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15kg LG washer launched in Germany |
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Post# 698839 , Reply# 2   8/25/2013 at 14:35 (3,868 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)   |   | |
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LG had an enormous frontloader when I still lived in Germany back in the late '90s - 2000's. It had the control panel on the rear of the top panel like a US toploader and it also had the detergent dispenser on the top. The drum was huge as was the rest of the machine but most of it looked to be made of cheap plastic. I was impressed by the commercial-grade size but went with the Miele instead. I believe it cost something like DM 1800,- back then.
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Post# 698840 , Reply# 3   8/25/2013 at 14:41 (3,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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Yes I often laugh when I see "10 year" guarantee on the motor, but of course there is no 10 year guarantee on the seal so when this fails and the bearings go and then take the motor with them the guarantee is useless, misplaced specmanship designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
A sad state of affairs Yours tired of crap ;-( |
Post# 698841 , Reply# 4   8/25/2013 at 14:45 (3,868 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)   |   | |
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Nothing more than a marketing gimmick really. The average consumer sees the big "10 year guarantee" and thinks it applies to the whole machine, not thinking or knowing that the seals/bearings are much more likely to fail long before the motor does. P.T. Barnum summed up the way most companies think today when he said "there's a sucker born every minute".
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Post# 698847 , Reply# 5   8/25/2013 at 15:01 (3,868 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Yeap, it's around 1300 bugs up here, so matching price at all. But if I see our W961 coast 1200 DM, I would definitivley go with the Miele... |
Post# 698850 , Reply# 7   8/25/2013 at 15:09 (3,868 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Ok, Miele spare parts are expensive as well. 70€ for a doorseal... or 160 bugs for a dryer-heater... Thats pretty much, isn't it? |
Post# 698936 , Reply# 9   8/26/2013 at 00:38 (3,868 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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But to their credit Miele's parts are very high quality IMHO. We on this side of the pond are biffed twice in that Miele North America (as with AEG for that matter) marks-up the cost of spares to reflect various import and shipping costs.
"X" year warranty on ... Those things always makes one chuckle. Yes the tub on a dishwasher or washing machine, or motor in same may be warranted for ten years or so, but chances are under all but the most extreme usage other parts will give out long before a motor. Older porcelain on steel or good SS tubs aren't going to wear though soon either. |
Post# 698942 , Reply# 10   8/26/2013 at 03:55 (3,868 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)   |   | |
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Only the other day I was thinking it's been a while since we've seen anything thing new from LG.
About a year ago the washing machine buttons round the display were replaced with touch sensitive areas, but no actual functional changes. It's been ages since they released a new line of washing machines! Anyone know if anything new is coming? Automatic stain removal menu? Turbo wash in the EU? New programs? |
Post# 698950 , Reply# 11   8/26/2013 at 04:57 (3,868 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 698961 , Reply# 13   8/26/2013 at 06:57 (3,868 days old) by dj-gabriele ()   |   | |
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As I previously wrote is 112 litres and the thing went on sale over here ages ago... |
Post# 698989 , Reply# 14   8/26/2013 at 11:38 (3,867 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)   |   | |
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Post# 698990 , Reply# 15   8/26/2013 at 11:42 (3,867 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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When I joined this club 7 years ago I was very dubvious of LG and thought that there machines were rubbish.
Well say what you want the machine that I despised (my mothers) has just made it to its 8th birthday. Its had one repair in 8 years and those were the bearings. They actually didnt need changing last year as they hadnt quite failed but the bearing seal was starting to fail and the machine made an odd noise while spinning. Investigation pointed that the bearings were about to fail sooner than later but hadnt actually gone. 7 years old, no repairs at that point from a £320 machine used daily. Go figure. The bearings were very easy to replace, the machine is simplicity itself inside. Everything is accessible, replaceable and serviceable. Now in its 8th year its showing no signs of its demise touch wood and is still washing daily for 4 people and a dog. Sure its not made in Italy - but then its lasted longer than the POS Italian machine before it. Id reccomend an LG long before Id go for an Italian one anyday. |
Post# 699012 , Reply# 16   8/26/2013 at 13:09 (3,867 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)   |   | |
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aquarius1984 - what is the need to denigrate Italian products like that... in a short paragraph you mentioned 'Italy/Italian' 3 times and associated it with volgarity and lack of respect. It's clear that you have some personal thing going on there, but it's totally out of place to vent your personal repressions in a forum designed for a totally different purpose.
