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Thread Number: 49578
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Post# 716817 11/21/2013 at 13:05 (3,801 days old) by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I can resist everything except temptation! My LG dishwasher began to leak around the door again, and rather than fix it, I decided to throw a few shekels to an American corporation. Had planned to get a Bosch, but the new GE PDT750 caught my attention. It is the highest-rated machine (Consumer Reports) that is available in my little town. I've never owned a GE dishwasher, and its overall score at CR (79) matched that of the twice-the-price Bosch I was looking at. The Bosch is quieter and has the third rack for silverware that my LG has...but the silverware basket on the GE can be divided into three sections, and can be placed in the top rack.
The dealer (LG, GE, Whirlpool, Speed Queen) had a nicely-appointed GE from last year's line on the floor, but I decided against it. The PDT750 out-scored it substantially, and the older model had silverware baskets mounted to the front of the top and bottom racks, meaning both racks were indented. With the larger racks on the new model, I can pull out the silverware basket to maximize room for pots/pans, or put it in the top rack. More flexibility. Both my LG and the new GE scored Excellent for cleaning, and if there's anything I'm concerned about, it's that the new GE won't clean pots/pans as well as the LG does. Guess I'll find out in two weeks, when the new machine arrives and is installed. Finally, I got a great price for the GE ($950) because I'd just purchased a Speed Queen washer from him, and he felt bad that the LG was leaking again, after only 5-1/2 years. I didn't bother to tell him the LG had been ridden hard and put away wet, and that I tend to switch out dishwashers frequently. 
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Post# 716864 , Reply# 2 11/21/2013 at 15:58 (3,801 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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 Having seen your dishwasher tests and trials over the years and how satisfied you were with the LG's performance, I can't wait to see what you think of the new GE model. GE has really made an effort to beef up their performance in the last few years, hopefully you'll have a good experience that lasts longer than the LG.
Chuck, what do you not like about your Bosch? I have no dog in the game as I won't give up my 18 series KitchenAid for love nor money! | ||
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Post# 716875 , Reply# 3 11/21/2013 at 16:23 (3,801 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Ganksy-- The gasket along the inside bottom of the door on the LG had become deformed, so water was able to leak out. It should have been replaced at the same time as the main gasket/seal around the front lip of the machine. The machine still works perfectly. This was simply the tissue-thin excuse I needed to try a new dishwasher. If the GE doesn't satisfy, then it's on to a Bosch. The LG is a champ in the pots/pans department, so that's my main concern with switching to a GE.
The PDT750 scores substantially higher than the last generation GEs. In fact, it scores higher than the upscale Monogram line. It lists for $1299, and I just couldn't pass up the great price offered me. It's always fun to get a new appliance, especially when trying a brand for the first time. It's also my first dishwasher with a manual-clean filter. In all areas but frequency-of-repair, the LG will be a tough act to follow. Chuck-- I'm also curious as to what you don't care for in the Bosch. The main complaint I've found is that the narrow rows of tines don't always accept bulky American dishes well. This post was last edited 11/21/2013 at 17:50 | ||
| Post# 716880 , Reply# 5 11/21/2013 at 16:54 (3,801 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.) | ||
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as far as loading I have no problems with the bosch. it is one of the newer redesigned models out this year, 800 series but not made in Germany. | ||
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Post# 717037 , Reply# 7 11/22/2013 at 10:01 (3,800 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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washer111: The GE PDT750 has a filtration system that must be cleaned manually; a first for me. Not sure how I feel about that, but nearly every top-of-the-line machine has manual filters these days, including the brands I had been considering. I don't scrape dishes often, so I'll have to get used to cleaning the filter frequently or start being a diligent scraper.
I chose not to go with Maytag, Whirlpool, KitchenAid or Frigidaire, as they are noisier than my LG. My goal has been that each succeeding dishwasher be quieter than the one it replaces---hence my interest in the Bosch line. Don't know if the GE will be quieter than the LG, but it shouldn't be any noisier, at any rate. I was also looking for a Consumer Reports score of Excellent for cleaning, as the LG has really spoiled me in that department, especially with pots/pans. I will definitely put the GE through the tough pots/pans test when it arrives. Hoping not to be too disappointed. I don't even have one of those little pan scrubbers, anymore. Haven't had to scrub a pan since acquiring the LG. On the rare occasion the LG missed a spot, it was always easily removed with a moistened paper towel. Chuck: I was looking at the TOL Bosch, which is in the 800 series. I'm concerned that you've found it doesn't handle pots/pans well. Do you have hard water? I have a water softener and use a high-rated detergent (Cascade Platinum Pacs), which generally produce excellent cleaning results in almost any machine. This post was last edited 11/22/2013 at 13:42 | ||
| Post# 717058 , Reply# 8 11/22/2013 at 12:41 (3,800 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
Great choice! The GE dishwasher we bought for the tenant here is working out well. He did have an issue with the detergent dispenser when he put tall items in front of it and it wouldnt open right. I told him to either put the taller stuff to the sides of the silverware basket or move the basket into the lower rack on the side. The dishwasher is nearly silent when loaded up. Washing is superb, drying on the other hand is another story. The tenant usually unloads the dishwasher days after is run so by then the load is dry. I told him if he needed a load after the cycle is done, just open the door to flash dry the load. You will have to use rinse aid for it to dry. The heating element runs at 800 watts to heat the water and 400 to dry the dishes.
