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Alliance Laundry to Acquire Primus Group
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Post# 734503   2/11/2014 at 14:28 (3,698 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Malcolm


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Post# 734554 , Reply# 1   2/11/2014 at 18:30 (3,698 days old) by washman (o)        
Interesting

Primus Laundry Equipment Group is headquartered in Gullegem, Belgium with production facilities in Pribor, Czech Republic and Guangzhou, China;


I would read into this a source for low cost (read CHEAP) junk to compete with the junk on the market today.

In other words, Alliance is reaching down market. And that is not a good thing.


Post# 734561 , Reply# 2   2/11/2014 at 19:05 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If That Is Your Read, Then You Are Incorrect

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Primus is actually a TOL commercial laundry equipment producer with a long and well established history. That they have production in China and Eastern Europe is not a huge consequence in terms of "down market", but in reaction to the high labour and other costs associated with Western Europe. IIRC Miele and other commercial and domestic laundry appliance makers from Europe have production in various places outside of the west for similar reasons.

What is going on is the continuation of a long process of consolidation within the commercial/industrial laundry industry. This is happening on both the production and consumer side.

Quite simply the commercial laundry market is shrinking as more and more places that once did laundry in house, now send it to linen services. In turn for many markets more and more of that business is becoming consolidated between several ongoing concerns.

On the smaller side of the market you have growth in OPL market for places that once may have gone to Laundromats and or used a service but find it can be cheaper to do things in house.


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Post# 734570 , Reply# 3   2/11/2014 at 19:39 (3,698 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Agree with Launderess

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You hit the nail on the head with your explanation Launderess: Primus are well known throughout the world in the commercial laundry field.

I own a Skoda Octavia (who are owned by Volkswagen) which is built in the Czech Republic. I've had 6 years of faultless ownership, so i certainly wouldn't classify my car as 'junk' and 'downmarket'.

Maybe Ben you should do some research first before making throwaway comments such as these...

Leon


Post# 734571 , Reply# 4   2/11/2014 at 19:46 (3,698 days old) by washman (o)        
We shall see

Until then I will hold my breath and make no more comment.

Post# 734573 , Reply# 5   2/11/2014 at 19:48 (3,698 days old) by toploader1984 ()        
Alliance

It's getting heated in here, anybody have a fan? LoL

Post# 734589 , Reply# 6   2/11/2014 at 21:04 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
No fan,

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Would you settle for four fingers of Bourbon?

Just to show you the sort of person one is will offer the top shelf stuff!


Post# 734594 , Reply# 7   2/11/2014 at 21:08 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Down Market Goods

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Post# 734596 , Reply# 8   2/11/2014 at 21:11 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
On the Laundrette Side

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Yeah, this looks right down market to me:

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Post# 734601 , Reply# 9   2/11/2014 at 21:15 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Hmm, Chinese

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Must be suspect. I mean can you honestly trust a nation that has never taken to cutlery?

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Post# 734607 , Reply# 10   2/11/2014 at 21:26 (3,698 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Nothing looks quite as competent as an all stainless commercial machine like those, I'd take a smallish Primus soft mount washer/extractor with a 3Kw sump heater...

Perhaps Alliance acquired Primus to gain some european front loader sophistication (fingers crossed)


Post# 734610 , Reply# 11   2/11/2014 at 21:33 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
3Kw

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Is just about what the Miele ironer sold in the USA took or takes (2.4Kw to 2.8Kw give or take) so it is doable. *LOL*

Can you imagine all the fun that could be had with a washer equipped with such a powerful heater?


Post# 734612 , Reply# 12   2/11/2014 at 21:37 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
*Ahem*

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COMPANY PROFILE

Primus is one of the world’s major manufacturers of commercial laundry equipment. Since our

creation in 1911, we have built up nearly a century of expertise in developing a complete range

of washer-extractors, dryers and ironers.

We manufacture all our products under one roof in our state-of-the-art plant in the Czech Repub-

lic. We relocated the plant over 15 years ago in order to remain competitive in the world market

without compromising on quality. Because our plant is vertically integrated, we can control the

quality of our products throughout the entire production process.


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Post# 734617 , Reply# 13   2/11/2014 at 21:41 (3,698 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Where I'd install one is only a couple feet from my breaker panel in my unfinished basement. I have a couple unused slots and some extra 2 pole circuit breakers!