My Candy made Hoover is even 1 year older than your mum's appliance, and I paid £300.00 including delivery at the time... it has also been used on a daily basis and and it has never had any breakdowns (minor or otherwise) nor repairs. I only just replaced the soap dish cos' the retaining hook just snapped and it would come out of the cavity all the way when pulled open (however it didn't really need to be replaced). The bearings are a little noisy now, but the drum is still firmly attached and they'll probably have a few more years to go. I also had a Candy dishwasher from 2003 which I sold last year on eBay as it was a basic model and I wanted something more advanced... again, it always worked flawlessly and never seen an engineer. It's now with a new a very happy owner... I don't know how long for though :-P |
Post# 699030 , Reply# 17   8/26/2013 at 14:49 (3,867 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Just like the need for those wishing to 'denigrate' Korean and Asian products despite never actually owning one or even expressing first hand experience?
Theres been plenty of Italian machines in our family and 5 out of 6 have not made it past their 5th birthday. The one Korean machine has surpassed that and was one of the cheapest. Perhaps you wish I use the old saying 'if you have nothing good to say then dont say anything'? Maybe when others take that advice too. |
Post# 699046 , Reply# 19   8/26/2013 at 15:39 (3,867 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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Yes I am afraid my opinion of Asian made machines was tainted by working at the re-cycling centre.
An example would be every LG that came in had knackered bearings, the build quality was nothing special, the bearing housings were fairly small so I can only assume so were the bearings fitted, or of course was the seals that were failing, I mean your mums only lasted 7 years which to me is a very short time for a tub seal to last. Then there was the guy on here who stripped that LG direct Drive washer to repair it and gave us plenty of pictures and descriptions of its failings the list goes on though LG are not the only company churning out this sort of equipment on an unsuspecting public Then of course there were all the other budget Asian machines, much the same but even more under engineered and cheaply made only a few years old if that, then of course all the electrical failures, control boards etc etc, so from my viewpoint Asian machines have nothing to offer other than glitzy front panels. And of course my Bosch was a German built one not that did it any good as I only kept it a year so I cannot comment on its longevity. As regards saying nothing I do try and be constructive in my criticisms of machines that I think do not make the grade and my opinions on LG machines have been talked about openly on here before If you now own an Asian machine and are happy with it then good for you, enjoy it. But I think to write off Italian machines in such a negative way is not called for, remember Italy was one the premier washing machine producing countries, it is only cheap crap coming from other countries that have forced them and other countries to downgrade their own products to compete with cheap labour countries, so we all end up in this situation. Gary |
Post# 699047 , Reply# 20   8/26/2013 at 15:48 (3,867 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)   |   | |
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@ henene4 - your talking about a new ECO line on dryers and washerdryers, and EcoHybrid... what are they... LG?
