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Thread Number: 50827
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Post# 731164 1/28/2014 at 05:58 (3,730 days old) by chachp  (North Little Rock, AR) |
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 I dropped into Habitat for Humanity last week to peruse the used dishwashers and to my surprise there were none!! I was surprised because the previous week there were about 15 of them. I asked the sales lady where they went and she said there was some new Federal law that prohibits them from selling the used dishwashers anymore. She wasn't exactly sure what it was about but said it had something to do with Lead.
Does anyone know about any of this? Has anyone else heard this? In my area the old machines just don't turn up often on Craigslist so Habitat was a great resource for me. I got my GE Potscrubber, my KUDS21 and my KDS20 there. Each for $25 which is really cheap. | ||
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Post# 731168 , Reply# 1 1/28/2014 at 06:23 (3,730 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Could it be water and energy usage? | ||
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Post# 731174 , Reply# 2 1/28/2014 at 07:15 (3,730 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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 GASP!! A sad day indeed.
I stopped at the Habitat ReStore downtown on Friday and there were also no dishwashers, not one. Last week there were ten or more. I didn't ask, just thought they may have consolidated them with the stock at their 2nd location out in the western part of the city.
The lead content in pipes and fittings could be the culprit. It doesn't appear dishwashers are exempt from new lead-content laws that went into effect Jan 4, 2014. CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK | ||
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Post# 731176 , Reply# 3 1/28/2014 at 07:21 (3,730 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Federal Law Prevents Reselling Used DWs?
Thats ridicules, someone badly misinterpreted something, ask the store owner to show you the law. Is your Habitat Store still accepting used DWs as donations?, if so call a news reporter and get them to film them destroying good used donations that people are righting off their federal and state taxes.
I suspect that Habitat just decided not to bother with used DWs any longer, they generally are hard to sell and bring little money for the store. The non-profir store I work with often has so many used built-in DWs that they sometimes sell them for $5 or even give them away and finally when I go in there every month or so I usually direct them to just scrap many of them. Last month I even had them scrap 3 older Mieles along with about a dozen other machines. John L. | ||
| Post# 731180 , Reply# 4 1/28/2014 at 07:52 (3,730 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Not to Hi Jack but related to water,
Oh the EPA or whom ever is concerned about lead.
But it's OK to heavily chlorinate, add fluoride, add arsenic and raise levels of toxins to a higher percentage. There is more crap in tap water to the point where I had to buy a Chlorine Filter for my shower, a water distiller, and 2 Brita Filters that I use for cooking and rinsing vegetables. | ||
| Post# 731181 , Reply# 5 1/28/2014 at 07:52 (3,730 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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| Post# 731182 , Reply# 6 1/28/2014 at 07:55 (3,730 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) | ||
That does it! | ||
| Post# 731192 , Reply# 7 1/28/2014 at 08:50 (3,730 days old) by washer111 () | ||
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Doesn't matter who you vote for, unless there is the "AutomaticWasher Party," you'll still get the Eco/Health-Nazi's marching in on your parade, just to differing degrees, I guess.
If this is true, all I have to say would appear in Symbols, Stars and Bleeps! | ||
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Post# 731204 , Reply# 8 1/28/2014 at 09:31 (3,730 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I have doubts that everyone with a used dishwasher for sale is going to prison, but I plan to make popcorn and enjoy reading the posts of the conspiracy theorists.
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| Post# 731215 , Reply# 9 1/28/2014 at 10:15 (3,730 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
Was recently thinking I wouldnt be that surprised if we heard that the Feds pass "legislation" that citizens will be required to have energy effecient appliances no more than xx years old. It will fall to townships to enforce through local building codes. My first reaction to my thought was that could never happen. How could they dictate what appliances we can and cant have in our private homes. But Im not so sure anymore with all the new BS thats thrown at us every day.
