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Post# 712987   11/3/2013 at 15:16 (3,798 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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After many years of having to use laundromat washers most of which give warm water on the hot setting and all of which give only a 9 minute wash time, I noticed my whites were looking quite dingy. I've tried different detergents with and without oxygen bleach and even used Arm and Hammer Washing Soda. There was slight improvements but not drastic. A couple years back I did laundry at a friends house equipped with a water softener and noticed a major improvement. So recently I've been curious to try White King so I finally bought a box. Washed some whites in the hottest water possible and followed the directions on the box. I must say I'm in love with this stuff. My socks came out completely clean and much whiter than before. I can't wait to try it in a regular washer with a full wash cycle. I highly recommend it!
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Post# 712990 , Reply# 1   11/3/2013 at 15:21 (3,798 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 712993 , Reply# 2   11/3/2013 at 15:44 (3,798 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 712996 , Reply# 3   11/3/2013 at 16:09 (3,798 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 713004 , Reply# 4   11/3/2013 at 16:33 (3,798 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Available in Supermarkets (Rain Drops, Calgon, White King) don't contain Phosphates, and haven't in Years.
Calgon is Sodium Sesquicarbonate, a variant of Sodium Carbonate, and supposedly complexes just like STPP or Sodium Hexmopolyphosphate would. Even in the Late 70's Calgon had special formulas, that were Phosphate Free for areas "limiting" phosphates. Although, Thanks to the 1980's & 90's bans, and the Automatic Dishwashing Phosphate Bans, there are no more phosphate laden Booster products on store shelves. Even in states without any bans, whatsoever. Unless of Course, were talking about NOS ;) |
Post# 713013 , Reply# 5   11/3/2013 at 17:23 (3,798 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 713034 , Reply# 6   11/3/2013 at 19:14 (3,798 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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I wonder if this stuff is sold in Texas? I've never seen it here. |
Post# 713046 , Reply# 7   11/3/2013 at 20:27 (3,798 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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a thread about White King water softener a while back.
Somehow I got the impression that it had phosphates in it? Think it was due to the MSDS. However what's listed on the box (washing soda) and the weight of the box, make me think it dose not contain phosphates. I called the Company, and explained that the MSDS said one thing, but the label on the box said another! (Think it was made by Sun) I never did get a straight answer from them. One of those things that I left as a mystery! |
Post# 713053 , Reply# 8   11/3/2013 at 20:50 (3,798 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Yes, White King is made by the same manufacturer that makes Sun detergents - Huish.
This probably positions it as a "value" alternative to Calgon - which, trust me, they ain't givin' away. Every Huish product I've ever used was excellent value for money. I currently use their Cuddle Soft liquid fabric softener (gotta keep that Maytag softener dispenser useful!) and their Sun oxy powder. Another virtue of Huish products is that they still make products in quieter scents, without the P & G stinky-poo fruit salad smells. |
Post# 713061 , Reply# 9   11/3/2013 at 22:26 (3,798 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 713062 , Reply# 10   11/3/2013 at 22:26 (3,798 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 713063 , Reply# 11   11/3/2013 at 22:29 (3,798 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 713065 , Reply# 12   11/3/2013 at 22:33 (3,798 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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Another virtue of Huish products is that they still make products in quieter scents, without the P & G stinky-poo fruit salad smells. You must be referring to the wango-tango-mango scents P&G loves so much. |
Post# 713069 , Reply# 13   11/3/2013 at 23:47 (3,798 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 713072 , Reply# 14   11/4/2013 at 01:02 (3,798 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Stan, yes, it is heavy for its size...much like All or Dash were at the time.
I suspect you're right about it being a mix with STPP, because SS is definitely precipitating by itself. How else could they claim White King was non-precipitating? Wikipedia says SS forms crystals, and you can see crystalline forms in the WK powder. That reminded me of the older Calgon that was available up to ten or so years ago, that was clearly marked as having phosphates. But Mich says it had SS, so the two ingredients must not be incompatible. |
Post# 713074 , Reply# 15   11/4/2013 at 02:27 (3,798 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 713077 , Reply# 16   11/4/2013 at 03:54 (3,798 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Chloride Sodium Silicate Sodium Polycarboxylate Sodium Gluconate CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrboilwash's LINK |
Post# 713078 , Reply# 17   11/4/2013 at 04:09 (3,798 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 713080 , Reply# 18   11/4/2013 at 04:22 (3,798 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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The combination of Phosphates and Sodium Sesquicarbonate was also found in Calgon Bath Beads. Don`t know if it`s still in production.
