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Post# 758982   5/22/2014 at 19:29 (3,623 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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What do u guys think of this, on one hand i think its a brilliant idea, on the other, the machine isnt much to look at



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Post# 758991 , Reply# 1   5/22/2014 at 20:26 (3,623 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Ok..... As I've said before, I know my brain is wired differently from those of most people. That said, I don't get how this makes my life easier or smoother. In my corner of the universe the wash cycle I choose depends on the fabric composition, colour (and history of colourfastness), the type of dirt/stain on the clothes, the degree to which said dirt/stain has been ground in, etc.

The labels I saw mean nothing. "Sports wear" and "Everyday wear" tell me nothing. Or, am I supposed to spend *MY* time and energy figuring out how to program what those cycles might consist of?

"Reduce cognitive load"??? How, praytell, is that programming a lighter cognitive load than simply turning a dial to pushing buttons to get what I already know I want.

I mean.....seriously....why?

Jim


Post# 758999 , Reply# 2   5/22/2014 at 21:10 (3,623 days old) by washman (o)        
Are they serious?

"Another example of Cloudwash’s simplicity is its washing presets. By giving people one-touch access to wash programs they use most frequently, the machine significantly reduces the cognitive load of starting a new, um, load. It does away with the need to do the mental computation on “hot,” “warm,” “cold,” or “permanent press” every time you dump clothes in. As Schulze puts it, “It’s the machine learning to speak in the language of people rather than people learning to speak in the language of machines.”"

"mental computation"? Really? Are we that effing dumb or too stupid to manage our time that we cannot figure out the difference between HOT WARM and COLD?

Yeeeesh. This is a crock and another example of imagination run amok. Big time. Sorry, but if you are that mentally challenged that you cannot figure out how to do basic household duties and find it too stressful to turn a knob, I suggest you sell everything and move into a long term care facility.

I'll pass.


Post# 759033 , Reply# 3   5/23/2014 at 00:46 (3,623 days old) by washer111 ()        
Ummmm...

With all the security risks these days, whats to stop the government meddling with how you wash your clothes from the internet, or "reports" you to the Eco-Nazi-Police?

 

And whats to stop some scrupulous folk exploiting the software on these washers and causing some sort of house flood or catastrophic failure of the washer? We'd be locked into software-updates and "paying for security" like we have with Windows and Mac operating systems.

 

I don't like the sounds of this.


Post# 759034 , Reply# 4   5/23/2014 at 00:49 (3,623 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Think I will keep my appliances disconnected from the "cloud".

Post# 759037 , Reply# 5   5/23/2014 at 02:07 (3,623 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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It's inevitable that appliances will be controlled via the internet. Kids two generations younger than me are born into a world controlled by their smart phones. They have no knowledge of a pre-internet existence. Anything not in the cloud will be incomprehensible to them.

I think it's funny that one day, in my retirement years, I'll be able to sit in my living room in Minnesota and hack into someone's appliances in Hawaii and make them do my bidding.

Growth market tip: Appliance cyber security software.


Post# 759046 , Reply# 6   5/23/2014 at 04:39 (3,623 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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China has already built the hack into all appliance firmware. They can program it to make you buy another one, or a whole new wardrobe, or both. There's already a lawsuit over it. I'm not making this up. (But maybe cross-zaggerating a little.)

I got to 68yo with clouds being what rain and tornadoes come from, so obviously 'cloud' as a marketing term is not something anyone 'needs'. It's not even defined; it means whatever the seller wants you to think it means.

Call me jurassic, but to me a 'smartphone' is the one I got free for subscribing to AT&T for 2 years 7 years ago. The clock part works great. The phone part, way less so. Takes me 20 minutes through the queue to reach ANYone then halfway through, the gawdam thing disconnects. Not SOME times, but MOST times. When it's working, it doesn't just drop words but entire paragraphs. The sunnamabitch is such a profound annoyance I seldom turn it on. I want THAT in my laundry loop? Let me sum up in one word: EXPLETIVE!.




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Post# 759055 , Reply# 7   5/23/2014 at 06:19 (3,623 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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It's quicker to turn on the washing machine with the dials and buttons on the machine than use a smartphone. I'm putting the laundry in anyway, so why bother using the phone?

