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Post# 711575   10/26/2013 at 21:49 (3,806 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I was surprised to look on youtube tonight and find this! Haven't heard anybody on here talk about the possibility of an exploding Samsung toploader.

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Post# 711582 , Reply# 1   10/26/2013 at 22:31 (3,806 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I am not a fan of the hanging suspension system used in many impeller-based machines. That's one thing the Frigidaire Immersion Care had in its favor---a traditional (and excellent) suspension system.

Post# 711605 , Reply# 2   10/27/2013 at 02:30 (3,806 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

The problem is threefold I think.

The first problem is that stupid suspension system. It feels flimsy. I can easily move the tub around with my hand on these kinds of machines. I don't understand why they can't use a conventional suspension system like what is found in other typical top loaders, unless they're skimping.

Second, these machines are designed with very fast spin speeds, which are completely inappropriate for the suspension. They don't balance out properly and "Go for it" anyway even though it isn't appropriate.

My old GE Top Loader would make a racket when it tried to spin an unbalanced load, but it was programmed so give up and spin slowly or abandon the spin rather than destroy itself.

The third problem, despite the poor suspension and high spin speeds is user error. Even though I very firmly believe that a washer manufacturer should design a machine so that it can't self destruct, the user tends to choose a cycle and/or spin speed which is inappropriate for the load, so the machine can't handle it.

I once put in a pair of pillows into my old Inglis Top Loader machine and the machine gladly shredded them. User error on two parts, first, the gentle cycle wasn't used and second, I tried to wash pillows in an Inglis top loader. :-)

So, basically it all comes down to poor engineering on Samsungs and LG's part. I don't think I'd ever consider buying one of these machines for those very reasons.


Post# 711612 , Reply# 3   10/27/2013 at 05:43 (3,805 days old) by Washman (o)        
All the more reason

I went with Speed Queen. Yeesh........I heard of exploding tires, microwaves, and cell phones but washing machines?

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Post# 711616 , Reply# 4   10/27/2013 at 06:37 (3,805 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
What did you expect from Samsung?!

Gosh, their products of are of appalling quality!
The only thing they manage to do good is advertising, convincing people that what they make is always "the next best thing" and in reality it's just expensive crap...


Post# 711636 , Reply# 5   10/27/2013 at 08:19 (3,805 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        
Not surprising

The (not)quality of these things always shows! I had already previously commented on said video. I wonder if they would pull an LG and slow it down rather than actually fix the problem.


Post# 711693 , Reply# 6   10/27/2013 at 14:32 (3,805 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

LG has called back there machines with the exploding problem and, as I said before, the problem indeed was just to go for it as qualin said. But they are reprogrammed now (and are not slowed down as far as I know, not the thing that happend to Candy/Hoover here in the EU).
I more or less likely think the fault on this one was manufactures sides as the washer was only 7h old and in use. The LG's lasted more then 6 months in the most cases before they exploded.
But anyway, I still would rather buy a LG then a Samsung. They are horrible. Poor you, you don't have Panasonic washers (Till today, I can still say that)...


Post# 711742 , Reply# 7   10/27/2013 at 19:54 (3,805 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yeah, I think any washer should stop before it blows apart... but I also think this woman does not know how to use her washing machine. Look at all the stuff she packed in there: looks like two heavy blankets along with two pillows.






Post# 711747 , Reply# 8   10/27/2013 at 20:15 (3,805 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Marketing

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I think a large portion of the blame should be placed at the feet of the marketing department.  We have all seen the commercials where the woman simply dumps baskets of clothing into the machine without regard for proper loading.  The salespeople at the big box stores lead the purchaser into believing that you can wash whatever will fit into the machine.

 

Shame actually.  These machines are huge and impressive in the store, but after all is said and done, they cannot handle being packed with laundry in the way they are depicted on the commercials.  At the end of the day, they are 16-18 pound machines.

 

Malcolm


Post# 711753 , Reply# 9   10/27/2013 at 20:42 (3,805 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
At the end of the day, they are 16-18 pound machines.

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Whirlpool markets its Cabrio as a 53 lbs. washer in Mexico... Yell



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Post# 711800 , Reply# 10   10/28/2013 at 02:38 (3,805 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
24 kg machine!?!?

Gosh, call that false advertising!
my father has a 20 kg washer at the laundry and the thing weights around 350 kg and it's 1,5 x 1,2 x 1 meters... definitely non that wimpy thing they show you.


Post# 711803 , Reply# 11   10/28/2013 at 02:54 (3,805 days old) by mieleforever (SOUTH AFRICA)        
Marketing...

Yes I think LG & Samsung have got excellent marketing campaigns. I actually read in the Readers Digest of about two months ago that the general South African Public voted LG as a quality and trust worthy brand!!

Can you believe it? That is why LG and Samsung will actually take over the world, its cheap and the ad campaigns are run with military precision. I don't have actual figures but in the average South AFrican Home, LG and Samsung toploaders are the staple. I just can't get over those silly looney tunes at the end of the cycle. The wash performance on those are dismal, but hey as long as it have been in the washer then it's clean!!