Now the funny thing is that even though it has manual cleaning filters, like my Miele, I find I dont have to clean them that often since it does clean itself to a point. The GE is the same way. The wash pump may be small and the motor looks at tad tiny but it certainly is no slouch. Its the combo of jet hole size and velocity that does the job. The bottom arm when it runs does reach to the top of the tank with jets and its powerful. It usually switches arms every so often bottom first then the middle and top together. If you use AutoSense and let the machine figure out what to do you should get great results. | ||
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Post# 717064 , Reply# 9 11/22/2013 at 12:54 (3,800 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 717072 , Reply# 10 11/22/2013 at 13:50 (3,800 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Cool!
Yes, it's time for a wash-off, I think! :) I still have one Cascade Pac left... Good thing you didn't get the Bosch (no issues with cleaning performance here: mine will wash charred pasta off enamel pots) but there's no quieter dishwasher out there. What would you get that's even quieter when you need to replace a Bosch? Definately looking forward to your infamous and rigorous testing. Alex CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
| Post# 717078 , Reply# 11 11/22/2013 at 14:38 (3,800 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Its the same detergent dispenser that slides up and down. In your new machine you shouldnt have issues with silverware blocking it from sliding up and out. I did notice that this dishwasher has a hidden Calrod element and its a robust 1000 watts. For drying it has a small 2 watt fan to pull the steam and air out of the tank and down into a condensation area in the door. My Miele does that but with a fan that blows room temp air over the condensation system and has an air intake at the top of the tank. Air is returned to the bottom and it continues. In my dishwasher it works very well. Plastics do need some tending to with a hand towel but its not an issue.
The racks on your new machine look like they can hold alot. Now there was no mention I could see about the third cutlery rack on top of the tank. I found it in the manual though and that will come in handy if you want to use 100% of the lower rack for pots and pans or just about anything else. I am curious to see if the heater is inside the pump like mine is or off to the side like a Bosch but still hidden in the water sump. In the Miele the heater can boost the water temp rather fast since its in the pump housing and its quite effiecent at that. If I had to replace my beloved Miele ,and I dont thank gawd, this is one model I would certainly give the nod to. | ||
| Post# 717090 , Reply# 12 11/22/2013 at 16:28 (3,800 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.) | ||
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i have soft water my bosch is the 800 series made in usa, I think there is an 800plus made in Germany. it looks the same but people have said the cleaning is superb on the german manufactured model. sorry no caps, my right hand is in a cast and I am trying to type this left handed and it takes me forever. | ||
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Post# 717136 , Reply# 13 11/22/2013 at 19:23 (3,800 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Mike-- My GE doesn't have the third cutlery rack at the top of the tub. I believe that feature can be found in the Monogram (or perhaps even the Cafe) line. I can, however, remove part or all of the cutlery basket from the bottom rack when the space is needed for cookware. The hidden heating element (as in the LG) was also a selling point. The GE has no steam feature, something which helped clean pots/pans in the LG.
Chuck-- The Bosch I was considering was the 800 Plus Series, model SHX9PT75UC, rated at 38 decibels. The GE is rated at 42 decibels. My LG is rated at 45. Take care of your yourself! Must be a pain to have your dominant hand in a cast. Alex-- I don't think there's a dishwasher as quiet as the Bosch mentioned above. I'll have reached the zenith of quiet at that point, LOL. This post was last edited 11/22/2013 at 19:48 | ||
| Post# 717141 , Reply# 14 11/22/2013 at 19:46 (3,800 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 717142 , Reply# 15 11/22/2013 at 19:52 (3,800 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 717383 , Reply# 16 11/24/2013 at 10:08 (3,798 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Shedding nuts and bolts like a 1980 Fiat: The LG has stopped heating water. Noticed it last night when two loads were run, both of which were supposed to heat the water to 160 degrees; neither of which came even close. Made cinnamon rolls for a benefit bake sale this morning and that load of bakeware isn't getting heated, either. I'm starting to believe it realizes it's being replaced by a younger, prettier model and is in rebellion mode, LOL.
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| Post# 717397 , Reply# 17 11/24/2013 at 11:29 (3,798 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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That's funny how your LG is slowly rebelling and eventually will bite the dust shortly. The new dishwasher has a variable speed motor instead of one speed. I was looking at the parts breakdown for it on Sears PartsDirect and it's built very similar to the GE dishwasher we put in the tenants apt. For a cheap close out machine that we bought, it's doing quite well so far. I think you will be happy with yours.
