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Post# 726307 , Reply# 3   1/8/2014 at 22:51 (3,759 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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The arrangement I'm most used to is a gas hob and an electric wall oven, although we've had an all-gas 36" wide range for almost four years and it's been my favorite thus far. The moist heat of the oven bakes beautifully. I could live with an electric oven again if I had to, but the hob/cooktop definitely has to be gas. Things just don't cook up as well for me on electric surfaces.
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Post# 726327 , Reply# 6   1/9/2014 at 00:50 (3,759 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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I can use either-fine for me.Have used both. |
Post# 726329 , Reply# 7   1/9/2014 at 01:12 (3,759 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 726357 , Reply# 11   1/9/2014 at 05:53 (3,758 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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I - like both James Beard and Julia Child - prefer electric when it comes to home equipment. Professional gas ranges are a whole 'nother beast, and I'm not talking about those - Julia had a Garland 182 installed in her home kitchen decades before it was fashionable, but happily used electric on TV and in demos. Beard was such a fan of electric he had Corning smooth-top units in his teaching kitchen.
Anyway, electric is, I feel, best for home cooks. Higher heat output, more even baking and easier cleaning are three big reasons. Gas ranges have improved dramatically in the last twenty years, particularly on the cleanability front, but most electrics can still out-bake and out-boil most gas ranges. I also hate the fumes from gas ranges. Your local gas company will tell you there are no fumes. That is a big steaming pile of something usually found under the south end of a north-bound bull. So, electric for me. |
Post# 726362 , Reply# 12   1/9/2014 at 07:12 (3,758 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 726390 , Reply# 13   1/9/2014 at 08:59 (3,758 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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hate my Caloirc solid burner unit but I rent so................gotta deal with it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO washman's LINK |
Post# 726395 , Reply# 14   1/9/2014 at 09:19 (3,758 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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both have their differing merits. Hoping to have an electric 40" double oven range AND a gas 2 burner cooktop in the small retirement home we're planning. Do prefer electric oven for baking due to the more precise temp control. Right now we're all electric here in NY, and elec wall oven Chambers and gas Chambers cooktop in VT.
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Post# 726397 , Reply# 16   1/9/2014 at 09:24 (3,758 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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I LOVE GAS!
Hard to believe that if I grew up in a mostly-electric-range-world! Unfortunately I hardly get to use the broiler in my range; the in-laws & even my own wife are starting to want us to GO VEGAN!!!! (Now what do you use a broiler for if you can't broil MEAT, and wanna use it for more than just grilled cheese!) It's otherwise my late-mom's ceramic-top electric--wish I could just move out the fridge & put a gas range next to it; can't see my dad lighting burners! (But, then, how would we store our cold & frozen stuff?) -- Dave |
Post# 726400 , Reply# 17   1/9/2014 at 09:31 (3,758 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)   |   | |
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I can use either one, but the electric is faster. 1935 gas Detroit Jewel 1990 electric Whirlpool |
Post# 726407 , Reply# 18   1/9/2014 at 10:30 (3,758 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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I have no trouble with either one. Of course Gas in the Restaurant and at home I have electric.
I think electric is just a matter of getting used to it. When I was a child we had a Tappan Gas Range. Then my Mom bought a Westinghouse exactly like the one Kevin313 has. I had a Electric Kenmore range which was fine until I found my Fridgidaire. My Grandmother had a Fridgidaire and taught me how to cook on the radiant tubes. Once you get used to the heat and controlling them, I really like them. Although I've never had a problem with Corox or Calrod either. |
Post# 726444 , Reply# 21   1/9/2014 at 14:26 (3,758 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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The normal cook, but I sure have been able to turn out better baked goods on a gas range, the browning is more delicate and even and cakes as a rule rise at least 1/4 to 1/2 inch more. |
Post# 726458 , Reply# 22   1/9/2014 at 15:19 (3,758 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Gas, gas....GAS!!! |
Post# 726483 , Reply# 23   1/9/2014 at 17:03 (3,758 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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How is the OKeefe doing???? |
Post# 726491 , Reply# 24   1/9/2014 at 17:22 (3,758 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Growing up in Southern California everything - stove, water heater, furnace, dryer etc, is gas because it was and still is, less costly to operate here. I've had the opportunity to cook on electric a couple times. There is of course a learning curve when it comes to cooking on electric. I would imagine it's just a matter of getting used to it, but I MUCH prefer gas. Except when it comes to an oven, then I'd rather have electric. Mostly because (new) gas ovens are getting harder and harder to find AND they are only 24" wide when you do find them. Too small for me. I prefer a 27" or 30" oven, ideally convection. Kevin |
Post# 726493 , Reply# 26   1/9/2014 at 17:48 (3,758 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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On the subject of broiling, my gas oven has an infrared broiler in the top of the oven cavity, as opposed to the the type of oven with a broiler in a drawer beneath the oven cavity. My oven does not have a drawer under it and I have no personal experience with that design. Mine is a "commerical style" residential unit. That said, I've only ever used the broiler once, and it seemed to work just fine. But out of curiosity, what do most of you use the broiler for? I'm just not accustomed to broiling anything. Am I missing out? Should I be taking advantage of the broiler more frequently?
