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Post# 733376   2/6/2014 at 15:33 (3,724 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Look what I built this today! Its basically a copy of the Picture Window Lady Kenmore. Its not totally done yet. I want to add a switch to turn the light on/off so it can be on even of the machine isn't running. I also haven't sealed the windows in yet its basically all dry fitted together. I have one question: I removed the detergent dispenser, but could easily put it back on the side. My question is if I'm using the detergent pods is there any reason to put the dispenser back? (The only reason I can think of is for the second wash? I've never used the pods but if this was the case do you use 2?) I also need the bottom panel for the dishwasher if anyone knows where or has one laying around I could buy? (color isn't important as I will probably paint whats left of the front panel anyway). Lots more picture to come I took pictures of the whole process!




Post# 733387 , Reply# 1   2/6/2014 at 15:53 (3,724 days old) by washer111 ()        
Detergent Dispenser:

I think the sequence on this machine is Wash -> Rinse -> Rinse -> Wash -> Rinse -> Rinse -> Rinse

 

So you'll definitely need the detergent dispenser, unless you plan on hanging around for the second wash or wasting a pod in the very short Pre-Wash of the machine. 

 

I would perhaps use a pod for the main-wash and a little bit of powder dumped in the bottom for the Pre-Wash phase. 


Post# 733396 , Reply# 2   2/6/2014 at 16:11 (3,724 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Dave, wow I'm very impressed! Great job!

What I did for the light is I changed the door switch from a Single Pole/Single Throw switch to a Single Pole/Double Throw switch. That way when the door is opened the light comes on and when the door is closed and the machines starts the light comes on. I love having the light come on when I open the door as well.

Our Picture Window Lady Kenmore has R-W-R-W-R-R so I had no choice but to install the dispenser on the side. Be sure to use good sensor safe silicone for sealing the glass to the inner door and the side window for the light.


Post# 733400 , Reply# 3   2/6/2014 at 17:14 (3,724 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Nice copy

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can't wait for the video.

 

 


Post# 733416 , Reply# 4   2/6/2014 at 19:12 (3,724 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        
Silicone

Robert what is "sensor safe" silicone? How can you determine which brands are formulated that way?

Post# 733417 , Reply# 5   2/6/2014 at 19:13 (3,724 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City)        

Cool dishwasher project! Congratulations, it looks great! Have fun with it!

Post# 733427 , Reply# 6   2/6/2014 at 19:56 (3,724 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Al, I use Permatex Ultra-Blue, it is available at Ace Hardware. It is a non-toxic silicone and has never failed me yet.

Post# 733431 , Reply# 7   2/6/2014 at 20:23 (3,724 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        
Thanks

Robert, thats exactly what I got to seal the windows (per your original, inspiring, post). I'm going to do that tomorrow as well as install the dispenser. The dial on the machine says W-R-W-R-D. I'll post some more picts. It won't be installed in the kitchen for a few months as I'm remodeling soon. I can rig it to a garden hose for a video so don't worry.

Post# 733433 , Reply# 8   2/6/2014 at 20:34 (3,724 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Wonderful dishwasher project

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It will be so fun to use. Here is how Hobart does it.
WK78


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Post# 733440 , Reply# 9   2/6/2014 at 22:03 (3,724 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Great job, Dave!  Now we're all gonna want one...


Post# 733459 , Reply# 10   2/7/2014 at 04:29 (3,723 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Extra Credit !!!

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Nicely Done.


Post# 733460 , Reply# 11   2/7/2014 at 04:29 (3,723 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Post# 733478 , Reply# 12   2/7/2014 at 07:07 (3,723 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Wow, Dave! You've done a great job with this - congratulations! Looking forward to the demo.

What year does the machine date from?


Post# 733521 , Reply# 13   2/7/2014 at 13:19 (3,723 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Nice!

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Sure beats the hell out of the shower curtain on mine.  LOL


Post# 733527 , Reply# 14   2/7/2014 at 13:48 (3,723 days old) by dosxxpapa (Oregon)        
Nice!

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Nice work, I love it!!!

Joe


Post# 735169 , Reply# 15   2/14/2014 at 08:40 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        
More pictures as promised

First off I had to move and lenghten some of the wires so they could be run down the side of the window this is what it looked like before

Post# 735170 , Reply# 16   2/14/2014 at 08:41 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Inside as you can see not too much to move!

Post# 735171 , Reply# 17   2/14/2014 at 08:44 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Here is everything I used: 2 pieces of lamanated safty glass, stainless hardware, a light fixture, a tube of ultra blue, and an on off switch (for the light) that I didn't end up using. Total cost about $80

Post# 735172 , Reply# 18   2/14/2014 at 08:47 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

I cut the side for the light first. Just traced the glass and made it a bit smaller. I chose to use and angle grinder then just filed the sharp edges.

Post# 735174 , Reply# 19   2/14/2014 at 08:50 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

No turning back now!

Post# 735175 , Reply# 20   2/14/2014 at 08:52 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Now the front door


Post# 735177 , Reply# 21   2/14/2014 at 08:54 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

I had to cut the notch so the glass would make a good seal due to a contour in the door, that's also why it off-center. I can fix all that with the trim

Post# 735178 , Reply# 22   2/14/2014 at 08:55 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Action Shot!!

