten if not 100% hooked. Say what you will about vintage KitchenAids, but this 5-year old (at most) machine has proven it can out-clean them all. I'm a convert, although some may consider me a traitor. The last two loads contained crusty un-rinsed items that I know from experience the ISE would not have gotten clean. Even a pie dish containing crusty areas with cement-like adhesion that wouldn't budge with a metal utensil came out clean. The ISE would have been no match for such a challenge.
Take a look at this sleek European beauty: This post was last edited 08/14/2013 at 02:48 |
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Post# 696362 , Reply# 1   8/14/2013 at 02:21 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 696363 , Reply# 2   8/14/2013 at 02:23 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 696364 , Reply# 3   8/14/2013 at 02:24 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 696365 , Reply# 4   8/14/2013 at 02:26 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 696366 , Reply# 5   8/14/2013 at 02:28 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 696369 , Reply# 6   8/14/2013 at 02:40 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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The ISE is safely stored away in the shop.
I do not expect the Miele to provide 20 years of trouble-free performance like a classic Hobart designed machine can, so the ISE will be waiting in the wings.
Does a Miele have its quirks? Indeed. Does it require some behavior modification with loading? For sure. I can't BobLoad this thing like I could a vintage machine, there are no china guards, and the user must push the on/off button after the cycle has ended, which is a new practice to me.
I liken this change to that of switching from a top-load washer to a front-load. A front-loader requires more care and will last longer with regular maintenance, just like a fine car. It's no different with classic vs. contemporary dishwashers.
The bottom line is this: The Miele makes my glasses sparkle and handles tough challenges with ease, it uses the same hard water (but much less of it) that the ISE did, and doesn't require running the sink faucet to get the water hot first. Those are all reasons enough for me to hope this machine will last me a while. This post was last edited 08/14/2013 at 02:56 |
Post# 696410 , Reply# 8   8/14/2013 at 08:13 (3,901 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 696418 , Reply# 9   8/14/2013 at 08:49 (3,901 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I find that Miele makes a much better dishwasher than a washing machine. I easily disconnected the washer and dryer but could never give up my dishwasher. Their dishwashers are spot on! And while they do take up to 3 hours to complete the task, they are hush quiet about it and complete to perfection.
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Post# 696423 , Reply# 10   8/14/2013 at 09:25 (3,901 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 696459 , Reply# 11   8/14/2013 at 13:10 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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If I'm not mistaken, it can vary depending on soil level and/or water heating, but don't quote me on that. I haven't officially timed it yet, but last night's load seemed to come in at right around two hours.
As for why anyone would get rid of it, I can only speculate. We're talking Silicon Valley here, the wealthiest county in the U.S., and people have money to burn on everything from Teslas to trophy homes. Probably a house was purchased and the five year old kitchen was considered to be out of style, or the whole place was gutted down to the studs. |
Post# 696461 , Reply# 12   8/14/2013 at 13:17 (3,901 days old) by aladude ()   |   | |
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You got this at a RESTORE?!? I'm beyond jealous. |
Post# 696521 , Reply# 14   8/14/2013 at 18:07 (3,901 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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It's a 22 series clone, and would be most like a Patrician model if KA was still making them at that point.
This one has automatic water heating so there is no delay. No Soak & Scrub either. For a while it had been giving me trouble with spotting and rinse aid dispenser leakage (go figure). As I stated above, the Miele is using the same hard water supply and delivering sparkling glassware. I even reprogrammed the rinse aid dosage to dispense 2ml instead of the default 3ml and still got spotless results.
Here's a shot of the ISE: |
Post# 696653 , Reply# 15   8/15/2013 at 13:27 (3,900 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Welcome time wonderful world of Miele dishwashers. My LaPerla has the same wash system and a water softener added as well. My lower rack is a tad different than yours is I do find that they do hold a ton of dishes. Your machine should also alternate between wash arms...middle arm first then the bottom and top arms. These machines perform well and Miele stands behind what they sell. Your most intensive cycle should be Pots and Pans. I know with mine the wash pump is at the max and one can hear the scouring taking place and it raises the wash temp to 170 F. Nothing survives that kind of scouring and heat. Just make sure that once a month to check on the filter array and clean it out if you have to. Mine has a reminder that will nag me until I do it. My dishwasher is coming up on 6 years old now and only one repair in that timeframe that Miele good willed the parts. Had they not a wash pump assembly was a whopping $670 and the feed tubes were $100 a piece...I would be looking at a new machine for that price. And not a Miele.
