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Post# 704695 9/22/2013 at 17:04 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050  (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 704697 , Reply# 1 9/22/2013 at 17:07 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 704698 , Reply# 2 9/22/2013 at 17:09 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Bottom rack | ||
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Post# 704699 , Reply# 3 9/22/2013 at 17:10 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Top rack | ||
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Post# 704700 , Reply# 4 9/22/2013 at 17:11 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Detergent cup | ||
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Post# 704702 , Reply# 5 9/22/2013 at 17:12 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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3 cycles | ||
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Post# 704703 , Reply# 6 9/22/2013 at 17:14 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Rinse aid and air vent | ||
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Post# 704706 , Reply# 7 9/22/2013 at 17:22 (3,858 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Kenwood
So pleased you managed to save this Richard, and thank you for the great photos. Given its production life cycle, it must have been one of the last impeller dishwashers produced, I had no idea it was impeller but assumed it would have had revolving arms. Looking forward to the wash test. You are getting to have a great selection of vintage dishwashers :)
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Post# 704713 , Reply# 8 9/22/2013 at 17:39 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Motor
It's clean and tidy underneath
I assumed it would be ok to start it as the new house holders who bought the kitchen had been told by the original it worked but they never used it. It filled up and then heats , then starts, it's noisy , it then leaked around the door, so I tried adding some plates cups etc, and detergent. It leaked less then massive amounts of foam leaked out the door ! I added some fabric softener and this stopped but I discovered the drain pump didn't work so now it was full of fabric softener scummy hot water! I bailed it out and washed all the dishes in my regular dishwasher. I've since oiled the pump and I think it will be ok , and I think I can get new door seals. The thing I've noticed about older dishwashers is , that it's hard to fit in modern crockery. The mugs I use just about fit in the top rack. Glasses have to be small. And as it's an impeller model anything in the bottom rack has to be a plate as it will block the top rack water spray. I'll keep you informed if I can anywhere with it I've posted a link to 1970s appliances. It's a silent film from Huntley studios , a short way in there is a dishwasher that looks like the kenwood. Cheers Richard CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK 
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Post# 704808 , Reply# 9 9/23/2013 at 03:50 (3,858 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Kenwood & bonus
It certainly is clean and tidy underneath - I hope you can get it sorted.
Bonus? That film you posted on the link, which was brill. I think the dishwasher is Kenwood as there is loads of other Kenwood stuff in there. I think the dryer might be EE and it was brilliant to see the Hotpoint cleaners as well, including the seldom seen Masterclean canister Al | ||
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Post# 704810 , Reply# 10 9/23/2013 at 04:21 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Thanks Al
Yes I've now got 5 vintage dishwashers. None in perfect working order sadly , looking at our American and Canadian cousins and there dishwasher technology it seems the uk was years behind , this kenwood is basically the same as a very early hotpoint American model. Certainly not what you'd expect in the 1970s, another thing I've found interesting is that a few of my machines have come from the more affluent areas of Manchester the others London. Which goes to show that they must have been an expensive luxury for quite a while. My parents had a new kitchen in 1973 blue Formica and just then moved over to an automatic hoover match box. Their oven was creda built in with sep hob, and again in 1981 brown mahogany with aeg oven and gas hob but didn't get a dishwasher until 1991 ( aeg favourit 440 I think - still going strong !) so we must have been very late adopting dishwashers compared to America which is why there must be so few survivors. If I can get it water tight it might be good to try it ill even use some retro crockery that may fit better and smaller wine glasses ! ( shock horror !)
