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Thread Number: 49867
New 10Kg Fisher & Paykel 'Washsmart' top load washer |
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Post# 720293 12/10/2013 at 05:24 (3,788 days old) by mayfan69  (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Hi everyone,
I bought this 10kg F&P 'Washsmart' washer at a factory outlet sale for AU$450 off the RRP so I couldn't resist. Finally have been able to upload a video after having some computer issues. The F&P is in place of the Speed Queen which is now doing stellar service at my mum's place. Some observations: it's definitely nowhere near as well built as the SQ and more than likely won't last as long, but after a recent interstate trip, I now have the necessary spare parts (which I got for free) to keep this running when it does eventually break down. Would I pay full RRP for it? No, so I can justify the saving I made. It actually washes very well and the 1100RPM spin speed is great. I also like the fact the 'Eco' rinse is still an option. Cheers Leon 
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Post# 720294 , Reply# 1 12/10/2013 at 05:25 (3,788 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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More pics.... | ||
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Post# 720295 , Reply# 2 12/10/2013 at 05:27 (3,788 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Control panel | ||
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Post# 720296 , Reply# 3 12/10/2013 at 05:28 (3,788 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Money shot | ||
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Post# 720298 , Reply# 4 12/10/2013 at 05:30 (3,788 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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| Post# 720307 , Reply# 5 12/10/2013 at 06:05 (3,788 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 720308 , Reply# 6 12/10/2013 at 06:07 (3,788 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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F & P | ||
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Post# 720316 , Reply# 8 12/10/2013 at 07:39 (3,788 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 720341 , Reply# 9 12/10/2013 at 10:28 (3,788 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 On the control panel the wash temp is indicating cold and warm - does that mean lukewarm?Yes. F&P washers have five temp choices (except a few lower-end models that have three). All temps are ATC, with most models having a programming option to change ATC cold to tap cold. Cold Warm/Cold (Cold + Warm lights) Warm Warm/Hot (Warm + Hot lights) Hot | ||
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Post# 720382 , Reply# 10 12/10/2013 at 14:28 (3,788 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I wish there'd be some sort of stain removal option that does warm recirculation and then a hot fill. That would allow for max. enzyme activity before they get cooked.
The faster-speed sequence before the agitated wash is interesting. What's it for? Also, don't you get tons of condensation inside the washer's cabinet if you have the lid closed on a hot wash? A rusting cabinet was a problem with the first generation WP Cabrios... | ||
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Post# 720385 , Reply# 11 12/10/2013 at 14:31 (3,788 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Rusty cabinet | ||
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Post# 720392 , Reply# 12 12/10/2013 at 15:27 (3,788 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 720407 , Reply# 13 12/10/2013 at 16:34 (3,788 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Does this Model | ||
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Post# 720409 , Reply# 14 12/10/2013 at 16:40 (3,788 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Adjuster..... | ||
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Post# 720652 , Reply# 15 12/11/2013 at 16:49 (3,787 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 720681 , Reply# 16 12/11/2013 at 19:58 (3,787 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
nice washer but for me i fine it a waste of energy even for a topload washer to have a wash time of 50 minutes and me i would of wash these towels mix with other clothes not just start a load for just towels and of course i would have the wash temp set on cold water wash because cold water washing is what is mostly recomended for most fabrics and would of put the detergent while the washer was filling and not in the agitator you might call me old fashion but i much prefer to use a washer with the old style knob thats pull to start push to stop that i would set to the wash time i need but this is just my opinion as everyone have diffrent wash style
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Post# 720705 , Reply# 17 12/11/2013 at 23:47 (3,787 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Response | ||
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Post# 720713 , Reply# 20 12/12/2013 at 00:11 (3,787 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Thanks | ||
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Post# 720818 , Reply# 22 12/12/2013 at 13:41 (3,786 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Softener | ||
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Post# 720822 , Reply# 23 12/12/2013 at 13:56 (3,786 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Instructions: Logixx: this is what the instructions say:
As I do not use fabric softener, I'm not going to test it and trust the machine to do what its supposed to!! | ||