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Post# 717425 , Reply# 18 11/24/2013 at 12:27 (3,798 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 717473 , Reply# 20 11/24/2013 at 17:20 (3,798 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 717474 , Reply# 21 11/24/2013 at 17:22 (3,798 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts) |
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| Post# 718289 , Reply# 23 11/28/2013 at 11:07 (3,794 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan) | ||
GE is now a good brand. I just got a brand new Whirlpool Durawash 24'' dishwasher. It was originally made in 2005 or something but I got it at Best Buy for a great deal. And, the water is so hot that when I opened the dishwasher during the cycle it filled the kitchen with steam. We have a pretty big kitchen too. But its a great dishwasher.
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Post# 719287 , Reply# 24 12/4/2013 at 19:37 (3,788 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Update: Well, the LG took one final parting shot. The drain hose was cracked near the end that connected to the dishwasher, and this is what we found when it was pulled out. Fortunately, insurance is covering the damage to the floor and replacement of floor covering.
The kitchen has been emptied of appliances (which are now in the dining room), and over the next couple of weeks it will get new flooring, a much-needed paint job, and the new GE dishwasher. It has arrived and is being held at the dealership until the kitchen is ready for it. In the meantime, I'm cooking with a microwave and a couple of Crock Pots/slow cookers...and doing dishes by hand (gasp)! 
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Post# 719305 , Reply# 26 12/4/2013 at 21:12 (3,788 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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The LG was awesome in its cleaning power--especially with pots/pans, as I've often noted--and it had many features I used all the time. I went into it knowing the reliability factor was not good (as predicted by Consumer Reports). It washed nearly three times the number of loads of the "average" machine in its five-and-half years. If the drain hose had failed completely, I'd have caught the problem right away. Unfortunately, it leaked just enough to keep the sub flooring soaked, but water never appeared on top of the vinyl floor covering to signal a problem was at hand.
I'm looking forward to trying out the new GE...eventually, LOL. | ||
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Post# 719337 , Reply# 27 12/5/2013 at 02:24 (3,788 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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LG after this story about their dishwashers will AVIOD LG at all costs-lets see- LG is good at making "Spin-splode" washers and dishwashers that leak-ruining your subfloors-will your householders insurance cover the damage-might want to check with them.Mine thru Nationwide-has such a clause. | ||
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Post# 719359 , Reply# 28 12/5/2013 at 06:10 (3,788 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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It's ironic that a seemingly mundane part caused the problem: A cracked drain hose. The motor/pump/wash system/main seal never missed a beat, despite heavy use. Goes to show how important those mundane parts really are!
In the past eleven years: Frigidaire dishwasher had constant problems with electronics. The Maytag that replaced it nearly started on fire. The LG that replaced Smoky The Maytag caused substantial floor damage. Maybe it's time I looked into one of those commercial under-counter models. It's becoming obvious residential dishwashers are unable to survive in my kitchen, LOL! Rex: My homeowner's policy states that "leakage or seepage which occurs over a period of weeks, months, or years is not covered" so I thought they'd refuse the claim. They consider that sort of thing a 'failure to maintain.' I argued that there was no visible or audible evidence of a problem, so it wasn't a failure to maintain on my part. Insurance did pony up for the costs in the end. This post was last edited 12/05/2013 at 07:07 | ||
| Post# 720507 , Reply# 29 12/11/2013 at 05:21 (3,782 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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Post# 720519 , Reply# 30 12/11/2013 at 07:14 (3,782 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Update #2: The sub flooring and underlayment are in place! The vinyl flooring should arrive later this week, with installation (fingers crossed, everyone!) some time next week. I'm going to paint tonight and tomorrow night. Hoping to make Christmas meals in my freshened kitchen with a new dishwasher to play with.
For the curious: jkbff (see post above) offered to take the LG dishwasher off my hands, but it has been repaired and moved on to its new home. I'm hoping it behaves itself! | ||
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Post# 720563 , Reply# 31 12/11/2013 at 11:45 (3,781 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Have my fingers crossed | ||
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Post# 720580 , Reply# 32 12/11/2013 at 13:11 (3,781 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 720634 , Reply# 33 12/11/2013 at 16:15 (3,781 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I think Miele makes a similar claim. I'm actually surprised that most US dishwashers don't offer such a system. AquaStop is also missing from practically all washing machines. I don't want to imagine a leaking 2nd floor washer that might even be installed in a room with these vents in the floor to distribute warm air.
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| Post# 721051 , Reply# 34 12/13/2013 at 14:11 (3,779 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Can't wait to see it | ||
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Post# 721888 , Reply# 35 12/18/2013 at 19:30 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Yay! I have a kitchen, again! After three weeks without ranges and a dishwasher, I'm ready to cook up a storm this weekend. The new floor looks great, the walls are no longer hospital gown green, and the GE PDT750 is washing its first load.