But anywho once you get used to the racking and I know some have issues with the silverware tray...it took me a good week to get used to it...I group the silverware according to type like spoons, forks, knives and granted it does take some time to sort it out I do save time when I unload it and put the in the drawer. Very rarely I find something not clean. Enjoy! |
Post# 696830 , Reply# 16   8/16/2013 at 08:54 (3,899 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 696869 , Reply# 17   8/16/2013 at 13:51 (3,899 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I think the issue with BobLoading modern dishwashers is that their wash arms don't spew the same volume of water as vintage ones. I stacked a medium sized dish on top of a smaller one in the lower rack, and it didn't come clean even though it was positioned in a way that, if it were in the ISE, it would have been hit with enough spray to emerge clean.
It seems careful placement is the key to success with BobLoading a modern machine that uses less water. It will be a fun challenge trying to find the right configuration to effectively get all contents of a BobLoad clean in this machine. I need to study the owner's guide more with regard to placement and loading techniques. The rack configurations are literally foreign compared to what I had become accustomed to with the ISE.
On the flip side, since the Miele uses less water than the ISE, so I don't have to feel guilty about running it when it's not fully loaded. |
Post# 696870 , Reply# 18   8/16/2013 at 13:57 (3,899 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Post# 696873 , Reply# 19   8/16/2013 at 14:07 (3,899 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 696875 , Reply# 20   8/16/2013 at 14:19 (3,899 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Yes, the blocky device. It shouldn't lay flat at all. Its long axis should be vertical with one hose connection on the top and the other on the bottom. Mine was originally installed with the water protection device on the floor and it conked out after 2 years. The valves inside fault out, and while the hose can replaced without the need for a service tech it's still a $200+ part.
Think of it this way: the protection device should be oriented like a book standing upright on a bookshelf versus laying flat on a table. I wish I had a photo of mine. I'll see if I can find one to help clarify. |
Post# 696877 , Reply# 21   8/16/2013 at 14:29 (3,899 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Post# 696878 , Reply# 22   8/16/2013 at 14:33 (3,899 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Post# 696879 , Reply# 23   8/16/2013 at 14:37 (3,899 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 696884 , Reply# 24   8/16/2013 at 15:02 (3,899 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Post# 696907 , Reply# 25   8/16/2013 at 17:18 (3,899 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I took a look and my hose presents a problem. The protection assembly is right at the end of the hose by the connector for the supply. I'll have to install an elbow to position it vertically. As it sits now, there's a double violation. It's horizontal and the larger flat side is in the same plane as the floor.
This isn't a huge deal to correct. One of the fittings I had to use in order to adapt to the garden hose connector type appears to have a defect that no amount of teflon tape will fix, creating a very slow drip. I was planning to tend to that issue anyway.
I guess now it's just verifying whether it matters which direction to aim the elbow. |
Post# 696955 , Reply# 26   8/16/2013 at 19:53 (3,898 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I took a look in the owner's manual and in the back there's a warning about cutting the inlet line since it has electrical components running through it. The drawing showed the box assembly with the connector at the top, so that's how I worked it.
As you can see, adapters were necessary for the initial connection because the original supply line from some 40 years ago used a flare fitting. It seemed prudent not to mess with the elbow coming out of the supply valve. The leak was happening between the two brass fittings that are now separated by the galvanized street elbow. I used galvanized because I had a couple of non-Chinese ones around and decided to save myself a trip to Orchard Supply.
In the picture below, you can see that there's still a small leak where the male end of the street ell is fitted into the brass flare- to-MIP adapter, but it's barely a drop every 30 minutes compared to at least a couple of drops per minute before. Using the galvanized fitting helped quite a bit. That brass adapter is clearly suspect, but I think the leak is so slow that it will "take up" fairly quickly. I'll keep an eye on it. |
Post# 696956 , Reply# 27   8/16/2013 at 19:58 (3,898 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Been looking at some installation instructions and it doesn't state anything as to how the WPS housing is to be installed. Just warns against cutting into the hose (as it contains electrical components) or crushing the hoses when pushing the unit into place.
