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"Studies in the LGeeee" aka, WILD TURBO PIX
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Post# 753691   4/29/2014 at 12:19 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Post# 753694 , Reply# 1   4/29/2014 at 12:26 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
CATALYST SPIN & SATURATE

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Post# 753695 , Reply# 2   4/29/2014 at 12:27 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
WASHING WAY UP HIGH

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Post# 753698 , Reply# 3   4/29/2014 at 12:31 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
SEE HOW HIGH UP THEY GO

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Post# 753699 , Reply# 4   4/29/2014 at 12:32 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
COOLDOWN ~ THEY RIDE LOWER WITH MORE WATER

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Post# 753701 , Reply# 5   4/29/2014 at 12:34 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
DRAIN

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Post# 753702 , Reply# 6   4/29/2014 at 12:35 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
RINSE ~ MUCH MORE WATER, LOW TUB RIDE

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Post# 753703 , Reply# 7   4/29/2014 at 12:37 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
SPIN

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Post# 753704 , Reply# 8   4/29/2014 at 12:41 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
FIRST SPRAY AT 600 RPMS

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Post# 753705 , Reply# 9   4/29/2014 at 12:43 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
SECOND SPRAY AT 1200

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THE PULSATOR'S LINT CHASER ON THE BACKGROUND PAGE CHOPPED OFF THE SPRAY VALVE --hate it when that happens;'D

Post# 753706 , Reply# 10   4/29/2014 at 12:53 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
OOPS !

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The cooldown and the rinse pix are the same; let me see how, where, and why I goofed and then I'll fix it.

Post# 753707 , Reply# 11   4/29/2014 at 12:58 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
TAKE DATT, COMRADE, FOR WARSHINK MIT DEE DOOR H'OPENT

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Post# 753710 , Reply# 12   4/29/2014 at 13:13 (1,513 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
YAY! THANK YOU, JESUS, AS MY AUNT ALICE ALWAYS SAID

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I found it ; you can see the spray from above, the current hitting the back of the tub--how I love it! This was at the end of the one minute cool down.

Post# 753804 , Reply# 13   4/30/2014 at 06:19 (1,512 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Great spray action on your LG, mickeys. Machines with recirculation systems are awesome!

Post# 753807 , Reply# 14   4/30/2014 at 06:48 (1,512 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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I agree Eugene...

Simply Awsome

Splash !

Wow Mike right in the face !

Lol.


Post# 753808 , Reply# 15   4/30/2014 at 06:50 (1,512 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
The pics are great

did you also post a video of an over suds and how the machine handled it or were you just talking about it, my mind is not serving me correctly.If you do have a video of it with over suds I'd like to see how it did handle the sudsing.
Tks


Post# 753840 , Reply# 16   4/30/2014 at 12:15 (1,512 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
HI GUYS

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Roscoe  ~

 

It was interesting to see; had used too much Persil Liquid Gold, and after the tub drained,  heavy suds were half way up the window. Remembered a short mention of automatic suds control--no details provided--in the terse, unsatisfying manual. So I watched, full of anticipation and wonder. The LG did a series of tumbles, spins,  and drains, and slowly but surely the suds dispersed; it took about maybe ten minutes. Surprised that no water was added. Basically,  the load whacked the suds back and forth and around compressing the suds into soapy water which the pump took away in stages as it cycled on and off intermittently.

 

You memory is perfect because I did mention this feature, suds elimination, but had not seen it, and hoped to film it, but this oversudsing episode was an accident. Thanks. My favorite shot is the last one which I almost lost. Hence, the Jesus! (smiling). 

 

Darren  ~

 

You really did the shot justice, making it much closer to the real thing. It's beautiful. Flying water currents are hard to capture. I need a slow speed camera to catch this stuff. Guess I'll add that to the bucket list.  Thank you.

 

Gene  ~  Only recently did I learn that the Frigi recirculates. How and where does your spray originate?  T'anks, Hank ;'D

 


Post# 753863 , Reply# 17   4/30/2014 at 13:37 (1,512 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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My LGs have recirculating spray but,one nozzle,not three or four. WM2277 and WM247 are the two of three models . The 8000s are a bit bigger and have the Turbo Wash. These all do a spectacular job in getting your clothes reap clean and well wrung out. The average drying time in the dryers is 24 minutes.

Post# 753876 , Reply# 18   4/30/2014 at 14:45 (1,512 days old) by richardlxixxx (Old Westbury, New York)        
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Hi Mickey,

The video and following photos are terrific and really show how this washer functions. I am shortly going to be in the market for a new washer and am seriously considering this washer. Are you satisfied with the way it washes your clothes? It is better than the LG without the turbo wash? Is there water in the bottom of the tub during the wash? Is it a deep rinse in conjunction with the spray rinse?

Sorry for all the questions. Inquiring minds want to know!

Have a great day and enjoy your new LG. By the way, that color is fabulous.

Richard


Post# 753934 , Reply# 19   4/30/2014 at 18:44 (1,511 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Richard ~

 

Very satisfied. The local dealer had the last Wild Cherry without Turbowash, and I passed on it. Part of the good cleaning in minimum water is achieved by the constant saturation which the Turbo jets provide. Don't get one without it.  Every cycle I've tried has at least one deep rinse and at least two sprays.  The options let you select 1, 2, or 3 more rinses beyond what the cycle provides. All the deep rinses use plentiful water that you can see up to the bottom of the window's big rubber seal. To get that much water in the wash cycle,  you have to select Bulky, Permaent Press, Delicate or Handwash. 

 

Thank you  for appreciating the work,  love the questions -- can't get enough! -- and seeing that you've just joined, I offer you  big, warm  welcome to Automatic Washer. Good luck on your purchase.  


Post# 753938 , Reply# 20   4/30/2014 at 18:55 (1,511 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Chuck ~

 

I was really surprised at the short drying time of 20 minutes on a big load of cleaning cloths. Even a Unimatic load takes longer to dry. This machine has two Turbo jets for recirc

at 5 and 7 o'clock,  and one yellow spray valve at Noon &Midnight which LG describes as an atomizer. 


Post# 753958 , Reply# 21   4/30/2014 at 20:46 (1,511 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Mickeyd-- The recirculation sprayer on my Frigidaire is at the top/ front of the drum and aims toward the back.