Richard Ps thanks to Simon whose advert I've copied I hope this is ok x 
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Post# 704814 , Reply# 11 9/23/2013 at 05:25 (3,858 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Late adoption
Richard
I think you are absolutely right that we were late in adopting dishwashers, not just that they were (reasonably) expensive, but we never really adopted the principle of a portable(roll-about)dishwasher they way they did in the US, not the least because we did not have the brilliant faucet connectors that they have there. Sure, some dishwashers had wheels, but in small British kitchens to have one sitting in the middle of a small kitchen floor for an hour or so (not to mention connecting it up!) is more of a problem. So it is not really a surprise that we had such as the propeller Kenwood and the Colston (central spinning tube) still in production well into the 1970s. So, although there were dishwashers around the market was very small. Indeed, now that I think of it, apart from Hoover (post Zanussi manufactured Auto-Jet/Super Jet with the revolving racks) I can hardly think of any other UK dishwasher manufacturer in the 1970s. Swanmaid did produce one machine, but I only ever saw that in magazines. Otherwise it was German or Italian machines. I did read once (sorry, don't have a source) that Hoover installed an all new dishwasher production line in Merthyr in around 1973 for the range that would replace the Italian produced Auto-jet on the basis that their market research indicated that the UK dishwasher market was about to take off. It didn't and Hoover lost a lot of money over those models - I have certainly never seen one except on a Hoover promotional tea towel. Around the mid - end 1970s Thorn marketed Italian made Bendix/Kenwood models (I believe you have one of the Bendix models) and the same machine was also badged as Electrolux. I do not remember if the Hoover dishwasher I bought in 1988 was UK produced or not, but I think not. It is my opinion that it was really not until the 1980s when replacing kitchens became really commonplace (and perhaps kitchens being extended too) and of course automatic washers with a smaller footprint would have had an effect on this too. And of course peoples expectations became raised and realised there were better things to do than stand at the sink washing dishes. I always thought that the Creda built in units were very attractive - somewhat smaller overall than their Tricity counterparts, although no difference in capacity. Did your parents have the wide hob with two rings on the front sides and two side by side set together to the back of the hob? I still think this was the most attractive design of radiant ring hob sold here Al | ||
| Post# 704816 , Reply# 12 9/23/2013 at 06:23 (3,858 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
Nice machine......
So where was it made? Britain? I ask this because as you probably know over here they never had the Kenwood brand for large appliances, unless for washers that were though made by the Austrian Eudora and marketed with the Kenwood brand in Italy for reasons that still now I totally ignore.. Anyway.... I can see it does not have an automatic dispenser...so I presume it didn't have a prewash/pre-rinse cycle.... ot it did? Nice machine though, I bet it really wash with hot water and with real splashes...of course not like modern ones...If I had the possibility to fit a portable one in my kitchen I would have got two 1960s portable top load indesits with the same pulsator washing action I found last month...unfortunately still have to deal with my crappy Bosch.. It's more the stuff I have to re-wash by hand than the one I pull out clean from it... and I feel often uncomfortable by using utensils that have been in contact with something gone bad as for example when I forget something in the bottom of the refrigerators and gets mold...so I usually make a pre-rinse by hand with bleach or something prior the machine.. moreover they state the heavy soil cycle (pans) makes 65°...I can barely feel 50°c actually....I should attach the hose to hot water instead of cold, I'd get water hotter from the tap.. Even my uncles up in Maine made the mistake to get a TOL Bosch (suggested by the appliance guy...) and they hate it for the same reasons I do..... they paid $800 for it, and they now dream of having back their 1980 whirlpool... I think they're going to put the 6 months old bosch on craiglist and get a real one soon.. Wish I could do the same.... but here just "fake/toy" machines around... I envy you guys keeping finding these machine...I wish I could have the same luck.. This post was last edited 09/23/2013 at 10:36 | ||
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Post# 704835 , Reply# 13 9/23/2013 at 08:12 (3,858 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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"Push to Start" Kenwood
Congratulations Richard on saving this unique piece of UK history, looks in great nic and am sure will be up and running asap, new crockery not withstanding,
is this the model before the one in Simons pics with the viewing window or where they running at the same time?Very simple design and that thermostat bank looks more UK than euro so I wonder if it was made in Havant? 
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Post# 704888 , Reply# 14 9/23/2013 at 14:12 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Hi ken more guy , I'm assuming it's made in uk as it says so, no no pre wash unless it stops and then you add deteregent as it's not an automatic dispenser , more of a plastic funnel to hold deteregent to keep it tidy, it gets nice and hot and certainly throws water around but not sure how efficient in the top rack !