Like stated in earlier threads of mine I owned two LG Dishwashers which gave so many troubles, they are Korean Glitter Boxes, and have no substance at all.

I hope this poor lady decides to go with a better brand.

Regards


Post# 711878 , Reply# 12   10/28/2013 at 12:51 (3,804 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
Speed Queen for me

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My eight year old top-loader is used daily. Fixed once (wouldn't agitate) and the serviceman was in and out in about an hour. And after eight years the part was still under warranty.

No "glitter boxes" for me! ( I like that term.) I just want the machine to wash my clothes reliably. So far Speed Queen has done right by me.


Post# 712005 , Reply# 13   10/29/2013 at 00:42 (3,804 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Is Samsung going to recall their "spin-splode" washers even if its user abuse-yes,agree with others here the machine should be able to protect itself from user errors.First its LG-now its Samsung!With these machines doing your laundry is as exciting as testing jet engines in their factory engine test stands and isolated rooms!And machine makers really should forget trying to say their machines can do a dump-truck load of wash at once.

Post# 712028 , Reply# 14   10/29/2013 at 02:36 (3,804 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Shipping Brackets?

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Perhaps the delivery team forgot to remove the shipping bracket and this is an isolated incident.

Malcolm


Post# 712035 , Reply# 15   10/29/2013 at 03:39 (3,804 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

I forgot to mention, LG did issue a field service hotfix for a lot of their washers which limited the spin speed to 700 RPM. This made a lot of people angry. One particular poster on here ranted how they paid for a 1200 RPM machine, they should get one.

In all honesty, the software hotfix was a bit of a hack, but it is an admission by the engineers that they made a mistake when engineering the spin speeds in. They should have either beefed up the suspension or just limted the machines to 700 RPM to begin with.

It makes me wonder now if the newer SQ top loading machines could do 1200 RPM without blowing apart since they have a much better suspension system....



Post# 712046 , Reply# 16   10/29/2013 at 06:13 (3,803 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

These TL machines that have the impeller in the tub just invite users to "Fill her up"and not realize the consequence of their action.Hence they feel they should be able to do that "dump truck" load of mixed wash without problems--they'll learn!

Post# 712051 , Reply# 17   10/29/2013 at 06:50 (3,803 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Look at how nicely this F&P handles the off-balance.
 


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Post# 818167 , Reply# 18   4/8/2015 at 21:08 (3,277 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Samsung Top Load Washer Explodes:




Post# 818185 , Reply# 19   4/9/2015 at 01:46 (3,277 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Didn't Samsung FIX these Spin-Splode problems?Or does the man in the video have an older machine that wasn't "fixed"?

Post# 818190 , Reply# 20   4/9/2015 at 02:54 (3,277 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

As the lady in video number one was a single case, I have my doubts they did anything.
Now this case is the first I really question. First, whats that on the floor there? Just curious, because if that is the load, I would be highly supprised if the load itself was the problem. It would most likely go OOB, but not to cause this kind of damage.
Second: How did that thing dent out one half of the washer more than the other (you see the actual backside of the machine is less dented then the front, which is widley curved), but still manage to turn arround it self by 180°? The washer would have to jump in the air to manage the 180° turn and destroy it self in 3/4ths of a baskets rotation. Not that this is impossible, but verry unlikely.
Further, there is few damage to wall, dryer and other surroundings. So the washer probably destroyed it self the fast way.
My idea so far: The load became OOB with one part of the load at the bottom of the tub, the other on the approximately opposite side pushed up the basket wall about half way. The basket it self was sensed as relatively stabel, it went into spin. Because of the torque the load produced, on side of the tub always produced an upwards force. (Imagine a FL with one part of the load at the back of the drum, the other one at the front, with the washer in distribution. Now, one part of the load is exactly 180° offset to the other. The RPM-pattern of the drum is relativley constant as the 2 parts of the load couter-balance each other. But as one part of the load pushes the back up while the other pushes the front down, the tub devolpes kind of a twisting motion, which gives the drum a front-to-back swing. Same thing can happen to a TL, only that back and front of the tub are tob and bottom.)
Now, this upward force unhooked one of the suspension springs. And from there on, it was a matter of seconds.
But now I wonder, what would happen if the drive system on such a washer shifted into agitation during full speed spin? Wouldn't the tub come to a sudden stop?


Post# 818208 , Reply# 21   4/9/2015 at 06:21 (3,276 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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It almost looks like there is a piece of the suspension bracket hanger missing. Is there nothing to keep the rod from "Jumping" out of the corner bracket?

Makes me wonder if the rods were properly parked in the bracket at the time of delivery. Maybe the installers tipped the machine on its side during installation and the rod simply dis-lodged from the bracket.

Design Flaw!