Post# 754320 , Reply# 22   5/1/2014 at 23:11 (1,510 days old) by johnmk ()        

I really love my LG WM3470, it has the recirculating jets and atomizer, just as yours does. I believe the feature might -- in the long-term -- become more common, as it seems like a great way to reduce water use and making the Department of Energy happy seems awfully important to these manufacturers.

Over time I've come to figure out how to get hot water washes, I just use the Allergiene cycle, which from my reading is simply a hot wash up to 131F/55C. By the way, you have it wrong somewhere (it might have been in the video of yours I watched). You said Hot was 130F, it certainly isn't. Hot to LG means a target of 104F/40C. This is true in Cotton/Normal, Bright Whites, Permanent Press, Towels, and I think Heavy Duty. Allergiene and Sanitary up that to 131F and maybe a little hotter for Sanitary (60C?) but I have no effective way of checking for certain since the door is locked once the temperature reaches anything above 104F/55C or somewhere around there anyway. I mention these temperatures as targets since that's all they are. LG are all too happy to miss the targets in Cotton/Normal, and sometimes too even in Bright Whites. I'm not certain of Permanent Press/Towels/Heavy duty yet since I haven't used those cycles enough. I have my washer connected to a current measuring device, so I know when the internal water heater is on, I can just glance over and if I see washer energy consumption in the 1000+ watt range, I know the internal heater's on.

I really wish I could figure out a reliable way to get Bright Whites to use the internal water heater. It seems like most of the time it'll engage, but not always. I haven't yet figured out what mixture of laundry weight and settings can guarantee it. For the moment, unless my whites have gotten dingy, I use Bright Whites + Turbo Wash + High Soil Level. This gives the sodium percarbonate the time it needs -- during the wash cycle -- to do its magical oxi work and thus I don't really have to use Allergiene that often, but I do occasionally just because I figure it's good for the washer to get a true hot hot wash now & then, and it's certainly whitening too.

I believe Cold and Warm will never use the internal hot water heater, no matter what. So warm, which is a target of 86F/30C, is quite rare in any part of the country outside of Florida. I often see a result of 70F during the wash cycle when Warm is selected, so I treat Warm as effectively Cold and just use it as my default temp for everything except whites. On occasion if the load is really large or Permanent Press or another water-rich cycle is selected I might see a warm that's in the lower 80's. I don't believe this temperature is at all injurious to dyes, so again, I treat Warm as a safe default for everything. Cotton/Normal w/ Turbo Wash ain't so bad as a default for small to medium-sized loads, kudos to LG. Still, I wish my washer had the equivalent of a manual transmission, as I like to control everything precisely.

Perhaps TMI but there ya go, I know you're into this stuff.


Post# 754321 , Reply# 23   5/1/2014 at 23:14 (1,510 days old) by johnmk ()        

I just wanted to add, since I can't edit, that Cotton/Normal will NEVER use the internal water heater. No mixture of settings I have ever tried results in Cotton/Normal activating it. Rank insubordination, when you want Hot you want at *least* 104F, but Hot Cotton/Normal means quite often a middling 85-90F unless the load is very large in which case enough water is drawn in increase that to maybe 95-100.

Post# 754324 , Reply# 24   5/1/2014 at 23:23 (1,510 days old) by johnmk ()        

Again, how I long for an edit button that didn't require a paid subscription.

One more addendum: I was washing a medium-sized load of whites using Bright Whites (+Turbo Wash and medium-soil level) a few months ago, and noticed that the consumption of energy during the wash agitation phase after filling was around 50-150 watts, so it wasn't using the internal heater. I felt this was curious, so I got out my infrared thermal measuring device and the wash water temperature was about 90F. I really can't give you any theories as to why that time, it chose NOT to use the internal water heater, as in what I think are pretty identical loads of laundry before that, it did engage and heat the water up to 104F. Disappointing. I've experimented with using Permanent Press + Hot + High Soil Level, and so far that seems to consistently engage the internal water heater. As does Bright Whites + Turbo Wash + High Soil Level. I'm kind of grasping at straws here, not sure if these settings are what's finally doing it. It might be that sometimes, this washer has a flexible logic that can't always be predicted.


Post# 754349 , Reply# 25   5/2/2014 at 03:45 (1,510 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
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Would using turbo wash = no heat cycle?

I realise machines this side of the pond are 95% cold fill with internal heating on all cycles but just curious if you tried the white/hot without turbo wash engaged?

Austin


Post# 754360 , Reply# 26   5/2/2014 at 06:42 (1,510 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
@mickeyd

Did you take out the orange caps,or flow restrictors, that were in the fill hose compartment.Some people do, some don't, I'm wondering if it would damage the machine over time by removing them or does it just let the machine fill faster.I took mine out thinking it was a part of the shipping equipment (lol) maybe I should put them back in place?


Post# 754384 , Reply# 27   5/2/2014 at 10:54 (1,510 days old) by johnmk ()        

Hi ozzie908,

I believe the non-TurboWash Bright Whites cycle performs far too many rinses for my taste, two or maybe three full deep rinses + spray rinses. That seems extravagant, time-consuming, and puts extra wear on the machinery as well. TurboWash generally reduces deep rinses by one, and in lieu of that spends more time spray rinsing. So i can't say for sure what the default Bright Whites cycle would do, as I would never use it. But Bright Whites + TurboWash usually engages the internal heater.


Post# 754387 , Reply# 28   5/2/2014 at 11:01 (1,510 days old) by johnmk ()        
Speed Wash

By the way, the Speed Wash cycle (~15 mins) defaults to Hot water, and does engage the internal water heater, every time. It doesn't get a chance to do much, however, as the wash portion of the Speed Wash cycle is only about 2 minutes, and according to my measurements the 1000 watt internal water heater is only capable of warming about 1 degree Fahrenheit per minute. Since Speed Wash defaults to the lowest Soil Level, you can give the internal water heater more time by increasing the wash portion by increasing the Soil Level setting. Increase it to the highest, and the Speed Wash cycle might take 25 minutes instead of 15, but that's 10-15F of added heat, too, applied where it counts.

I don't use Speed Wash, however, as it does a terrible job suppressing suds, and leaves much detergent in the clothes. You're supposed to use half the detergent for this cycle, which means the detergent can't do a particularly effective job at water softening, etc. Certainly you're not giving the enzymes a chance to do their work. The cycle has its place however, just on rare occasion.


Post# 754413 , Reply# 29   5/2/2014 at 12:47 (1,510 days old) by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

I loved looking at this series. I would like to see a similar one with a full load in the machine.

