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Thread Number: 4820
NEW! - Frigidaire Affinity |
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Post# 107069 , Reply# 1 1/31/2006 at 20:02 (6,652 days old) by sudsmaster  (SF Bay Area, California) |
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This looks like a warmed over version of the existing Frigidaire front loader, with a circular instead of a square front door. The capacity is identical, and the lack of an internal water heater is also notable. For the price, I'd go first for the GE FL, which leaves both Whirlpool and Frigidaire in the dust, with its internal water heater and larger capacity. | ||
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Post# 107304 , Reply# 4 2/2/2006 at 01:52 (6,650 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I understand the the TOL new Frigidaire FL does have an internal heater. It is viewable on the Frigidaire/Electrolux website
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sudsmaster's LINK | ||
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Post# 107315 , Reply# 5 2/2/2006 at 07:09 (6,650 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 108210 , Reply# 7 2/6/2006 at 15:23 (6,646 days old) by tgodel () | ||
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The 7000 is back up on the Frigidaire site. Now they are both shown. --T | ||
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Post# 108337 , Reply# 9 2/7/2006 at 12:00 (6,645 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 108338 , Reply# 10 2/7/2006 at 12:03 (6,645 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 108437 , Reply# 12 2/7/2006 at 22:18 (6,645 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Frigidaire appliances; but you definitely nailed it on the head with your 'pure marketing crap' comment. It rinses just like any other FL'er does, with changes of fresh water. OR....perhaps Frigidaire has come up with a way to extract all the detergent and other chemicals from the wash water and reuse it for the rinses, LOL! | ||
| Post# 108453 , Reply# 13 2/7/2006 at 23:49 (6,644 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
The new 3.5 Frigidaires dont always fill the tub from a waterfall flume like the smaller ones do. Water enters between the inner and outer tubs - this is where the detergent bleach and softener are dispensed, which I really like. On most rinses, depending on cycle, water also enters the tub from a 12 o'clock position, showering the clothes. That is what ART is. It is a very good fill system I think, but some marketing geek went bananas in calling it that and then not explaining it well. I just got the square door model and am pissed that a Frigidaire with a heater is released one month later. Darn!
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| Post# 108503 , Reply# 16 2/8/2006 at 07:32 (6,644 days old) by the7 () | ||
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Tilted drums or true H-axis drums? Do they have tilted drums or true H-axis drums? If tilted, what is the tilted angle? | ||
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Post# 108512 , Reply# 17 2/8/2006 at 09:18 (6,644 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Frigidaire FL'ers have never had an angled drum. I'm willing to bet the farm the Affinity doesn't, either. golittlesport-- I feel your pain; I bought the new-issue iMac in November and a few weeks ago they released a newer model using Intel chips. I also bought an iPod about 2 months before the video iPod came on the market. Bad timing! Fortunately, even though I've had 'new washer fever' for a few months, I held off. Now I can pick up an Affinity. | ||
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Post# 108520 , Reply# 18 2/8/2006 at 11:10 (6,644 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 108577 , Reply# 19 2/8/2006 at 18:53 (6,644 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Rich, I"m glad you clarrified ART. If you hadn't posted, I was gonna ask JetCone to explain it, that really interested him when the 3.5 cu. ft. models came out early last year and knowing Jon, he would have gotten to the bottom of the marketing crap poste haste. Rich, can ya return them and get the 7000? | ||