Thanks mike nice knob by the way ! ( no offence lol) I'm not sure if it's younger or older than the advert, id say younger as it has a rinse aid dispenser ( the plastic circle left of on off switch is rinse aid cover ) or it may be younger ones had them inside ? It doesn't have a viewing window. , I wondered what that was? But it could be easily converted to a window on door as one thickness of steel ( a bit like Roberts kitchen aid ?) Ill order some rubber strips and see if I can get it water tight ! Richard | ||
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Post# 704892 , Reply# 15 9/23/2013 at 14:26 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Oh Al
Hi Al
Yes I first became aware of dishwashers in the 80s a well off family we knew had initially a bendix in their kitchen and then had another kitchen built ( yes they ended up with 2, it was a big house ) and had a hoover crystal jet. I used to help her fill the rinse aid , I remember it was sun detergent. I dreamed of having a dishwasher , and it was strange we got one the same time as my classmates parents all around 1991 , perhaps when parents turned 50 washing up became boring ! I still have recurring dreams about filling dishwashers , kitchens with 2 dishwashers etc etc ( god knows what psychologists would make of that) but it may explain my quest to get a working vintage one ha ha . My parents hob was like you describe I think but I was only 7-8 when it changed. I remember it was blue with aluminium trim kitchen , and as we lived in an old cottage and the walls were poor, my parents covered the walls with this thin boarding that looked like knotty pine cladding ( all the rage in the 70s) , my mum tiled over this behind the hob and a few days later whilst cooking tea the ceramic tiles fell off one by one into the pans of food! I'll see if I can find some pics and post them ! Richard . | ||
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Post# 704895 , Reply# 17 9/23/2013 at 14:33 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Yes made in uk | ||
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Post# 704896 , Reply# 18 9/23/2013 at 14:33 (3,858 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Close up | ||
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Post# 706803 , Reply# 20 10/2/2013 at 15:37 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Latest on kenwood
Hi guys I've been tinkering with the dishwasher , the pump had seized and needed sealing , it was then only needing someway of stoping it leaking around the door. It had me puzzled as the door seal looked good. I tried reversing it as it's basically a squared c shape piece of rubber that goes along sides and top of cabinet edge. It still leaked , then I noticed when closing the door it was a bit off square. I twisted the door a few times and tested it , success! It didn't leak ! Well I've got it down to a few drips, but that's fine as it only dribble on vinyl floor. I very put it in place of my existing dishwasher. I've tried a proper ish load, I say that as these were things in my existing dishwasher. I've forgot to take before photos but will show after ones. From what I've discovered I is long wash II ( the program I've used now ) is short wash with wash times of about 10 mins ( I would have used longer but didn't know this was short ) III is rinse but heated rinse. The machine fills, heats the water completely and then turns on the motor. It's very noisy and I mean really noisy ! It does this each cycle. For drying the motor turns the impellor as a fan to blow the hot air over the dishes for about 2 mins.
Ill do some photos but have to switch over to my phone. In the mean time I googled kenwood a1212 and got this link about testing dishwasher detergent ingredients I'm not sure if it's from uk or USA and to be fair I don't understand most of it. High school chemistry was 24 years ago! But they used this model of dishwasher using cycle II to test them. Do any of you American/Canadian guys know if this was ever sold in the USA / Canada ? Richard CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK 
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Post# 706810 , Reply# 21 10/2/2013 at 16:04 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Just opened door | ||
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Post# 706814 , Reply# 22 10/2/2013 at 16:07 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Bottom rack | ||
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Post# 706815 , Reply# 23 10/2/2013 at 16:09 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Top rack | ||
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Post# 706820 , Reply# 24 10/2/2013 at 16:18 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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All was left were a few pips ! | ||
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Post# 706822 , Reply# 25 10/2/2013 at 16:21 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Wash video
I did a quick video , sadly you cannot see inside I'm working on that one !