I made a spaghetti bake to test the GE's cleaning power. There's a large pasta pot, a very crusty deep sauté pan, and a big, bad, stainless steel roasting pan in which the casserole baked. Also made a loaf of bread, so there's a doughy food processor bowl thrown in for good measure. Here's the deep sauté pan: 
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Post# 721889 , Reply# 36 12/18/2013 at 19:30 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 721890 , Reply# 37 12/18/2013 at 19:32 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 721891 , Reply# 38 12/18/2013 at 19:33 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 721893 , Reply# 39 12/18/2013 at 19:35 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 721894 , Reply# 40 12/18/2013 at 19:36 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Here is the row of option buttons:
Wash Zones allows you to wash only the upper or lower rack if desired. It was an option I used frequently with the LG. 
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Post# 721895 , Reply# 41 12/18/2013 at 19:53 (3,774 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 721897 , Reply# 42 12/18/2013 at 20:06 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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First impressions:
1) The racks are flimsier and not quite as capacious as those in the LG. The placement and spacing of the tines is better on the GE. 2) The quality of the stainless steel on the front of the machine was higher on the LG, and its door felt more solid/substantial. 3) I definitely miss the upper third rack for flatware and utensils. You'll notice in the photo only one of the little stubby ends of the GE's large silverware basket is being used, making more room for the large items in the lower rack. However, as I become more familiar with the machine and learn to maximize the use of rack space, this will probably become less of an issue. 4) The GE is noticeably quieter than the LG, which was pretty quiet itself. I always try to make sure each succeeding dishwasher is quieter than the one it replaced. Mission accomplished on that front! 5) I know it's silly, but I also miss the LG's interior lighting. 6) The true test will be in the cleaning power. I used Cascade Complete Gel, the same detergent used when testing the LG back in 2008. My work day begins at 6:00 a.m. tomorrow, so I'll probably be in bed by the time the load is finished. Will post photos of results as soon as I can. Overall: Appears to be a very nice machine, although lacking some of the panache of the LG. Love the nearly silent operation! This post was last edited 12/18/2013 at 21:26 | ||
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Post# 721900 , Reply# 43 12/18/2013 at 20:20 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 721910 , Reply# 44 12/18/2013 at 21:22 (3,774 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 721927 , Reply# 45 12/19/2013 at 00:03 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I woke up and knew there was no way I'd get back to sleep without seeing the results. It's a keeper, kids! Everything in the load was spotless, including the grungy roasting pan in the top rack. It will be interesting to see how well it cleans pots/pans with a shorter cycle---minus the 30-minute Presoak option, for instance. I'll also run a load of cookware on the Normal cycle to see the difference in performance compared to the Heavy Cycle.
Second load: Top rack-only load of odds/ends. I put the silverware basket in the top rack and chose the Normal cycle with no water heating options. (Temperature options: Normal; Boost Temp; Sanitize Temp) The time: 57 minutes. Using a pac of Cascade Platinum, my daily driver. Here's a photo of the upper rack from the first load, post-wash: 
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Post# 721929 , Reply# 46 12/19/2013 at 00:04 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 721930 , Reply# 47 12/19/2013 at 00:05 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 721933 , Reply# 48 12/19/2013 at 00:39 (3,774 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 721950 , Reply# 50 12/19/2013 at 05:46 (3,774 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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washer111: The GE has a soil sensor and an AutoSense cycle. I'm not sure if it is employed in other cycles. The sensor was active in every cycle except 'Quick' on the LG, and it often shaved 20-35 minutes from the stated cycle time. Cycle times are almost identical to those on the LG. That machine didn't offer a Power Dry option, and using it on the GE adds about an hour to the total time. The GE has a 30-minute Express Wash cycle I want to try, too.
I also want to try out the Bottle Wash option. I have some tall, narrow glasses (like those pictured at the top of this thread) and a couple of flower vases with very narrow openings for that test. I'll coat them with egg and brownie batter, then let them dry. Consumer Reports said that the feature worked very well, but that bottles placed elsewhere in the top rack were cleaned perfectly in 3 of their 4 test loads. The Bottle Wash sprayers are the visible toward the right side of the upper rack and have blue tips. The manual says using the feature adds up to 23 minutes to the cycle time. | ||
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Post# 721962 , Reply# 51 12/19/2013 at 08:15 (3,773 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Wow, it really cleaned the pots and pans very well! I just checked the dishwasher out on the GE site and watched the videos. Even though it was a 4 way arm, only 2 parts of the arm are used and then when it reverses direction the other 2 parts are used. It doesn't appear to have an arm on the top? Is there a constant rinse?
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| Post# 721967 , Reply# 52 12/19/2013 at 08:42 (3,773 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.) | ||
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I dont think my Bosch could accomplish this I think the results are quite impressive and I am really anxious to hear how it does on the shorter cycles. Thanks for the updates. | ||
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Post# 721968 , Reply# 53 12/19/2013 at 08:50 (3,773 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Gary-- There is an arm at the top of the tub spraying downward providing a constant rinse. I'll try to take some better photos of the interior and post them tonight.