Post# 754430 , Reply# 30   5/2/2014 at 13:30 (1,510 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Interesting that I'm only seeing one deep rinse on the cycles I've tried. From what you say, it's because I use Turbowash exclusively. Didn't know that. Good to know, more fun to come experimenting. Thank you. But I don't think I could stand to watch without the Turbo Jets streaming ;'D

 

I love the Speedwash cycle ( 4 minute default wash time on mine)  and I use it all the time, firstly because I wash a lot of small loads frequently , and secondly because it's so familiar to me almost like vintage washing where the load takes about 30 minutes; it is never done in 15 real time--only in LG clock time--because the spin ritual adds about another ten minutes.  Thirdly, because you get all the signature LG drama compressed into a short sequence, and fourthly , the missing spin allows more retention of detergent fragrance which is important to me. The main drawback for the those with sensitive skin is that there is no spin between wash and rinse; and THAT is how they keep it speedy.  Aren't you  using HE detergent? When I accidentally over-sudsed, the LG removed them; it has a special protocol for this. Isn't yours working?  It was surprising and illuminating to watch. 

 

And no I wasn't wrong. My hot water is indeed 120-130 as mentioned in the vid because my cold water line is attached to the laundry sink's faucet facilitating any temperature I desire entering through the cold line; thus I don't have to fuss around to get hot water without heating.   I think you'd like the Sanitary cycle better than the Allergiene; it's shorter and doesn't  use that long initial  steam cycle which has set a few stains here that  Sanitary then removed.  You can upgrade for 12 dollars a year, a buck a month, or 3 &1/3 cents a day. I tried to go without upgrading for health reasons, and it was just too frustrating to do without editing. If you're strapped, the system allows any member to upgrade another member. Would you like me to do that for you? You've been so generous to me here.

 

Roscoe ~

 

I have really high water pressure here living on the lake. On some machines, I actually  have to adjust the valves toward closed because of all the force, especially the cold water valves on the Frigidaires.   The water pressure on the LG seems fine. The incoming water is forced through two "banks" atop the drawer opening. They look exactly like the bottoms of those square shower contraptions on bathtub hoses of old.  But loving natural water sports so much, you have me really interested in seeing what will happen to the water pressure if I remove the restrictors, assuming they're there. The machine was installed by the dealer techs, and I have only seen the tap end of the cold hose in which there was no restrictor, as expected.   I think you can see the incoming water in the open drawer in the vid, but I'm not sure.  Here's Big Wild Cherry's control panel.


Post# 754432 , Reply# 31   5/2/2014 at 13:32 (1,510 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Thanks Jerrod

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I have to wash the two couch quilts-- they both fit comfortably and get good and wet--and I'll snap a pic for you later today or tomorrow.


Post# 754456 , Reply# 32   5/2/2014 at 15:28 (1,510 days old) by johnmk ()        

Yes, please upgrade me!

You might very well be right on the 4-minute wash phase on Speed Wash, it's been a long-time since I've timed it. I doubt that my LG WM3470 and your washer are appreciably different in any way.

The temperature I was discussing was not the temperature of your hot water (mine is set to 135F), but rather what LG targets by mixing hot & cold water lines. In LG's universe, the temperature they're targeting inside the basket during wash is 104F/40C for Hot, 86F/30C for Warm, and I'm not sure what it is for cold but I would guess 20C/68F. Only Hot stands a good chance at reaching the target, provided the machine engages the internal water heater. And I think there's not much point in using Hot unless you increase Soil Level to give the internal heater time to do its work. Don't bother with this in Cotton/Normal of course, it doesn't bother with the internal water heater no matter what you do. Warm especially is likely to miss the target (I've seen 68F-84F), and I don't have enough testing to speak of Cold and its performance, though I think it'll mix in a little bit of hot water if it senses the cold water is very cold (I've read that somewhere). I assume cold water will vary greatly depending on the region of the country and time of year. Right now mine is around 55F, give or take, but in the worst of winter here near Seattle, 40-45F is possible, when mixed with the 60F laundry and mass of metal/air in the washer/room, that can result in a wash temperature of around 50-55F, if memory serves. Much too cold for me to believe that the detergent does much of anything, unless I use Tide Coldwater, whose scent I find abominably horrid.


Post# 754458 , Reply# 33   5/2/2014 at 15:38 (1,510 days old) by johnmk ()        

Allergiene usually goes about 90 minutes at least in LG's clock. You're suggesting Sanitary is appreciably shorter? I wonder if it -- very sanely -- skips with any cold water fill. Allergiene calls for a significant portion of cold water, mixes in some hot water (maybe 50/50? I could be off), and then only slowly heats that up to what I believe is 131F. I thought hot water right away was the most likely to set stains, that's what I've always thought. Maybe I'm wrong.

I want to find a way to measure these too-hot-to-open-door cycles, e.g. Allergiene & Sanitary.


Post# 754460 , Reply# 34   5/2/2014 at 15:45 (1,509 days old) by johnmk ()        

By the way, I ordered and installed this:

customer.honeywell.com/en-US/Pag...

I have it feeding my cold water inlet to my clothes washer, and it's set to 65F, which is outside of spec for the thermostatic mixing valve but appears to work. This helps to ensure that my cold water isn't bone-chillingly cold, and also warms up the hot water line so that when the washer finally calls for hot water, it's not drawing a gallon of room temperature water first. This is pretty wasteful of energy and I keep thinking about removing it, but the cost is minor with it set to 65F since it's usually only 10-20F over tap temperature, and it ensures that I don't get ice-cold fingers when taking out the clean clothes at the end of the cycle.


Post# 754463 , Reply# 35   5/2/2014 at 16:05 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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I remember reading about the temperatures. somewhere on line as as well -- unbelievably they're not in the manual -- and if memory serves,  Allergeine gets up to 131, while Sanitary  heats to 151. The thing about Allergiene, though is that it does all that default or automatically scheduled steaming before the clothing gets really wet. While admitting that it sounds totally counterintuitive, steam first rather than later hasn't worked out too well for me.  The manual is not only stingy with details but sometimes contradictory especially what it says regarding Allergeine  versus Sanitary.  More study needed with less bias and angst toward such a bad manual for such a fabulous machine.