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Post# 726498 , Reply# 27   1/9/2014 at 18:05 (3,758 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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A couple of people have noted the "instant off" aspect of gas burners here in this thread. While I feel that's true as far as it goes, there's another side to it, I think:
When you turn a gas burner off, the flame disappears, but the grate stays hot. As in good and hot, but it doesn't radiate the heat; just the grate itself is hot. You also don't have the little bit of a visual you have with a hot electric burner, which continues to glow red for just a minute. Even after an electric burner darkens, it continues to radiate some stored heat which also alerts you to the fact it's still hot. It is, therefore, possible to forget a gas burner's grate can still be quite hot, and accidentally touch it, because a hot grate looks exactly like a cool one, and doesn't give off much heat as a warning, either. Ask Mr. Clean-As-You-Go here if you doubt me. :) |
Post# 726514 , Reply# 28   1/9/2014 at 18:47 (3,758 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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The O'Keefe is doing great!!! |
Post# 726520 , Reply# 29   1/9/2014 at 19:06 (3,758 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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First I want to want to say these comments are not directed to Allen (Whirlcool) only to those who may say something like this below. So let's look at this for a minute.
Lots of members have stated that gas is dirty, it sucks the oxygen out of the air and makes it hard to breathe, it poisons your house, etc.
1. gas is dirty Natural gas anyway, is very clean when it burns, unless there is something wrong with the gas / air mixing chamber, causing it to burn way to rich. Yes anything that burns uses/requires oxygen to burn, and YOU use oxygen when you BREATH... are YOU living in a hermetically sealed house? Come on, it's all in your mind! Oh? And how does it do that? Is your house a living breathing creature like yourself? I suggest you get a canary or two and keep them in your house.... if they are STILL alive, singing and tweeting, the air is fine and so are you. Kevin
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Post# 726523 , Reply# 30   1/9/2014 at 19:14 (3,758 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Post# 726530 , Reply# 31   1/9/2014 at 19:46 (3,758 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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I have to agree with Kevin on this. All of the gas cooking appliances I've used have been of modern origin (1970s onward), and I've never seen any indication of filmy residue or off-putting smells in the air. That may or may not be true of older, vintage gas cookers; I have no experience with them. In my area an "old" house is one that was constructed before 1960 or so, so most of the appliances around here are fairly modern. Once I had neighbors who moved here from New Hampshire, and they laughed when their real estate agent referred to their 1970s house as old, as they'd moved from a house built in the 1700s. On the west coast that kind of history just doesn't exist.
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Post# 726557 , Reply# 34   1/9/2014 at 21:57 (3,758 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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I grew up in a small three bedroom house no upstairs,no horsepower. We had a cheap thirty six inch wide Magic Chef gas stove. No panel light,no oven light. Our furnace and water heater were also gas. I hated the smell and the inability to melt anything without burning or scorching it. I'd used electric before but,it wasn't until one of the members here came to visit and brought a gorgeous GE Americana forty inch double oven range in copperyone along with Westinghouse roaster with the base!!!! My apartment had a hopk up (220) and I fell in love with both! Once
I learned.(using thr Sensi-Temp) what to set each burner to for best stove top results. Results I NEVER got from any gas stove.No smells other then the fabulous aroma from what was cookinh. Here , I currently am using a nice Frigidaire thirty i.ch ceramic top model with a self cleaning oven. We have two of the portable induction cooktops and use them more often then not. Im saving up for a twin oven FRIGKDAIRE range with both convection self cleaning ovens and an induction cooktlp. Should e ready for it by 3/20/2014. |
Post# 726579 , Reply# 36   1/9/2014 at 23:47 (3,758 days old) by ptcruiser51 (Boynton Beach, FL)   |   | |
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Post# 726630 , Reply# 37   1/10/2014 at 06:12 (3,757 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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I dont want a gas stove UNLESS it has pilot lights....best oven in the world to raise yeast bread in, the perfect temp, and no aggravating click click click! |
Post# 726659 , Reply# 38   1/10/2014 at 09:46 (3,757 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 726663 , Reply# 39   1/10/2014 at 10:09 (3,757 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Gas vs. electric is a sure fire way to start an argument in some quarters ;-)
As far as broiling, I recall a gas industry ad from decades ago that posited that broiling with gas is cleaner than broiling with electric, because the gas flame tends to incinerate splatter and fumes better than an electric element. The result is supposed to be that the air coming out of the gas broiler is cleaner. I tend to agree, however, I do all the gas broiling here with a propane fired rotisserie out on the covered patio. Both ovens (one wall, one range) here are electric. |
Post# 726719 , Reply# 40   1/10/2014 at 14:29 (3,757 days old) by Lightedcontrols ()   |   | |
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Once you've used induction, you discover that resistance electric and gas is not even in the running. |
Post# 726742 , Reply# 42   1/10/2014 at 16:46 (3,757 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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....And it is most definitely not my intention to belittle anyone's perceptions....