Malcolm


Post# 818257 , Reply# 22   4/9/2015 at 10:40 (3,276 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

IIRC the whole previous exploding recall was due to thin, plastic suspension brackets. Multiple videos on youtube show them split in half.
Samsung officially claimed the spin speeds were so high the washers' OOB sensors didn't have time to react, which to me is a completely oblivious piece of unmentionable. When a washer enters said high speed no way in hell it will go out of balance anymore. And for that kind of damage the OOB needs to occur very suddenly.
The plastic would break, causing the whole issue. Most of the time it occurred when washing bulky items like comforters, which explains the load was to heavy to support.
So Samsung, instead of changing brackets, decided to lower spin speeds as a recall solution, resulting in barely spun loads. Yeah, that's the repair technique one loves and admires. We stand proud behind our product!
Seems like it's one of the new generation washers since the brackets are metal, yet clearly the suspension rods aren't suspended anymore, as in the video.
All that makes me think, no Samsung whatsoever. Mostly because I *despise* that kind of attitude and solutions. Had just recently the same experience with Keurig - instead of fixing the valve that kept causing too much pressure which would result in hot water with coffee grounds sprayed all over the kitchen, they sent me a 'repair kit' consisting of a little curtain-like handle - so it will spray downwards instead, rather than repairing the unit. Coffee still rather gritty.


Post# 818263 , Reply# 23   4/9/2015 at 11:18 (3,276 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The OOB situation would have to happen verry sudden indeed, but there are 3 ways that can happen.
1. Dislogging. If one rod gets loose, the suspension is made less effective ang uneven it self. And this can happen verry sudden.
2. Mixed loads. Take pillows for example. Soaked with water, they get rather heavy. However, they release a lot of water at low spin speeds quite fast. So, if a user mixes towels and a pillow, and they distribute and seperate (so a bunch of towels on one side, the pillow opposite to them), it could give an severe OOB situation outside the OOB sensing phase. (Washers either use external switches and\or 3D-movement sensors or they only use the RPM\motor current pattern during a certain, predetermined phase. If OOB happens outside this phase, the washer won't sense it. It would only stop if the motor would stall.)
3. Same can happen with waterproof items. If they tangle with some heavy items or create pockets of water, they are pretty heavy and don't release any water, even at low spin speeds. As the washer ramps up, there is certain point at which the water pressure gets to high and the membranes open up. This can mean a lot of weight change in a matter of seconds or less. (Found that out with some waterproof workclothes of my dad. Luckily, I always wash such items seperate!)


Post# 818279 , Reply# 24   4/9/2015 at 13:14 (3,276 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Hmm...

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Can anyone confirm whether this machine has an OOB sensor or does it use a ramp/coast spin profile to determine balance. I would suspect the latter. Once the initial balance validation passes a shift in the load during ramp up goes undetected.

Malcolm


Post# 818295 , Reply# 25   4/9/2015 at 15:32 (3,276 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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This is precisely why I would never have a Samsung appliance, ever. And sadly, because Samsung's top-load washers are almost exact clones of LG's, I really wouldn't have either. Too much marketing towards gimmicks and shiny plastic and chrome, and yet no attention to the components of the machine that are actually important. There are several videos and numerous cases of this exact thing happening. Some user-fault, but others caused by lack of proper engineering in the machine itself.

 

I know that the Bravos uses several slow ramp-ups and slow downs during the final spin. It steps up each time until it senses that the load is balanced. There are some times that I've noticed it hang on whatever minute the timer displays, and sometimes it will stay at a medium speed throughout, but add a few minutes to the cycle. It seems to be very careful about making sure it can properly accelerate to the high-spin. I'm excited that the 880 I'm getting also has the No Spin option, so I'll have more peace of mind washing awkward items and can go in and arrange them properly myself.


Post# 865360 , Reply# 26   2/3/2016 at 14:27 (2,976 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Post# 865366 , Reply# 27   2/3/2016 at 14:51 (2,976 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I'm still verry indifferent about these events.

You see, in my opinion, what ever day to day load you wash (and with that I mean jeans, towels, shirts, underwear, bedding, such stuff; basicly anything day to day, made of cotton, wool or sysnthetic fiber or mixes of such), ANY machine can sense ANY OOB situation and won't do that, unless the suspension fails at more then 1 anchor point. And seeing one machine there with all 4 suspension rods still in place, I doubt that will happen.

And, the 7 hour lady mentioned in that video; I saw her YT channel, and how she loaded it, and honestly, I can see them all doing such stuff, especially because ALL these incidents happend within the warranty period. You know, new machine, lets just throw ANYTHING at it. Manuals? Common sense? Who cares?



This just drives me nuts. You know, its dangerous, no question about that. But why the hell is there no one single person doing the logical thing and take a photo of the load, or write down what was in there, or which cycle they used, or such stuff? I mean, a quick bit of math tells me a usual load of laundry can be well worth north of a few hundred $, with ease. Why is there just a huge "YOU ARE GUILTY!!!" scream by everybody?
And, one odd thing: They seriously keep their broken washers in their laundry room for probably weeks, don't get a replacement, and yet there is no single piece of clothing to be seen, neither arround the broken machine nor the laundry room?


Post# 865480 , Reply# 28   2/4/2016 at 11:39 (2,975 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I agree common sense

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is lacking in A LOT of people - but this has ALWAYS been the case - yet , lately, you hear of these washer explosions, where you didn't really hear about them before - Perhaps the ratio of ignorant people has increased, combined with crappy engineering is the recipe for disaster.....