Scott-- I'm impressed with its cleaning ability on the longest cycle. It will be fun to try out all the different cycles for comparison. I was especially impressed that the roasting pan was completely cleaned in the top rack. | ||
| Post# 721977 , Reply# 54 12/19/2013 at 09:14 (3,773 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.) | ||
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I agree I was equally impressed. Longest cycle on the bosch is 2:45 and it never goes that long, last time it cut the cycle by almost an hour and I was once again left with dirty pans and casserole dishes. GRRRR. I still miss my GE GSD2800 and its been 15 years.... | ||
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Post# 722049 , Reply# 56 12/19/2013 at 16:08 (3,773 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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The Heavy cycle on my Bosch takes 2:15, add five minutes each for Bottom Basket Intensive and Sanitize and ten minutes for Extra Dry.
On the one hand, I'm surprised you said the LG felt more sturdy when LG couldn't make a drain hose that wouldn crack - on the other hand, LG seems to focus a lot on what you can see and feel: sturdy racks, heavy doors etc. while skimping on quality where the consumer can't tell (like drain hoses or electronics). Looking forward to more pictures of the inside and the filter (which was how dirty after that load?). Video: bcove.me/14sywvc4... | ||
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Post# 722075 , Reply# 57 12/19/2013 at 19:28 (3,773 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Funny you should mention the filters. My main concern with the GE is that I'm going to forget to check them every once in awhile. The screen/filter on the floor of the tub was clean, so I pulled out the ultra-fine filter and it's clean, too.
I'll have to put a reminder on the calendar to check the filters every couple of weeks. This is the first dishwasher I've had with a manual-clean filtering system. Third load: Used the Normal cycle with Temp Boost (not Sanitize) option. Cycle time: 1:51. The time listed by Consumer Reports is 2:20. They test a machine's normal cycle with Temp Boost and Heated Dry options. I don't use the Power Dry option, so the cycle time is substantially shorter. Man, this dishwasher is quiet! On the LG: It really was an excellent dishwasher in so many ways. There was great attention to tactile and visual details, much like Apple products. Example: The GE makes a cheap scraping sound when the top rack is moved in and out. The LG's rack glided in and out so smoothly; almost silently. It felt very sturdy. 
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| Post# 722083 , Reply# 58 12/19/2013 at 20:29 (3,773 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.) | ||
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three loads How were the results? | ||
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Post# 722089 , Reply# 59 12/19/2013 at 21:10 (3,773 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Excellent results with all three loads.
Load 1: Chronicled above Load 2: Half-load (upper rack). Made up of a bread pan, a few bowls and plates, a small saucepan and some silverware. Load 3: Had a friend over for dinner. I made oven-baked ribs, cheesy potatoes (both in 9" x 13" Pyrex baking dishes), a salad, and apple crisp (in a 1/3-size stainless steel chafer insert). Used the Normal cycle with Temp Boost option and a Cascade Platinum pac. Cycle length was 1:51. If the machine keeps delivering stellar results at hushed sound levels, I will definitely recommend it to others. | ||
| Post# 722152 , Reply# 61 12/20/2013 at 07:05 (3,773 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 722168 , Reply# 62 12/20/2013 at 10:08 (3,772 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Malcolm-- Consumer Reports gave it an overall score of 79, placing it just after a slew of Kenmore, Bosch, and a couple of KitchenAid models. I'd been looking at the TOL Bosch in the 800Plus series, which was $2,000, and also had an overall score of 79. At half the price, I decided to give the GE a shot. So far, so good! It received a Very Good rating for noise, although I'm thinking it had to be very close to Excellent; it's nearly silent---which is awesome in my book.
Hope your kitchen remodel is going well. I was without one for three weeks and it drove me crazy. I'm ready to do a lot of cooking this weekend in preparation for the holidays. | ||
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Post# 722181 , Reply# 63 12/20/2013 at 11:02 (3,772 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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It's rated at only 42 dB, which is very quiet.
You know what to do next, of course. CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
| Post# 722204 , Reply# 64 12/20/2013 at 13:20 (3,772 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 722209 , Reply# 65 12/20/2013 at 14:23 (3,772 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 722241 , Reply# 66 12/20/2013 at 19:45 (3,772 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Glad to hear it's working
.........You have TWO ovens? LOL
You must do a lot of cooking. Having to check the dishwasher filter would take some getting used to I imagine. I think I could live with LONG wash cycles like that as LONG as it's quiet.....But with my current dishwasher.....not so much. It's quite but not quiet enough. | ||
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Post# 722266 , Reply# 67 12/21/2013 at 00:02 (3,772 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Mark-- One of the reasons I bought the house was due to the "dual fuel" hookups in the kitchen (gas and electric). I'd always wanted to have one of each.
