Thread Number: 48328
Something wicked this way comes! A White WestingQueen? |
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Post# 700371   9/1/2013 at 07:34 (3,861 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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When I was a child, I use to love to watch my mom's White Westinghouse washer. The big blue "sea monster" (aka agitator) was alive in there! Throwing my GI Joes in to the clutches of it's ruthless terror was always fun! :) I finally found a blue agitator on eBay some time ago. I noticed when I got the agitator how similar in size (base) it was to the Speed Queen's. Time went on, but I've kept my "FrankenAgitator" project in the back of my head.
Having a little extra time this Labor Day weekend, and wanting to re-live some of those fun times, I "engineered" the Westinghouse agitator to "ride" on top of the Speed Queen agitator base (after about 6 hours of modifications and 3 trips to the hardware store). Enjoy the show, but don't try this at home--it may fall apart next week! lol :) CLICK HERE TO GO TO danmantn's LINK |
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Post# 700372 , Reply# 1   9/1/2013 at 07:36 (3,861 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 700381 , Reply# 2   9/1/2013 at 08:18 (3,861 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 700382 , Reply# 3   9/1/2013 at 08:22 (3,861 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 700387 , Reply# 4   9/1/2013 at 09:11 (3,861 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)   |   | |
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When you start selling those replacement agitators please put me down for one! :-) That really makes a modern speed queen look more retro than it already does. |
Post# 700415 , Reply# 5   9/1/2013 at 12:28 (3,861 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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That is too cool! So I gotta ask as well...what and how did you do it? And have you tried it on a full load? I did notice that your SQ washer comes up to speed in the spin cycles really quick. Mine takes forever. And your spray rinse is further out in the first spin than mine is. With mine the water is still in the tub draining away when the spray rinse starts. Kinda useless if you ask me.
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Post# 700508 , Reply# 6   9/1/2013 at 20:56 (3,860 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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AWESOME and GENIUS!!! More, more, more...super large load videos please. Thanks for the video. |
Post# 700515 , Reply# 7   9/1/2013 at 22:12 (3,860 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 700528 , Reply# 8   9/2/2013 at 00:33 (3,860 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I did that once with a Maytag.....this is just way too cool....and opens the doors to many possibilites....
the wheels are turning! maybe we should have a guessing game of how its done?...... for one thing, there used to be a center post attachment for SQ top mounted agitators, before this bottom mount was used..... but I am thinking pvc plastic pipe, and sizing it down to create a post......screwed to the bottom mount..... second guess would be to modify and cut away a regular powerflex, and sliding the ramped over top and securing it in place.... inquiring minds want to know.... |
Post# 700567 , Reply# 9   9/2/2013 at 05:02 (3,860 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 700574 , Reply# 10   9/2/2013 at 06:10 (3,860 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 700664 , Reply# 11   9/2/2013 at 17:23 (3,860 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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I noticed the agitator cap at the start of the spin does not rotate with the agitator. Where would you attach the bolt to hold the two agitators together? |
Post# 700667 , Reply# 12   9/2/2013 at 17:50 (3,859 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 700790 , Reply# 13   9/3/2013 at 08:18 (3,859 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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As requested, here's a full load--I wasn't sure how large a large load was, so I filled it to the top of the vanes of the agitator--like the old Maytag wringers would say to do. Enjoy!
