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Post# 701617   9/6/2013 at 18:12 (3,877 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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Hi Guys,

Me and the UK boys were discussing these when I was over there in August. Fisher and Paykel Australia have just launched a new range of great looking front loaders. These machines have something called a Vortex Wash system which incorporates the use of a small grey paddle at the back of the wash tub. Now one can assume that this spins around to create a vortex that surges detergent and water through the clothes ( at least thats what the brochure says...)

See what you think, they have just become available for purchase in my area in a variety of sizes and spin speeds. Look closely at the pictures on the website below and u can see the Vortex/Keymatic paddle on the back of the wash tub. I think to be effective, the tub would have to tilt back so that this is below the water line, other wise its just rubbing against the clothes.

Either way these machine have a really nice sleek styling that matches the top loaders now. I wonder who makes these as the last range of front loaders were made by Beko i believe.

At under a 1000 bucks for the top of the line model its very tempting to retire the Electrolux to try one out but that probably wouldn't go down very well with the other half lol.

Enjoy and let us know what you all think!


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Post# 701660 , Reply# 1   9/6/2013 at 22:09 (3,877 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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I want one NOW!

Beko certainly did make the last line...

I may well have to sabotage my machine in order to justify a purchase :)




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Post# 701684 , Reply# 2   9/7/2013 at 00:14 (3,877 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Very interesting!!! I'd love to see the back of the machine with the panel removed! I wonder how they rigged up the impeller? A separate direct drive motor inside one that drives the drum possibly?


Post# 701687 , Reply# 3   9/7/2013 at 00:20 (3,877 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Haier innovation or FP?

I'd like to see it running too, if it can reduce washing time without undue fabric wear, it would be a huge leap for modern front-loaders.


Post# 701695 , Reply# 4   9/7/2013 at 02:10 (3,877 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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IMHO that thingy in the back is just a gimmick. It's not in the water, so only if a drum is full it will have some effect, because only then the laundry will really rub against it. The pulsator in the Keymatic wasn't liked very much, it forced people to do laundry on the delicate cycle a lot, because it caused a lot of wear and tear. Sometimes you wonder what those designers were thinking. ;-)

Post# 701709 , Reply# 5   9/7/2013 at 08:41 (3,876 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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Looks like this TOL Haier machine has the same pulsator as the Fisher Pakel





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Post# 701715 , Reply# 6   9/7/2013 at 09:42 (3,876 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Theres an animation of the Vortex wash here...
Doesn't show the drum plate moving separately to the main drum, but does show some spin washing...


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Post# 701717 , Reply# 7   9/7/2013 at 09:50 (3,876 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I'd almost prefer the Haier version of this machine... The door boot is very pretty!


Post# 701754 , Reply# 8   9/7/2013 at 13:12 (3,876 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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Its meant to be antibacterial and prevent mould from growing on it. My friend has one and hers is covered in mould. Mind you she washes in cold water on a quick wash and can leave the washing in the machine for a few days before its hung out, then she closes the door between uses. Perfect conditions for mould lol

Post# 701813 , Reply# 9   9/7/2013 at 17:15 (3,876 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

It can't be like the Keymatic. Thatfor it would need a setup like The Dyson did have, so, I don't think so. But it can reach 90°, thats nice. Guess, the plate pushes clothes back into th tub-middle.

Post# 701837 , Reply# 10   9/7/2013 at 19:10 (3,876 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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If you read the Haier instruction manual, it states on the last page that the 60c cotton wash with 'Intensive 3' selected takes 176minutes....

Not exactly 'quick'


Post# 701910 , Reply# 11   9/8/2013 at 01:44 (3,876 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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Ive got a feeling after watching that animation above that the 'paddle' on the back of the wash tub is not a paddle at all its just part of the design of the drum and has no real function. The 'Vortex' wash system will most likely be as the animation showed above, a series of distribution tumbles and spins during the wash to force detergent and water through clothes by centrifugal force.
Now i think of it Haier machines do distribution speed washes a lot. My friends used to do distribution tumbles after every four regular tumbles in her Haier machine.
So these new Fisher and Paykel front loaders could well be made by Haier. Interesting. They are still a beautiful looking machine.

See the video below to see my friends Haier distribution washing...

Matt


Post# 701934 , Reply# 12   9/8/2013 at 07:42 (3,875 days old) by chris74 ()        
The Haier seems to use a lot of water

I think it gives you a sudsy wash, which is rare nowadays... It is a pity that Fisher&Pakyel don't distribute in Europe...

Post# 701944 , Reply# 13   9/8/2013 at 09:01 (3,875 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Do you know if F&P are avaible in Germany, to?

Post# 701959 , Reply# 14   9/8/2013 at 09:46 (3,875 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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http://www.fisherpaykel.com/

Scroll to bottom of the page.  At the lower right corner there's a pick list under YOU ARE IN to select a country/region.


Post# 701960 , Reply# 15   9/8/2013 at 09:49 (3,875 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Ywah, but thats only "Europe" as option. There's no "Germany"-choice and no, searched a bit around and it doesn't seem so..

Post# 701980 , Reply# 16   9/8/2013 at 11:50 (3,875 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Here you go

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Post# 702015 , Reply# 17   9/8/2013 at 13:25 (3,875 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Thank you :D

Post# 702198 , Reply# 18   9/9/2013 at 03:23 (3,875 days old) by chris74 ()        
Hey

There are even the dishdrawers available. That's cool!

Post# 702200 , Reply# 19   9/9/2013 at 03:41 (3,875 days old) by chris74 ()        
Maybe...

...they'll offer the washing machines some day, too.

Post# 702206 , Reply# 20   9/9/2013 at 04:23 (3,874 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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The dishdrawers were sold under the Bauknecht label for a short while.

Post# 702210 , Reply# 21   9/9/2013 at 05:08 (3,874 days old) by chris74 ()        
I remember that

But they didn't have a good reputation back then, IIRC...

Post# 702214 , Reply# 22   9/9/2013 at 05:51 (3,874 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Dish drawer reliability

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is like most appliances the more care you take the longer they last.

The top drawer of my set goes on at least once a day and as long as you refill the salt and rinse aid when needed it just does what its supposed to.

I have had 5 units to repair and all have had easily avoided problems most the time its to do with limescale build up which causes the heater plate to malfunction.

Personally I think these machines are a great investment as they are easy to use and simply perfect if you want to avoid stooping when I get a bigger kitchen I am going to have two side by side as that will make life even easier :o)

Austin


Post# 703562 , Reply# 23   9/16/2013 at 13:38 (3,867 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Looks like they've arrived....

.....in the UK

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Post# 703652 , Reply# 24   9/17/2013 at 06:00 (3,866 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
Haier

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These machines have been on sale here for a few months. £800 for a Haier is mighty pricey!

Post# 703669 , Reply# 25   9/17/2013 at 12:03 (3,866 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

Oh right, I didn't realise as RARELY look at buying a new machine and stumbled upon these advertised at Currys. I thought the price was steep but they do look stylish however I am not sure I would pay that when for a little more I could get a Miele (IF I was in the market for a new machine!)

Post# 703710 , Reply# 26   9/17/2013 at 17:36 (3,866 days old) by aptone1 ()        

I guess this is the first fruit of Haier's purchase of F&P. It would be interesting to know where these were designed.


Post# 704022 , Reply# 27   9/19/2013 at 08:16 (3,864 days old) by chris74 ()        
China?

Never seen a frontloader with a wash plate before, though.


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