As far as Mike's comment on water pressure goes: am not sure but at least in Germany, only the top four out of 15 models have variable spray pressure. Interestingly though, every model has the sensor wash, which only comes on the LaPerla in the US. Wonder why that is? Do a Google search on "Miele dishwasher BobLoad" to get some ideas - most pictures are from here, actually! Alex |
Post# 697336 , Reply# 28   8/18/2013 at 20:00 (3,896 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Ralph the way you have your water protection device installed looks correct. Nice job. Patrick figured out why the valves might fail if they were laid down horizontal but I can't remember what the logic was.
Do you know your local water hardness? The salt indicator might come on if it detects the hardness is at or above 4ppm...I think. Our hardness here is only 0.5-1.0ppm so the built-in water softener doesn't require salt. If you do have soft water watch the dosing on rinse aid. I've noticed anything over a setting of 2 will give a frothy final rinse. Right now it's set at 1 and things seem to be okay using Finish Jet Dry. Have also had the best luck using Ecover tablets. Maybe it's because they're formulated in Europe for European machines, I dunno, but they work fantastic in my Miele. Stainless steel pots and pans come out shinier than anything else can get them, no glass etching, plastics aren't chalky. My machine has the information display including the timer, so if you are curious as to how long any of the cycles *should* take let me know and I can check them. |
Post# 697345 , Reply# 29   8/18/2013 at 20:39 (3,896 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 697353 , Reply# 30   8/18/2013 at 21:45 (3,896 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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David, thanks for the tips. My machine doesn't have water softening capability but so far it hasn't proved to be an issue. I know the water here is fairly hard, but the Miele seems to take it in stride.
I'm currently using my stock of phosphated Cascade along with clear Cascade rinse agent. I bumped the dosage down to 2ml because I was catching a whiff of rinse aid after running a cycle. Glassware is still sparkling, so I might give 1ml a shot and see how it does. The true test will come after I run out of phosphated detergent.
Meanwhile, the Diamante continues to impress. It even made knives that had been used for peanut butter sparkle. That has never happened before with any dishwasher I've owned.
We were puzzled by the "Rinse" light (not the rinse aid refill light) when the machine first ran and thought something could be wrong. Since the washer completed its cycles and all dispensers were activated as per usual, I assumed this indicator light was normal during the wash phase and your photo seems to confirm it, but there is nothing specific about it in the owner's guide. |
Post# 697362 , Reply# 31   8/18/2013 at 22:25 (3,896 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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The "Rinse" light is a bit of a misnomer. It means rinse in the sense of a shower, as in when the machine is circulating sprays of water versus ceasing action for a drying phase.
Glad to hear all is well and that you're enjoying the machine. The Pots and Pans program has yet to disappoint me on anything I've thrown at it. The top/3rd tier tray becomes so essential that you wonder what you did without it. In one of the photos above of the lower rack it appears some of the tines are bent and out of alignment. When aligned don't be surprised by how closely the plate racks are spaced. Packs 'em in and still does a marvelous job. European machines have an impressive capacity once you figure out their nuances. My mom had a Swedish Asko for years and could cram more into that thing than she can in her current modern (3 years old?) KitchenAid Superba. |
Post# 697388 , Reply# 32   8/18/2013 at 23:46 (3,896 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Thanks for clearing things up about the rinse light. I had a feeling it meant exactly what you said it does. I'm still getting used to the tines and what to load where, but I did straighten out most of them since taking the picture above. They can use a little more tweaking but I need to spend more time with the owner's manual to learn a little more about loading strategies.
I'm getting used to the third rack for utensils. It's a better system than just fitting large ones like tongs and spatulas into the upper rack as is the case with most dishwashers. Some are too tall to place in the traditional utensil basket and will end up blocking the upper rack from being pulled outward. Miele solved that problem with the third tier. I also like unloading the top tier. With either system, you're spending extra time on the front or back end. With a basket, you can drop things pretty much anywhere, but sorting through it when putting things away takes time. With the third rack, "nesting" when loading is the rule rather than the exception, but it makes putting away clean items a snap.
The upper (middle) rack seems like a free-for-all. So far I haven't been able to load it as tightly as on the ISE.
When I checked the guide, it appeared the pots & pans cycle omitted a portion of the wash cycle, which seemed odd. I'll review that again as well. So far I haven't had the need to use that cycle, but it's only a matter of tine.