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Post# 108578 , Reply# 20 2/8/2006 at 18:55 (6,644 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 108584 , Reply# 21 2/8/2006 at 19:21 (6,644 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 108592 , Reply# 22 2/8/2006 at 19:56 (6,644 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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This is my BIGGEST frustration with FrigiLux laundry equipment. THE DRYER DRUM IS TOO DAMN SMALL! Almost every other manufacturer has a drum close to or at 7.0 cubic ft. My 3.1 washer drum's largest loads max out my 5.7 cu. ft. dryer drum. I always split my dark colors load (which is about all I wear) into shirts, then pants. If I threw the whole load in at once, it would come out needing ironing in a major way. Everytime I think I'm going to break down and get a TOL Duet pair, I hear about it taking 15 minutes to go into a spin, etc. and I revert back to getting another Frigidaire pair. I know they're passe, but I still like the flexibility of having a mechanical timer, too. That's another thing I'd be giving up by replacing my current set. Even though it's not something I do often, I'd rather have the option of adding wash time or jumping ahead in a cycle. This, of course, can't be done with an electronically controlled machine. Don't you have to cancel a cycle, then start over again with a different cycle? Or am I wrong (god knows it wouldn't be the first time...)? | ||
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Post# 108633 , Reply# 24 2/8/2006 at 22:01 (6,644 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Its not bearing noise when you spin the drum But instead its Brush noise from the motor. | ||
| Post# 108648 , Reply# 25 2/8/2006 at 23:55 (6,643 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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remember...with a bigger dryer drum comes a bigger footprint. This is about the only large capacity front loading pair that will fit under a counter or stacked in a standard laundry closet. The only loads I have to split are jeans. I can wash 8-10 pairs, but I split that into two dryer loads so they don't wrinkle.
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Post# 108700 , Reply# 27 2/9/2006 at 15:47 (6,643 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC ) |
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Post# 108717 , Reply# 29 2/9/2006 at 18:45 (6,643 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 108722 , Reply# 30 2/9/2006 at 19:02 (6,643 days old) by srswirl () | ||
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Yes appnut... I said the exact same thing on THS...you have to wonder if someone is monitoring the forums to gauge the market as far as pricing goes. I feel paranoid saying this...but it does make one wonder... | ||
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Post# 108736 , Reply# 31 2/9/2006 at 19:44 (6,643 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Market Testing Is Not Uncommon
Many times items will enter the market at once price then gradually creep up as demand proves the maker may have a "winner". Almost always there is a range within the MSRP that has been caculated where an item needs to be to make "X" amount of profit/sales. If one recalls Kenmore/Sears is famous for having appliances start low then go higher. Then there is the bit about having two slightly different models, one of which is almost always on "sale". Low ball pricing also helps spur demand and consumers will rush to pick up a "great item as such a low price". As word spreads of course the price goes up leaving late comers paying more, so the appliance makers makes back any money lost by reducing prices from the start. L. | ||
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Post# 108761 , Reply# 32 2/9/2006 at 21:21 (6,643 days old) by nurdlinger (Tucson AZ) |
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I don't know about forum watching | ||
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Post# 108764 , Reply# 33 2/9/2006 at 21:43 (6,643 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 108766 , Reply# 34 2/9/2006 at 22:03 (6,643 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Frigidaire Affinity
I saw it today at PC Richards. It is sturdier than the previous model. The only things I didn't like is that it doesn't have a prewash or soak cycle and no rinse / spin cycle. But it does have a spin only. The drum interior looks the same but I wonder if the door boot problem with retaining water will be resolved on this model. Both my mother and sister have the current model GLTF2940E and my sister just had it repaired the machine just died. The repair person said problem was due to a loose wire. Problem resolved but still to new to have that problem after less than one year old. Peter | ||
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Post# 108768 , Reply# 35 2/9/2006 at 22:16 (6,643 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 108792 , Reply# 36 2/10/2006 at 02:50 (6,642 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 108813 , Reply# 37 2/10/2006 at 07:57 (6,642 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 109502 , Reply# 39 2/13/2006 at 13:00 (6,639 days old) by tgodel () | ||
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Thank you!!! SRSwirl, Awesome job on the heater research!!! --Trip | ||
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Post# 109599 , Reply# 42 2/13/2006 at 19:58 (6,639 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Yes Bob you are right sir!