Post# 735179 , Reply# 23   2/14/2014 at 08:56 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Front door Cover


Post# 735180 , Reply# 24   2/14/2014 at 08:58 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

2

Post# 735182 , Reply# 25   2/14/2014 at 08:59 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

This was my method for doing the trim, measure twice cut once! It worked well

Post# 735183 , Reply# 26   2/14/2014 at 09:01 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Its a piece of aluminum 1 1/2" angle and a 1" aluminum flat stock. This is what it looks like from the inside

Post# 735184 , Reply# 27   2/14/2014 at 09:01 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Here's the outide

Post# 735185 , Reply# 28   2/14/2014 at 09:02 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

I had to move the detergent dispenser to the side so I cut out the hole pattern to use as a template.

Post# 735186 , Reply# 29   2/14/2014 at 09:03 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Traced the holes

Post# 735187 , Reply# 30   2/14/2014 at 09:04 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

drilled them out


Post# 735188 , Reply# 31   2/14/2014 at 09:05 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Well this is a problem! The top rack hits what to do?

Post# 735189 , Reply# 32   2/14/2014 at 09:05 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Cut off the part I won't be using anyway!

Post# 735190 , Reply# 33   2/14/2014 at 09:06 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Rack not installed but it slides out just fine now.

Post# 735191 , Reply# 34   2/14/2014 at 09:09 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Then I took it all back apart and ran a bead of ultra blue around the windows and tightened up all the bolts.


Post# 735193 , Reply# 35   2/14/2014 at 09:11 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

This was the hardware I used. I bent the washer 1/4" so it would lay flat on the glass.

Post# 735195 , Reply# 36   2/14/2014 at 09:12 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Video coming soon!

Post# 735223 , Reply# 37   2/14/2014 at 12:38 (3,716 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Can't wait to see the video.



Post# 735233 , Reply# 38   2/14/2014 at 13:57 (3,716 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

Its a bit shakey Ill make another one of the a full WRWRD cycle soon! Enjoy

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Post# 735236 , Reply# 39   2/14/2014 at 14:35 (3,716 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Beautiful

Work...Robert I think you started something!!!

Post# 735237 , Reply# 40   2/14/2014 at 14:36 (3,716 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Next time I come to Atlanta,,

I would like to see that in person!Im getting a hunger for Mary Macs Tea Room!!

Post# 735240 , Reply# 41   2/14/2014 at 15:12 (3,716 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Picture Window

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Great job and great video

Post# 735248 , Reply# 42   2/14/2014 at 16:35 (3,716 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Started something is right! Great job, Dave, the roto-rack is a fun machine to do this with.

Post# 735277 , Reply# 43   2/14/2014 at 20:00 (3,716 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Cool Video

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I really like the cutting metal shot with sparks flying all around you!

 

 

Great job and thread!!

 


Post# 735283 , Reply# 44   2/14/2014 at 20:31 (3,716 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I can't tell you how impressed I am Dave. It's so much fun to be able to see the dishes being washed. Are you going to install this in your kitchen?

Post# 735311 , Reply# 45   2/14/2014 at 22:25 (3,716 days old) by xpanam (Palm Springs California )        

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Hi Dave! Thank you for all your hard work! I felt like I was back at Sears at South Coast Plaza in the 1970s! Take care Rob!

Post# 735338 , Reply# 46   2/15/2014 at 00:14 (3,716 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Excellent video and pictures-"How To Do it!"So thats what goes on behind those Roto-Rack doors!Had two of these machines-one in a townhouse,another in an apartment.The apartment one got replaced by a Hotpoint when they renovated-simple one-just a dial.For cutting the panels-have several "weapons" of choice-saber saw with metal blade,Sawzall with metal blade-or dual blade circular saw,cordless circular metal cutter saw.And yes-angle grinder with abrasive metal cutter blade.

Post# 736276 , Reply# 47   2/19/2014 at 07:52 (3,711 days old) by dpritz (Atlanta)        

It is going to be installed in our new / old kitchen (all vintage appliances) soon, the only missing piece we need is a refrigerator which has been harder to find than expexted.

Post# 736280 , Reply# 48   2/19/2014 at 07:58 (3,711 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Well done, Dave! The dishwasher looks great and your posts of the steps involved are great - thank you for sharing them and your video!!

Post# 737111 , Reply# 49   2/23/2014 at 07:33 (3,707 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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This looks AWESOME! Great work!

I kinda really wanna do this to one of my KD-58's. I just dunno if I could convince my self to cut the porcelain. My only thoughts were instead of remounting the dispensers, couldn't water from the constant rinse (in my case) be diverted with a valve into a bin like a washing machine so you could fill the soap sections, it would fill the bin and have that drain into the water fill gap or something as it is running?

Basically a rigged detergent dispensing system? All tied into the timer output for the dispenser release? A few relays and a microcontroller would make it simple, just have it sense the dispenser output voltage.

Anywho, this is an awesome project! Love the pics and video!


Post# 737159 , Reply# 50   2/23/2014 at 11:19 (3,707 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I'd like to see it with a full load of dishes, pots/pans, and glassware running.


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