 

 


Post# 754466 , Reply# 36   5/2/2014 at 16:10 (1,509 days old) by johnmk ()        

I just started a Sanitary cycle, and it does show an LG estimated time of 1:24 instead of about 1:30 for Allergiene. I'll give it a try. I like that it gives more options than Allergiene, i.e., I can adjust soil level. I bet I could even add a pre-wash, if I felt so-inclined, but I didn't try that.

Post# 754467 , Reply# 37   5/2/2014 at 16:17 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Notice that it also shows the temp level;  Aller. leaves it blank.

 

The star has just arrived next to you name. Have fun editing after posting. 

 

If you use Frigilux's recipe by adding LCB to this cycle, any dingy whites will startle when they come out of the drum. I tried it the other day, on some older stuff ~ WOW. 


Post# 754470 , Reply# 38   5/2/2014 at 16:31 (1,509 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
@mickeyd

Please let me know if you remove the restrictors, providing they are there, and if there is any change in the fill time or water level(s)
Tks


Post# 754472 , Reply# 39   5/2/2014 at 16:43 (1,509 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Mickeyd-- glad you've seen the amazing results of a Sanitize cycle coupled with a top-drawer detergent and liquid chlorine bleach! No pretreating, prewashing, or presoaking required.

Post# 754499 , Reply# 40   5/2/2014 at 17:43 (1,509 days old) by johnmk ()        

I did add LCD to the proper area in the inner-left area of the pull-out dispenser, and it seems like it dispensed most of it right away. I thought it was supposed to introduce the LCB into the rinse cycle?

Post# 754504 , Reply# 41   5/2/2014 at 18:04 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
The Down quilt on the bottom and the Softee on top

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No other machine in the house handles each of these well, let alone both.


Post# 754505 , Reply# 42   5/2/2014 at 18:06 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Ready to roll

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Well, actually, it's already rollin' door open Bulky.


Post# 754506 , Reply# 43   5/2/2014 at 18:08 (1,509 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Aha, so Steam comes on before the wash cycle? I thought Steam worked like Stain Treat on some of the older Duets, that is activating the heater during the main wash cycle.

Alex


Post# 754507 , Reply# 44   5/2/2014 at 18:09 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Darn ! Must shut door; quilts falling out; jets shooting

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Post# 754508 , Reply# 45   5/2/2014 at 18:11 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Shower head

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Post# 754509 , Reply# 46   5/2/2014 at 18:12 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Turbo Jet, left

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Post# 754510 , Reply# 47   5/2/2014 at 18:14 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Washing at full bore

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Post# 754511 , Reply# 48   5/2/2014 at 18:17 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Water up to and into--barely--the glass

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Bulky alternates sprays & tumbles. Here is a straight spray with no tumbling


Post# 754521 , Reply# 49   5/2/2014 at 18:30 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Spin & Spray, streaming down the looking glass

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Post# 754522 , Reply# 50   5/2/2014 at 18:32 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Rinsing like crazy

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Post# 754523 , Reply# 51   5/2/2014 at 18:38 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Clean, clear rinse water everywhere

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Post# 754525 , Reply# 52   5/2/2014 at 18:43 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Turbo jet, right, the gray clam lurking and shooting

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Post# 754527 , Reply# 53   5/2/2014 at 18:47 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Intermission for supper

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Playing the Rock Opera "Tommy," by the Who.


Post# 754541 , Reply# 54   5/2/2014 at 20:32 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
The fill port, ending in a wide elbow

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You can stick your finger into the surprisingly wide joint. If I had longer fingers, I could reach the honey comb. Will start looking for a long-fingered person.

 

See the twin shower heads above. 


Post# 754542 , Reply# 55   5/2/2014 at 20:33 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
1200 RMP Spin, Door Wide Open

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Post# 754544 , Reply# 56   5/2/2014 at 20:34 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
"Now, Clarice, this is interesting." Hannibal lector

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Up to the belly of the beast


Post# 754546 , Reply# 57   5/2/2014 at 20:37 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Ready to roll

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Post# 754554 , Reply# 58   5/2/2014 at 21:00 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Jerrod ~ Here ya go. Hope you like it, and thanks for the  inspiration. A lot of work and a lot of fun.

 

Eugene  ~ It works  like a chemistry experiment;  you never disappoint.

 

Logix  ~ Yeah, steam first, not good.  The steaming is separate from the water heating, but I don't have a handle on it yet. Stay tuned.

 

Johnny ~ You've got the tools, and I know how to get the temp. I discovered a secret cycle, unlisted anywhere. Found it playing the buttons in the flow state and using intuition: the DRAIN cycle. Turn the machine on, press the spin speed button till it reads NO SPIN, press start. The clock will read I minute. Tub drains & shuts off, fastest cycle in the world.  So use the sanitary cycle and come back after 30 minutes before the massive cool down. Stop machine and turn off to abort cycle. Turn machine on, and do the drain. Let the discharge get going; then get your equipment to find the truth in heating.

 

Johnny ~ NEVER put LCB in the rinse. Always in the wash, or in a separate pre-wash before the rinses. Bad for fabrics, bad for skin to keep the chlorine in. 

 

Notes: The Bulky Cycle  started  a second full deep rinse, but I aborted it, having used uber low-sudsing Persil Mega Pearls, and wanting scent. Used the Spin cycle at full speed. The Bulky spins at medium, 800. 

 

It took two loads in the dryer for LG's big washink ;'D




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Post# 754556 , Reply# 59   5/2/2014 at 21:06 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Roscoe ~ You KNOW I'll be looking for those restrictors if they're there. If so, out they go, and I'll let you know, but if you see the pic of the inlet above, the pressure is strong.  Intrigued.


Post# 754559 , Reply# 60   5/2/2014 at 21:11 (1,509 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I think there's a typo in your first reply to Johnny... ;-D

Post# 754561 , Reply# 61   5/2/2014 at 21:33 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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THANK GOD FOR EDIT. HOLY FECES. I LEFT SOME INADVERTENT FECAL MATTER.

 

Thank you Alexander the Great.  I get right on that crap NOW ;'D

 

So as not to tease and leave: For "Tub drains and shuts off," I first wrote "Tub drains and sh!ts off. 


Post# 754591 , Reply# 62   5/2/2014 at 22:25 (1,509 days old) by johnmk ()        

I add the LCB in the correct place, no problem there. It just seemed like it introduced it into the wash phase.

I'm not convinced these machines really do push "steam" through the clothes when using a steam-oriented cycle. I think it's just activating the internal water heater to bring the water up to a high temperature. That's my guess anyway.



Post# 754596 , Reply# 63   5/2/2014 at 22:37 (1,509 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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My guess as well. How is it really supposed to steam clothes anyway with no steam generator? Might work like on the FrigiLux washers that immerse just the heating element in some water and then steam clothes from below.

Alex


Post# 754601 , Reply# 64   5/2/2014 at 23:02 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
John, you wrote in Post # 41

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"I did add LCD to the proper area in the inner-left area of the pull-out dispenser, and it seems like it dispensed most of it right away. I thought it was supposed to introduce the LCB into the rinse cycle? "

 

 

I didn't mean that you put it in the wrong dispenser. What your wrote suggests you thought the machine added beach during the rinse; it doesn't ! Bleach always comes in during the wash cycle.  I thought this was common knowledge, and I'm trying to show you bleach IS SUPPOSED TO go in during the wash phase.  

 

Alex & John ~ I agree the stream seems like gimmickry, but the glass does get awfully hot,  and I'm sure we'll all figure it out.

 

By the way, a thank you or at least an acknowledgment for the upgrade would be nice. 


Post# 754608 , Reply# 65   5/2/2014 at 23:56 (1,509 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
The old bathtub shower hose head, close up

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The March of the Water Nymphs


Post# 754623 , Reply# 66   5/3/2014 at 01:30 (1,509 days old) by johnmk ()        

Thank you for the upgrade, very generous! :-) I'm sure we'll continue contributing to each other's progress in finding the ins & outs of these modern LG clothes washers.

Post# 754636 , Reply# 67   5/3/2014 at 05:21 (1,509 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)        
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Are technically supposed to introduce, Chlorine Bleach, sometime during the last 10 minutes of the wash cycle. But, one finds, if you're not careful, and use more than 1/2 cup, it dispenses in seconds. 

 

Honestly, I've found it easier, to just run another cycle, with Bleach as needed, than trust the dispenser. You really want the Detergent to have a go at the dirty laundry, before the bleach does. I think the Dispenser, was just simply poorly designed. 


Post# 754650 , Reply# 68   5/3/2014 at 07:31 (1,509 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Whirlpools dispense the bleach during the first rinse. Naturally, if there's only one deep rinse, the bleach has to be dispensed during the wash - like Mieles do.

So, what happens with steam selected? Does it fill some and then tumble while heating? You might want to try this once with an empty drum (and maybe even the door open Wink ) to see what exactly goes on.


Post# 754770 , Reply# 69   5/3/2014 at 18:13 (1,508 days old) by johnmk ()        

With regard to Allergiene, yes it fills and then tumbles, maybe slower than usual or maybe not, until it reaches the targeted temperature and then the turbojets activate and normal agitation ensues for however long the wash cycle is. That's my impression anyway. Other cycles with "steam" I can't comment on.

Post# 755031 , Reply# 70   5/5/2014 at 12:14 (1,507 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Hello Roscoe, I read the manual which is unusually forthcoming about the inlets, making much ado about the filters, and the warning not to remove them. Now this is about filters not flow restrictors, about which there is no mention, nor any pix of them in the diagram. No scanner here, so I can't show you. Hope to find a way later. 

 

John & Alex. Steam in progress; magic key in door lock, with door mostly closed by magnetized anti-mold device. I just opened the door, and the machine is full of steam, hard to perceive through the glass, but once the door is open, I got a nice facial. 


Post# 755034 , Reply# 71   5/5/2014 at 12:27 (1,507 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
The steam just keeps billowing out

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like a big boiling pot. Hard to see in pix but covincing in the flesh.  Streaming up across control dial,  over left panel scripts, up and over the dispenser drawer, ever upward.  


Post# 755077 , Reply# 72   5/5/2014 at 15:42 (1,507 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Nice! Smile

 

How much time does Steam add on? Where does the steam come from - underneath the drum? Was there water in the drum? This happens before the actual wash cycle?

 

Alex


Post# 755085 , Reply# 73   5/5/2014 at 16:13 (1,506 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
inlet filters

are to be removed for cleaning only,removing them may cause leaks and malfunctions is what the manual says. It also warns of an error message if there is weak water pressure in the detergent drawer or a clogged inlet filter. There is a filter on the other side of the inlet filter, so I can't reason why this machine requires two filters, unless the orange filter is the actual restrictor?

Post# 755091 , Reply# 74   5/5/2014 at 16:39 (1,506 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Nice!

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Truly enlightening: it really works. I thought it was "The Emperor's New Clothes!"  The whole house smelled like Persil because after I left the door open, the steam just kept pumping out. It was amazing.

 

The steam breathes forth from the top--I THINK--more study required. 

 

Just the usual low level of about 2 & 1/2 gallons--but that was without anything in the drum to absorb any water. Guessing that a load would have been wet but not sloshing. 

 

The Allergeine cycle time was 136. Don't know about the Steam buzzer pressed for other cycles; haven't tried.

 

Hey, Thanks, there's a lot here to learn. Now I'm really interested where before I was a doubting Thomas.

 

 

 


Post# 755092 , Reply# 75   5/5/2014 at 16:48 (1,506 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Laughing

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Hey Alex, the next time I have people over who have terrible gas and flatulence, I'll run down and do a door open Allergieeeeeeeeene!


Post# 755093 , Reply# 76   5/5/2014 at 16:50 (1,506 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Real steam! My Frigidaire simply heats the water and tumbles for an extra 20 minutes. Granted, this helps remove stains, but not because of steam, per se. It's the extra 20 minutes of tumble time that does the trick. Oh, and the 'steam' occurs during the 1st rinse, not the wash cycle on my washer.

Thanks for the photos and further investigations into the LG's many features, mickeyd.


Post# 755303 , Reply# 77   5/6/2014 at 16:47 (1,505 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Real Steam, Eugene. Imagine!!!

 

Last night I tried the Cold Wash, a cycle the booklet claims uses six motions: Tumbling, Rolling, Stepping, Scrubbing, Swing, and Filtration. Guessing that the rather violent back  & forth agitator like swings of the tub describe the "Scrubbing" motion, but then what is "Swing" ?  This was the first viewing. When I tried it before on another cycle none of this happened; the cycle must have been too short. For this  Cold Wash experience, I used Cottons/Normal.  Fun to watch. Definately movie worthy.

 

Wish I could pipeline you some steam.


Post# 755338 , Reply# 78   5/6/2014 at 20:17 (1,505 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
found five of the six motion. Filtration is missing and is s

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Found five of the six motion. Filtration is missing and is the combined spin/spray to saturate the clothes with detergent solution.


















Post# 755357 , Reply# 79   5/6/2014 at 22:40 (1,505 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
These illuminating vids are

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Perfect, and the only reason this model can't show filtration is because it lacks the Turbo Jets.

 

Learning Curve:

 

So the rolling is slower tumbling. When I've seen this -- which I now recognize in hindsight -- thought I was just getting tired or that the light or the load was creating an optical illusion.  The door was closed during the times of witnessing rolling.  

 

And swing is simply slower scrubbing. Thanks !

 

So glad you found these and posted them, Alex. Many Thanks.

 

Watching scrubbing with water in the tub is impressive, dramatic, and memorable. With a direct drive motor, these moves are possible; just imagine trying to pull this off with belts and pulleys !

Wonder what the engineers will do to enhance direct drive moves is the years to come.

 

 




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Post# 755496 , Reply# 80   5/7/2014 at 15:46 (1,504 days old) by johnmk ()        

I wonder if the ColdWash cycle is too hard on fabric and wear & tear on the machine? This might be excessive conservatism but I avoid it, though must admit it really is cool to watch the few times I've tried it myself.

I do have an extended warranty on mine so I might as well use it but I still can't help but be cautious, it's in my nature.


Post# 755538 , Reply# 81   5/7/2014 at 18:09 (1,504 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Wondered the same things too. but for blue  jeans and trail biking clothes, and rags, I'm going to use this thrashing Cold Wash Option. Seeing it once I was convinced.

Cheating though because the water entering through  the cold line will be HOT. That arrangement should really give the  this machine a vintage top loading-like edge. 


Post# 756936 , Reply# 82   5/14/2014 at 13:30 (1,498 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Rinse Lovers & Super Wash on the LG

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Just found out that the Speed Wash cycle does not spin between extra rinses, either, just as it does not spin between the wash and single rinse on the preset cycle.   In this regard, it works just like the GE Combo which rinses three times and then spins for the first and only time. (Other  LG cycles do.)

 

So I found a new favorite  cycle, kind of like a Super Wash. Select Speed Wash + one extra rinse. You get the selected wash time --I used Heavy Soil-- the gallon cool down, the quick drain which stops immediately when the pump senses a decrease in pressure, a refill, rinse, drain, refill rinse, spin. Fast & furious. Good for higher sudsers like Persil Liquid and when you want lots of washing, and no load sensing or long spin distributions. 

 

John, when you next do a wash would you see if the Speed Wash keeps the heat on when selecting max wash time, and when your meter says the power throttles back.  From you I eared that the Speed Wash heats.  Although I had a dim awareness that the load coming out was usually warm, I thought it was because I was rigging the incoming cold line.  And since it is a coil, and the fine fill begins at once, maybe it is heating the rinse water, if only partially and residually.  So, see when the heat goes on and off during Speed. Thanks.


Post# 756994 , Reply# 83   5/14/2014 at 19:08 (1,497 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Saw a video on YT where someone pressed Delay and Spin Speed and the washer displayed the drum speed. Does that work on yours as well?

Fast-forward to 12:12. By the way, the Atomising Rinse seems weak on this one. Low water presssure?





Post# 757034 , Reply# 84   5/14/2014 at 22:27 (1,497 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Hey Alex, Hello!

 

Well it'll sure be great  fun to try especially since the other day when I selected medium speed it looked to be going like a banshee at 1200 and I thought good Lord does this only spin at one speed, a million miles an hour. Thanks for the tip so I can find out.

 

In that video, either the sound was perfection or that's one big a$$ machine, The Titanium,  with a bigger,  louder pump and louder percussives everywhere due to the size. Easy to recognize,  that's the big 5.2 cubic feet LG which the lady at Best Buy tried to sell me the day I went looking for Big Red which turned out to be  unavailable. She was so funny explaining that  she had the 3.5 machine but not in cherry red and that she was saving up money so that she could buy this great big giant beast because it can wash 77 towels or something. Hyperbole, mine. It would be fun to have if you're washing for an army but I had no  desire to get that great big beast. Yet, seeing it perform live.........

 

Alex,  you know what I think they've done with the spray on this bigger machine?  I think they've narrowed the flume so that the spray is not as expansive but it's more focused, narrowed, and maybe even stronger due to the nearly 2/5's increase in tub size.  In person the Titanium tub is cavernous.

 

 


Post# 757157 , Reply# 85   5/15/2014 at 11:20 (1,497 days old) by johnmk ()        

Hi Mickey (I hope you don't mind me calling you that?),

I believe the internal heater goes off the moment it starts draining the Wash water. Quite sure I've actually observed that during Speed Wash, and it's also true of ever other cycle. There is no warm rinse in these machines unless tinkered with as you and I have done in different ways. So at the default soil level, that's ~4 minutes of heat, or perhaps an increase in water temperature of 4-6 degrees F. Not really enough time to reach the soft target of 104F but it seems to get it into the lower 90's F. Increasing soil level allows the water heater more time to operate, potentially actually reaching 104F I suppose. I have actually observed that behavior, but don't recall if I measured the temperature, but yes current flow was 1050+ watts for all of the wash phase till it started draining.

It's for the reason you identified above that I don't like using Speed Wash. I'd rather not have much detergent left in the clothing, and the lazy Speed Wash rinse just don't have the time to do an efficacious rinse. Not to mention the high-agitation of the Wash phase is very pro-sudsing, and that sea foam persists well into the rinse cycle. I've had similar thoughts to you by the way, and performed it several times: load up on extra (deep) rinses, just a couple minutes each, and damn the water usage. It just seems extravagantly wasteful to me so I can't stomach it. Cotton/Normal or PP is just so much better at rinsing, and doesn't take that much longer (+15-20 minutes or so). But to each his own.

If you like scent, why not just try finding a liquid fabric softener you like? I find adding about half the recommended amount of Gain liquid fabric softener imparts a pleasant aroma that lasts for quite a while. I use Ultra Tide HE Original Scent powder from Costco and it's only weakly scented. Such a pity, as it's the most pleasant detergent fragrance IMO. Too bad there's no fabric softener counterpart to P&G Tide Original Scent.


Post# 757159 , Reply# 86   5/15/2014 at 12:19 (1,497 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Not at all.

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That was my aunt Lenore's name who indulged my love for washing machines by letting me do the laundry with her in a vintage Easy spin.  Honored to have her name as my Aworg handle.

 

When you select Heavy Soil on Speed Wash, the cycle time increases from 15 to 25.  See if you can gauge the temp after what should be approximately 14 minutes of heating, when you think of it or is convenient.

 

Yesterday was the first time I added one extra rinse** with Speed Wash, and I witnessed a most welcome surprise. After the drain, there was a  nice long  spray rinse while the machine TUMBLED. Always like that classic maneuver in front loaders, but it seems to have disappeared in the contemporary washers.  All other spray rinses on this LG have occur during spin. It was very interesting and satisfying to watch it spray while tumbling. Then the drama increased. As soon as the spray stopped, the jets went on and the fill began. So many different water sounds with the tumbling starting and stopping. Total Washer Heaven.

 

I did another load using this custom made Super Wash, and it did the same thing.  Mindful of water waste  -- you're reading my mind ;'D --  after the LG did its new trick, I aborted the second rinse, and selected spin which gives the default cotton version of 18 minutes, at least 10 of which fly at 1200 RPM's; the load was really, really dry. This  Red Lady is full of surprises. I wonder what will come next.

 

Thank you, John

 

** (Using Persil Pearls, there is little-to-no sudsing.) 


Post# 757163 , Reply# 87   5/15/2014 at 12:45 (1,497 days old) by johnmk ()        

I'll try that presently, Mickey. Just about to do a smallish load of colors -- I'll add an extra rinse and wash at peak soil level.

Post# 757208 , Reply# 88   5/15/2014 at 17:55 (1,496 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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I agree about the wonderful scent of Tide HE Original. It was my go to detergent for everything except whites for which I used Tide's Bleach version, until I discovered Persil.  Don't  know how long this Persil infatuation will last or if it is permanent. Yes, it would be wonderful if Tide made softener in their original scent. 

 

Somewhere in a lab way back in a forgotten cupboard is the long lost vial of Original Gain Powder Perfume. When they find that first scent from long ago, I'll come running. 

 

Thanks for the wash water temp check. Guessing 110.


Post# 757214 , Reply# 89   5/15/2014 at 18:50 (1,496 days old) by johnmk ()        

Speed Wash(Hot) / Heavy Soil / Turbo Wash.

Internal heater stopped heating right at the moment the drain pump engaged -- temperature at that time was 98 Fahrenheit. At no other point have I ever seen the internal heater kick in, so only wash, never rinse cycles. I forgot to measure the initial fill of warm water (as you know, even though Hot was selected as temp, LGs still fill with only luke-warmish water), so based upon previous experience I'd estimate the fill temp to be right around 86-90F. I'm definitely seeing the atomizer engaging at the end of the wash cycle, perhaps as a suds suppresor?, and during the spinning/water-extraction phase to aid in rinsing. By the way, I always use the Turbo Wash option when I use Speed Wash. Not sure if you're doing that or not. It's not default, not sure why not.


Post# 757298 , Reply# 90   5/15/2014 at 22:14 (1,496 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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An optimist here, and knowing that the heater would stop at the end of the wash, I was thinking more along the lines of residuals. The coil would need to cool and would probably not cool during the one minute drain before the subsequent rinse fill, and that therefore some "residual" heating of the rinse water would occur during Speed Wash which would be improbable in other cycles because of the 8 or so minute distribution before the spin. Little chance of any heat remaining in the coil, then.

I love this. Thank You.

On mine, the Turbo is preset with Speed Wash. Later model, maybe? UNLESS, I accidentally programmed it early on, working the buttons. Interesting.

Even though my cold line can be set to hot, with only two gallons coming in on most wash cycles, and no way to pre-purge the lines, it is still hard to get tank hot water, but here's a trick:

Let the machine do its cold/ hot alternation protocol, then drain the tub, and you should get tank hot water if you can adapt your cold line or turn it off.

Tried get a pic of the tumble spray, but the door would not open for me to insert the magic key; hence the glare and streaming. Next time.


Post# 757323 , Reply# 91   5/16/2014 at 06:11 (1,496 days old) by johnmk ()        

We see how gradual (borderline ineffective) the internal water heater is, at 1000 watts. Any residual heat in the coil is massively overwhelmed by the fact that any 120v clothes washer internal heater is next to useless as is: 1 degree F per minute that it's on. And that's while it's ON! I see what you're saying tho. It would be hard to test I think given that some heat remains in the material of the washer/clothes/non-drained water so who knows where the inertia come from. The times where I've tested the temperature of the rinse phase after an internal-heater assisted Bright Whites cycle have shown rinse temps in the range of 70-75F, which is about 10 degrees higher than my tap water temperature right now. Haven't ever done that for Speed Wash. Do you have an infrared thermometer?

Post# 757326 , Reply# 92   5/16/2014 at 06:16 (1,496 days old) by johnmk ()        

1000 watts . . . that's the same power as the internal water heater in my Keurig coffee maker. And that takes a couple minutes to reach boiling, heating just a smidgen of water.

How I envy Europeans with their 240v utopia!


Post# 757334 , Reply# 93   5/16/2014 at 06:42 (1,496 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
wow Mikey

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that looks like a water-rich machine for sure! How long does the spray keep up? Whole cycle, part of cycle, beginning of cycle?

 


Post# 757374 , Reply# 94   5/16/2014 at 10:02 (1,496 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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No need to get overly excited about the 240V heater. While these put out +/- 2000 watts, heating still takes its time. The manual of my Duet says, it'll wash 13 lbs. on the Mixed Items (Normal) cycle at 104F. Well, no. If I really put that much clothes in there, the heater won't get the water up to temp during to 25-minute main wash cycle. Once the timer displays 30 minutes remaining, the heater will click off and the drain pump comes on. :( It wasn't a problem when I still had the washer connected to hot and cold, as the ATC is set to achieve 104F in the tub during the fill stage. The only way to avoid it is to select another cycle (no soil level selection on Mixed Items), load less clothes in there or dump hot water in the washer once the load-sensing is done.

I wish I had one of these V-Zug washers. 3500 watts heating power... just like in the good ol' days.