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| Post# 731233 , Reply# 11 1/28/2014 at 11:36 (3,730 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
Or perhaps...  | ||
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Post# 731234 , Reply# 12 1/28/2014 at 11:37 (3,730 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Here is what the website says about the change:
Due to new federal regulations we can no longer accept plumbing items that deliver potable water. This restriction includes kitchen and bathroom sink faucets, dishwashers, and water heaters along with the plumbing fittings that lead to these items. Without knowing the purpose of the new regulation, it is hard to guess if it is a good one or not. CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK | ||
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Post# 731237 , Reply# 13 1/28/2014 at 11:40 (3,730 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Regarding Lead | ||
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Post# 731240 , Reply# 14 1/28/2014 at 11:48 (3,730 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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If the regulators are that concerned about potable water, they should make dishwashers rinse better so that dishes, glasses etc. don't emerge from the machines with detergent film left by inadequate rinsing. As usual, they are gagging on gnats and swallowing camels. | ||
| Post# 731243 , Reply# 16 1/28/2014 at 12:00 (3,730 days old) by bmr6969 (columbus ohio) | ||
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in the FAQ.s on the website....... Are dishwashers considered devices that supply drinking water? Dishwashers are not specifically listed as an exempt product and as such should be discussed with the Authority Having Jurisdiction. | ||
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Post# 731244 , Reply# 17 1/28/2014 at 12:06 (3,730 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Habitat for Humanity Prince George's Co. If you go to the link and tab down to the pictures, you will still see DWs. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Tomturbomatic's LINK | ||
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Post# 731247 , Reply# 18 1/28/2014 at 12:17 (3,730 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 731255 , Reply# 19 1/28/2014 at 12:44 (3,730 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Popcorn. How that Eugene loves to tickle ! | ||
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Post# 731275 , Reply# 20 1/28/2014 at 13:09 (3,730 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 731280 , Reply# 21 1/28/2014 at 13:25 (3,730 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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The EPA Should be no more! Then we could compete with China, Im all for letting the coal smoke roll!!! | ||
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Post# 731303 , Reply# 23 1/28/2014 at 16:12 (3,730 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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An 'AutomaticWasher Party' | ||
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Post# 731346 , Reply# 24 1/28/2014 at 19:39 (3,730 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Lead In DWs ?
All DWs had a brass fitting that was part of the inlet vale until recently, and many still do. It is not illegal to use brass [ which contains lead ] in plumbing fittings [ California does require brass fittings and items that contain them to be labeled as a possible health risk however ].
I cannot imagine that the tiny bit of brass in the inlet fitting could ever leach a detectable amount of lead onto clean dishes that would be consumed when eating off the DW washed dishes. John L. | ||
| Post# 731347 , Reply# 25 1/28/2014 at 19:47 (3,730 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Big Al | ||
| Post# 731357 , Reply# 26 1/28/2014 at 20:30 (3,730 days old) by NYCWriter () | ||
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Eddie ... I hate to break it to you but your Brita filters are NOT filtering out the fluoride. Only one filtration system (aside from reverse osmosis) on the market can do that: the Berkey. | ||
| Post# 731366 , Reply# 27 1/28/2014 at 20:57 (3,730 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
what is wrong in selling old used vintage dishwashers | ||
| Post# 731385 , Reply# 28 1/28/2014 at 22:10 (3,730 days old) by Northwesty (Renton, WA) | ||
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I was at the local Ace hardware looking to fix my vintage faucet and about 1/3 of the repair kits were pulled because of this, probably this law. He said it was because of possible lead. He didn't seem too happy about it. Of course my repair kit was one of the ones that went missing. | ||
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Post# 731389 , Reply# 29 1/28/2014 at 22:28 (3,730 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Filtering Out Fluoride | ||
| Post# 731403 , Reply# 31 1/29/2014 at 01:43 (3,729 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
This whole thing is ridiculous. Thousands of tons of lead makes its way back into the environment from CRT televisions that are not recycled. And that doesn't include lead from solder in rejected electronics, especially from countries like China and others that don't follow the Rohs directive. It's just more b/s to aggravate people like us that that appreciate quality appliances and to force planned obsolescence on us. Makes me furious.
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| Post# 731405 , Reply# 32 1/29/2014 at 01:56 (3,729 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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| Post# 731409 , Reply# 34 1/29/2014 at 03:33 (3,729 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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Post# 731450 , Reply# 36 1/29/2014 at 07:55 (3,729 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Thinking back over the last month or so of my usual Friday stops at the Restore location(s) here, I recall now signs in the plumbing department selling off "sinks & lavatories with attached faucets" for $5, far less than their usual pricing of $35-50. Not knowing the reason, I figured they were selling off inventory before the new year.
I only noticed the dishwashers were all gone last week but thinking about it, there were also no kitchen or bath faucets, nor sinks with faucets attached - a normal sight at Habitat.
A couple of weeks ago, I grabbed a wall-hung lavatory I'd had my eye on for a while. For only $5 instead of $50, how could I lose? Imagine my good fortune! Lol I love these old Crane fixtures and thought it would make a cool replacement for the pedestrian, big-box white pedestal sink in the room now. I'd been doing some reading and research on replacing and rebuilding the faucet & drain parts. I guess I'd better order the parts I may need, who knows how far this "ban" will extend. Ugh.