And yes, I do a lot of cooking! My social life consists of having people over for dinner and Sunday brunch. I also bring food for 50 to the break room at work every Monday morning--usually a couple of coffee cakes, scones, cinnamon rolls, muffins, or and breads. Suffice to say the dishwasher is the hardest working appliance in my house. I washed a very full half-load (upper rack) of dishes last night using the Express Wash (30 minutes) and everything emerged clean. There's also a Light Wash that clocks in at 49 minutes. Will make good use of those short cycles to make quick work of food prep loads--mixing bowls, utensils, cake pans, etc. | ||
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Post# 722391 , Reply# 69 12/21/2013 at 16:29 (3,771 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 722395 , Reply# 70 12/21/2013 at 16:37 (3,771 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I have seen one cutlery tray model on AjMadison. Only 39dB. Link with pictures below:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
| Post# 722508 , Reply# 71 12/22/2013 at 07:05 (3,771 days old) by Mayguy (Minnesota) | ||
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Good to hear this dishwasher is working out for you! I will share this with my customer on how well this does. | ||
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Post# 722524 , Reply# 72 12/22/2013 at 09:36 (3,770 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Another test: I made a batch of cinnamon rolls and some egg salad this morning. This seemed a good test for the 30-minute Express cycle. I loaded everything in the top rack (save for utensils, which went in the lower rack), added a Cascade Platinum pac, chose the upper rack only option and pressed start.
Whether or not this is truly a BobLoad® cannot be determined until The Great Man himself bestows the designation. Nothing in the load had baked-on residue. The small saucepan was the only thing that saw heat, as it was used to hard-boil eggs.
Thirty minutes later, the machine played its comforting little end-of-cycle motif and the items were ready for inspection.
Here's a photo of the load post-wash: 
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Post# 722525 , Reply# 73 12/22/2013 at 09:42 (3,770 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Everything was spotless save for two items. The dough hook was not completely cleaned, and there was a mini chocolate chip-sized spot of dough on the outside of the saucepan where the dough hook touched it. (The photo of saucepan was blurry, so I didn't include it.) The utensils in the bottom rack were spotless. Apparently the lower rack received sufficient spray-time to take care of business.
All-in-all, I was very pleased. Using the Express cycle will definitely come in handy for dispatching multiple loads of food prep items during long sessions in the kitchen.
And it all happened in virtual silence. God bless us, everyone! 
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Post# 722526 , Reply# 74 12/22/2013 at 09:45 (3,770 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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The manual recommends using Cascade Platinum pacs (which, conveniently, happen to be my daily driver), but I didn't notice this until a few minutes ago. Do you suppose GE has a promotional tie-in with P&G, LOL? 
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Post# 722528 , Reply# 75 12/22/2013 at 10:33 (3,770 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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HalfLoad BobLoad
Given the evolution of technology for modern dishwashers, looks like I need to seriously consider a new Bobload category and designation. That being for machines which have single-rack option washing--i.e. here either upper or lower rack only (and models with upper rack only). Yes, I'll bestow the very first of this new category to Eugene. HalfLoad BobLoad designation. Although I would have loved to see what was in the lower rack for this load.
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| Post# 722872 , Reply# 76 12/24/2013 at 08:51 (3,768 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 722877 , Reply# 77 12/24/2013 at 09:39 (3,768 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Detergent recomendation Of course Ge has an agreement with them. No reason for a company to endorse another Companies products unless they do. For me other detergents like Quantum tabs work just as well as Cascade, have less or no left over scent and cost less. Nothing wrong with Cascade though - it works. | ||
| Post# 722888 , Reply# 78 12/24/2013 at 10:45 (3,768 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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NIce This looks like a very nice Dishwasher. Have a good time ! | ||
| Post# 723404 , Reply# 79 12/27/2013 at 14:34 (3,765 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.) | ||
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Not that we are past the holiday And many more loads of dishes, is your opinion on the dishwashers washing capabilities still favorable? Thanks for an update Scott | ||
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Post# 723413 , Reply# 80 12/27/2013 at 15:29 (3,765 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I've had it only a week, but it has definitely put in time-and-a-half with overtime! So far, so good. The Normal cycle takes care of most loads. The household water heater is set at 140 degrees, so I shave time off moderately-soiled loads by foregoing water temp boost. Pyrex/Corning baking dishes don't appear to need the muscle of the Heavy cycle, either. The Normal cycle clocks in at 1:15 if you don't choose the Boost Temp. (1:51 with Boost Temp; 2:35 with Sanitize Temp). Add nearly an hour to all those times if you choose Power Dry---which I never do.
The Heavy cycle takes care of heavily-soiled/baked on soils in loads of stainless steel pots and pans.
The 30-minute Express cycle is great for loads of bowls, utensils, and pans used for food prep. It's nice to get those loads out of the way quickly, without precarious, Dr. Seuss-like stacks piling up on the countertop. Haven't used the 49-minute Light cycle, yet.
I still miss the third (upper) rack for silverware & utensils, but am getting used to a traditional flatware basket.
I'm using the Bottle Wash feature for the first time at this very moment. We'll see how it takes care of dried-on pancake batter in narrow-necked bud vases. It's a feature that won't get much use, but I had to try it at least once.
