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| Post# 735020 2/13/2014 at 16:58 (3,716 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
Something I never do is go into an appliance store and just purchase something... I think and think and think then I over analyze and think and think and .. just go around and around about it..
Today, I went against that.. Sorta.. I bought a Maytag MDB8959SBS... The lady I buy my appliances from knows me very well.. She said I'll hold one in a box for you and go think about it for a while... You can't return it... So, After talking to her a few times after leaving... What do you guys think of this model compared to the BOL KitchenAid machines they offer? What was drawing me to the Maytag besides the gorgeous stainless steel was the big Designed and Assembled in America sticker on every product in the store. KitchenAid, being a Whirlpool company as well as Maytag, is made in America correct? Why aren't they advertising that point? My biggest concerns... The KitchenAid hydrosweep vs the arm in the Maytag.. What will clean better? Where the machine is being installed, I don't care about DBA ratings etc.. I'll be lucky if it is installed permanently in the next 5 years.. Are the motors the same between the lines, Im going to presume they use the same racks etc, so what really are the differences? The way Maytag and Kitchenaid have their sites setup confuses the hell out of me when it comes to specs and options. I think they do it so you can't shop between brands like that. Help!? lol. | ||
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Post# 735023 , Reply# 1 2/13/2014 at 17:23 (3,716 days old) by Yogitunes  (New Jersey) |
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Post# 735047 , Reply# 3 2/13/2014 at 19:06 (3,716 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Looks like even the lowest priced KA looks like it now has a filter rather than a soft food chopper. Looks like Maytag s the only brand left that still doesn't have a filter that needs to be checked. The most intense cycle on the Maytag uses a whopping 12.7 gallons of water. I am curious what it does differently to allow it to use that much water. I think Combo52 has made a comment the 4-way hydrospeep 4-warm has pressure not as high because it's trying to distribute that small pumped water into 4 arms rather than 2. I think with this energy star pump, it's more of a gimmick and illusion harking back to what was a real KitchenAid than it actually delivers any worthwhile power over the Maytag.
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Post# 735073 , Reply# 5 2/13/2014 at 20:13 (3,716 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 735086 , Reply# 7 2/13/2014 at 21:18 (3,716 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
I understand the Kitchenaid is assembled here in the USA. The Maytag and Kitchenaid machines are different animals. The upper end Maytags use better racks than the BOL, but the Kitchenaid is a premium brand with the rack handles, and rack adjusters.
Maytag uses more water, up to 11 gallons in a wash depending on the cycle. Kitchenaid was the #1 rated machine last year when I bought. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Iheartmaytag's LINK | ||
| Post# 735089 , Reply# 8 2/13/2014 at 21:55 (3,716 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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My eyes got the better of me... The floor manager came up and said since I'm not mounting it into a cabinet when I first get it, if I run it a few times and don't like it I can exchange it for a KitchenAid..
I bought it, they loaded it in my Lincoln and away I went.. I texted a friend to see if he'd help me unload it but he was busy so I carried it into the house slid it down the stairs and unboxed it by my self. They gave me a u shaped bracket for the drain pipe since he knew I'd have it drain into a mop sink. They also gave me all the fittings he thought I'd need as well as a cord. The cord wasn't what I was wanting so I told him he could keep it, I took a 40' commercial vacuum cord home to use because I'm not going through my little circuit breaker issue again. I got it all wired and have the plumbing hooked up to the mop sink and ran a rinse only cycle. I have some stuff stacked on top of the tub so it won't tip over when the door is open and the trays are out and loaded. This thing, just sitting on the floor against the wall is super quiet.. like.. wow... So, it fills for a little while, then the pump kicks in and out a few times, then the pump kicks in and it fills the same amount of time filling the bottom of the tub completely... It stops and goes every so often like the manual says it would and then drains.. when it drains, the pump starts, stops, starts and I watch the drain hose fill and start to drain, then the pump either shuts off or slows down until an air bubble travels back down then the pump starts again. I dunno, but when it starts the cycle and starts and stops, at some points it sounds like its speeding up and putting more pressure out.. Is it trying to see if there is food in the water or something? The way it acts reminds of when my samsung front loader washer starts a cycle... The floor manager pointed me to the demo for Whirlpool that has the guy putting a cake and frozen pizza in the machine and said I should try that to see if this machine is what I want... I have a crock pot in the fridge with some dip that needs to go.. I'm half tempted to dump it in and see what the darn thing does.. You know.. for science.. The other thing that made me really want this machine is that they said that all three arms are used during the cycle at the same time. They don't start and stop to switch between upper and lower. drive.google.com/file/d/0B0M-lnl... drive.google.com/file/d/0B0M-lnl... | ||
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Post# 735092 , Reply# 9 2/13/2014 at 22:12 (3,716 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Also made in America: GE dishwashers. I like my PDT750, which has GE's new wash system. It is super-quiet (rated at 42 decibels to the Maytag's 50 decibels) and cleans like a champ. It does cost several hundred more than the Maytag you're purchasing.