Have brought a package from a trip to the States some years ago, but never understood the idea of putting something alkaline into bath water. My skin wasn`t fond of it either. |
Post# 713085 , Reply# 19   11/4/2013 at 05:17 (3,798 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 713096 , Reply# 20   11/4/2013 at 08:08 (3,798 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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Usually I don`t use soap, but bodywash which isn`t alkaline at all.
Soap has been OK for centuries but you don`t soak for an hour in "real soap" suds as you might do in a product for the bath tub. But back on topic. I thought of using the Calgon Bath Beads as a laundry booster but finally tossed it, because it also had mineral oil and who knows what else in it. Could imagine the Sodium Polycarboxylate in White King to keep the washing soda from precipitating with hard water minerals. |
Post# 713108 , Reply# 21   11/4/2013 at 10:33 (3,797 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 713120 , Reply# 22   11/4/2013 at 11:38 (3,797 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 713141 , Reply# 23   11/4/2013 at 13:28 (3,797 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 713147 , Reply# 24   11/4/2013 at 13:51 (3,797 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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ll over, but it's extremely hard to find, ALL powder, in any form in my area... Sad, I hear it's good stuff :) We find it at Walmart here, always stocked. $4.88 for a 40 load box. Not too badly priced, and it cleans very well. |
Post# 713165 , Reply# 25   11/4/2013 at 15:22 (3,797 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Hey sorry for the late reply. There is a Mexican supermarket chain here where I can get those detergents. I actually was using Ariel with phosphates a year ago. Results weren't bad but not as good as with the White King and I love the scent of the Ariel. Stan, I've used the White King on a few loads like towels and colored clothes with great results. Everything is much fresher smelling too. Oh and I'm using it with Gain powder. I use a half cup of White King and half the amount of detergent as per the instructions. I get a good amount of suds but not too much and the rinse water is crystal clear.
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Post# 713172 , Reply# 26   11/4/2013 at 15:48 (3,797 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Well no, wouldn't recommend them for laundry. Aside from the scent and often colouring agents the stuff does contain skin softening agents.
All Calgon products grew out of the original CAL-cium g-ON-e formula (get it, CALGON), which was mainly a phosphate laden product used at first for softening water in steam boilers/engines (locomotives, ships, heating, etc...), then later dishes and laundry. Indeed the makers of Calgon touted it's ability to soften water and thus rinsing cleanly as hygienic for when doing foodservice ware including the military at the time. As detergents replaced soaps for laundry and cleaning and diesel replaced steam Calgon had to find other uses. As many laundry and other cleaning products contained phosphates the need for a separate product such as Calgon was eliminated, again this hurt sales. Enter Calgon bath beads and so forth for all the same reasons you'd soften wash water. Have had many early packages of Calgon (in silver paper wrapped boxes) and one could use it for many personal care routines. From bathing to washing one's hair, anything that involved using soap with hard water. |
Post# 713257 , Reply# 27   11/4/2013 at 21:18 (3,797 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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You must be using a T.L !
It would be interesting to do Laundress's test with the glass of warm water, and compare it with ordinary washing soda, just for the off chance they've got something more going on in there! If it is mostly washing soda, and your using a powdered detergent...combined, well, that's a lot of washing soda! On the other hand, if it's working for you... Keep us posted Vern. |
Post# 713313 , Reply# 28   11/5/2013 at 02:59 (3,797 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 714511 , Reply# 29   11/11/2013 at 02:07 (3,791 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 714516 , Reply# 30   11/11/2013 at 03:44 (3,791 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 714525 , Reply# 31   11/11/2013 at 05:19 (3,791 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 714576 , Reply# 33   11/11/2013 at 12:16 (3,790 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 714587 , Reply# 34   11/11/2013 at 13:09 (3,790 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 714592 , Reply# 35   11/11/2013 at 13:24 (3,790 days old) by rustyspaatz ()   |   | |
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basically a box of salt. |
Post# 714599 , Reply# 36   11/11/2013 at 13:56 (3,790 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 714613 , Reply# 37   11/11/2013 at 14:36 (3,790 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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would only have a P.H of 7 (neutral)
Have done a couple of experiments with W.K, results to follow. One of the reasons for washing soda, is that it boosts alkalinity, binds with hard water, and help shift oil. Since W.K has the same P.H, and at lest "appears" to be less precipitating, it "may" be a much better option, short of using STPP (P.H of around 9) |
Post# 715034 , Reply# 38   11/13/2013 at 06:45 (3,789 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Post# 715072 , Reply# 39   11/13/2013 at 13:05 (3,788 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 715651 , Reply# 40   11/16/2013 at 05:02 (3,786 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 715667 , Reply# 41   11/16/2013 at 08:20 (3,786 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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Is listed on there salt packets, and from my limited tasting, they seem do be, actually, really salty goodness ;)
Anyhow, typically, water softening products, (like White King ) contain, strong Builder Agents, and these agents will actually pull calcium and magnesium deposits, out of clothing. Clothes, really do look much better when washed in Soft Water, or Softened water, because those Calcium Deposits, actually work against, and bind with your detergent, and they get all trapped in the fibers, giving you that nasty dingy look.