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Post# 720855 , Reply# 24 12/12/2013 at 16:35 (3,786 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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In my opinion the machine is not functioning correctly for a non-Eco rinse. What I see is the Eco rinse function running at the start of the rinse phase ... alternating sprays at slow rotation (25 RPM) with faster spins for extraction ... leading into an agitated deep rinse. Softener would definitely run out and be wasted at the first pause in spinning. My IWL12 defaults to a deep/agitated rinse, has Eco Rinse as an option. On a non-Eco rinse it drains, revs up to 300 RPM, does a couple sprays, accelerates to 670 RPM for extraction, slows to 300 RPM and does a couple/few more sprays, 670 RPM again, then stops for the deep rinse fill. It never drops below 300 RPM for the spin sprays so as to retain the softener from draining into the tub until spin does stop completely at the rinse fill. It does pause spinning and rotate at 25 RPM for saturation sprays IF Eco Rinse is selected. I've run into a few people who had this problem with GWL11 models, and maybe a GWL15. I advised them to contact service and have the control board replaced. One of the contacts reported back that there apparently was a programming flaw in his board. I've also heard that some agitator-model Whirlpool Cabrio units had this flaw (greetings, Jeff/Washaholic!). I don't know ... maybe F&P purposely changed the programming but that seems unlikely because there's no way to avoid wasting softener in the rinse sequence I see in your video. | ||
| Post# 720923 , Reply# 25 12/12/2013 at 20:56 (3,786 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
OH MY GOD.. | ||
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Post# 720929 , Reply# 26 12/12/2013 at 21:01 (3,786 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Tide.... | ||
| Post# 720931 , Reply# 27 12/12/2013 at 21:08 (3,786 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
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Leon Here, it's considered a vintage, good thing. It's an older, specially formulated detergent that quickly dissolves no matter how cold the water is, no matter how little agitation there is. They made it with a modified form of Sodium Sulfate, and a activator to dissolve all of the filler.
I also personally believe, it was formulated with better surfactants, for better stain removal performance. Plus, the older powders contained a ingredient called "cellulose" that helped prevent cotton fabric pilling, that's no longer found in most of the newer formulations.
Consider the stuff, good stuff ;) The formula you have was completely discontinued in Late 2010. | ||
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Post# 720937 , Reply# 28 12/12/2013 at 21:30 (3,786 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Vintage | ||
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Post# 720960 , Reply# 29 12/13/2013 at 00:11 (3,786 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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It is my understanding that both the Clean and Wash Smart machines give true hotwashes when the allergy cycle is selected. | ||
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Post# 720964 , Reply# 30 12/13/2013 at 01:48 (3,786 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Hot Wash..... | ||
| Post# 721110 , Reply# 31 12/14/2013 at 02:45 (3,785 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia) | ||
Beautiful unit
Hi Leon,
A beautiful machine you have there, well chosen, actually if and when the LG Turbodrum departs me and goes to washer heaven I may even go for that machine myself in the 7kg size as I have noticed in various retail outlets you can get the 7 kg for about $100 only more than the 5.5 Quicksmart. I too like the idea of putting the detergent inside the agitator post because you would have the agiator fins at the bottom helping to dissolve the powder. Question, if you use liquid detergent does it go in the post as well?. You have purchased well mate, hope you enjoy it for many years to come. Cheers. Steve. | ||
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Post# 723438 , Reply# 32 12/27/2013 at 17:05 (3,771 days old) by spinspeed (Far North New South Wales Australia (originally London UK)) |
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Hey Leon, very nice machine. Aside the control panel looks virtually the same as the F&P intuitive which was the first washer I brought when I arrived in Australia. Great machine and still going very strong. Yours has a faster spin and bigger capacity I believe. The recirculation and the little spin during the fill after the recirculation of hot water is really neat and different to my machine. Also the recirculation when full before the agitation is different.
Interesting that F&P use the same size agitator in their small, med and large washers. I was surprised when I realized the agitator in my small smartdrive was the same as in the big size intuitive. I am very happy using cold water after the warm or hot recirculation to suspend the load for agitating but I struggle with 100% cold water washing. Even with Cold Power detergent it doesn't feel right. Also I can buy Tide Downey liquid at Coles supermarket. It is a little pricy at $20 a pop. Coles had it on special the other week at $15. I have also got hold of Hurricane laundry liquid from USA in Chemist warehouse which was pretty cheap. Thanks for the video leon Simon | ||
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Post# 723448 , Reply# 33 12/27/2013 at 19:32 (3,771 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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"Tide Downey" Don't buy Tide from Coles - they are rip-off merchants anyway. It's much cheaper at Costco and you'll help competition by smashing the Woolies/Coles duopoly. "DOWN WITH CONSUMER EXPLOITATION THROUGH PRICE GOUGING - VIVA LA COMPETITION, VIVA LA AFFORDABLE TIDE!" | ||
| Post# 723474 , Reply# 34 12/27/2013 at 22:32 (3,771 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Tide at Coles | ||
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Post# 723543 , Reply# 35 12/28/2013 at 15:34 (3,770 days old) by spinspeed (Far North New South Wales Australia (originally London UK)) |
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Post# 723571 , Reply# 36 12/28/2013 at 18:54 (3,770 days old) by spinspeed (Far North New South Wales Australia (originally London UK)) |
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Tide Downey in Au.