Give that man a big Texas Star! ART is/was patented in 1937 by Bendix-spray/drain rinse technology!! I checked into that pronto when they first introduced it at the end of 2004. It is a very good feature I am not knocking it but it was already pioneered here. However I doooo like this machine, hmm maybe the Cape needs a new machine for the tennants????? | ||
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Post# 109613 , Reply# 43 2/13/2006 at 20:40 (6,639 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 109758 , Reply# 46 2/14/2006 at 11:56 (6,638 days old) by the7 () | ||
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According to the reply, the heater only works in the Sanitary Cycle. Does it maintain the Sanitary temp during the rest of the wash phase? Apparently no. Seemingly most FL only use the heater in a few setting, like Boost Hot and Sanitary. | ||
| Post# 110080 , Reply# 47 2/16/2006 at 08:34 (6,636 days old) by christd1 () | ||
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Heater vs energy usage I would think the issue with having the heater engaged to maitain temp on all cycles is that it would lead to a competitively less energy efficient machine. | ||
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Post# 110088 , Reply# 48 2/16/2006 at 09:25 (6,636 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Heat v Energy
I think you hit the nail on the head with this one, If energy issues are crucial, (of which they are worldwide) then surely this has a massive implication for the USA. Imagine all those new front loaders drawing current to heat the water(even if it is a smaller amount). This must have more of an implication than using water and no heat in a TL I would say...What do you think?? Mike | ||
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Post# 110121 , Reply# 49 2/16/2006 at 15:10 (6,636 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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It takes a certain amount of energy input to raise the temp of a given quantity of water to a target temp. Lower current or gas flow for a longer time, or higher current or gas flow for a shorter time. A 110-volt water heating element in the washer pulls less instantaneous current than a 240-volt element in a water heater, but the end result is about the same. Instantaneous current draw (demand) is of concern to power companies. Overall power usage is low, but power companies must have reserve capacity for those brief periods of high current being pulled. My tankless unit sits all day not pulling any power except for the circuit board and LCD, then it may jump to 6KW for 10 mins while I have a shower. Or 25KW for 3 to 4 mins for a 140°F EcoActive wash.
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Post# 110610 , Reply# 50 2/19/2006 at 12:05 (6,633 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Score one for the Neptune
My Neptune 7500 engages the boost heater for all cycles and all water temperature selections, as long as the heater is enabled via a setup menu selection. I actually would have preferred an option to enable or disable the heater for each favorite custom cycle definition, and it would probably not have been difficult for Maytag to include that option. But, as it is, I think the power draw of having the heater enabled to maintain target temp for all cycles isn't a huge energy draw, and it helps to maintain consistent wash results. I also think that 110 volt internal washer heater electricity consumption is rather insignificant when compared to the dual 220 elements most electric tank-type water heaters utilize. And an argument could be made that putting the heater in the washer where the energy is actually needed, is more efficient than heating a larger amount of water and storing it remotely, where energy will be lost to the surrounding air over time both through the tank walls and plumbing pipe walls, even if heavily insulated. That is, if the storage water heater is also electric. For a gas powered water heater, it's probably a draw. | ||
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Post# 111008 , Reply# 52 2/20/2006 at 21:55 (6,632 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 112592 , Reply# 57 2/28/2006 at 18:48 (6,624 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 113001 , Reply# 62 3/2/2006 at 23:23 (6,622 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Frigidaire Affinity
I have checked out the new Frigidaire Affinity and like it but I am not in complete agreement with the cycle configuration. The normal and heavy should be the same. The soil level should modify the wash time. I think their should be a regular rinse / spin button even though this can be obtained with the spin only button. I also feel their should be a prewash or soak cycle. The thing that gets me about all these new front load machines like the Affinity 7000 is they only heat on the sanitary cycle. I think this should be a option on most cycles. For example if you want a warm wash you should be able to choose from tab water or have the machine heat to 40 degrees celicous. Only my 2 cents. Peter | ||
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