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Post# 697422 , Reply# 33   8/19/2013 at 02:49 (3,896 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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With mine the Pots and Pans cycle and the Heavy/Intensive cycles take a rinse away after the first Prewash. Thats because it adds more water to the other portions of the cycle to maintain the water pressure boost. It will still use 6 gallons regardless and everything comes out clean. Now the other thing is that I know with mine that every cycle will vary in time. A normal cycle will take about 2 hrs and 10 mins on average. I have seen times where it has been under 2 hours, but with mine it takes into account at how hot the water is coming into the dishwasher. One thing is thatif your water is already piping hot your cycle times will reduce.
The top rack you will find that it does hold alot of silverware and utensils but be aware of that top arm...it doesnt take much to stop it. What I do with spatulas and big long handled items is that they go into the middle rack and they wash beautifully. If I wash an all pots and pans load I will remove the top tray inserts and drop the upper rack to its lowest point then I can do lids in the upper rack along withe bowls and whatnot and that top arm scours like crazy. In time you will figure out your racking and where to put items...it does take time and I know with mine its amazing how much it can hold. |
Post# 697907 , Reply# 34   8/21/2013 at 14:52 (3,894 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Right now, in addition to loading strategies my learning curve has come to include detergent dosage.
Last night I chose the Pots & Pans cycle for the first time. It worked beautifully on the target items and seemed to get the job done in less than 2.5 hours, but I noticed a definite clouding effect on glassware. This isn't fancy stuff, just heavy everyday tumbler type glasses and the coffee carafe. I've become so used to filling both cups on the ISE that I think maybe I'm using too much by doing the same thing with the Miele considering how much less water it uses per fill. It's evident that the cups are proportionally smaller, so I presumed a full main wash cup wouldn't be an overdose.
I know the basic rule of thumb is to use less detergent if there's less soiling, but I'm wondering where to draw the line and if there's ever much need to fill both of the Miele's cups to capacity. Any advice on how much to use would be appreciated. I'm happy to conserve my remaining supply of phosphated Cascade by using less if I can get away with it.
This may be a trial & error process since the water supply is fairly hard, but I'm going to start using less with the next load, and may not bother with any detergent for the pre-wash. |
Post# 697935 , Reply# 36   8/21/2013 at 17:42 (3,894 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC )   |   | |
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I've found detergent needs to be dosed quite carefully in my La Perla II. I keep it to 20cc for a normal load and 30 cc for a pots and pans load, plus about 5cc in the prewash cup. Fill the cup is way too much soap. They use enough less water that less is better.
That's a great machine, btw. The silver tray is my favourite feature. So easy to put things away from. HTH, Todd |
Post# 697941 , Reply# 37   8/21/2013 at 18:52 (3,894 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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With our very soft municipal water it only takes about 1 TBSP (or 20 mL at most) to clean a full load on the Normal program, or one detergent tablet. The only time I use detergent for the prewash is on the Pots & Pans program, and even then it only takes about 1/2-1 tsp to do the job.
The detergent dispenser cup should have little markings in it to indicate how full it is. Try starting with the lowest amount and increase from there until you have results that work for you. You should be able to get perfectly clean dishes without cloudy glassware. |
Post# 697945 , Reply# 38   8/21/2013 at 19:08 (3,894 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Well for starters never load glassware into a load that you intend to use the Pots and Pans cycle...in a word the high temp and detergent will = etching and very bad etching at that. Thats the cloudiness you are seeing in your glassware. Remember this machine is a different animal and has no problem reaching target temps. It will heat water rather fast since it has the water heater inside the wash pump.
When I use the Pots and Pans cycle I use it just for that..pots and pans. If you have glassware involved then I would use the Normal cycle in your case. For mine I use the Heavy/Intensive cycle and add a Soak option to it.You could try the Sani Cycle and see how that does. I will have to look at the manual to see the max temps. Also the tech from Miele told me that the All in One pacs from Finish like the PowerBalls and Cascade Platinum are too much detergent for the machine. I have been using powder Somat and the new Proxi tabs with great results. |
Post# 697949 , Reply# 39   8/21/2013 at 19:59 (3,893 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 697954 , Reply# 40   8/21/2013 at 20:29 (3,893 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Thanks for all of the excellent input. I'll be ratcheting back the dosage for sure. No more in the pre-wash cup and only to the lowest mark for the main wash. Yay! My phosphated powder will last longer! Or do phosphates even matter with this machine?
Lesson learned with regard to appropriate contents when using the pots & pans cycle.
I don't currently use tabs but if I eventually do, my machine has no "tabs" setting and instead the user guide advises to set the rinse aid dispenser to zero. Easy enough.