In my world: The ultimate dishwasher would be my former LG combined with the quietness of the GE and the reliability of a Bosch or Whirlpool. The GE's racks aren't as beefy as the LG's, and there is no interior lighting (which I actually miss, believe it or not). The LG's racks glided silently, whereas the GE's make a cheap-sounding scrape as they travel the rails. The interior is a few inches smaller, too. These things aren't a deal-breaker by any means...but I do notice the difference. The GE has sensors (one on the tub; one on the floor) which, if triggered by leaks, will drain & shut off the machine while sounding an alarm. If the LG had that feature, my kitchen wouldn't have suffered damage to the subflooring. | ||
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Post# 735095 , Reply# 10 2/13/2014 at 22:28 (3,716 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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said all 3 arms are used at the same time | ||
| Post# 735139 , Reply# 11 2/14/2014 at 04:45 (3,716 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I started its Maiden load a little bit ago.. I had run a normal cycle with the affresh tablet that came with it to clean the tub and get rid of the just made smell.. I fell asleep while the normal cycle was running so here I started doing dishes at 2 am... :/
Anyways, I loaded up the baskets... I love how my odd shaped bowls fit in the upper rack... The tines bow out instead of being straight up and down so they catch the lips of the bowls and hold them.. I can put 5 big bowls down the middle.. My KDS58 couldn't hold a lot of bowls in the top rack. I started the cycle, I put it on Jet Clean plus steam, with HiTemp, SaniRinse, ToughScrub, Heated Dry and Steam Sanitize. I can only imagine how long the cycle takes, but I put some pretty gunked up stuff in there.. If the plastic comes out clean, I'll be sold.. I'm not worried about the ceramics or metals because of the steam... When you use steam and detergent, a lot can be accomplished on true materials... The plastics are what I'm concerned with. I listened for a while as the first cycle ran.. It starts and stops in 4's when you open the door.. Not sure what thats about.. Then it runs, then it drains a bit of water as it fills the same time. It does everything in 4's. It drained I'd say a quarter of the water each time to fill it while it was draining. After that it dumped all the water completely then filled for the wash cycle.. I had decided that it didn't look like things were going to explode or fall apart so I went back into my apartment and decided to write this. I LOVE how the top rack feels when it slides out. It is so graceful, even when loaded with lots of stainless cookware, ceramic bowls and heavy glass tumblers. I finally have stem racks for my martini glasses... I feel a hangover coming on soon! ;-) I just wished Maytag made a metal enclosure for this machine so I could have it stay freestanding.. This machine is not shy on using water at all.... ... I mean wow.. lol I watch that mop sink fill and drain and it looks like I'm running my KDS58. This machine, even not mounted is beautiful. I love stainless, and this has an expose stainless tub wrapped with a batting of some kind.. I'm tempted to unhook the batting and save it till it is installed.. The stainless sparkles on the outside but it is covered up with dynomat. I can't get over how quiet it is. It just sounds like a calm rain shower, and thats freestanding not mounted to anything. I'm going to check on finding that Ikea Dishwasher stand that was made at one point.. What scares me the most is the ease I had to let that much money go for this machine... I need to have my head examined ... These dollar amounts are becoming meaningless and that .. horrifies me. | ||
| Post# 735142 , Reply# 12 2/14/2014 at 05:14 (3,716 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I guess my photos didn't work earlier..
picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Gu... picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7z... | ||
| Post# 735143 , Reply# 13 2/14/2014 at 05:24 (3,716 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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Post# 735212 , Reply# 14 2/14/2014 at 11:17 (3,715 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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well it was a chocolate cake only, but this is the deal Kenmore had when I got my UltraWash in 1988....but the exclusion was this machine was FREE if it could not remove every speck of that cake....but then, why would you want a machine that could not clean?, even if for FREE!.....