Post# 865486 , Reply# 29   2/4/2016 at 11:47 (2,975 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Beforehand, people only did such day to day loads. Pillows and most comforters were kind of no go for traditional TLs.

Now, cause they don't know better, they do such comforters and pillows, but don't treat them as special and just bunch them up with normal loads.
Then, the highly absorbent pillow ends up on one side, the rest, less absorbent load on the other side, and then the softer suspension used to get them so silent just can't handle it any more.


Post# 865502 , Reply# 30   2/4/2016 at 12:59 (2,975 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Capacity probably is much larger than their previous washer, which is conducive to home-washing of comforters and the like that probably weren't previously done in the home machine.  The new machines also spin much faster (on Normal or Heavy).  The designated Bulky or Bedding (or even Delicate if advised by the user guide for such items) spins at an appropriately slower speed but of course "we do everything on Normal."


Post# 865596 , Reply# 31   2/4/2016 at 23:49 (2,975 days old) by A440 ()        

Without thinking about brand names or user error....

I can honestly say I have never known of a machine either vintage or new that would get to this point of destruction.  This is crazy!  How could a machine this modern self destruct like this?  Some sensor or something is now working correct.  This is scary. 

 


Post# 865634 , Reply# 32   2/5/2016 at 07:54 (2,974 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
But they weren't washing

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a huge comforter and pillows with other clothes - One guy said he just had a king sheet set and pillow cases and it did this. I understand user error could be part of the problem, but I can't get past that it's something more than just user error.

I could be wrong - but the HE TOP LOAD seems to have more of an 'explosion during spinning' issue that the FL washers - although I think there have been some FL washers explode too.

While searching YouTube for spin explosions - I came across this video review and this was fun to watch.. This lady uses her manual! LOL (good thing)


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Post# 865665 , Reply# 33   2/5/2016 at 10:46 (2,974 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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None of the exploded machines are shown with the load that was running at the time so there's no way to know what was involved.  The fellow who mentioned a set of sheets ... maybe, or maybe something else was included.

The woman in the first linked video has four videos of her machine on her YouTube channel.

This one she says a "small blanket" is running ... but on the Normal cycle.  The lighting is bad but appears to be bunched-up toward one side of the basket.




This clip, she references in the comments as it being "one of the largest washers out there" and "hope it could do two pillows" and "I had the white pillow and the red with black mixed in the washer."  Appears she has two pillows (of different type & size) and at least one other item.  Doesn't say which cycle but I'd suspect Normal again.





Post# 865668 , Reply# 34   2/5/2016 at 11:36 (2,974 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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As much as I despise Samsung as a whole, and as much as I love to see them crash and burn...

...I have to agree and side with them. There are COUNTLESS videos just like these where the person is blatantly doing something that common sense would have told them was wrong. Sadly, common sense is a scarce resource these days.

This one is by far my favorite. I'm also not a GE fan, but seeing her badmouth this machine, clearly not following instructions at all, complaining that the washer won't fill enough after she only starts adding clothes AFTER the sensing phase, I can't help but feel pity for the poor thing. There's no telling how many machines are cluttering the landfills that worked perfectly fine, but had the misfortune of being purchased by brainless heifers like her.



Post# 865681 , Reply# 35   2/5/2016 at 12:48 (2,974 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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There is no doubt that the new high efficiency machines have far less margin of error in their engineering then vintage machines. Margin of error costs money and in the hyper competitive world it won't sell well.

These machines have MUCH greater capacity and spin nearly twice the speed of some older machines. Add into this the economics of not using more material strength then needed and this kind of engineering failure is likely. Used properly this machines will likely never come apart though.

Contrast one of these machines to something like one of the old fast spinning Unimatics. Compare the size of the spin basket and the overall weight of the machine. The potential forces in the new machine are a good bit higher. The new machines can rely on sensors and electronics to a degree to attempt to control these forces, but if something goes amiss then a failure is more likely.

It would be simple to say the machines should just be built like the old ones. But the reality of that is than the machines would be unaffordable and hence die a quick death in the market.


Post# 865685 , Reply# 36   2/5/2016 at 13:51 (2,974 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
ughhh

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Gosh these people are idiots. (facepalm).
What ever happened to people at least "sorta" sorting their loads?

Honestly, the only reason people 'loved' the older machines is they were severely over engineered. People were still so stupid with their machines even back in the day. But the durable materials could handle it more.

Due to cost, you've got companies making these machines that could barely reach a "factor of safety" .... or "factor of stupidity"...of maybe 1.5.
Which lay people meet or exceed all the time.

So far my Maytag Maximas have been AMAZING, and reliable.
Just cleaned the washer for the first time. Smells all fresh; squeaky clean. Wiped off just a hint of grime from the boot. Good as new.


Post# 865741 , Reply# 37   2/5/2016 at 21:57 (2,974 days old) by Brandon ()        

ouch. The one lady with the dogs really hit home as my Boxer LOVES sleeping in the laundry room. That would be terrifying for a dog when that happens.