Vintage is cool to look at, but at the end of the day it has to be about results. It's been two weeks almost to the minute since this machine was installed, and I think I can safely say I'm already spoiled. |
Post# 697977 , Reply# 41   8/21/2013 at 21:37 (3,893 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Yes, these machines do use less water but also keep in mind that there is still grease that needs to be washed off the dishes. To me, less water only means a more concentrated grease solution. I tried less detergent in my water-efficient Bosch and I ended up with drops of grease in the sump after the final rinse.
I get the best results with Quantum tabs. I might even put a few drops of liquid dishwashing detergent on the door for the prewash - zero suds and keeps the grease from gunking up the drain hose etc. while the machine washes. Used to put fancy Rosenthal glasses in with pots and pans on the autoHeavy cycle (up to 167F) all the time and never had problems with etching. Cheap glasses would etch over the years, though. |
Post# 697978 , Reply# 42   8/21/2013 at 21:52 (3,893 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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I usually tell the dishwasher what kind of detergent it will be using and I was surprised that the tech told me that...so I posed the question...the why give the customer the option in choosing between powder, gel, 2n1 tabs, 3n1 tabs when its too much of a dosage for the machine? He didnt know what to say. I still use the PowerBalls and the all in one Pacs from Cascade. They work and work well. Phosphated detergents the dishwasher loves.
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Post# 697981 , Reply# 43   8/21/2013 at 22:16 (3,893 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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1. Marketing. Some manufacturer came up with the idea to sell a machine with a tab option because detergent tabs outsell powders. So it only made sense, in the consumer's mind, to have a dishwasher that is optimized for tablets.
2. The x-in-one option, on some dishwashers, will decrease the amount of water taken in for the interim rinse, thus more rinse aid (surfactants) from the detergent can be carried over into the final rinse and won't get washed away. The final rinse it heated to a higher temp to increase drying effectiveness and the drying cycle is prolonged. |
Post# 697992 , Reply# 44   8/21/2013 at 23:24 (3,893 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC )   |   | |
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Post# 698215 , Reply# 45   8/22/2013 at 17:34 (3,893 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Now I know that you said that the machine cant be "Bobloaded" here are a few pics of mine from tonight. I do realize that my lower rack is different from yours but you get the idea. I used Somat powder detergent and did not rinse at all...as you can tell. I will post pics of after the cycle is finished.
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Post# 698216 , Reply# 46   8/22/2013 at 17:35 (3,893 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 698217 , Reply# 47   8/22/2013 at 17:35 (3,893 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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top rack...now with this rack I group the silverware as you can see ..its a bit of work sorting but it makes for easy unloading and into the drawer easier when they are clean. My silverware has chunky handles and dont fit handles in and heads out. I load heads in...I hope that makes sense as thats the only way to explain it.
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Post# 698218 , Reply# 48   8/22/2013 at 17:37 (3,893 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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The cycle of choice is Normal. Now on this display it will show me estimated cycle time in this case 2 hrs and 2 mins. After the first intake of water the dishwasher will sense how hot the water is and how big the load is by how much water it takes to wet the load. It will add water to keep the pump from cavitating. I went into the cycle paramaters and used the more water setting which adds another 16 oz of water per fill. So that said after the first prewash the sensor system will either add time or reduce it. I have seen some Normal cycles take 2 hrs and 30 mins long to less than 1 hour and 35 mins at the least.
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Post# 698220 , Reply# 49   8/22/2013 at 17:38 (3,893 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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My gorgeous beauty. This dishwasher has been relatively easy to keep the outside clean. The panel is flat glass and no buttons to get in the way of cleaning the control. The stainless steel though is a bitch. One has to go with the grain and the upper control panel area show fingerprints very easily. But to me that is a non issue. It looks like it belongs in this spot and matches the countertop well.
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Post# 698253 , Reply# 50   8/22/2013 at 19:29 (3,892 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Thanks Mike! Your machine does look beautiful, and like it belongs there.
I noticed the configuration of the bottom rack is different on yours, turned 90 degrees from how mine loads. I'll be getting the hang of maximizing contents as I go along. So far I haven't followed the instructions about placement of spoons with handles toward the center. Everything is loaded with handles outward. I don't see what difference it could make unless I had a lot of silverware to wash and reversing the spoons helped with maximizing space.