I wonder if those who use gas ranges are accustomed to the odor some of us are describing and just don't smell it any more, due to familiarity? Sort of like smokers who don't sense the odor of cigarette smoke the way non-smokers do. To me, the smell of a gas range is pretty intense. I know the minute I enter a strange house if a gas range is in the kitchen. |
Post# 726746 , Reply# 43   1/10/2014 at 17:06 (3,757 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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That may be the case. All of my grandparents, and parents had/have gas appliances. We have gas appliances, and my in-laws did too. For the most part my relatives that live in town have gas, and those in rural areas have electric. I much prefer gas over electric for the same reason as Charlie, "when it's on, it's on, and when it's off, it's off". I've never had a problem with the stored heat in the grates.
P.S. There hasn't been another GE range (other than the avocado Versatronic) even close to yours on my local CL since finding the one you have. The stars must have been aligned just right that day. |
Post# 726750 , Reply# 44   1/10/2014 at 17:23 (3,757 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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I don't think there are many like the one you found for me anywhere! That is just a schweet range.
You have no idea how much more I cook now that I have it. A really bad range, like I had before, cramps your style so much you end up avoiding it to the maximum possible extent. Come for meatloaf sometime! After the roads are better, of course.... |
Post# 726751 , Reply# 45   1/10/2014 at 17:23 (3,757 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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There may be some truth to your theory. Not having gas, and not using gas, I can walk into a house with a gas range and smell it immediately.
I will probably be chased through the village with torches for this comment, but hey, you have to find me first. Same with gas dryers, to me they stink. Your clothes have an odor from them, and they turn your laundry brown, just like the song "Leader of the Laundromat". CLICK HERE TO GO TO Iheartmaytag's LINK |
Post# 726774 , Reply# 46   1/10/2014 at 18:27 (3,757 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 726816 , Reply# 49   1/10/2014 at 21:50 (3,757 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 726856 , Reply# 51   1/11/2014 at 03:01 (3,757 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Until about the 1960's, gas ranges were built with flues that would direct the exhaust from the oven into a chimney. Apparently the gas industry cleaned up its product sufficiently that the flues were no longer deemed necessary. However revelations that some public utilities used PCB laced oils to coat the inside of gas pipes to help prevent corrosion has raised new concerns about indoor contamination.
A measure to help matters is to run the kitchen/range exhaust fan when cooking with a gas appliance. |
Post# 726882 , Reply# 54   1/11/2014 at 07:13 (3,756 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Part of the reason for the elimination of oven flues may be due to the fact that during the 40's, 50's, and 60's is when utilities were switching over from man-made coal gas to natural gas. Old fashioned coal gas is a distillation of coal and contains a variety of gases including hydrogen, carbon monoxide, methane, and to a lesser degree carbon dioxide and nitrogen. Given the size of oven burners, the fumes given off could be very toxic if not vented properly. This post was last edited 01/11/2014 at 09:53 |
Post# 726888 , Reply# 55   1/11/2014 at 08:43 (3,756 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 726902 , Reply# 56   1/11/2014 at 09:26 (3,756 days old) by NYCWriter ()   |   | |
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... or a "film" buildup in my kitchen from using my gas stove. What are you people doing in your kitchens?? |
Post# 726911 , Reply# 57   1/11/2014 at 10:33 (3,756 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania )   |   | |
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Post# 726912 , Reply# 58   1/11/2014 at 10:33 (3,756 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Hey, yeah! My ceiling above my stove looks just as crappy, filthy, dirty--I mean CLEAN--as the rest of my ceiling in my kitchen...! Cabinets, too!