Post# 865773 , Reply# 38   2/6/2016 at 06:28 (2,973 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I thought both Samsung and LG corrected the spin-splode problems on their end.Seems like customers are still throwing out the washers owners manual with the box!They keep saying"Oh I can run a washer!"famous last words.Seems like these spin splode problems are cockpit errors on the users part-not the machine.And that one user with her GE-that kept adding clothes after the machine did its load sense cycle.No wonder it don't work!!!Guess these folks don't want to tell or show their loads that caused the machine to fail-becuase they will incriminate themselves!

Post# 865779 , Reply# 39   2/6/2016 at 07:45 (2,973 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I actually did NOT know

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that you couldn't add clothes after the washer started in a TL HE washer (LOL). In my Duet FL, I don't do this often, but you can actually pause the machine after it has started to add a garment, then again - my duet is 11 yrs old now..Is this the case in NEW FL washers too now, that it senses the load so you can no longer add anything?



Post# 865788 , Reply# 40   2/6/2016 at 08:32 (2,973 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Depends somewhat on the individual machine, moreso with toploaders.  Some of them run a test routine immediately at start of the cycle involving spinning and/or oscillation to judge the weight of the dry load.  One reason for the slower flow rates and/or filling in "spurts" is to give the load time to absorb water and the machine time to sense/react to the saturation.

Any machine with an "Add Garment" indicator surely can take more items while the light is illuminated ... but it expects the cycle to be paused and restarted so the controller "knows" there was an interruption that may have been for reason of adding an item.


Post# 865790 , Reply# 41   2/6/2016 at 08:51 (2,973 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I really can't see much happening other than the clothes getting all tangled up and covered with lint from all the wear and tear on them. What a mess!

Post# 865801 , Reply# 42   2/6/2016 at 10:14 (2,973 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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My Kenmore 28102 (Cabrio) would add a bit more water if you opened the lid and closed it again while the "Add a Garment" light was still illuminated. I guess to compensate for an additional item.

Post# 865998 , Reply# 43   2/7/2016 at 16:56 (2,972 days old) by tdbowmanusa ()        
jumper

One time I washed a "coverlet" (basically a bedspread) in my little Danby (Gorenje) front loader. It was in my laundry room off the garage. The spin was set to max (1000 rpm). I started it and went inside and a while later I heard this banging noise coming from the garage that sounded like an earthquake! I went into the laundry room and the machine was literally jumping off the floor. This is a machine that weighs several hundred pounds. It had evidently got past its balancing routine and then like someone else said it became unbalanced after the initial part of the faster spin. Although it sounded like the machine might have damaged itself, it was no worse for wear. In fact it still works great! Oh by the way I'm selling it if anybody is interested. I just bought a slightly bigger Bosch.

Post# 866041 , Reply# 44   2/7/2016 at 21:12 (2,972 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Self-Destructing Washers

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When this type of failure occurs the washers load becomes suddenly out-of-balance while spinning at a fairly speed, this can happen when plastic covered bedding and pillows are washed. The plastic holds the water in place and the washer thinks that the load is balanced and ramps in speed, and at some point the spin force causes the plastic to rupture and releases the water creating a severely unbalanced load, this is the same as trowing a 15 pound cinder block in a washer that is spinning at nearly 1000 RPMs.

 

Yes this would even destroy a FD Unimatic, you would not see any flying plastic but as top heavy as a UM is it would likely tip over and due a lot of damage to the inner and outer tubs, mechanism support etc. If any one has an extra UM they want to sacrifice I can demonstrate this, or you can just throw a cement block in it and see how well it holds up.


Post# 870635 , Reply# 45   3/5/2016 at 07:33 (2,945 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Seems like they were washing a comforter and a sheet in one load.




Post# 870658 , Reply# 46   3/5/2016 at 08:53 (2,945 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Did He Say..????

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Let me call the police?

Malcolm


Post# 870662 , Reply# 47   3/5/2016 at 09:43 (2,945 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
How old are these youtube video's?

I will check the dates. The mounts may have since been improved.
You should have seen the one with a gals SS GE profile range that she was blaming GE for the finish on the face plate being scoured off. Thats what she did, with a brillo pad no doubt.


Post# 870664 , Reply# 48   3/5/2016 at 09:46 (2,945 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
those are from 2013.

Nice try!

Post# 870665 , Reply# 49   3/5/2016 at 09:48 (2,945 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Lesson learned,???

As my dad used to tell me, never send a boy to do a mans job.

Post# 870670 , Reply# 50   3/5/2016 at 10:08 (2,945 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Which video is from 2013? It says under both of the last two videos that they were uploaded 2016 (February and March).

Post# 870689 , Reply# 51   3/5/2016 at 14:30 (2,945 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
the one from 2013

is the first one. maybe the other following are the same age washers?

Post# 870767 , Reply# 52   3/6/2016 at 00:42 (2,945 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

"Let me call the police!" Washer is going to be arrested for what crime?Vandalism?Watch those Samsung washers-they are homewreckers!Again--did these folks read the book??Did they use the right cycle for the right load?I just wonder if these incidents were "cockpit errors".

Post# 870800 , Reply# 53   3/6/2016 at 07:52 (2,944 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Right cycle?