I was up for the challenge, and can't count how many cakes I baked and frosted.....and gone every time.....dammit!....lol is it possible to find a portable and switch the cabinet over to the new one?...granted mine is a convertible, but underneath is the actual undercounter unit, I can take the top and side panels off, or leave them on for undercounter use....just a thought | ||
| Post# 735689 , Reply# 15 2/16/2014 at 17:49 (3,713 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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| Post# 735717 , Reply# 16 2/16/2014 at 19:58 (3,713 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I kept looking at pictures on reviews etc, and it dawned on me... This machine has the fittings that close either top or bottom depending what position the top rack is in...
Meaning... I can take the rack out and I won't have a flood of water shooting at the door.. So, I looked at the rack and I found that there are 4 press points and the rack releases.. No screws, no pins, just press here and presto... That means I can wash my tea jar, my buffet pans and my large cutting board!!! So excited! | ||
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Post# 735799 , Reply# 17 2/17/2014 at 08:03 (3,712 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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A removable upper rack is a great feature to have. It's one that you may not use all the time, but when you need to, it really is handy.
I have a huge 7-gallon Rubbermaid food storage container that gets used only a couple of times a year, and it's great to be able to remove the upper rack and toss it in the dishwasher, as it's far too large to be washed in the kitchen sink. The two previous dishwashers (a Maytag and an LG) had a removable upper rack. The new GE does not, unfortunately. Glad you're enjoying your shiny new Maytag! It's always fun to play with a new appliance. | ||
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Post# 735870 , Reply# 18 2/17/2014 at 14:38 (3,712 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Hydrosweep | ||
| Post# 737292 , Reply# 19 2/24/2014 at 02:24 (3,706 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I was using the Maytag today and.. zoned out a bit in front of the washer, cause I was texting someone... and .. happened to notice from the time I started the conversation to when the dishwasher drained, the first prewash cycle lasts 10 minutes and it is a full fill of water.
After it drained and filled again, I heard the door pop open for the detergent dispenser. I'm pretty impressed so far.. I had it on auto clean cycle with Hi-Temp wash, Heated Dry and Steam Sanitize set as my options. My favorite thing about this machine is how much water it uses.. I just kinda wished it had two wash dispensers for the detergent instead of doing just one long wash cycle.. The long prewash does make up for that sorta though. I really haven't found anything bad to say about it yet and I've been putting some really cruddy stuff in it.. I wonder with the soil sensing stuff, if it doesn't have some kind of trap in it or something with the grinder because I know when I put heavily soiled stuff in, it'll run for a bit on prewash then it will stop, spit out a bit of water that is pretty much solid debris and fill at the same time and it stops pumping water out at the exact moment there isn't visible debris.. When I don't have heavily soiled items in, it doesn't do that on the prewash. It's pretty cool.. Its like its backflushing its strainers as needed. I mean, it makes up for having several water changes because if there isn't a lot of debris in the water, why waste the water until the cycle change, but if there is debris in the water it flushes them out as needed and replaces the water at the same time. Sorry if I am rambling, have had the flu the past few days and I think my night time meds are ... kicking in :-D | ||
| Post# 737294 , Reply# 20 2/24/2014 at 02:33 (3,706 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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One thing I probably should mention.. If any of the new KitchenAids consume as much water as this Maytag, I think I would have gone with the KitchenAid...
Don't get me wrong I love the Maytag so far, but ... If the KitchenAid uses as much as this machine does, that means we'd almost be back to Hobart-esque machines... Could you imagine, The above pictured cleaning setup, the gluttonous water consumption that the Maytag has, adding steam and even the proscrub options to it? This truly would be a KitchenAid we've been waiting to replace the hobart machines with. I'll stick with my Maytag for a while, but heres hoping KitchenAid is going back to high water usage and food grinders :-) I did notice that I could do a quick cycle with heated dry and it was under 90 minutes and was over 10 gallons of water in consumption.. The glasses and stoneware came out clean.. I've yet to flick any debris off of anything. | ||
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Post# 737520 , Reply# 21 2/24/2014 at 22:47 (3,705 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 737543 , Reply# 22 2/25/2014 at 01:12 (3,705 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I have the MDB4709...
