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Thread Number: 49037
KitchenAid KDTE554CSS: Dishwasher With A Suds-Saver |
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Post# 710088 10/18/2013 at 22:42 (3,835 days old) by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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 Or more accurately, a rinse water-saver. The new model ($1700) saves the final rinse water in a slim tank attached to the side of the dishwasher for use in the pre-wash of the next cycle. KA claims residual detergent in the final rinse water will discourage mold/bacteria growth. However, if another cycle isn't run within 72 hours, the tank is automatically drained. The system cleans itself once every 30 washes by automatically adding 30 minutes to a cycle to flush the tank and lines.
The new machine is receiving a limited roll-out and is not yet featured at their website, but KA is expected to add the AquaSense Recycling system to more models this spring. It first debuted in Europe a couple of years ago. So far the biggest problem has been customers believing something is wrong with their machine since they don't hear the initial fill.
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Post# 710110 , Reply# 1 10/18/2013 at 23:39 (3,835 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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It's Whirlpool's take the Water Management Bosch introduced five or more years ago. Miele holds patents on a very similar system. Makes me wonder why Bosch didn't have the tank patented in the first place - I mean, no one could have cutlery drawers until Miele's patent expired, but these storage tanks are already catching on. Maybe some other company had it before?
I wonder how much these KitchenAids use? Bosch and Bauknecht both state 6 liters for two washes ans two rinses. | ||
| Post# 710139 , Reply# 2 10/19/2013 at 03:59 (3,835 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Is there an option not to use this feature on these machines? I think you would be prerinsing with cold water. | ||
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Post# 710144 , Reply# 3 10/19/2013 at 04:43 (3,835 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 710159 , Reply# 5 10/19/2013 at 06:42 (3,835 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I was startled to discover most dishwashers made after 2011 had a main wash temp of only 100-110 degrees. We are used to 120-140 degrees fahrenheit in the main wash. Now, it's the final rinse water that is heated to 140-150 degrees on most machines. A sanitize option often heats the rinse water beyond that--155-160 degrees.
It still strikes me as counterintuitive to allow such a cool main wash, but am frequently reminded that new enzyme-laden dishwasher detergents actually work better at 100-120 degrees since the enzymes are deactivated at temps above 120.
I just have to accept that lukewarm is the new hot in both washing machines and dishwashers. I cling to the hope that Steam, Allergy, and Sanitize options will survive in front-loaders. That way I'm guaranteed an internal heater for those loads in which nothing but hot water will do.
I have no problem with the idea of recycling water to pre-rinse dishes. It will be interesting to see how the machine fares in Consumer Reports' tests. The dishwasher in my house runs at least once a day, so AquaSense Recycling would be put to good use.
I'm putting money aside for a new dishwasher sometime in the next year to year-and-a-half. Have had my sights set on a Bosch, but if this KitchenAid gets the nod from CR, I may have to reconsider. | ||
| Post# 710192 , Reply# 6 10/19/2013 at 10:51 (3,835 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Well, I think... | ||
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Post# 710201 , Reply# 7 10/19/2013 at 11:45 (3,835 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 710202 , Reply# 8 10/19/2013 at 11:47 (3,835 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 710239 , Reply# 10 10/19/2013 at 16:05 (3,835 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Commercial Dishwashers Have Been Saving The Final Rinse | ||
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Post# 710258 , Reply# 11 10/19/2013 at 16:50 (3,835 days old) by ultramatic (New York City) |
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Post# 710259 , Reply# 12 10/19/2013 at 17:00 (3,835 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Launderess-- I think the water must be drained away in order for the dishes to dry. Those big commercial Hobart units rinse at very high temps; then the doors are lifted, the rack is pulled out, and the dishes flash dry. I once worked at a local church kitchen with an under-counter commercial Hobart, but I don't recall whether or not it drained the rinse water.
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Post# 710396 , Reply# 14 10/20/2013 at 06:08 (3,834 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Well, EU dishwashers have at least 1800W heater on all standard height modells. But as on washers, the trend is towards smaller heaters. Most Whirlpool washers with the smaller tubs and the dial on the right use 1.85kW in total, so about 1500-1600 for heating. | ||
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