And yes, it's an optical illusion concerning the top of the agitator spinning, It tripped me out as well at first. It's had 4 loads so far, and so far so good. It's a keeper for now, but will keep my eyes on it. This washer doesn't get much use, except on the weekends. CLICK HERE TO GO TO danmantn's LINK |
Post# 700795 , Reply# 14   9/3/2013 at 08:30 (3,859 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 700935 , Reply# 17   9/3/2013 at 18:28 (3,858 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 700962 , Reply# 18   9/3/2013 at 20:47 (3,858 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 700980 , Reply# 20   9/3/2013 at 21:52 (3,858 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 700989 , Reply# 21   9/3/2013 at 23:01 (3,858 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701007 , Reply# 22   9/4/2013 at 00:35 (3,858 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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My 1968 Westinghouse was had a 2-in-1 spiral/swirl deep ramp with hand wash agitator, pistachio green. I've seen it white and blue but, not harvest gold. The first picture has the pistachio green. The second picture I think it might be harvest gold color. |
Post# 701008 , Reply# 23   9/4/2013 at 00:37 (3,858 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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It may be the harvest gold one. |
Post# 701009 , Reply# 24   9/4/2013 at 00:53 (3,858 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Yes, I love it too :D Dan I hope you'll make as many videos with your White WestingQueen...As you did with your Speed Queen so we can enjoy WestyQueen with you. Simply AWESOME!!! |
Post# 701133 , Reply# 25   9/4/2013 at 12:46 (3,858 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Dan, what is the part number of the ramp agitator? |
Post# 701183 , Reply# 26   9/4/2013 at 16:16 (3,858 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701184 , Reply# 27   9/4/2013 at 16:17 (3,858 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701203 , Reply# 28   9/4/2013 at 18:38 (3,857 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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This one is the white color...side view |
Post# 701204 , Reply# 29   9/4/2013 at 18:39 (3,857 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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over view |
Post# 701217 , Reply# 30   9/4/2013 at 19:17 (3,857 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701218 , Reply# 31   9/4/2013 at 19:17 (3,857 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701223 , Reply# 32   9/4/2013 at 19:34 (3,857 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 701260 , Reply# 33   9/4/2013 at 22:21 (3,857 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701336 , Reply# 35   9/5/2013 at 07:40 (3,857 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Cool conversion how fun to see a vintage agitator in another washer. Some of the members here could make adptors so that various different agitators could be installed in new SQs.
Your Westinghouse agitator works better in the SQ than it did in the orignal WH washer mostly due to the lack of a silly indexing wash basket that WH had, however the SQ agitator would still turn over a really heavy load better as ramp style agitators while fun to watch were never great at turning big JOHN loads, LOL. |
Post# 701340 , Reply# 36   9/5/2013 at 08:18 (3,857 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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I've seen a video of a large (standard) capacity GE washer using the high ramp agitator washing and turning over 24 polo short sleeve shirts. I completely amazed that it circulated the entire load of shirts throughout the wash cycle. |
Post# 701347 , Reply# 37   9/5/2013 at 08:45 (3,857 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Harry....there is a sort of apples to oranges comparison alone in just comparing a standard capacity GE Filterflo, and a large capacity.....both using ramps, and equal loads to tub size comparison....that smaller size will move a load better....and most likely because the ramps dont continue to swirl to the top, they actualy straighten up for the increased capacity...not to mention that one speed kick ass compared to a two speed......