The machine is so quiet; even the fill is nearly silent. I spend many hours in the kitchen on weekends, and listening to a dishwasher drone on and on all day gets tiresome. No problems with that, anymore.
Operational quirks:
It has an odd protocol for draining. Don't know if it's related to a soil-sensor---although I have yet to use the AutoSense cycle---or if there's another reason, but it drains for 2 seconds, pauses for 1 second, drains for 2 seconds, pauses for 1 second, then drains for 5 seconds and pauses for about 12 seconds. Then it drains for 2 seconds, pauses for one, finishes draining, and begins to refill. I haven't noticed if it does this on all the drains or just the first one.
Prewash Option-- I can see why the manual recommends using detergent pacs. This is what occurs after the first fill when you add the Prewash option to a cycle: It alternates spraying water between the lower and upper racks every 5 seconds for a couple of minutes, then drains and refills. The first dose of gel or powder would be wasted. Haven't paid attention to what happens after that, but the Prewash adds about 30 minutes to a cycle. There is a more traditional (but brief) first wash if you don't choose the Prewash option.
One downside of its hushed operation is that you really need to sit down in front of it and pay attention to what's happening if you're curious about how it operates. I have not done that, yet. I notice the first few minutes of the cycle, and then don't think about it again until the Clean light comes on.
Manual-Clean Filters--- The ultra-fine filter (pictured in a post above) gets soiled more readily when using the Express cycle several times, consecutively; and I have confessed to being lax in the dish-scraping department. I suppose the machine doesn't run long enough to allow the filter to clean itself off, to a degree. It's so easy to remove and give a quick rinse under the faucet that it doesn't bother me at all.
The 2-watt fan continues to run for at least an hour after the Clean light signals the end of cycle. The fan shuts off and doesn't turn back on once you open the door. Haven't used the Power Dry option, so don't know if it behaves similarly in that instance.
I give the machine two thumbs up at this point, but it's still very early in the game.
:-)
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Post# 723432 , Reply# 81 12/27/2013 at 16:34 (3,765 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Draining protocol | ||
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Post# 723471 , Reply# 82 12/27/2013 at 22:03 (3,765 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Same here. My Bosch will drain, spray, drain, spray and drain after the main wash. I suppose it's to create turbulence in the water to wash the filter.
You say that prewash sprays water "for a couple of minutes" and then drains but adds 30 minutes to the cycle. What does it do in the remaining 25 or so minutes? Does it then extend the regular prewash that would have taken place anyway? | ||
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Post# 723480 , Reply# 83 12/28/2013 at 00:36 (3,765 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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My bad: It's a Presoak Option, not Prewash. Too late to edit and correct the term in the post above this one.
Bob: You can add gel or powdered detergent for the prewash/first wash. You simply pour it onto the indentation on the closed detergent lid. See photo up the thread. When using a gel, I pour the prewash dose directly into the tub so it can go to work a little quicker. If you choose the Presoak option, it basically gets wasted, as explained above. If you don't add the Presoak option, the prewash/first wash is longer and the detergent is better utilized. At any rate, the cycles appear custom-made for using a pac, which gets released during the main wash. The manual recommends using a pac---specifically Cascade Platinum. Alexander: I haven't paid attention to find out why the Presoak option adds 30 minutes to a cycle. Will plant myself in front of the machine for a whole cycle (when I can find the time) and document the sequence of events. | ||
| Post# 734091 , Reply# 85 2/9/2014 at 19:35 (3,721 days old) by bwoods () | ||
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GE version of Reversa-Jet Well, it only took General Electric 49 years to catch up with the reversing spray arm that Tappan used in its 1965 Reversa-Jet. :) Below is a link GE's short video. CLICK HERE TO GO TO bwoods's LINK | ||
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Post# 735404 , Reply# 86 2/15/2014 at 10:31 (3,715 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Power, style, and innovation? This GE Profile has it all.
Review: dishwashers.reviewed.com/content/... | ||
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Post# 735692 , Reply# 87 2/16/2014 at 18:12 (3,714 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 736092 , Reply# 88 2/18/2014 at 13:53 (3,712 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Early Adopter
Well, now every line has a cutlery rack: Monogram, Café and... Profile.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 736250 , Reply# 89 2/19/2014 at 05:40 (3,712 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 809122 , Reply# 90 2/13/2015 at 17:37 (3,352 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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 Last fall we were forced to get a new dw after a slow leak did our WP in. We still have bisque appliances, so my wife insisted on a machine that matched. So far, we've been fairly happy it, but I've noticed that sometimes the detergent cup doesn't completely empty. I've been experimenting with how much silverware, and what size pots, pans, and dinnerware is placed in front of and underneath the detergent cup. I've also noticed that the Calrod heating element doesn't get nearly as hot for the drying portion of the wash cycle as on previous machines we've had (GE, WP). We leave it on normal wash and heated dry nearly all the time. CLICK HERE TO GO TO polkanut's LINK | ||
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Post# 809196 , Reply# 91 2/13/2015 at 23:47 (3,352 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Tim-- You have a different model than me, but are you using a detergent pac? The detergent dispensers on GE's are custom-made for them. I've never had a pac (Cascade; Nellie's; Member's Mark Ultimate Clean) fail to dissolve completely.