Post# 759077 , Reply# 8   5/23/2014 at 08:24 (3,623 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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I concur - another hackable device, cheap electronics you can count on being implemented for durability and satisfaction(not) and another reason to explore why 90% of the brain isn't being fully utilized. Dumb down world evolving. I love gadgets, but ,

"Choose wisely, Grasshopper". :-)


Post# 759092 , Reply# 9   5/23/2014 at 12:13 (3,623 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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Just one more thing that appliance companies are implementing to appeal to ignorance and laziness. Just like Tide Pods. They hold Think Tanks, not with mature people with experience and common sense, but with lazy college age kids whose parents did all their laundry and dishes, which results in the unified response: "We just don't want to have to think about it." I don't know when the world became in such a rush that you can't take 5 seconds to measure a scoop/cup of detergent, or another 5 seconds to select a cycle, water level, and temperature. I'm 22 years old and even I'm disgusted with the way technology is going. Millions of dollars going into this crap, and yet we have hospitals still using 15 year old operating systems and computers. Ignorance.

I plan to have older, REAL appliances until it's literally impossible to use them anymore. My 2010 WP agitator washer, and '13 Maytag dishwasher will be the newest appliances I'll ever own, and I only bought them because they're built on platforms that are 10 years old now, just with updated aesthetics. If they fizz out, I'll be on the hunt for PowerCleans and KitchenAid direct-drives and Lady Kenmores.


Post# 759153 , Reply# 10   5/23/2014 at 18:38 (3,622 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I think it's a daft idea. It doesn't make it any easier to use, and it will (at least initially) be a higher cost I would guess. I don't see any benefit. I want my machine to wash, rinse and spin clothes, not tell me about it by phone or post it on facebook or the like.

Post# 759189 , Reply# 11   5/23/2014 at 21:57 (3,622 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I think that this is another perfect product for the connected generation. Everything is now expressed through electronic mediums and social/technological interconnectivity is the most effective way to be disconnected from reality and the mundane.

I don't understand the new cycle selections either. It all appears to be geared towards and an expression of peoples' life-style choices. Instead of sorting your linen, cotton, blends and colorfast items from your darks, non-colorfast and delicates, you now choose programs according to your daily activities - e.g. day clothes, sports clothes, germy clothes and it even orders you detergen for you. No critical thinking required. Just dump it in and away you go, no laundry knowledge required, it's now done by the cloud. Soon we'll all be living in the cloud. Clouds are white, soft and fluffy, but I don't think that most peoples' laundry is.



Post# 759194 , Reply# 12   5/23/2014 at 22:08 (3,622 days old) by washer111 ()        
Agreeed

It seriously does not require more than a moment's thought to sort White from bright from dark, dirty from clean (smelly/not smelly) and things that really shouldn't be washed with one-another (Bed-linens, wash-cloths, towels, nappies etc.)

 

As stated above, provided you have an adequate detergent arsenal (maybe not a collection) and appropriate additives, just choose one, make a measurement with the measuring scoop provided, dial in a cycle and temperature and AWAY you go!

 

Since when was that all too hard?

It only takes a moment of your day, and it has to be done. Letting "The Cloud" control your washer still doesn't stop you have to put the clothes in, or perhaps sort them. You still have to choose detergent, too. 

 

First world problems, right here, right now. How pathetic. 

People in 3rd World countries are worried about losing their scholars to 1st world countries. WELL, when they get here, we'll lose them and everyone else to technologies' tight grip. 


Post# 759199 , Reply# 13   5/23/2014 at 22:46 (3,622 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Thank you Rapunzel. You've made my point more clearly than I. I'm still stuck on one thing, though. How the F**K does one's "daily activities" have any bearing on how you clean your clothes??? If there is a red wine stain on my pants, how the stain got there or what I was doing at the time does not affect how I launder those pants.

To put this (lack of) thought another way: If I'm at my computer without my glasses I usually have to raise magnification to 500% to read the screen. It's like they're saying that the reason I don't have my glasses would somehow change the magnification I'd need. Ummmmmmm.... NO.

Or am I misunderstanding this whole concept? Putting aside the abject stupidity of the whole notion, how would this cloud connected washer 'know' what's needed to take out whatever stains are in the laundry? I'd really like to read the technical aspects of how this all would work.

@Abilab: It's time for a new phone. Do some research and pick one that meets your needs without also having a whole bunch of bells and whistles. I strongly suggest you NOT go into a store and listen to a sales person. S/he will just sell you whatever is in vogue at that particular moment. People laugh at my Blackberry 9930, but I have it because it meets MY needs:

1. E-mail... I can type way faster on my real keyboard than most i-sheep can on their touch screens.
2. Text messages... see above
3. Phone calls
4. It runs the one social media app that I used to use. Hint: Likely popular with most gentlemen here and it's name is a tool used to make coffee from whole beans ;-)

I can't imagine choosing a phone to express my lifestyle, much less a washer.