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| Post# 706864 , Reply# 26 10/2/2013 at 19:04 (3,848 days old) by mikepaquette () | ||
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Love your approch :) Got my attintion from the get go ;) I do love impeller dishwashers. mikepaquette@hotmail.com | ||
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Very cool | ||
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Post# 706941 , Reply# 28 10/3/2013 at 02:50 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Thanks
I think this model came out in 1965 to replace their top loading dishmaster and went on until early 70s I believe I'm guessing this model is later as has rinse aid dispenser , which I'm not sure works as yet on this machine
Richard here's the pathe news link to early model, she fair old chucks in the dishes ! CLICK HERE TO GO TO ricky5050's LINK | ||
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Post# 706942 , Reply# 29 10/3/2013 at 03:00 (3,848 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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1212
Richard
Absolutely brilliant that you got it going and it seems to perform well. It might look low in your kitchen but I am presuming it does not have the optional plinth with it. This machine was designed to be floor standing, set on counter top or even hung on the wall. I have seen several instances of it being built in too. It is just so great that you have rescued this machine and got it going too Al | ||
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Post# 706993 , Reply# 31 10/3/2013 at 13:15 (3,848 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Hi thanks Doug and Al
I'd love to hear from anyone who used one regularly , I'm sure it would have been a boon if you'd never had one, coming from the other end having a modern ( even beko ) machine I may struggle to use this solely as my only dishwasher. As I love to put everything that stands still in mine. But I think I'll play with it for a while. I cannot imagine hanging this on a wall! It's a heavy beast when empty , never mind full and running with water , I'd be frightened it dislodged the bricks and mortar ! If (when ha ha ) I get rich I'd love a large kitchen so I can fit in a few dishwashers and washing machines already to go. That would be useful after a party etc using different machines for different crockery.
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Post# 707004 , Reply# 32 10/3/2013 at 14:12 (3,848 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Which 1965
I have posted up a Which Report from 1965 where this dishwasher is tested, it was probably just launched.
Its on the link CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK | ||
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Post# 707006 , Reply# 33 10/3/2013 at 14:25 (3,848 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Built In
Here is the Kenwood Dishwasher built in, this is from 1968.
Curiously enough, if I remember correctly from another thread, the built in oven is a predecessor model to the one Richard's parents bought in the 1970s. And yes, the English Electric washer and drier stack that you can see on the right are based on Westinghouse designs - actually the second time that happened The complete booklet that this picture come from is on the link CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK 
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Post# 707008 , Reply# 34 10/3/2013 at 14:35 (3,848 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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More trivia
My head must be stuffed with the most useless junk, because I could remember seeing a picture of actress Diana Rigg's kitchen in the mid 1960s - which featured the same dishwasher. I would have been about 9 years old at the time ........
Anyway, a quick google search brought up this from 1967. The picture is actually from the Ideal Home Exhibition from that year, but this display was apparently a replica of her own kitchen. The woman with her is the model Twiggy. The dishwasher is in the back right. The hotplates on the counter are Creda "Quick Discs" which were solid hotplates (not popular in the UK at the time) which were mounted individually into the counter top in whatever configuration and number you wanted. The electric kettle is a Russell Hobbs K2R which is something of a style icon in its own right - almost de rigeur for a UK collector to have :) Al Al 
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Post# 707016 , Reply# 35 10/3/2013 at 15:17 (3,847 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Your head may be stuffed but..
At least you find it , I don't always! I like the idea of a dishwasher higher up but perhaps not best next to the oven? You might come back to your casserole washed out rather than cooked! I must find some old kitchen photos and I've a lovely brochure with kitchens in and the kenwood. I think the manufacture must have recommended them as it was the same kitchen as the one where I got my kenwood in Rochdale
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Post# 707020 , Reply# 36 10/3/2013 at 15:41 (3,847 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 707143 , Reply# 37 10/4/2013 at 05:45 (3,847 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Dream Scheme Kitchens
Oh blast form the past there boys, the only split level kitchens I ever saw was my Aunts (Servis MK3, Hotpoint Purple 1828) red and cream kitchen with all stainless steel Tricity Oven fridge and freezer, AND the showcase kitchen I got the Bendix Giromat from - they had a Wrighton dark green kitchen with all black tricity built in Oven Fridge & Freezer..
Glad you got it all working Richard, pity about the sound , I guess you could insulate the sides back and top but its the single frame door that would be the issue, a great nostalgia trip though!! | ||
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Post# 707178 , Reply# 38 10/4/2013 at 10:00 (3,847 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Wow! What a great find!! Despite having UK roots, I don't think any of my rellies over there had a dishwasher until the 70s or 80s (usually acquired after visiting my late mother here....LOL) so I did not get to see many of the earlier models.