Ben (washman) has noted several times that he can only use Cascade pacs in his GE or some gets left behind in the dispenser. I'd forgotten all about this thread! A year later I'm still very happy with the GE. Wish the racks & tines were as brawny as those in the LG; wish it had the larger interior dimensions of the LG, as well. Otherwise, it cleans like a champ and is nearly silent, so no complaints. | ||
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Post# 809198 , Reply# 92 2/14/2015 at 00:55 (3,352 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Post# 809223 , Reply# 93 2/14/2015 at 06:26 (3,352 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Frigilux, No detergent pacs here. We usually use a 50/50 mixture of powdered Cascade/Hytron along with 1 tsp STPP in the cup. We also have the rinse aid dispenser set at 2. Excellent cleaning, and hardly ever, if ever, any food bits left behind. CLICK HERE TO GO TO polkanut's LINK | ||
| Post# 846922 , Reply# 95 10/21/2015 at 10:06 (3,102 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Long Term Review
Hi Frigi,
By now you've gotten to know your GE PDW pretty well. How are you liking it in the long term? How has it been holding up? Is it still cleaning well? When I get my new place, I want to get a PDW720 so I'm interested in the performance of this architecture. Plus my parents have a 500 series with the dual sliverware racks. They complain about it not cleaing "like the old one." Of course (eye roll) But I hear other good reviews so IDK. Maybe they're not loading it well? Cheers, | ||
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Post# 846939 , Reply# 96 10/21/2015 at 12:42 (3,102 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Mine cleans even the worst pots/pans very well, is super-quiet, and very energy-efficient. My previous dishwasher was a 2008 top-of-the-line LG which had a noticeably larger interior, beefier racks, and an overall feeling of high quality. I find the racks on the GE to be kind of flimsy by comparison, but they are holding up well, so no complaints there.
I use Cascade Platinum or Member's Mark Ultimate Clean (Sam's Club) pacs, and have experienced only one or two instances of a pac not dissolving completely. The PDT750 is highly rated by CR and Reviewed.com. John (combo 52) has a GE with the same wash system (the quad arms) and finds it lacking in both cleaning ability and build quality. I'd have no problem recommending the PDT750, but have to admit I may look toward KitchenAid for my next dishwasher. LG changed their wash system a few years ago and their cleaning scores at CR have dropped significantly; nor has LG been able to solve the problem of poor reliability. Mine worked very, very hard for 5 years (easily 2-3 times the normal "seven loads per week"). Unfortunately, water from a cracked drain hose very slowly eroded the floor and subflooring under and around the machine. I no longer trusted it, so it was repaired and sent out the door to a new home where it is still in use. This post was last edited 10/21/2015 at 16:42 | ||
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Post# 846951 , Reply# 97 10/21/2015 at 15:18 (3,102 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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cheese enchilada pan test I would like to see how this dishwasher will deal with a baking pan crusted with cheese enchiladas using heavy cycle, steam prewash, high temp wash and cascade dishwasher detergent with rinse aid as well as heated dry. What will the results be? | ||
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Post# 846957 , Reply# 98 10/21/2015 at 16:49 (3,102 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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1. The PDT750 has no steam function. It cleans as well as my LG did without it.
2. There is no heated dry. The Power Dry (or whatever it's called) differs only in that an hour is added to the cycle time. If you haven't selected that, the CLEAN light comes on immediately after the final rinse is drained. A small, 3-watt fan operates for about an hour or until you open the door. I usually just open the door and let everything flash dry. If you select Power Dry, an hour is added to the cycle time and the CLEAN light doesn't come on until the fan shuts off. That's the only difference. The GE is not a steller drier, especially with plastics. 3. I believe the cheese enchilada pan would come emerge clean given soft water and a Cascade Platinum pac. Can't speak for other circumstances/detergent choices. | ||
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Post# 846997 , Reply# 99 10/21/2015 at 21:41 (3,102 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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normal cycle with temp boost Have you tried the normal cycle with temp boost? I use it on my dad's Whirlpool all the time. | ||
| Post# 847053 , Reply# 100 10/22/2015 at 09:41 (3,101 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Dry Performance
I can 2nd the mediocre dry performance, especially from the experience my parents' have with their 500 series.
Dishes and silverware are usually dry, but plastics are not. The tub and door and silverware baskets are still dripping wet after a 1hr dry. They're kind of annoyed by it. Seems like GE, to keep these units "efficient" really knocked down dry performance. I DO hear that if you whine about it enough under warranty, GE will reprogram or replance your control board with a "super dry" software update which seems to work better. It seems like a lot of dishwashers have better drying performance. However, I've never ever experiened a dishwasher that dried plastic items well. | ||
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Go and get one of these GoPro cameras and pop it in there like so: