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| Post# 737550 2/25/2014 at 06:07 (3,706 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Never saw this color before!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO norgeway's LINK on Chicago Craigslist | ||
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| Post# 737563 , Reply# 1 2/25/2014 at 10:04 (3,706 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
I suspect...
that these were "Antique Copper" finish that went bad and were professionally repainted... I have these same units in the Copper and also have the original sales brochures (copies of which are available here) and there is no listing for such a color. The Antique Copper finish was electroplated over steel and then given a light antique-looking streaking, which was subsequently coated with clear enamel. Unfortunately this did not hold up well over time. Our In-A-Wall oven in Antique Copper was brand new when we got it, having been stored in an Indiana basement for 57 years and never used, but the humidity caused the oven door to develop some splotches of darker color due to minor rusting of the steel beneath the finish. The rest of the oven still looks good except for a few small places. It just was not durable and often the Antique Copper finished ranges as well as separates look quite horrendous. The Copper electroplating can be redone, one person at the Chambers site has done so, but it's very expensive. To find clean original Copper finish Chambers is almost impossible. I'd wager in this case they opted for a repaint.
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| Post# 737566 , Reply# 2 2/25/2014 at 10:10 (3,706 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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went back and looked | ||
| Post# 737586 , Reply# 4 2/25/2014 at 13:26 (3,706 days old) by Davey7 (Chicago) | ||
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I wondered about the gas griddle in an electric cooktop too. That's a gorgeous set up (another kitchen that didn't need to be gutted - from the pictures anyway). | ||
| Post# 737590 , Reply# 5 2/25/2014 at 14:17 (3,706 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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Does seem odd...
but in any event the electric versions of these are far rarer than the gas versions. The oven has the same famous heavy iron bottom-plate heat sink, ground cast iron door seals, and super-insulation that the gas version does, and "Cooks with the Electricity Turned Off" is stenciled on the inner door, as we have an electric oven but gas cooktop, bought separately.
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Post# 737617 , Reply# 7 2/25/2014 at 18:18 (3,705 days old) by petek  (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 737738 , Reply# 8 2/26/2014 at 03:20 (3,705 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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And for the archive | ||
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Post# 737739 , Reply# 9 2/26/2014 at 03:21 (3,705 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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archive | ||
| Post# 737822 , Reply# 10 2/26/2014 at 11:36 (3,705 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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electric oven
has a recessed 3000 watt broiler element at top, 2000 watt element below. When baking the thermostat feeds 750 w @120v to the top element for more even heat distribution, while the bottom element is 240v. The oven bottom is rounded for easy cleaning. Automatic shutoff via elec clock and manual (spring loaded) bell timer also. The spring loaded mechanical door latch with the ground iron (no gasket) seals reduce heat leakage to a minimum. These were/are high quality ovens. Only drawback is the smallish size.
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| Post# 737824 , Reply# 11 2/26/2014 at 12:11 (3,705 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
I'd Like to Point Out....
....That the CL ad describes these as "porcelain." The ad also states:
"The finish is a beautiful cherry red and in amazing condition for being 50+ years old." It would seem that something unusual is going on here. Either the items have been painted, and the seller doesn't know what actually constitutes porcelain, or they've been porcelainized at some point. Whether that constitutes a factory variation we don't have documentation on, or a porcelainizing job done later, I couldn't say. The seller's representation that the finish is "50+ years old" may or may not be accurate. If the items are porcelainized, it would be interesting to know how they got that way. | ||
| Post# 737837 , Reply# 12 2/26/2014 at 13:49 (3,705 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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Sandy, according to my brochures
and experience in watching these over the years and on chamberstoves.net, they only ever came in SS or Antique Copper. The Chambers separates at that time were a bit of a luxury item and came only with the most expensive finishes. Most people don't know from porcelain, and I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that these 2 were merely painted, the AC is almost never to be found in good shape. They can be porcelainized of course, Custom Ceramics out in the mid-west does it for people like Jowers and those West coast places that do restorations, even down to complete color changes... they quoted me $300 to do just the top panel on my '58 40" GE, so it can be done, but not cheaply. I am dubious that is the case here, however, and my guess is that these are not the original owners and are just making assumptions.
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| Post# 737838 , Reply# 13 2/26/2014 at 13:58 (3,705 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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Oh and one more thing....
as they say... The Model C ranges of the era WERE available in red, and I've seen a fair number of them, as well as several pastel colors, however that red was nothing like this color, more of a real fire engine red, much brighter. So even in the event Chambers might have agreed to do a custom set in porcelain, which is not totally out of the range of possibility, it seems unlikely that they would have used a different shade of red than what was offered in their range model.
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| Post# 737839 , Reply# 14 2/26/2014 at 14:05 (3,705 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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Roger:
I don't disagree with you; my post was intended only to raise some questions based in the representations made by the seller in his CL ad.
There are very many people out there who haven't the slightest clue what "porcelain" actually is; in fact, their ignorance is what keeps a lot of bathtub-reglazing shysters in business spraying paint onto damaged porcelain and calling that a repair. It would take in-person inspection to get much further into finding out the truth, I should think. | ||
| Post# 737848 , Reply# 15 2/26/2014 at 15:27 (3,705 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Whatever!! They are...It sure is pretty!!! | ||
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Post# 737926 , Reply# 16 2/26/2014 at 20:01 (3,704 days old) by DaveAmKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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| Post# 738018 , Reply# 17 2/27/2014 at 10:41 (3,704 days old) by Davey7 (Chicago) | ||
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Did Chambers do custom colors? Lafayette is relatively close to Shelbyville so it's almost local too! | ||
| Post# 738022 , Reply# 18 2/27/2014 at 10:58 (3,704 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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agreed Sandy...
most people think porcelain's sort of like another type of paint, whereas it really is essentially like glass, and perhaps somewhat distantly related to powder coating as both fired in an oven similarly, but porcelain is much much harder... and more expensive.I think these owners are probably unaware or under a mistaken impression, but in any event, yes they sure ARE pretty.
Custom Ceramics charges something like $1500-2000 to do a Model C color change (all panels), but presumably one could do a porcelain job on a wall oven/cooktop for considerably less, especially since Chambers provides an option for complete in-wall installation of the oven, instead of having the exposed sides and top as pictured here, so only the face/door of the oven, and front of the cooktop box, would need to be re-done, I'd bet for well under $500. Something to consider... hmmm...the myriad color possibilities are intriguing! | ||
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