Thanks for sharing your Kenwood find and may it provide you with many more years of fun!! | ||
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Post# 707223 , Reply# 39 10/4/2013 at 15:39 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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A proper which style test !!
I hope you're not getting bored of this thread! But Friday nights have gone from trolling around bars to doing dishwasher tests ( sometimes! ) so I thought I'd do a proper full test on the kenwood.I borrowed an old dinner service from my mam ( my ikea set didn't really fit and my vintage table ware isn't dishwasher safe ) so I created some "dirt" by mixing gravy granules , veg oil and dried rosemary to make a sauce that covered all the dishes, plates and cutlery. I used tomatoe sauce on the inside and bottoms of cups, saucers and glasses. I stacked everything to cover both sides and let them sit for 30 mins ( to re create the after dinner time where chit chat about mortgages , the new maxi, and the price of food at liptons may have taken place in true 70s style! ) I stacked the machine and let them sit another 40 minutes before starting. The machine holds 6 place settings with room for a few extras. I didn't. Pre rinse or scrape anything from crockery
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Post# 707224 , Reply# 40 10/4/2013 at 15:40 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Dirty | ||
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Post# 707225 , Reply# 41 10/4/2013 at 15:41 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Upper rack | ||
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Post# 707226 , Reply# 42 10/4/2013 at 15:42 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Lower rack | ||
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Post# 707231 , Reply# 43 10/4/2013 at 15:53 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Finish detergent
I used program I
I've timed it. This is the longest wash cycle but I thought it would be longer. It's just an extra wash to program II that's lasts 3 min longer. Here are the timings. 0 start machine fill and heat no action 12 wash starts 19 wash finishes and empties 20 fill and heat no action 32 rinse starts 36 rinse finishes and empties 37 fill and heat no action 49 rinse 50 rinse finishes and empties 51 fill and heat no action 63 rinse 64 rinse finishes and empties 65 dry impeller starts with empty machine to dry dishes 69 program finishes. So you can see wash with detergent is on 7 min long cycle, 4 min medium or 1 min short. 
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Post# 707233 , Reply# 44 10/4/2013 at 15:54 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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All loaded | ||
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Post# 707234 , Reply# 45 10/4/2013 at 15:56 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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After | ||
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Post# 707235 , Reply# 46 10/4/2013 at 15:57 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Rosemary | ||
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Post# 707236 , Reply# 47 10/4/2013 at 15:58 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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All dishes | ||
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Post# 707237 , Reply# 48 10/4/2013 at 15:59 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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And dishes | ||
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Post# 707238 , Reply# 49 10/4/2013 at 16:01 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Top rack | ||
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Post# 707239 , Reply# 50 10/4/2013 at 16:02 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Cups clean | ||
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Post# 707240 , Reply# 51 10/4/2013 at 16:03 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Rosemary on outside of glasses | ||
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Post# 707245 , Reply# 52 10/4/2013 at 16:09 (3,846 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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And bowl too
In conclusion in very impressed this little machine cleans well and quickly and without lots of water. I was sceptical that the top rack would clean without upper rotor arm but with careful loading in lower rack they all clean. As long as your meals aren't loaded with dried herbs!
If any dishes had been pre rinsed I think they would have been spotless. The cutlery was gleaming too I was a little unsure as a 6 place setting seemed cramped. I sneaked a look as the main wash cycle drained , all the detergent had dissolved and everything looked clean , the subsequent rinses just add the gleam! I'm going to try a pots n pans wash next ! Thanks for all your interest ! Richard 
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Post# 707250 , Reply# 53 10/4/2013 at 16:32 (3,846 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Well, that's pretty impressive!! I think it's a "keeper"!! I like the pauses to heat the wash and rinse water.
As an impeller-wash lover, I guess I take extra precautions with 'bitty' foods like herbs or pepper flakes. I used to be a manic pre-rinser, but now I'll just give plates or utensils a quick scrape and all turns out fine. Is the solid version of a rinse agent like Jet-Dry available in the UK? If so, give that a try - I find that it helps with the yibblet accumulation on the top rack items. | ||
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Post# 708655 , Reply# 55 10/11/2013 at 17:06 (3,839 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Hi Doug ! | ||
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