I'm still thinking that there must be a way to get the LG to display the current tub temp. Just keep on pressing them buttoms! :D


Post# 757377 , Reply# 95   5/16/2014 at 10:23 (1,496 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
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Rarely use the Bright Whites. Not surprised that you've found the rinse water to be ten degrees higher than tap cold even after the high speed spin after the wash. Residuals are interesting and subtle, coming to my attention when I moved into this house with baseboard hot  water heating.  It's been a constant source of fascination, even with barely a candle heating the LG's meager two gallons of wash water on the regular cycles. When I use Sanitary for white loads, the draining wash water is scalding hot, so that little bugger takes its time, but in the end does the job. Sanitary is about an hour and a half, heating for maybe 60 minutes--guessing.  Try sanitary for really hot water. No thermometer here.   Should I call you John? No name given in profile 

 

Jon, the spray is just under a minute--have gotten to the count of 50, using the one thousand, two thousand, three thousand method. (Must get timer and thermometer)

 

Two sprays in final spin. When they come depends on cycle. On Speed Wash, they enter at minute 5 & 3, remaining. More sprays occur depending on the cycle and the extra rinses selected. The LG computer truly has a mind of its own and seems to do any damn thing it pleases, lol.

 

You've got to get one of these, Jon. You'd have a ball. And with all your meters and equipment, you could do definitive water use studies.  Haven't written it out yet, but my thesis was that LG has copied every favorite and well-known maneuver from all the vintage washing machines we know and love. Someone at LG has spent a lot of time in the Imperial Archives of Aworg.


Post# 757381 , Reply# 96   5/16/2014 at 10:35 (1,496 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Alex & Jon

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Jon Charles ~

 

Here's a link to the movie Dennis & I made showing the water richness.

 

Alex ~

 

I haven't tried the buttons yet,  and I would also love a "real" heater to do a classic European Boil Wash, but this teeny LG "buffet warmer"  is very satisfying for someone who has had NO heater ever before. 



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Post# 757488 , Reply# 97   5/16/2014 at 15:47 (1,495 days old) by johnmk ()        

These washing machines are very water efficient. Just enough water to fully saturate the clothing and give the detergent something to dissolve into. IMO, the default water levels are not too much, not too little. Goldilocks.

Post# 757560 , Reply# 98   5/16/2014 at 20:25 (1,495 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
A Paradigm Shift heralded by Frigilux.

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 The whole hope and effort is to launder the load in as little water as possible. First for conservation of a diminishing natural resource ( see HBO's  "Vice" piece on Texas Drought or the PBS  "Nature"  edition about Beavers -- both currently available), and second to get the laundry clean. With minimal water the laundry rises all the way to the top and falls with the full weight and force of a wet towel -- not possible in a  vintage amount of water.  It works, especially with the constant saturation by the turbojets. There is nothing new about this method when you understand it as a refinement of rock pounding and washboard washing used for centuries. 

 

The rinse uses twice as much for dilution, etc., and since the load is clean,  the heavy falling and thrashing is no longer necessary which cannot happen anyway in the high volume of water used for rinsing.   

 

It takes some getting used to, especially for a dyed-in-the-wool TL Codger like myself.  But seeing is believing, and I am convinced. The clothes are clean, washed effectively in just over two gallons of water. To put it into perspective, my 18 pound Norge took almost two gallons just to fill the lower regions before you could see any water at all in the tub, and then another 18 gallons to wash, which it did marvelously just like the LG does.


Post# 757572 , Reply# 99   5/16/2014 at 21:16 (1,495 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
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Nice video ! Very Pro I think. that is a pretty machine. All that jiggling in the beginning is the washer trying to sense the weight of the clothes to determine how much water to fill. The motor has a torque sensor that tells it how much weight is in the tub.

 

I am amazed that you are able to change cycle elements on the fly like that, even in my Speed Queen once it starts there is no changing unless you Z out the whole cycle and start over. That kind of flexibility is a real plus.

Love the Cherry color!!

 


Post# 757596 , Reply# 100   5/17/2014 at 00:31 (1,495 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Thanks John. Yeah,  you can play those buttons & keys  & blinking dial like an organ.   I so hope you'll get one.  The Wild Cherry will one day be as sought after as your  Charcoal .

 More on the water later.  Lots to tell.  "On the  fly"  to LA at noon. Washing and packing and securing the premises like a squirrel. 

 

Memory trigger: Jon is right: what happened when I added a towel late in the cycle, and then just a T-shirt. 


Post# 758268 , Reply# 101   5/20/2014 at 02:55 (1,492 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

MickeyD,   Thank You! for the pictures and additional info about the "turbo" system.  Safe travel while on your trip. Also Loggix Thank You for explaining all the different tumble patterns.  Arthur


Post# 783154 , Reply# 102   9/12/2014 at 03:48 (1,377 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Michael,

How are things with this washer? Your pics and vids are making this gorgeous machine seem appealing and almost necessary!

I was looking at a used Neptune 7500 set that fell through, and have seemed to acquire a speed queen front load set that needs some work and am desperate to get rid of my samsung wf210anw washer...

I guess I shouldn't say that, I have been fiddling with it more and more and am getting it to clean better as I keep adjusting water levels and temperatures... The damn thing doesn't use hot water when you put it on a hot cycle. When the unit was new, it barely spit on the clothes and the paddles on the drum don't seem to pull the clothes as much as they should... But what can I say when the set cost what the Cherry LG washer costs alone.

Anywho, I found one for around 600 with free shipping and was thinking of picking it up...

I just had a few questions I wanted to go over, a lot of them have been answered by this thread but curiosity still leads the mind to wander. I thought I'd better start by making sure you still enjoy the machine first.

I hope all is well!


Post# 786674 , Reply# 103   10/1/2014 at 08:40 (1,358 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Micky I am glad to see your posts.... Now how bout some deck pictures as fall progresses.  I enjoy your shots from your deck, It is how I kwnow fall is coming.... I hope you are well. arthur


Post# 986222 , Reply# 104   3/11/2018 at 22:17 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
kenmore elite with accela-wash

I have a Kenmore Elite washer with the Accela-wash feature which is the cousin to the lg with the turbo-wash. It does the same things you've described. Mine doesn't have the steam, but it does have the auto soak feature. I use the normal/casual and whites cycles all with accela-wash. When I wash whites, I use accela-wash, auto soak, and 2 extra rinses. I use the usual tide, downy, and Clorox. Very nice set.




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