Did the load get distributed evenly in the basket by the person washing it?

Post# 871159 , Reply# 54   3/7/2016 at 23:45 (2,943 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        
Adding clothes after the load starts

I can tell you that the GE Harmony will re-sense the load if you open the lid in the first few minutes after agitation begins. I've never played with it to find the exact point in the cycle where it will no longer do this. But we've added items to it many times and seen that it will add more water if it thinks it needs it.


Post# 871223 , Reply# 55   3/8/2016 at 08:02 (2,942 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
David,

All HE top loaders do that. In some instances, the load still can not balance properly though to spin. I.E; A heavy towel mixed with light weight fabrics, or a blanket that reaches only two thirds the way round the tub.
The machine may also drain, and fill repeatedly to try to balance if it keeps tripping the unbalance sensor.
I have witnessed my on Bravos X do this.
In some loads, it is just slightly off balance, and will reach high spin speed, and when it is finished, it has moved slightly on the concrete floor.
I can imagine if I had a first floor laundry on a wooden sub floor, it may have also exploded.
Manufacturers need to re learn how to build a washing machine.


Post# 871249 , Reply# 56   3/8/2016 at 08:58 (2,942 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Subflooring

I doubt subflooring has any contribution to whether it explodes or not. All forces on a TL are directed parallel to the flooring, thus only verry little vibration will transmit to the floor. Thus, the floor has no function in terms of damping or suspension.

And AFAIK, no Bravo washer has exploded yet.


Post# 871250 , Reply# 57   3/8/2016 at 09:04 (2,942 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Henene4, I would agree with your 'forces to the floor' comment except for TL machine designs with a central floor pan pivot point.
My parents' '82 Maytag would regularly flex the floor in corners on spin in a challenging balance situation. So there's definitely some forces going to the floor.
But on the more modern floating tub design with the suspension rods, I believe you're right. I've noticed much less transfer of forces to the floor in those designs.


Post# 871265 , Reply# 58   3/8/2016 at 09:54 (2,942 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
A later type machine

which is not level will walk. An unstable wooden subfloor makes it unlevel when spinning by vibration. A walking machine hits the wall or dryer.
Once that wall or dryer hold the washer still, it can only bounce horizontally, so the tub does the dancing inside the cabinet.
Sound logical?
Perhaps no Bravos has ever exploded, but they have torn up seals and leaked all over the floors.


Post# 871295 , Reply# 59   3/8/2016 at 12:31 (2,942 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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There is one video of a Bravos breaking.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK


Post# 871297 , Reply# 60   3/8/2016 at 12:47 (2,942 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Oh, I never saw that!

And, he even ADMITTED he had a matress pad in there. So we once again have the doubt of wrong use, or at least a special load situation.


Post# 871305 , Reply# 61   3/8/2016 at 13:33 (2,942 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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I've seen that video as well, and I know there are a couple of -negative- Cabrio/Bravos/Oasis videos out there. All of them either clearly admitted what they had done wrong, although they may not think it was wrong themselves, or the machines look like they've been beat to hell and back already and have scum built up all over, which is also a clear indicator of neglect. That goes for any machine, period.

I was taught to never leave the washer unattended when washing any large objects like comforters and mattress pads, etc. Even with machines that seem to be built like tanks and handle imbalances well, like the Maytag Atlantis did, we still never left ear-range just to listen for telltale sounds and could hop over and rearrange to make sure everything went well the first go around.

I do the same with the BravOasis (can't decide between BrOasis and BravOasis, lol) if I ever have the comforters or blankets washing. When it starts to drain I just peek in, assure that it is successfully starting to spin without bumping the sides of the cabinet, and if it needs, I just pop it open, spread things around a little better, and let it go. While I know the machine can sense things like this enough to avoid them, I'd rather not risk the damage or wear it could cause up until that point.


Post# 871307 , Reply# 62   3/8/2016 at 13:42 (2,942 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Broasis, for sure!

Its your washer bro...

Post# 871338 , Reply# 63   3/8/2016 at 16:55 (2,942 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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b'aahahaha!

I vote BrOasis!


Post# 871342 , Reply# 64   3/8/2016 at 17:51 (2,942 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
poppycock,

If I can't even wash a matress pad?
Yes I have in fact, just not by it self, and it was on the bulky cycle. No need of a fast spin as it is not ass dense as sheets. It has breathing holes, so doesn't retain as much water.
No worries getting a little wild with the K Y is there?
Oooowwwhh, did I say that?


Post# 871343 , Reply# 65   3/8/2016 at 18:01 (2,942 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio))        
WHY

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would anyone that works 4 their money put up with these P. O. S. ? & support people that hate us ?

Post# 871397 , Reply# 66   3/8/2016 at 23:46 (2,942 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
@vacerator

If you did so, you did it right.
But the video might be the result of somebody not takeing the least care.


Post# 871424 , Reply# 67   3/9/2016 at 04:57 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Greg, Henrik,

I don't know if they hate us, and I bet there are at least a few of us working in Clyde Ohio for Whirlpool.
Let's be clear on one point though. I don't like my washing machine.
It saves no water or electricity by draining and re filling trying to balance a load of laundry.
Some "Energy Star" appliance. I think it means it shreds easily for the recycle company.