I have a one speed, non slip clutch, large capacity now, that has better turnover than its two speed brother....whowold have thought that little bit of extra torque makes a difference....this is what I am used to from my mothers V12... changing out agitators is fun....and seeing the differences, this one I did to the Maytag, not so bad, but a ramp would have worked better in my opinion because of the slower stroke and slippage of the belt....vane all the way up compared to a Powerfin seemed to have slowed it down a bit |
Post# 701349 , Reply# 38   9/5/2013 at 08:53 (3,857 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Okay. Hey Yogi, how've you been!?! |
Post# 701411 , Reply# 39   9/5/2013 at 17:19 (3,857 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701412 , Reply# 40   9/5/2013 at 17:19 (3,857 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701436 , Reply# 42   9/5/2013 at 19:19 (3,856 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Dan, check out my 1980's White Westinghouse washer and dryer brochure pics in the Imperial Vintage Thread. |
Post# 701451 , Reply# 44   9/5/2013 at 20:13 (3,856 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Side by side |
Post# 701468 , Reply# 45   9/5/2013 at 21:11 (3,856 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 701469 , Reply# 46   9/5/2013 at 21:14 (3,856 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Ahh, preventing slippage... |
Post# 701472 , Reply# 47   9/5/2013 at 21:47 (3,856 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 701484 , Reply# 48   9/5/2013 at 22:55 (3,856 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Here's a video link of a 1970 Westinghouse from eddy1210 on youtube. If you can not connect, it's named 'Westinghouse top loader 1970' on YouTube. CLICK HERE TO GO TO scrubflex's LINK |
Post# 701488 , Reply# 49   9/5/2013 at 23:20 (3,856 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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I'm having technical difficulties with the 80's White Westinghouse W & D brochure...trouble resizing photos. |
Post# 701547 , Reply# 50   9/6/2013 at 11:57 (3,856 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 701565 , Reply# 51   9/6/2013 at 13:29 (3,856 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Sure:) |
Post# 702357 , Reply# 52   9/9/2013 at 20:18 (3,852 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Dan, are you going to let us know how you designed the deep ramp to fit the Speed Queen washtub? I'm dying to know...I've been wrecking my brains trying to figure it out, how much would it cost, etc. |
Post# 707570 , Reply# 53   10/6/2013 at 14:10 (3,826 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 707657 , Reply# 54   10/6/2013 at 21:11 (3,825 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Diddo...Yogi the Whirlpool is working again...I think the lid switch is loose, pressed backward and sqeezed the switch together, set the lid level in place under the cabinet top and prestoooo...working again...waiting for those videos Dan:) |
Post# 773641 , Reply# 55   7/28/2014 at 18:46 (3,530 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Sorry for the long delay--have had some work and family issues that have taken priority...I've been offline for a good while.
I wanted to wait until I could draw fancy pictures, but I simply don't have time. 1. I took a SQ flex agitator and "de-finned" it.--Removing the sides fins as well. 2. I chopped off the head of the agitator, JUST BELOW where the fabric softener dispenser holes are, but above the interior of where the agitator slips over the bell, or drive shaft--not sure what it's called. 3. At this point it was a gamble that the ramp agitator would even fit over my newly formed "washplate", but it did, with precision. I had previously held the bottoms of the two together to see if they were the same diameter. 4. I wanted the "washplate" style so that the agitator would match the SQ drive shaft/bell and I wouldn't have to worry about it. 5. Now, how to get the ramp agitator on the SQ. After making sure the ramp would "sit" on top of the SQ, Luckily, there were three mounting screws in the Westinghouse that held on a guide of sorts that apparently kept the agitator centered on the shaft/pole. I removed this and used the same three screws and screwed UP from the bottom of the SQ "washplate" into the ramp agitator. That alignment (with limited tools and assistance) was tricky. 6. I had to find away to keep the agitator cap on--this was a bit more tricky. I ended up drilling a hole in the SQ agitator in the areas that was left from the bell/drive areas and where the fabric softener area had ended. I then got a cut piece of metal (threaded, thank you Lowe's), that matched the thread of the original screw in the agitator cap, sent it up through the SQ and ramp agitator and screwed on the cap. This turned out to help snug everything up nicely. I love this configuration--I can only do the equivilant to a medium SQ load since the agitator is smaller--for things like blankets. But if the load is big and has a lot of individual items (socks, shirts), she does a commanding job. I expect it to eventually come apart from rusting of the parts, but for right now, I get a smile on my face every time I do a load of whites, low water, splashy action and the smell of original Tide in the air (detergents always smell better in hot water). It could be 1978 all over again. :) Sorry if I rambled...ask any questions you would like...also taking requests for new videos. Also, I did order the fabric softener dispenser--even in white it was really cool. Unfortunately, it kept unscrewing the agitator cap in the spin cycle. Not all the way--just enough to make it loose. Downey Ball to the rescue. |
Post# 773896 , Reply# 57   7/29/2014 at 21:53 (3,529 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 773959 , Reply# 58   7/30/2014 at 00:34 (3,529 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Dan, did you see jons1077 video of his White Westinghouse deep ramp in action? Check out how this load. If the link doesn't work it's called Rampies.mpg on Youtube. CLICK HERE TO GO TO scrubflex's LINK |
Post# 774035 , Reply# 59   7/30/2014 at 07:16 (3,529 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I am sure that agitator works better in a SQ than it did in the WH, the agitation of a ramp agitator in a washer with an indexing tub is not only pathetic but it makes you dizzy to watch it, LOL.