The ceiling and cabinetry in my dad's house over his electric stove look worse, compared to mine! I don't even see any yellow stains on my pans & pots, either...! -- Dave |
Post# 726924 , Reply# 59   1/11/2014 at 10:56 (3,756 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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The two small cabinets at ceiling height over my grandmother's gas range (above the range hood), the handles on them are deteriorated/corroded, rough to the touch, I assume due to effects of the gas ... maybe moisture? The kitchen was remodeled in 1998, cabinetry refurbished with new hardware. None of the other cabinets have suffered the effect. |
Post# 726927 , Reply# 60   1/11/2014 at 11:02 (3,756 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 726930 , Reply# 61   1/11/2014 at 11:03 (3,756 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 726974 , Reply# 63   1/11/2014 at 12:52 (3,756 days old) by NYCWriter ()   |   | |
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... all these different perspectives. So are gas users more likely to be Republican or Democrat? And what about electric users? |
Post# 726989 , Reply# 64   1/11/2014 at 14:28 (3,756 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Statistically I don't believe you will find a correlation, let alone a cause and effect, however, it does appear many republicans are full of gas, where as they tend to favor the electric chair over democrats.
The thing with a preference is that it is exactally that a preference. No answer is wrong no answer is right it is a preference the same as I don't prefer a black or white car. Others will say they would prefer a white car, though I feel each shows dirt more than other colors, there will be those that disagree. It is a preference. |
Post# 726995 , Reply# 65   1/11/2014 at 15:47 (3,756 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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GAS all the way! I find gas to be much more controllable and conducive to the my professional cooking style. Of course professional kitchens are almost always gas. I could see the point for electric in the home kitchen when ventilation or cooking style come into play.
That being said I have had only HORRID experiences with electric commercial cooking equipment. Much slower, less desirable product, lower yields for baking and roasting and higher operating cost! I will let the results on the finished plate, the time the customer has to wait and the cost of cooking it dictate my preference.
Just a take from someone who knows. WK78 |
Post# 727000 , Reply# 66   1/11/2014 at 16:00 (3,756 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Interesting comment, and here's why:
I taught during the '80s, doing four or more cooking classes a week. One of the things I found in using all kinds of equipment was that for the home cook, a residential electric range gave results closer to a professional gas range than a residential gas range did. Burners on a residential electric range at that time had a much higher heat output than those on residential gas ranges. Ovens were generally more even bakers - it takes a very high-quality gas range to overcome the basic problem inherent in gas oven design, which is that there must be airflow through the oven to support the combustion of the gas flame, causing temperature swings. Electric ovens suffer no such limitation. The cooking school I headed used guest teachers as well, and many of them were professionals. To a man and a woman, they always pouted when they came in for the first time and saw that they'd be expected to cook on a Thermador electric coil cooktop. I would then tell them, "Just crank the burner to High and leave it there - you'll get what you're looking for." In moments, they'd be happily searing away, mightily impressed that an electric range could perform so well. |
Post# 727004 , Reply# 67   1/11/2014 at 16:20 (3,756 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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But those chefs had no need to pout. If they could cook on gas using the electric coils on high as you said would yield similar results as cooking on a solid surface hot top(not to be confused with a flattop grill) for sautéing and other high temp short order cooking. However I have never found ANY electric or gas home oven that can bake like commercial gas convection oven. WK78 |
Post# 727007 , Reply# 68   1/11/2014 at 16:48 (3,756 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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I take your point about convection, but then most people don't have any idea what it can do, which means there's not really any strong mainstream demand for competent convection in home ranges. We did use convection in classes, but it was either a Farberware convection oven of mine (a surprisingly effective unit) or a Maxim unit that belonged to the store.
I agree that those pros had no actual need to pout, but trust me, pout they did. Like, "This is totally beneath me!" Most learned, a few refused to get with the program. |
Post# 727019 , Reply# 69   1/11/2014 at 17:38 (3,756 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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For you there is a great way forward - INDUCTION
Whilst induction tops cost more than regular one (although the difference is getting more and more marginal at least in this country) and assuming you do not have a gas line, the cost and disruption of installing a gas line will massively outweigh the cost of an induction that you can just drop into the existing (hopefully) cut out - here in Europe they come in all shapes and sizes. If you happen to have cast iron cookware then you are immediately good to go. If not then you may have to invest in some new cookware but again, at least in this country, induction compatible pans etc. do not cost much more than good quality regular lines. And unless you are going to buy very top end cookware, again you are still under the cost of installing a gas line. I have had an induction top for the last 8 years, and even if I could have a gas (my home is all electric) I would not have anything but induction now. Al |
Post# 727020 , Reply# 70   1/11/2014 at 17:41 (3,756 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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I still have my Farber Turbo oven. It turned out perfect pound cakes for years. It was my first "second" oven. |
Post# 727021 , Reply# 71   1/11/2014 at 17:45 (3,756 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Check out this current thread on AW, with GE videos about using induction tops
CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK |
Post# 727081 , Reply# 72   1/11/2014 at 21:26 (3,756 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 727132 , Reply# 73   1/12/2014 at 05:57 (3,755 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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That the old gas ovens with a modulating control have almost no temperature swing, they stay exactly where you set them, and thats why they bake better.Most commercial ovens still use this type of control, usually a big old Robertshaw. |
Post# 727184 , Reply# 74   1/12/2014 at 12:09 (3,755 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Electric, I wouldn't consider gas unless I was cooking outside.
