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Post# 701502   9/6/2013 at 00:40 (3,857 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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One of my pipedreams since I have discovered the joys of AW was to have in my very own possession an early Frigidaire Filtrator dryer. Well, thanks to an alignment of the stars, hard work and persistence, my dream has come true! Now i can enjoy the pleasure of Filtrator soft towels in the middle of a MN winter! Here are some pics of the 1952 TR-60: |
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Post# 701503 , Reply# 1   9/6/2013 at 00:41 (3,857 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 701504 , Reply# 2   9/6/2013 at 00:42 (3,857 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 701505 , Reply# 3   9/6/2013 at 00:45 (3,857 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 701506 , Reply# 4   9/6/2013 at 00:46 (3,857 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 701508 , Reply# 5   9/6/2013 at 01:29 (3,857 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 701512 , Reply# 6   9/6/2013 at 02:56 (3,857 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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What do the towels smell like when they come out of this dryer? |
Post# 701513 , Reply# 7   9/6/2013 at 02:59 (3,857 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 701522 , Reply# 9   9/6/2013 at 06:08 (3,857 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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There is no smell in the world quite like the smell of Filtrator-dried clothing. It's something of an ozone smell, and it smells like the quintessence of clean. It's also a very comforting smell, for some reason. I've only been around a Filtrator (one just like Mark's) in a member's home, but I can easily imagine that people who grew up with one in their house have very fond memories of it.
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Post# 701523 , Reply# 10   9/6/2013 at 06:21 (3,857 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 701543 , Reply# 11   9/6/2013 at 11:06 (3,856 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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I was going to ask you what's up with that cute little Geiger Counter on the console, but you explained in Reply #3.
The futuristic pics of the glowing drum are a real surprise--had no idea! Beautiful. I can only imagine the fragrance, the joy, and the warmth. How nice you've found your dream, and started our day with a nice uplift. Thanks. |
Post# 701589 , Reply# 12   9/6/2013 at 15:30 (3,856 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)   |   | |
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Post# 701593 , Reply# 13   9/6/2013 at 15:49 (3,856 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 701603 , Reply# 14   9/6/2013 at 16:41 (3,856 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 702358 , Reply# 15   9/9/2013 at 20:21 (3,853 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 702361 , Reply# 16   9/9/2013 at 20:25 (3,853 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Then, since I had stock on hand, I decided to add a 25 amp relay to control the 240 volt current to the Radiantubes. This should nearly eliminate any chance of contact failure in the timer, thermostat and centrifugal switch. The control circuit now draws 5 watts at 120 volts instead of 4400 watts at 240 volts! |
Post# 702363 , Reply# 17   9/9/2013 at 20:27 (3,853 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 702364 , Reply# 18   9/9/2013 at 20:28 (3,853 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 702373 , Reply# 19   9/9/2013 at 21:22 (3,853 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Great progress Mark, you will enjoy this dryer even more during a cold Minnesota winter.
I can't tell how you wired the added relay, but you should let the full heater current continue to go through the heater safety thermostat, otherwise if you relay contacts stick you will have a real disaster on your hands and the world may lose another of these rare dryers. Also if you have the new 4 wire dryer cord plugged into a properly wired outlet you should connect the green wire from the cord to the cabinet of the dryer.
Keep us posted about further testing, Tom and I rebuilt and used several of these orignal Frigidaire Filtrator Dryers many years ago and we both still have one or more that we still use occasionally. In fact at one time we had one from every year that FD made these, all 7 different styles, we have since thinned the heard a little. All that is left is the TR-61 [ a factory 120 model that has just one 1800 watt element ] that I have connected in my basement, I also have a 1957 and a 1960 version and Tom has the 1956 and 1958 versions, all of ours are white. |
Post# 702375 , Reply# 20   9/9/2013 at 21:32 (3,853 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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John thanks for your comments about this. Good point about the safety Thermostat.