This is my sink (without the girl) but my sink is the jade-green color. CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK 
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Post# 731472 , Reply# 37 1/29/2014 at 10:18 (3,729 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Greg, I have long admired those sinks with the cast in water spout and like that color you are talking about. | ||
| Post# 733586 , Reply# 38 2/7/2014 at 18:56 (3,720 days old) by maytag712 (Caldwell Kansas) | ||
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Post# 733648 , Reply# 41 2/8/2014 at 07:01 (3,719 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 733757 , Reply# 42 2/8/2014 at 14:28 (3,719 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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This is nanny government going too far Whatever happened to personal responsibility and survival of the fittest? There's no doubt in my mind that the gene pool in this country is out of whack due to legislation that promotes its deterioration.
If in fact HFH is interpreting this latest crock of craziness correctly.
I was at my ReStore this past week and they still had dishwashers and sinks. I can't recall if the sinks had faucets on them, but there were used faucets on the plumbing shelves. | ||
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Post# 734043 , Reply# 43 2/9/2014 at 16:46 (3,718 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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I spoke to my brother-in-law... ....who manages a H4H in Denver. | ||
| Post# 734045 , Reply# 44 2/9/2014 at 16:51 (3,718 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Yes... Sound like they just didn't want to fool with used dishwashers anymore! | ||
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Post# 734073 , Reply# 45 2/9/2014 at 18:43 (3,718 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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A CSA label?? | ||
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Post# 734090 , Reply# 46 2/9/2014 at 19:35 (3,718 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Crazy Did you know they just reduced again the water usage requirements for washing machines coming down the pike? I haven't checked how low this time but some idiot that has never washed a diaper must have come up with the newer standards!
I'm with NYC on the fluoride, just installed an alumina filter water tastes better already.
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Post# 734177 , Reply# 47 2/10/2014 at 04:25 (3,717 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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i could have had the acronym wrong... | ||
| Post# 734864 , Reply# 48 2/12/2014 at 21:36 (3,715 days old) by tsteves5 () | ||
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My Habitat Still Has Dishwashers For what it's worth, I was in a Habitat in Denver today and they still have a bunch of dishwashers. Some were defintely older than 10 years. | ||
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Post# 735077 , Reply# 49 2/13/2014 at 20:23 (3,714 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Reduction Of Lead In Drinking Water Act And Frequently Asked Questions How does EPA interpret the phrase “potable services”? A. EPA interprets “potable services” to be services or applications that provide water suitable for human ingestion (e.g. drinking, teeth brushing, food preparation, dishwashing, maintaining oral hygiene). 6. Q. Are household appliances or fixtures, such as washing machines, dishwashers and water heaters subject to the lead free requirements? A. If the appliance or fixture is part of the plumbing system and is not used exclusively for nonpotable services, it is subject to the lead free requirements. As a result, washing machines are exempt as a device that is used exclusively for nonpotable services. Dishwashers and water heaters, on the other hand, are not exempt because they are used for potable services. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 735080 , Reply# 50 2/13/2014 at 20:25 (3,714 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 735113 , Reply# 52 2/14/2014 at 00:49 (3,713 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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The EPA, like many other government agencies, goes over board in some areas and totally fails in others. Why can't the people that work for these agencies have some common sense. It's like they can't see the forest for the trees. And they wonder why the people don't have any confidence in them. Every time I am subjected to a government entity I have to prepare myself for incompetency and I'm pleasantly surprised when it doesn't happen.
Sorry this is drifting a bit from where it started. | ||
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Post# 735147 , Reply# 53 2/14/2014 at 05:44 (3,713 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Lead In Water
I completely agree with the EPAs regulations regarding doing anything reasonable to reduce peoples exposure to lead.
I also think that it is an extreme overreach to not sell a used DW because of one small brass fitting that is part of almost all built-in DWs produced over the last 50+ years. I do think that it makes good sense not to build DWs with this fitting as there are other satisfactory ways to connect water to the machine that do not have lead in the fittings. I do not think that ANYONE that knows the extreme hazards of lead on young children would ever suggest that lead water supply pipes are safe under ANY circumstances. Here in Washington DC it was common to have the main water supply pipe coming into the home be made of lead, and our water is not very soft [ average 6-10 grains of hardness ] yet fairly high levels have been measured in hundreds of homes all over the city. The city and homeowners are still working to replace all the lead water supply's throughout the city. John L. | ||
| Post# 735163 , Reply# 56 2/14/2014 at 07:39 (3,713 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO) | ||
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A blood test will reveal hundreds of toxic chemicals in most peoples blood. I have a feeling that someone or more likely some corporation is grinding an axe to prevent used dishwashers from being sold so that more trash dishwashers will have to be purchased. It could be a shady back room deal between lobbyists and government. There's usually a story behind the story that most of us never hear.
The government loves to set acceptable levels, but those levels and the levels the body will accept are usually two different things. | ||
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