Gas is too slow. The typical home gas burner is about 10k BTU and a good percentage of that heat goes up and around the pan. Years ago I had a pro-gas friend that said his range would smoke my electric in time to boil. With a large stock pot my electric was about 40% sooner to boil, he was amazed. The high end boutique gas ranges today all have 15-18K big burners so that will level the field a bit. I believe that gas is messy. There is a large thermal plume rising around the outside of the pot with a gas flame under it. This tends to carry aloft the fine aerosol grease spatters which travel about the kitchen. Of the kitchens I have been in with gas ranges its funny that all the range hoods and upper cabinets seem messier then ones with electric cooktops. I do clearly remember the odor of a gas stove when I walk into a house. This largely went away when the standing pilots were eliminated though. In a commercial kitchen gas makes sense. The burners are huge, three or more times the output of a residential stove, just what is needed for fast professional cooking. Also with the continuous duty cycle gas is far cheaper then electric. At home the difference between gas and electric would be a tiny fraction of household energy consumption. Finally in a commercial kitchen there is a large high CFM hood to carry away excess heat, fumes and aerosol greases. I find comparisons stating gas is superior at home because its superior commercially are spurious at best. Its like the motorcycle kids that think slick tires make sense on the street because they are what the pros use on the track. Its an apples to oranges comparison. Of course in the end we all likes-what-we-likes and nobody will tell us different. This discussion is like religion or politics, you can talk all you like and nobody will change their position. There is no wrong answer, both heat sources hold their own merits, the choice is up to the end user. |
Post# 727223 , Reply# 75   1/12/2014 at 15:20 (3,755 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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I have cooked on electric coil, electric smoothtop, gas and induction. Electric coil is what I learned to cook on and it does heat up fast and seems to be true to settings. The electric smoothtop Whirlpool I had took some time to get used to but once mastered not any issues except learning to shut the heat off the last 5 mins or so to cook with residual heat built up in the cooktop. Cleaning was another thing. I had to use that Cerama Brite stuff and a good scraper to get off any spills. The best electric coil range I have used is a GE Spectra, next was a Whirlpool coil with continuoes clean oven. Temps were spot on and I liked that stove very much. With gas I have used a Magic Chef that had pretty anemic burners yet the oven was ok temp wise and baking. A Bosch that I recently had that I wouldnt wish on anyone. Baking with the Bosch had alot to be desired and temps would swing a good 50 degrees below what it was set at. Cooktop burners were ok and I adapted to the beast.
The best gas range I have to say is what I have now and thats a GE. This range exceeds everything I expected out of a gas range. Oven temps are spot on and this is the first gas oven that I have used that uses the broiler as well as the bake burner for baking. Performance is much like an electric oven and temp swing is a mere 10 degrees. I have never seen a gas oven do what this one does. Most if not all of the ones I have used employed only the bake burner for Bake, Conv Bake, Conv roast. But the GE cycles the bake burner, then the broiler burner on low, to maintain a very even balanced cooking enviornment. The Convection bake mode pulses the fan off and on on low. Does the same on Convecion Roast but the fan moves at a higher speed and pulses as well. I have had the GE now for close to 2 months now. Cleaning the cooktop is very easy. The burners come up and I have pretty much a smoothtop to clean. Gas ranges have come a long ways I must say. I have used induction as I have a hotplate that is induction and I use it mainly in the summer. Its fast and cool meaning no added heat in the kitchen. BUT I have to stand away from it since it interferes with my pacemaker/defibrilator. I get too close to it and I feel it in my heart thru the leads. It makes for an interesting experience. Here is a pic of my GE stove. |
Post# 727356 , Reply# 76   1/13/2014 at 05:08 (3,755 days old) by NYCWriter ()   |   | |
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"At home the difference between gas and electric would be a tiny fraction of household energy consumption." Not in New York City, where you'll find the most expensive electricity in the nation. |
Post# 727368 , Reply# 77   1/13/2014 at 07:38 (3,754 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 727390 , Reply# 78   1/13/2014 at 09:42 (3,754 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 727507 , Reply# 80   1/13/2014 at 17:13 (3,754 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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I absolutely love my O'Keefe & Merrit gas range in every way. Thanks again Dynaflow and Norgeway!!! |
Post# 727676 , Reply# 82   1/14/2014 at 12:18 (3,753 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 727705 , Reply# 83   1/14/2014 at 15:34 (3,753 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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I like that range!, That is one of the later ones that uses the same burners as some of the Tappans, I always loved the way those worked with the film of flame instead of small holes, im glad someone agrees with me about baking in a gas oven!LOL |
Post# 727711 , Reply# 84   1/14/2014 at 16:25 (3,753 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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Love your stove! |
Post# 727808 , Reply# 87   1/15/2014 at 08:37 (3,752 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 727833 , Reply# 88   1/15/2014 at 11:39 (3,752 days old) by 58limited (Port Arthur, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 727984 , Reply# 89   1/16/2014 at 02:15 (3,752 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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The problem of excess heat from a gas burner escaping up the sides of the pot or pan is largely due to the popularity of "sealed burners" in modern gas rangers. Older burners were not sealed and got their oxygen for complete combustion mixed in before the burner. Most sealed burners instead get their oxygen from underneath the burner, and the resultant flame spread pattern is wider and shallower than an older burner flame patter. This means that instead of the flame fitting well within the perimeter of the cooking utensil, it tends to bloom outwards and reach the edge, especially at full flow.