Everyone seems to think, Clorox is the answer, but when it reacts to Hard Water, you get that pastel Yellow look. I think for you, the White King, or another packaged water softener product, is going to give you the best results. |
Post# 715681 , Reply# 42   11/16/2013 at 10:40 (3,785 days old) by retropia ()   |   | |
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I've been looking, but so far haven't been able to find White King or Rain Drops locally. |
Post# 715722 , Reply# 43   11/16/2013 at 15:53 (3,785 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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White King....
USED to contain STPP. Then about 10-15 years ago, they started with different formulations. They would stamp a faint mark on the boxes to indicate what the softener was. A "P" meant STPP. A "Z" meant Zeolites. I think there was a third marking that meant just washing soda, but I don't recall what that was. Gradually the "P" stamped boxes disappeared and all that was left were the "Z" boxes. It would not surprise me if the current stuff is not stamped at all, and they all contain Zeolites or some other non-phosphate softener. Zeolites would be listed as aluminum silicate, if listed at all. Detergent labeling in the USA is still a hit-and-miss affair. It doesn't seem that mfgs are required to reveal much of anything on the ingredients list, unless there is something definitely toxic in the mix. I remember using White King Laundry detergent back in the 60's and 70's. It was pretty good stuff, high sudsing, great for top loaders. Probably loaded with phosphates. Sodium sesquicarbonate is indeed a mix of sodium bicarb and sodium carb. It will precipitate out hard water minerals. Not sure what is in the current White King booster that prevents ppt. Perhaps it's the unlisted zeolites. The stampings on White King were of a grease-pencil or china marker type of ink. So they rubbed off the slick box surface pretty easily. Often it was difficult to tell just what the marking was. I doubt very much that the table salt McDonald's provides is made primarily of zeolites (aluminum silicate). Perhaps it's added as a drying agent in trace amounts? |
Post# 716159 , Reply# 44   11/18/2013 at 23:59 (3,783 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 716213 , Reply# 45   11/19/2013 at 05:20 (3,783 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 716215 , Reply# 46   11/19/2013 at 05:55 (3,783 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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Please pardon me for being a smart ass again, but I seriously doubt that there are Zeolites in current White King despite of the "Z" in its production code.
Zeolites don`t dissolve in water so the water would be cloudy or at least they would settle to the bottom of the glass after a while. However, the link I posted earlier to the White King`s ingredients list referes to a particular UPC code (10072613711113) |
Post# 716308 , Reply# 47   11/19/2013 at 16:01 (3,782 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 716329 , Reply# 48   11/19/2013 at 17:41 (3,782 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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It O.K to be a smart ass LOL
And I think your right! Just wanted to show the number. Vern, I've never used the W.K and STPP together. I'm out of STPP now, and been too lazy to order. I have mixed the W.K with a little Borax, and have used the W.K with liquid non chlorine bleach. And other than the glass of water test, That's as far as I've gone with it. A few times the surfactant I used was a little lye soap in the mix. So far I'm finding that it's doing a deceit job... How much better than ordinary washing soda... ? I think a bit better. Or it just wish full thinking! |
Post# 716431 , Reply# 49   11/20/2013 at 05:22 (3,782 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 716521 , Reply# 50   11/20/2013 at 14:14 (3,781 days old) by stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 716717 , Reply# 51   11/21/2013 at 04:48 (3,781 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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