Post# 871432 , Reply# 68   3/9/2016 at 05:59 (2,941 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Not All Mattress Pads

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Not all mattress pads are created equal. Some of them have a moisture barrier to protect the mattress from spills and/or other accidents. These types are problematic for these new HE top loaders.

Malcolm


Post# 871442 , Reply# 69   3/9/2016 at 06:49 (2,941 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I had this happen with a post filter flo GE washer washing pillows though not as bad. It did crack the outer tub and break the tub straps moving it a few feet but the machine did not come apart.


I am sure user error plays a role, but this type of stuff you dont hear about to the in vintage machines.


Post# 871443 , Reply# 70   3/9/2016 at 06:50 (2,941 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Spin-Sploding Washers

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Hi Malcolm, yes it is the mattress covers that have either a plastic membrane or plastic cover that is casing this problem.

 

New TL and FL washers do not have an out-of-balance switch, but rather they rely on the computer sensing uneven motor current to tell if a load is balanced. This system works great, the problem is the load goes out-of-balance when the machine spinning at speeds over 8000 RPMs when the plastic mattress covers plastic moisture barrier ruptures and suddenly releases the water causing the fast spinning load to become balanced. Standing over the washer to try to turn it off will not help, in fact you may be hurt anymore than you can stop a speeding car by walking out in front of it, LOL.

 

Even a heavily built machine like a Frigidaire Uni-Matic could be badly damaged by one of these plastic membraned mattress covers. The main thing in favor or older machines were their smaller diameter tubs so it would be difficult to get a large mattress cover on just one side of the washers tub.

 

John L.

 

 


Post# 871476 , Reply# 71   3/9/2016 at 08:41 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
My matress pad is that,

and posed no problem on hand wash or the bulky cycle on low spin.

Post# 871496 , Reply# 72   3/9/2016 at 10:20 (2,941 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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If you don't like your machine so much, why don't you find something different? Once again we have a case of someone writing off an entire brand of machines just because of a few problems they heard through the grapevine about one particular design, that were user error to begin with.

And to honestly believe Samsung would be a better choice? Okay, good luck.


Post# 871539 , Reply# 73   3/9/2016 at 14:08 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Andrew,

I will when it quits working. Money doesn't grow on trees you know.
Aren't you the kid who hates his parents Samsung refrigerator?
Our son is you age, and until last year, also though money grew on trees.


Post# 871545 , Reply# 74   3/9/2016 at 14:46 (2,941 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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My point was that while you seem to hate the machine, yet claim that it hasn't actually done anything wrong, list it on Craigslist or a similar outlet, and perhaps even check around that same outlet for something used that will fit your requirements, but I thought your sassy response was a nice touch. ;)

You seem quick to throw out these age "insults" everytime someone takes a breath, twice now towards me I might add, when literally nothing relating to "age" or "experience" was even remotely part of the conversation, so might I pour you a bit of enlightenment tea..?

My* Samsung refrigerator, that I own myself. I'm not sure where you got "parents'", never made a mention of any such.

Also, seeing as how you just popped up around here last month, and are clearly making no efforts to get to know anyone, I'll give you a little insight: I know all too well that money doesn't grow on trees. Haven't had a penny granted to me by my parents since the age of 16, and because we didn't have very much in the first place during my childhood, there wasn't much given before that either. I mowed yards and did any number of odd jobs I could starting around age 13, to help buy groceries, and because I wanted us to have -nice- cleaning supplies around the house, like nice laundry detergent so we didn't have to continue using cheap Sun from the Dollar Tree. Sometimes I gave what I had to help turn the utilities or the phone back on. Fast forward to today, and everything I have owned, every car I've owned from the little used '95 Saturn SL1, the 2001 Honda Accord EX-L V6, up to the now 2015 Accord Touring V6 that had 12 miles on the odometer when the key fob hit the palm of my hand, has been paid for by every cent I've earned myself by working to the bone to bring myself up from the situation I was in growing up. That includes the very house I'm in that I had built in 2013 and every piece of furniture and appliance within it. So, in response to your "this generation has no appreciation or concern for hard work and responsibility"-esque comments, I couldn't honestly care less that I am "your son's age" or what you or your son think. It holds absolutely no relevancy to me. Have a blessed day.




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Post# 871565 , Reply# 75   3/9/2016 at 16:58 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Andrew,

yes, I am blessed, and I do not pass my junk off unto others who may need a dependable machine.
Maybe I should bring out a quality washer that is built to last.
Think I can survive the global junk infusion?
Can Whirlpoo stop me?
How do you know who I know or don't know?