One of the AW members in Cleveland Oh. area has put a Km roto-swrirl agitator in a MT 806 that has a 50 cycle motor pulley on it and it is really amazing what an improvement it makes in the washing ability while actually being more genital on the clothing. I will try to get him to post a video as well. |
Post# 774183 , Reply# 60   7/30/2014 at 18:01 (3,528 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Dan, what did you use to de-fin the SP agitator? |
Post# 774286 , Reply# 61   7/31/2014 at 00:26 (3,528 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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I have trimmed or smoothed agitator blades with a Dremel tool.I would like to see the Roto Swirl in the Maytag.And come to think of it-bet the Roto Swirls would have worked BETTER in the DD WP/KN machines than the shredder DA ones. |
Post# 774350 , Reply# 62   7/31/2014 at 09:16 (3,528 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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I used a hacksaw--wish I had a Dremel...it's really rough to say the least. Also use an electric drill to create starting points. If I ever do it again, I'll get a Dremel. Since it was an experiment, I wasn't too concerned on how Frankenstein-ish the SQ looked. It was a flex vane agitator--which made the bottom part easier.
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Post# 775365 , Reply# 65   8/4/2014 at 13:31 (3,524 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Forgive my drawing, but this may help in understanding how I did it.
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Post# 775372 , Reply# 66   8/4/2014 at 14:04 (3,524 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Here is a pic with the dispenser that I bought - based on the info in the posting.
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Post# 775373 , Reply# 67   8/4/2014 at 14:09 (3,524 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Here is the item that was inside the WWH agitator--I'm guessing to help keep it stable on the post. No idea how the agitator mounted inside WWH. Also a pic of the de-finned SQ.
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Post# 775419 , Reply# 68   8/4/2014 at 18:41 (3,523 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Gotcha, too bad you weren't able to encase the metal thread rod in a plastic tube-pipe to prolong rust, a little longer at lease. I can't wait for you to be able to make more videos. |
Post# 775423 , Reply# 69   8/4/2014 at 18:45 (3,523 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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And, thanks for the drawing and parts pics. |
Post# 775435 , Reply# 70   8/4/2014 at 19:17 (3,523 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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I recorded a load with "Zote" soap flakes (since it's a hot topic in another forum) and 8 big towels, 1 wash cloth, and a Downey ball earlier today. It's HD, so it's taking a long time to upload--be up later tonight. I will post.
If it eventually rusts/falls apart, I'll do a more permanent version of it. So far--nearly a year later--it's trucking right along. I like it so much that it will be there as long as I can make it. |
Post# 775484 , Reply# 71   8/4/2014 at 21:49 (3,523 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 775570 , Reply# 73   8/5/2014 at 06:42 (3,523 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 775969 , Reply# 75   8/7/2014 at 07:35 (3,521 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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Post# 776047 , Reply# 76   8/7/2014 at 14:13 (3,521 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Cool. |
Post# 890315 , Reply# 77   7/21/2016 at 15:14 (2,807 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Hey Dan, DADoES have a spare pistachio green Westinghouse super deep ramp 2-piece agitator with the hand wash agitator...check it out!
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Post# 890330 , Reply# 78   7/21/2016 at 16:44 (2,807 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 890395 , Reply# 79   7/22/2016 at 01:37 (2,806 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)   |   | |
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Yeah, I could have started a new thread :) |