And I have to say that if you want anything that can compare to the Whirlpool PowerCleans, or the power of the old KitchenAids, this machine is perfect. I wanted a WP PowerClean so badly but they were discontinued, and I thank god I found this. As far as pump design and body style, it's identical to Whirlpool dishwashers before they switched to the "efficient" models. It uses the Point Voyager module, but with better improvements. The chopper is a 4-blade rather than two, and the lower washarm has slightly smaller holes than the Thunderbolt arm, though the holes are in the same location. The spray even follows the same "towards the middle" patter of the old PowerClean arms. I was skeptical, but I like that the holes are smaller because it packs more of a punch. Running a GoPro inside is like seeing an intense hurricane. And yes, all arms move simultaneously, none of this alternating arms junk.
What I love about this machine is that it's almost as though the engineers on the Maytag side are trying their best to hold on to the quality workmanship of older machines, while adding modern improvements. The first fill stops and starts so that the cavitation sensor can tell when no more air is being pulled in, so that it has the perfect amount of water. All the other fills are solid, I guess because it calibrates at the beginning of each cycle. Even with the washer/shower/etc going, it's never gasped for air. Also, during the prewash, it pauses a few times because there is a sensor on the right side of the sump. If the water is super dirty, it simultaneously drains and fills to pull the debris out without wasting water with a complete drain/refill. The action of the wash arm spraying down on the filter, and the drain pulling at the same time clears the filter chamber. Myself, I load the dishes filthy, only scraping. There may even be a stray noodle or green bean, or dried oatmeal. With the Normal cycle with no options, I've noticed it will either do a long main wash-purge-long rinse (just like the 2001-2010 PowerClean), or a prewash-main wash-rinse-rinse. I've yet to find a speck left over at the end of a wash. And when measuring the water coming from the drain, it normally uses 6-7 gallons, the same as the new "filtered resource savers" with heavily soiled dishes. All in all, I've had this machine since July 2013, and I couldn't be happier. The only thing I'd wish for is a door mounted silverware basket, but with Whirlpools new shortcomings, it's something I can deal with. Seriously, if you're in the market for a new dishwasher, or you have a new "glorified rinser" and want something you can actually put dirty dishes into, Maytag is as close as you'll get to a new machine with the qualities of the old school. I only hope they won't be taking the route of KitchenAid and Kenmore and all of Whirlpool's other children anytime soon. Thank goodness Maytag is being the rebellious step-child! | ||
| Post# 737698 , Reply# 24 2/25/2014 at 22:21 (3,704 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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I think to Whirlpool's credit
They are allowing each of their brands to maintain some of their own identity. Kitchenaid has retained, at least in some models, the hydrosweep lower spray arm. Maytag has kept the high/low upper rack that I liked in my Jetclean.
I don't think Whirlpool is stupid, if all the machines looked alike and had the same features; then why buy a premium brand Kitchenaid over a Roper? This also makes sense that if they have one model that some consumer mag says it sucks, they still have corporate brothers that are different enough to not suck. This post was last edited 02/25/2014 at 22:40 | ||
| Post# 738063 , Reply# 26 2/27/2014 at 14:11 (3,702 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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While Whirlpool owns each of these brands...
...they still are able to make some decisions on their own. Sort of the same way Motorola worked after Google bought them. Moto could still produce their own products, but Google had the rights to everything, and could govern and change what they wanted. While WP is the parent company, it seems the engineers of Maytag and KA still have some say in the design of their products. Maytag has to use Whirlpool equipment, but they've chosen to stay with the Point Voyager wash system, and instead make improvements on how the cycles behave. The cavitation sensing fill at the beginning, the simultaneous drain/fill to pull the debris from the filters without a total refill, and the purge between the wash and rinse are all ways that filling with a decent amount for each interval and running all arms at once can still be more efficient while maintaining great performance. This model and the new "eco" models use the same amount of water for a normal cycle, except that the Maytag has cleaner results, plus there is no messy filter to clean afterwards. KitchenAid is unfortunately using the filter/alternating washarms, but at least have (somewhat) brought back the HydroSweep arm. While I'm not holding my breath, I'm hoping people will see the difference, and Whirlpool will take the hint. It's just sad that Consumer Reports is biased enough to deliberately rate anything with the new systems and filters much higher than the ones that have worked so well for years.
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