@ aquarius1984 - Nobody on this thread has made any reference to nations, nationalities or races but yourself. I'm probably missing something out here but I fail to grasp the reason why you're saying these things to me. I don't have a problem with stating the name of the brand which has caused me distress, without picking on the whole race of people associated with the country where the product comes from. For that very reason I'm not too keen on Indesit products independently of the country where they're made/designed. Maybe in this case you should re-read your last sentence and follow your own advice. |
Post# 699048 , Reply# 21   8/26/2013 at 15:50 (3,867 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Gary,
My response was not directed at you, I respect your findings and experience. They are very valid and very first hand. I was responding to the member who has not had first hand or quantitive experience with details and explanations passing comment about something he clearly dosnt know about. 7 years is young I agree but given the life expectancy of 6-7 years of a machine its on the nose and considering it was easily repaired given 2 hours work and cheap parts its exceeded its owners expectations and mine too. Like I mention its outlasted those Italian machines previous to it and that alone given its cost, I think a good deal compared to what could of been bought and disposed of during the 8 years. Hope no offence caused to yourself Gary, really wasnt you I was posting about. :) |
Post# 699050 , Reply# 22   8/26/2013 at 15:54 (3,867 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Post# 699054 , Reply# 23   8/26/2013 at 16:00 (3,867 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)   |   | |
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Post# 699064 , Reply# 24   8/26/2013 at 16:15 (3,867 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Yes, LG. They are called EcoHybrid (as I looked up now..) and are pretty new here. These washer-dryers were avaible since spring as a 9/6 and a 8/6 kg version, now they started a 12/8 kg version, too. Heatpumpdryers launched the same time as 9kg and 8kg, later came one without glass-door, know the 9kg version had been quit. |
Post# 699427 , Reply# 25   8/28/2013 at 05:12 (3,866 days old) by chris74 ()   |   | |
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@ frontloaderfan: Sorry, I don't remember its name. And since Quelle is no more, I think it was rarely available anyway. |
Post# 699504 , Reply# 27   8/28/2013 at 13:01 (3,865 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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83 kilos - that's not much. Mine is 101 kilos with a 92 liters drum and I thought that was light weight.
Yes, mine takes quite a while to get hot. It can do a 60C wash for a full load of lighty soiled cottons in two hours but I suppose that means as soon as the NTC registers 60C, it will drain. Thermals holds are practically unknown to the washer. If I load - as the manual suggests - six kilos into the washer and select Daily Wash, it'll drain after 25 minutes of main wash regardless of whether the temp is at 40C or not. Unfortunately, this new place I'm living at does not have hot water in the laundry room - otherwise, heating wouldn't be an issue. I really wonder why they can't make washers with 3.500 watt heating elements any more. My dryer draws almost 3.000 watts so why not the washer, too? *grrr* The EcoHybrid LG is on the Englisch web site as well: www.lg.com/uk/washer-dryers/lg-F1... |
Post# 699509 , Reply# 28   8/28/2013 at 13:41 (3,865 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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83kg? 101kg with 93l drum??? I think you mean 8kg and 11kg, don't you? And that's really no matter at all. 16A can give you 3200W, and that will match to the most houses at all... |
Post# 699512 , Reply# 29   8/28/2013 at 13:58 (3,865 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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The LG weighs 83 kilos and has a 112 liters drum.
Mine weighs 101 kilos and has a 92 liters drum. The LG seems really leight for such a high "rated" capacity of 15 kilos. That's what I thinks, too. 16A should be possible with most households. Most condenser dryers here are rated at 16A and no one complains. But washers are all just 10A... |
Post# 699516 , Reply# 30   8/28/2013 at 14:20 (3,865 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 699721 , Reply# 31   8/29/2013 at 08:25 (3,864 days old) by chris74 ()   |   | |
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...our Candy TL holds 7kg and I doubt it reaches 70kg empty weight...When it comes to the spin cycle I always believe it is going to burst (or blast). |
Post# 699726 , Reply# 32   8/29/2013 at 09:10 (3,864 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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7kg load to 70kg weigth is good. But EU TL machines are always more heavy then FL machines as they have a higher leveled center of gravity. Mieles with 5.5kg TL modells weigth at least 90kg, even through they use GlaronK, a special mixed plastic, for the outher tub... |
Post# 699780 , Reply# 33   8/29/2013 at 14:33 (3,864 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 699946 , Reply# 35   8/30/2013 at 10:25 (3,863 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Which Pani do you have? I got a NA148VG4, really great machine.... |