Post# 871569 , Reply# 76   3/9/2016 at 17:18 (2,941 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

Vacerator
Members of AW do not go around bashing each other. In your short time here many see you as being a know--it-all who isn't always right, always has to get the last word in and not as knowledgeable as you seem to see yourself.
I've been a member for 10 years and yes, I've been corrected from time to time, but I don't take it personally as you seem to do. I'm not as in to washers as I am into ranges, dishwashers and the ever wonderful vacuum. I only post when I know I have something I know will add to the conversation that I can say with REAL knowledge. Please be respectful of other members and their vast amounts of knowledge before you want to take them down a peg. Courtesy and respect is all we ask!
Greg Bushman


Post# 871574 , Reply# 77   3/9/2016 at 17:30 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Greg,

I can take the criticism, unlike Andrew. Do I sound like a know it all? I never claim to be, as I have thanked several members for their information.
Also, you are almost correct, I am never right, only always LEFT!
Did you read Andrews arrogant advice on that I should get rid of it by pedaling it to an unsuspecting person on Craigslist? How exactly did Andrew "not" bash me, and how exactly did I bash him?
My fathers best friend was a Whirlpool engineer, back in the day, when they made good machines.
Half nice day!


Post# 871576 , Reply# 78   3/9/2016 at 17:33 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Also Greg,

it must be like a mirror, because by you calling me a know it all is also bashing me. See?
Why not simply ignore the post?


Post# 871589 , Reply# 79   3/9/2016 at 18:20 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
My Bravos was

overhauled last winter under extended warranty. It has done plenty wrong both before and since.

Post# 871590 , Reply# 80   3/9/2016 at 18:23 (2,941 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
No one handed me

anything either. I have worked from age 16. Eleven if you count paper routes.
My folks had very lean years also. I am the eldest of five, and my folks are gone. Both grew up very poor.


Post# 871623 , Reply# 81   3/9/2016 at 21:27 (2,941 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)        

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Well, there goes another member for my block list.

Post# 871673 , Reply# 82   3/10/2016 at 06:09 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Don,

only one member? Who?
Touche' then.
The original discussion was between two of us, and then a third trolled along.


Post# 871685 , Reply# 83   3/10/2016 at 06:40 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
After last night,

I needed a spinal block. LoL.

Post# 871695 , Reply# 84   3/10/2016 at 08:01 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
This summer,

I'll be cruising in my 1977 Pontiac Grand Prix. From when cars still had style, and were more than point A to B.

Post# 871991 , Reply# 85   3/12/2016 at 03:08 (2,939 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

8,000RPM spin speed?Was it 800RPM?The matteress cover-when it breaks-we figure the washers spin management system cannot deal with the sudden change in load.8,000RPM would be the speed of a lab centrifuge-some can go to 30,000RPM!And yes these are enclosed in fairly stout metal cabinets-at that speed broken glass test tubes would be schrapnel like a hand grenade tossed into the room!International
Centrifuge makes the lab units.Remember some models look kinda like wringer washers with the wringer removed.


Post# 872000 , Reply# 86   3/12/2016 at 04:30 (2,938 days old) by centenialguy ()        
tolivac,

not to mention, that most of the parts would melt at that speed from the heat.
The redline of a V-12 S600 is only 6,000 rpm's.


Post# 872009 , Reply# 87   3/12/2016 at 06:49 (2,938 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Yes,parts would melt unless they were designed to run at that speed.Don't know much about S600 V-12 Gas turbine jet engines primary rotors run at 10,000 RPM to 15,000RPM and have pressure lubed bearings.The secondary rotor runs at 4,000 RPM-turning the big fan as on a widebody jet engine or as a power turbine for turning a genset for electric power,pumping and compressing natural gas,running ship props thru a transmission.This gas turbine would generate 40,000-50,000 HP!Yes lets spin the washer drum with THAT!!!

Post# 872020 , Reply# 88   3/12/2016 at 08:25 (2,938 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Oops

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Rex I meant 800 not 8000RPMs but I guess that everyone else figured that out.

Post# 872054 , Reply# 89   3/12/2016 at 12:21 (2,938 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        
jet engines

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The vast majority of those jet turbines DO run at temps and speeds beyond their melting point. But they are also strategically cooled with low compressor air through vanes and holes in the turbine blades that keep them cool in the abusive environment. If that 1500F "cooling" air ceases even for a second, those high turbine parts melt and seize quite quickly.



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Post# 872056 , Reply# 90   3/12/2016 at 12:39 (2,938 days old) by centenialguy ()        
Yes Johnb300, and

Chrysler used a York/Airtemp R12 refrigerant compressor to keep the gas turbine cool also.

Post# 872199 , Reply# 91   3/13/2016 at 00:45 (2,938 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Yes,I figured it was a typo-Wouldn't want to be around a washer that spins at 8,000RPM thats unbalanced!!!
And yes as JohnB300m points out turbine blades are cooled with compressor bleed air.On very RARE occasions this fails with bad things happening!For the most part gas turbines are VERY reliable engines!!
Never heard of refrigerants cooling turbine blades-at the temps the blades operate at the refrigants would break down to toxic and corrosive gases.The bleed air method is the most used.The cooling system with refrigerants would add considerable weight-say for aircraft.For aircraft the engine has to be lightweight as possible.Good reason why many engines had compressed air starters-the electric motor and battery supply required would be too heavy.Newer generation engines can be electically started.Hence in the older days why "start carts" were used.



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