There are SOME modern burners that attempt to correct for this by having a sealed burner with a flame that doesn't bloom as much. I haven't tried one but it sounds like a worthwhile improvement. The sealed burner is probably cheaper to manufacture than the older design, and perhaps also allows for a more compact top end of a range or height of a cooktop. |
Post# 728029 , Reply# 90   1/16/2014 at 07:48 (3,751 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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Yesterday the Salton portable induction cooktop I ordered arrived. I must say that I am very impressed with induction cooking! Of course I had to try it out to see how long it would take to bring the pot of water I cook spaghetti in to a boil - just over 2 minutes. I can select the 8 heat settings either by watts (300-1800) or temperature (F or C). When turned on it defaults to 1400 watts. I changed it to the maximum but found it tripped the circuit breaker on the outlet on the stove even though it is a 15 amp breaker (15aX120V=1800w). It also has a 3 hour timer. My pots are stainless steel so they were induction ready. My skillets are not however so I will go shopping for a small skillet.
Gary CLICK HERE TO GO TO countryguy's LINK |
Post# 741767 , Reply# 91   3/14/2014 at 05:45 (3,695 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 742387 , Reply# 94   3/16/2014 at 13:58 (3,692 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)   |   | |
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I baked cheese straws in the O'Keefe twice recently and they came out great. Better than any electric oven I ever had. |
Post# 742414 , Reply# 95   3/16/2014 at 15:18 (3,692 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 742421 , Reply# 96   3/16/2014 at 15:28 (3,692 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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We also own a rental house, and we put a 1972 Frigidaire in service at that house. I used only once, to make cranberry relish and used the "heat minder" burner for that. I was impressed by the way that feature operated. We chose an electric over gas at this house because of fire risk. Sometimes tenants are careless, and we thought an electric would be the best bet.
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Post# 742675 , Reply# 97   3/17/2014 at 11:50 (3,691 days old) by Davey7 (Chicago)   |   | |
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Jeff, thanks! If I had been the one redoing my kitchen in circa 1960 I would have had two wall ovens and a cooktop, but that's just me. Rick, your gas range is charming. |
Post# 962223 , Reply# 98   10/12/2017 at 22:01 (2,386 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Am I cheating if I look at the NUMBERS on my gas burner knobs?
Wonder when they started using them? I remember when there was only Light and Off, or Off, Light and High--In fact, there was a once upon a time when burners just said Off, and before that, nothing! (IN fact, you probably didn't even have to push the knob in...) I think I just need to get into the habit of looking under the pot or pan and see the FLAME! The marks of a TRUE GAS USER... What's more, I love just having the flame on the lowest setting (I use a very small "Simmer Burner" my "new" range has) if I want to keep something warm--and I think my gas range--ANY for that matter--seems to give the freedom to do that, while with an electric, there would still be "cooking" going on there... Seen this done on older gas ranges, w/ regular-sized burners, and sometimes the owners being trustworthy enough to leave it on! (Oh, I never would!) -- Dave |
Post# 962228 , Reply# 99   10/12/2017 at 22:29 (2,386 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)   |   | |
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Ok, I'm slow. Is there another way to regulate the setting of a gas burner besides looking at the flame? |
Post# 962232 , Reply# 100   10/12/2017 at 23:21 (2,386 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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I have had gas stoves my entire life and despised electrics to cook on. My preference. Yes you adjust the heat by the size of the flame instantly, not the dial setting taking forever on electric. I really miss the CP center burners that you could really regulate. I do love an electric oven as it does seem to bake much better. If I ever have another stove, it will be a dual fuel gas top, electric dual ovens. Granted that my gas oven works during a power outage but chances of me using it then are slim to none.