I included that in the control circuit and NOT in the actual heater circuit. I get your point about that, though. That will be a revision that I make the next time I need to remove the back.
The reason the white and green are together has to do with the wiring in the building which is a long and not terribly interesting story. I know it's not kosher according to code but it really is safe for the way I am using it. |
Post# 702391 , Reply# 21   9/9/2013 at 23:01 (3,853 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 702394 , Reply# 22   9/9/2013 at 23:20 (3,853 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 702407 , Reply# 23   9/10/2013 at 04:59 (3,853 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 702408 , Reply# 24   9/10/2013 at 05:13 (3,853 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 702417 , Reply# 26   9/10/2013 at 07:04 (3,853 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Way to go Mark. Congratulations! I know the joy of finally getting an appliance that you have wanted for a long time. I am cooking on an O'Keefe that that I got from an AW member that got it from another AW member. Again, congratulations!! |
Post# 702457 , Reply# 28   9/10/2013 at 11:33 (3,852 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 702458 , Reply# 29   9/10/2013 at 11:34 (3,852 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 702461 , Reply# 30   9/10/2013 at 11:52 (3,852 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Fabric damage in a filtrator is really not much of an issue if you know what you are doing and use some common sense.
In normal operation things should never get hot enough to cause either degradation, melting or scorching of fabrics. Fabrics such as polyester will start to signs of degradation at around 350 degrees but do not actually melt until about 500 degrees. Nylon and Dacron are similar. Dry cotton will begin to scorch at about 400 degrees. The normal operating temperature on High for an early filtrator is 210 degrees at the thermostat bulb on high. In practice this means that the temperature in the middle of a dry load can approach 240-250 degrees. That's pretty hot, but not hot enough to cause damage first of all because, if timed correctly, things should never actually get so dry that they get that hot at the center. Secondly, because there is so much steam present in the drum for most of the cycle it is hard to over dry things, again, as long as you keep the cycle times sensible. Also, I don't know anyone who actually sets these early dryer on the HIGH setting. I use the medium setting for cottons and LOW for blends and synthetics.
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Post# 702496 , Reply# 32   9/10/2013 at 15:50 (3,852 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 702498 , Reply# 33   9/10/2013 at 15:52 (3,852 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Speaking for myself (and I am unanimous) our AEG/Lavatherm does not "cool down" the way one is used to with American vented dryers.
Thus far loads emerge warm to even slightly hot to the touch upon coming out of the dryer. Indeed things are quite moist as well. All this changes as the load meets cool room air. Then whatever moisture remaining evaporates away and things cool down rapidly. In our vented WP dryer once the heaters shut down for the "Cool Down" portion off cycles not only cool room air enters the chamber. However seeing how condenser dryers are sealed systems this is not possible I think. That is room air does not enter the chamber but is merely used to provide thermal difference for condensation to occur. Therefore it makes little difference to the load inside what the room temperature. At the end of cycle AEG dryer is still quite warm both outside and inside, along with often moist as whatever water that was not evaporated remains. |
Post# 702499 , Reply# 34   9/10/2013 at 15:54 (3,852 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 702505 , Reply# 35   9/10/2013 at 16:15 (3,852 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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The AEG dryer may well be a completely closed system.
The first iteration filtrator (1952-1960) was not technically a totally closed system. Frigidaire designed it such that there would be about 10 cfm of air change in the drum. In their technical literature they stated that about 50% the moisture from the clothes would be condensed into the collection pan and that the remainder of the moisture would be dissipated into the room.
The second generation of fitrator dryers (1961-1967) appears to be a completely closed system. |
Post# 702508 , Reply# 36   9/10/2013 at 16:42 (3,852 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 702512 , Reply# 37   9/10/2013 at 16:52 (3,852 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 702514 , Reply# 38   9/10/2013 at 16:56 (3,852 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 702562 , Reply# 39   9/10/2013 at 21:07 (3,852 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Can't decide if I'd rather have a condenser dryer now, or a pudding which in our family would be Plum with hard sauce, (smiling).