I was seriously considering a Huebsch softmount before John brought me one of those SpeedQueen FL's he got. I couldn't quite wrap my head around the $3500 price tag. But man how I wish I had the fully programmable controller so I could tailor my own cycles. Maybe one day I'll integrate an industrial PLC into the SQ.


Post# 734636 , Reply# 14   2/11/2014 at 22:36 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
You Got Two Grand Lying About Spare?

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Post# 734638 , Reply# 15   2/11/2014 at 22:43 (3,698 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If you can't swing Two G's

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Maybe one of these are up your street.

Note that purty European writing on the electrical plates right down to the numbers.


Post# 734678 , Reply# 16   2/12/2014 at 06:34 (3,697 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
It All Depends

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On which company you work for - If Primus then its a most uncertain move, if its Alliance then they just got a mega distribution deal!!

Washman - please be aware of holding your breath, you may be passed out for a very long time - and you need to update your microchip,
Primus has some of the best commercial washers that have been around for years. I am liking the latest FX ranges!!

Lets pray that Alliance dont devalue a world brand!!


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Post# 734691 , Reply# 17   2/12/2014 at 08:29 (3,697 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

NTGOT, It would be a good thing for for all manufacturers (USA) to have one 220-240v. Model. Housing starts are still in a slump. When the housing market does turn around. It might be time for America's homebuilders to bring our landry rooms up to standard. Would also make a great advertising campaign. Finally something really new! We might as well face it. HE technology is here to stay. Still have my LAT Maytag I plan to hold out as long as I can.

Post# 734712 , Reply# 18   2/12/2014 at 10:00 (3,697 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Well...

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The mind boggles at the possibilities this opens up. Alliance certainly seems to be expanding like crazy!

Malcolm


Post# 734717 , Reply# 19   2/12/2014 at 10:08 (3,697 days old) by washman (o)        
Seems that way malcom

"he mind boggles at the possibilities this opens up. Alliance certainly seems to be expanding like crazy! "

At some point I need to grab the 10K and read up to see if the increase is due to commercial installation or residential or a combination of both.


Post# 734793 , Reply# 20   2/12/2014 at 16:32 (3,697 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
220v-220v

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If Miele tried, and tried then subsequently gave up don't see anyone else trying to bring American laundry rooms "up to standard" with 220v washing machines. There is just not enough domestic demand for such a washer to warrant the bother from manufacturers.

Miele has their "Little Giant", but other than that the idea of self heating washers drawing 220v does not exist in the domestic American laundry arena. Customers just don't want to be bothered with the expense and so forth of installing such power where it does not exist. Yes, there are homes with 220v lines for dryers, but that is not nearly universal and IIRC in some markets (California) strongly discouraged.


Post# 734799 , Reply# 21   2/12/2014 at 17:35 (3,697 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
Embrace change

Now Launderess, that way of thinking is why "Hyacinth" is on a CORDED PHONE. :-)

Post# 734840 , Reply# 22   2/12/2014 at 20:15 (3,697 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
One Does Like To Keep The Mobile Phone Free

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For important calls!


Cannot stop here chatting; speaking of important telephone calls am waiting for one from Sheridan. He and his nice flat mate Tarquin are heading up to London for something to do with marriage equality. Hmmm, one has never found anything about marriage to be equal but long as Sheridan is keeping away from designing females suppose the trip will do him the world of good. Such a nice lad that Tarquin, he's won prizes for his embroidery!



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Post# 734844 , Reply# 23   2/12/2014 at 20:24 (3,697 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

LOL, Launderess you keep it fun around here. Arthur

Post# 734933 , Reply# 24   2/13/2014 at 09:23 (3,696 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Laundress

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You are such a Hoot.



Post# 734977 , Reply# 25   2/13/2014 at 13:18 (3,696 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Indeed, our Launderess is in possession of a razor-sharp wit.

Bonus Round: The first person to make the connection between 'My Name Is Mud' and this thread is our grand prize winner!


Post# 735007 , Reply# 26   2/13/2014 at 15:54 (3,696 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
In that note...

... I just understand prewash!
But for real: Why Primus? AFAIK they were well in the market?


Post# 735021 , Reply# 27   2/13/2014 at 16:58 (3,696 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"My Name Is Mud"

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Gosh, even *I* got that one!

*LOL*


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Post# 735022 , Reply# 28   2/13/2014 at 17:08 (3,696 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

:-)



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