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Post# 962260 , Reply# 103   10/13/2017 at 08:01 (2,385 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Okay, in my assessment, maybe there was a time the knob just told you where to turn to LIGHT!
A little vertical line would designate "off", or there simply was a detent--but, really, in this evolution you could write VOLUMES... I figured if I do a Search that I would find this thread, rather than start a new one, given that my recent point about a preferred method of cooking (or a new-found angle on this) relates to what kind of cooking is preferred, or "which is BETTER?"... I do believe electric ovens make for better baking, enough that if my toaster oven were big enough or I could do one cake layer at a time I would give it a try--and my own personal experience is a standpoint there... I have done better--evenly--with an electric oven, so little wonder built-in combos to a great percentage are electric for your cavity of baking & broiling, while the cooktop is a flame, GAS... I'd sooner experience a gas shut-off (because we were getting new meters) than to have ever experienced a power outage, where I'd needed too manually light a gas burner (and one burner on my range occasionally DOES need a lighter or a match when the spark just won't ignite)... We'd had a couple where my only concern was bringing all my refrigerated stuff & frozen stuff to my in-laws' because you had a generator, and an extra fridge & a free-standing freezer... (Then retrieved ecvreythting when our juice went back on...) Another time was an annoying interruption of my 2-Disc Lenny Dee set (can't stand his singing of "Them There Eyes", in lieu of his organ playing, unless I'm in a deep sleep during--played it on a portable player via my Pringles can speaker next to my bed, and woke up during a dream of my wife's court shows; the judge (Mathis or Joe Brown?) squawking!)... -- Dave |
Post# 962299 , Reply# 104   10/13/2017 at 13:10 (2,385 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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As for numbers on gas stove controls, they might not be calibrated...but I wonder if they wouldn't be "close enough" for many people. Also if one uses mostly one burner, the numbers--once memorized--would presumably enough. It wouldn't be calibrated, but the control should, I'd think, stay pretty much the same--#4 today should be pretty much the same as #4 a year ago. (Of course, more ambitious cooks might use more than one burner... But I'm single, live alone, don't do dinner parties. Back when I had a working stove, I tended to use one burner for pretty much everything, and when I used additional burners, they were used for stuff that didn't need much control. The Primary Burner might gently simmer the spaghetti sauce, and some other burner would be on high to boil pasta water.) |
Post# 962300 , Reply# 105   10/13/2017 at 13:15 (2,385 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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As for me, pretty much every stove I've used has been electric. My only "gas" stove experience was a propane stove. I don't recall trying anything that would really benefit from gas on that. But I do recall it could be temperamental with pilot lights going out, and the oven was hugely frustrating--it was very easy to burn stuff.
At times, I was interested in gas just because it was what was said to be best, and I was a more ambitious cook. That argument has some merit, plus I think the flames are pretty and appeal to my Inner Caveman. But electric seems to work acceptably for what I do.
I'm curious, too, about induction...but that's too expensive, even for hotplates, given the nature of my cooking these days. |
Post# 962302 , Reply# 106   10/13/2017 at 13:20 (2,385 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I do believe electric ovens make for better baking, enough that if my toaster oven were big enough or I could do one cake layer at a time I would give it a try
I've used toaster ovens heavily for nearly 20 years now. At times--like now--they've even been my only oven. Good toaster ovens seem to get the job done quite nicely--although I'm not doing anything horribly ambitious. But I have baked lots of loaves of bread, muffins, biscuits, etc. At times, I had a big oven available...but still went with the toaster oven. I figured it probably heated up faster, and might use less energy.
It helps, of course, that I'm alone, and typically bake small quantities of something (e.g., one loaf of bread). But even if I were cooking for another person or two (as was once regularly the case), a toaster oven would be good enough for a lot of baking (e.g., one loaf of quick bread, or a few muffins to go with dinner). |
Post# 962317 , Reply# 107   10/13/2017 at 16:05 (2,385 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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The house I live in has a Kenmore electric stove. The house I live in used to be all electric at one point looking at the braker panel, but the previous owners decided to get natural gas, but they kept the stove electric. One thing that is good about gas stoves is the cook top can be used when the power is out.
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Post# 962325 , Reply# 108   10/13/2017 at 17:03 (2,385 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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That is what is ideal about gas. In the event you were cooking something when the power goes out, at least you can finish stove top cooking. Also I use the burners sometimes as an heat source in cold winters but not often. |
Post# 962363 , Reply# 109   10/13/2017 at 20:39 (2,385 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Like I said the first power outage, the whole block/street/city was blacked out--and while my in-laws had a generator & resided nearby... So my concern was getting my perishables somewhere safely, no matter how neat that stove top would have been to have manually lit--I mean what was there, among a flashlight and all those candles I had lit, what was there I wanted to, or had to cook or could eat? (Besides in a few hours, next day I trawled back to retrieve all that--tiring, to say the least...)