Great short course and seminar, and many thanks. Last winter when I contracted Combo fever I noticed that all the combos available were condenser dryers. All reviewers mentioned what Laundress did about how the dried load at first seems so moist then quickly dries. Part of the fascination of laundry for me is scent, the soap, the washing liquors, the clean fresh rinse water, the fragrant line drying, So from what I've read here, a condenser is gilding the lily when one must dry indoors; the scent , transporting; and it does not have to be a Frigidaire. Have I read correctly? |
Post# 702596 , Reply# 40   9/11/2013 at 01:32 (3,852 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Here's another recent thread about condenser dryers. Both types of Frigidaire Filtrator dryers were covered in it.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO PhilR's LINK |
Post# 702632 , Reply# 42   9/11/2013 at 07:56 (3,852 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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One of the main reasons that early dryers including condenser dryers did not cool down well in that the cool down time was usually only 5 minutes and many MTs had only three minutes. The early dryer manufacturers were only concerned about the user being able to handle the clothes comfortably when removing them from the dryer, not about the wrinkles that would soon set in from permanent press items sitting in a hot dryer. On modern dryers the cool-down is at least 10 minutes and sometimes more than 30.
All Air-Cooled condenser dryers leak at least some of the moisture into the room air where they are operating, these early 1952-1960 Frigidaire s did release around 50% of the water left in the clothing into the room where the machine was operating. My 1962 FD Custom Imperial Filterator that I have been using in the winter for some loads for over 20 years does increase the humidity level somewhat after drying a few loads [ fortunately with an advanced hot air heating system in the house it is quickly well distributed ] but it is much better than early style Filtrator.
In the case of Laundresses new AEG condenser dryer that is accumulating little or no water in its collection container I am sure the moisture is going into the room. Laundress it would be an interesting experiment to check the room humidity before you start drying clothing and after you finished drying a few loads. If a condenser dryer is working properly you will always get some water in the pan no matter how fast the load had been spun out. |
Post# 702648 , Reply# 44   9/11/2013 at 09:54 (3,851 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Wasn't going to post as am sure persons are that sick of hearing about my Lavatherm worries, but have solved the problem.
It turns out besides not having the hose connected to the collecting drawer one was inserting the heat exchanger/condenser improperly. Directions simply say to *replace* the heat exchanger reversing the method of taking out (pulling out), however when one pondered what was going on whilst staring at the dryer things became clear. Diagrams on the dryer tell one to pull the condenser unit down and then out. We were simply pushing it back in (again and again). So pulled the thing out and holding it up and pushing upwards reinserted then locked. For the first time one heard a "clunk" sound which meant the nozzle on end of heat exchanger was pushed into the opening in the rear of compartment that leads to the sump/drain pump. Long story short next load that was dried gave about 250ml of water. This water was lint filled and more importantly tinged with bits of blue. Since the hoodies one dried of that colour we take it to mean this was condensed water from this load. As for where the water was going before we connected the drain hose to drawer properly and inserted the heat exchanger the right way, it cannot enter the room as vapor. Much of it as AEG technical service predicted leaked onto the floor behind and under the dryer. That conversation started by reminding us of our high school physics class; water will always seek a certain level. The AEG Lavatherm dryer as told to us by AEG Canada is a sealed system. If water collects in the holding chamber before the pump that cannot or is not drained away it will overflow somewhere, but as water, and not turned back into steam. Of course if the sump overflows float will kick in and shut the machine down with proper warning signals as to the problem. As for amounts of moisture leaking into the room as steam, we've not noticed any change in that regards. Warmth yes, as the dryer becomes very hot during use. Will be able to tell further when cold weather finally arrives and use of the dryer causes windows and or glass to become foggy. |
Post# 702651 , Reply# 45   9/11/2013 at 10:09 (3,851 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 702672 , Reply# 46   9/11/2013 at 12:32 (3,851 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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