I'm contemplating a fairly light load for tonight or tomorrow night. On Saturday I'm planning to use a wok that's been hanging above the stove for a very long time and has a sticky coating of grease all over it. I'll have to wash the wok by hand because it's not dishwasher safe, but the lid is equally sticky and I'm sending that through the Miele. I don't think it calls for the pots & pans cycle but there's only one way to find out! |
Post# 698577 , Reply# 52   8/24/2013 at 11:31 (3,891 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Mark, thanks for that vote of confidence. I hope you're right!
I did the wok lid load on the normal cycle and the lid came out still sticky on top. I'm a little afraid to use the pots & pans cycle until I figure out the current draw. The one time I used it thus far, I noticed a sort of musty smell in the under-sink cabinet and it seemed warm in there as well. I traced the heat and odor (again, a musty/dusty smell, not an electrical smell) to the small dedicated breaker box that controls the outlet for the dishwasher. The box contains an old school glass-encased 20-amp fuse, which was fairly hot to the touch.
If anyone can advise on where I might find technical data, I'd appreciate it. Clearly the pots & pans cycle makes regular, if not uninterrupted use of the heating element and seems to be stressing out the electrical supply. |
Post# 698664 , Reply# 53   8/24/2013 at 17:46 (3,891 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Under "Specifications" in the installation guide for your model it says: "The dishwasher comes equipped with a 4 ft (1.2 m) power cord with a molded plug for connection to 120 V, 60 Hz, 15 A grounded receptacle."
Does that help with regard to power draw? With regards to utilities usage it also says: Electric: 0.01 - 1.23 kWh Water: 1.3 - 6.3 gal (5 - 24 l) If you don't already have the manual you can get a PDF of it from Miele. CLICK HERE TO GO TO zipdang's LINK |
Post# 698703 , Reply# 56   8/24/2013 at 21:47 (3,890 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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rp2813 One more thing....try the china crystal cycle on lightly soiled or small loads. It uses the soil sensor takes less time than normal and It works very well even if you are not washing china! |
Post# 698727 , Reply# 57   8/25/2013 at 00:52 (3,890 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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One thing with my dishwasher, I went into the "settings" where one can change the type of detergent etc, there is a setting for the sensor to turn it on or off. I have it turned on so its on every cycle, not just sensor cycle. I went into the "service mode" and went into Water Plus and have the More setting on. Jerrod you might want to see if you have that option for the sensor, it adjust every cycle and ensures proper washing. Mine also adjust at every water intake for the water softener. Our water runs about 10d to 11d in the summer and up to 13d in the winter. But not more than that.
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Post# 698728 , Reply# 58   8/25/2013 at 01:10 (3,890 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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One more thing before I forget is to make sure you go online to miele.com and register your machine. It saves time if you ever need service and they stand behind what they make. I am quite impressed by them and the level of service I got. The service charge was $180 and since my issue was fixed, the dishwasher has been flawless.
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Post# 698741 , Reply# 59   8/25/2013 at 02:30 (3,890 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Thanks for the advice. I'll take another look at the sequences for "short" and "light" cycles.
I didn't think of registering my machine since I'm not the original owner and it's out of warranty. I wonder whether they can tell me where it was before, at least the city or town -- if the previous owner registered it.
I don't think I have the same capability on my machine for sensor settings and more water. If I do, it would be accomplished by pushing a series of buttons and counting flashing lights, but the only thing I saw in the owner's guide that could be changed that way was the rinse aid dosage.
I'll get the info off of my machine's tag and see about registering it on line. |
Post# 698748 , Reply# 60   8/25/2013 at 04:34 (3,890 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 698767 , Reply# 61   8/25/2013 at 09:06 (3,890 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I went to the setting menu and there is a setting that says "adjust sensor wash" the options are on and off. Mine is set to off. Is this the setting you are talking about? |
Post# 698768 , Reply# 62   8/25/2013 at 09:08 (3,890 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I don't have my manual handy but I am probably using the wrong cycle name because I have the Dw language display set to GB. If it is not economy then it was the cycle named Energy save. One thing though is that you have a newer model and don't think the cycles behave the same on the newer DW. |
Post# 698770 , Reply# 63   8/25/2013 at 09:16 (3,890 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 698836 , Reply# 64   8/25/2013 at 14:11 (3,890 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 698871 , Reply# 67   8/25/2013 at 18:48 (3,890 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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