(They are far away in Israel now, and if we have no power here, my dad has no power at his place--in fact, his electricity goes out at about twice the rate as ours, and my friend on the next block once had his power out for days (turning on light switches to, just to forget--No Power!), while one years later, time that next block was Times Square, to our pitch black--felt like passing the blame on some of those self-defrosting upright freezers & other electrical appliances & fancy gadgets those folks had! (LOL!) Next time, the power worked a bit intermittently, on my side of the street, so across the street a few porch lights were on, and it was just beginning to become dawn, as the streetlights went out--but among my music & stereo conking out & my CD I was trying to enjoy having to be reset, and the air conditioner going on and off, the juice eventually stayed constant... And when we got new gas meters, there was no gas, so I fried my one egg to go with my burrito (that I microwaved) on my electric griddle... We just had to call the gas company when the gas did go back on, to light the pilots on our water heater & furnace... -- Dave |
Post# 962402 , Reply# 110   10/14/2017 at 05:46 (2,385 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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As far as baking, NOTHING beats a OLD gas oven with the modulating thermostat, the new ones, not so much. |
Post# 962537 , Reply# 112   10/14/2017 at 16:07 (2,384 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Just a note: not all stainless steel is induction ready. The higher quality stainless, like 18-8 or 18-10, is not magnetic (that is, doesn't respond very much to induction) as initially produced. The act of forging stainless into a pot or pan may induce some magnetic response ability, but seems to me it's never quite as much as with a truly magnetic SS like 18-0, or just plain iron or rust ready steel.
Newer high quality induction ready stainless cookware often has the 18-8 material forming the parts that contact food during cooking, and then a layer of magnetic stainless cladding on the bottom. Or the magnetic layer can be sandwiched between two layers of 18-8. This is similar to the construction of induction ready aluminum cookware. From what I've seen, such cookware usually has a magnetic stainless bottom cap. Other than that, I can cook with either gas or resistance electric, but I prefer gas. Haven't tried induction yet, although back in the 90's I stayed in a Japanese hotel that had little (4" diameter) magnetic hotplates and small magnetic stainless teapots in the rooms. These were great, and would automatically shut themselves off once the water started boiling. I've searched for similar for the last 20 years but been unable to find any. |
Post# 962557 , Reply# 113   10/14/2017 at 17:05 (2,384 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Are a great improvement for gas surface cooking, they make it much easier to get a similar heat every time you cook.
Looking at the flame takes a lot of experience and is never as precise as having numbered settings on the dial, this has always been one of the major advantages of electric cooking. Now with the better gas ranges with numbered dials you can tell to child over the prone to simmer the rice on number 2 for example or warm some soup of the RF burner on setting 6 etc. John L. |
Post# 962761 , Reply# 114   10/15/2017 at 21:29 (2,383 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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With older gas ranges, the burners sat lower from the cookware, and it was easier to see the flame. Also, they were not sealed burners so the flame did not spread out as much as it does modern sealed burners. The lack of spread means the height of the flame and therefore the amount of heat being produced is easier to detect at a glance, without having the lift the cookware.
I have a modern sealed burner Frigidiare "Gas on Glass" cooktop. I hardly ever look at the numbers on the dials. Most of the time it's turn it up all the way until the igniter starts to click, for full heat/searing/fast boiling, and then down all the way for simmering. Occasionally somewhere in between for a medium boil (like pasta) or when the flame blooms past the edge of the cookware. For stuff like that, exact heat settings are not really necessary. I still like that I can turn off the burner and the heat is essentially gone, important for many cooking techniques. |
Post# 962766 , Reply# 115   10/15/2017 at 21:51 (2,383 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 962767 , Reply# 116   10/15/2017 at 21:55 (2,383 days old) by brucelucenta ()   |   | |
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I'll take a smooth top induction unit. |
Post# 962809 , Reply# 117   10/16/2017 at 00:53 (2,383 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Is that the newer sealed burners wont turn down to a true simmer like the old Center Simmer Harper Wyman burners would. |
Post# 962820 , Reply# 119   10/16/2017 at 06:05 (2,383 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Here we our in August this year canning in 2 All-American aluminum canners and two aluminum Mirro canners on electric ranges, I have never heard that these don't work well on electric ranges, there is nothing about that in the manual.
Roughly 70% of Americans cook on electric ranges and probably even a larger % do in the mid-west where home canning is probably even more popular.
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Post# 962824 , Reply# 121   10/16/2017 at 06:38 (2,383 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)   |   | |
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Where is this that you are canning all this produce? |
Post# 962843 , Reply# 122   10/16/2017 at 10:33 (2,382 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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