Well Rod, you are correct, Tide Downy down to a little over $10 brings it in to line with Aussie products. Sorry Rapunzal, I admire your sentiment re the Coles / Woolies monopoly here in Australia but I had to buy a couple. I suspect Coles will stop selling it soon. I do wish there was more completion here in Au. Supermarkets and food in general is very expensive here, even compared to the UK, which by the way has a myriad of different major supermarkets.
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Post# 723584 , Reply# 37 12/28/2013 at 20:24 (3,770 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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Well, when Coles stops selling it you know where else you can get it. | ||
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Post# 723593 , Reply# 38 12/28/2013 at 21:18 (3,770 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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@ mayfan69 You've found a fine washer. May you enjoy it in good health and clean clothes.
@ Pierreandreply4. Please stop turning EVERY thread you post in into a sounding board for your FALSE and COMPLETELY UNTRUE cold water washing rhetoric. Many of us have tried to reason with you over time but you are too BULLHEADED to listen. Your intelligent input as a member is always welcome. However, your arrogant, bullheaded claims that we are all wrong on cold water washing, (Which are NOT TRUE In threads that have nothing to do with that subject) are NOT. WK78 | ||
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Post# 723599 , Reply# 39 12/28/2013 at 22:00 (3,770 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Thanks
@ Steve,Simon and Nick
Thanks for your comments, appreciated. Simon, you can also buy Tide online from www.usafoods.com.au... as well. Nick, I personally refrained from responding to Pierre's comments, as ive been advised there's no reasoning with him. But, obviously you and many others would agree with your comments. Am I the only one that thinks washing towels (known lint givers) with other fabric types is idiotic??? Again, thanks for your comments. Cheers Leon. | ||
| Post# 723602 , Reply# 40 12/28/2013 at 22:44 (3,770 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Post# 723619 , Reply# 41 12/29/2013 at 03:09 (3,770 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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"Has anyone tried the Ivory Snow?" Yes and it's nice. Love the scent and it cleans well. This post was last edited 12/29/2013 at 08:14 | ||
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Post# 723620 , Reply# 42 12/29/2013 at 03:10 (3,770 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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As for HE Tide The answer, again, is Costco. | ||
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Post# 723622 , Reply# 43 12/29/2013 at 03:33 (3,770 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Costco | ||
| Post# 723625 , Reply# 44 12/29/2013 at 04:10 (3,770 days old) by washer111 () | ||
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Towels and Other Clothes Agree completely with you Mayfan! Never wash towels with lint attractors, under ANY circumstances! | ||
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Post# 723629 , Reply# 45 12/29/2013 at 04:48 (3,770 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Towels | ||
| Post# 723638 , Reply# 46 12/29/2013 at 07:43 (3,769 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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| Post# 724903 , Reply# 47 1/3/2014 at 22:57 (3,764 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia) | ||
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Amen to towels only
Put me down as a towels on their own wash,no way with anything else, or else you will end up with spicks and specks galore on your clothes.
I noticed today also that the Tide with Downy was half price at Coles, didn't buy any though went for Fab with Allure Spice. Rapunzel agree with you on the Coles/Woolies duopoly, but unfortunately where we live they are the only 2 options, although with Aldi opening in the last few months we have been getting a few things from them. We really do need 1 or 2 US or UK stores to open up down here. Hi Leon, was just in Brisbane last week for a little rest and recreation, nice clean city you have there, especially liked Roma street gardens, Southbank area and watched NYE'S eve fireworks from outside the casino. Also as someone who uses public transport immensely, really like the Gocard system. hope our Opal card gets up and running soon. Sorry for hijacking your thread. All the best for 2014. Steve. | ||
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