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Post# 759201 , Reply# 14   5/23/2014 at 23:02 (3,622 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

This is the age where most products are almost identical clones under the skin. Here we have another extremely bland looking washer that does exactly the same that all the other extremely bland looking washers on the market do. I guess having a washing machine that you can talk to through your I-pad or phone creates that personal connection between the user and an otherwise boring product.

Post# 759217 , Reply# 15   5/24/2014 at 01:33 (3,622 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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"I want my machine to wash, rinse and spin clothes, not tell me about it by phone or post it on facebook"

Priceless.

My cell is OK as a phone except voice quality is characteristically lousy. Seems AT&T has an outdated tower on this end of town. I've got as many bars as it's possible to have, the phone worked OK across the county even with fewer, but here it drops words, paragraphs, connections.

Brother always has the latest gizzwhizzy, his would phone at my last address but not data and at his home it would data but not phone. After all this time, cell remains a halfass technology no matter what you spend on it or how often.




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Post# 759218 , Reply# 16   5/24/2014 at 01:45 (3,622 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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There are benefits to having a machine connected to the net. Perhaps in a grouped establishment like an apartment complex, or laundromat. Where machines being monitored from a remote location would be beneficial. Or maybe an assisted living setting.

And I kind of like the idea of an interface to initiate the replenishment of detergent at the machine. Our multifunctional device (photocopier) at work does this already today when toner or paper are low.

Malcolm



Post# 759221 , Reply# 17   5/24/2014 at 02:24 (3,622 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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No. Just no. Coming from being a tech at Apple for 3 years, I'm absolutely disgusted by the fact that my own generation is under the ignorant belief that they're too good to do anything that can't be connected to/used with an app on their smartphone. Paper and toner are no comparison, because you're not required to put in a dose of powder and a sheet of paper for each job. Those supplies are kept in cartridges and trays that are relatively out of site, but are used frequently throughout the day. Not having a notification of low supplies would be as ridiculous as not having a fuel gauge on your car. But if people now are in such a hurry that they can't simply look in the box or bottle of detergent in the five seconds it takes to measure out a scoop, and if it's low or empty, simply go to the store and buy more, there's something terribly wrong. All it takes is for companies to appeal to the lazy, carefree demographic, rather than the people who actually care how our products work and deserve to have control of them, and they'll feed off that ignorance more than they do now, until we'll have washing machines with one button, a Start button, that will "make every choice intelligently" so that we don't have to "suffer the burden of decisions", and behind the closed door all the machine will do is spritz the clothes with water and glorified Febreeze "detergent" until they're damp and spin them, and those people who don't care to learn how to do laundry properly will be none the wiser because the manual tells them that they only have to throw clothes in and push the button. It will be the ones who genuinely care about how these machines work, and want them to work the way we want them to, that will suffer.

Post# 759226 , Reply# 18   5/24/2014 at 03:30 (3,622 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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I am surprised no one has built a TV into the display on modern machines, it would certainly take the boredom out of watching the machine. :-)

Post# 759230 , Reply# 19   5/24/2014 at 04:18 (3,622 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

I admit that it would be nice if my washer and dryer had the capability to send my phone a text message or an e-mail to say it was finished, but that's about the extent of the connectivity that I'd want from it.

I have a friend with an LG washer and dryer that has a remote time readout which uses the powerlines in his house to display the amount of time remaining on the washer and dryer. That's pretty slick.


Post# 759236 , Reply# 20   5/24/2014 at 06:17 (3,622 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Its a great idea on how connectivity controls can be used in even a humble washing machine - the design consultancy has been well "Connected" for many years. Great that you can take all those 30+ programmes you find on todays washers and customise your own key programmes you use everday.

Having grown up with the HLCC UK (Home Laundry Care Council) guide which I still subscribe to, programmes:
2 (60d hot white /lights wash, rinses, fast spin)
5 (40d warm wash for darks, rinses & fast spin) and
7 (woollens, handwash, gentle action 40d, high rinses and controlled spin)

I think "Cloudwash" offers simplicity with the best of features such as "That Washer Needs To Finish before The Next Parent Taxi Run" which is what you hear the most from todays mums and laundry users!!

But for me thats why I like Servis Quartz washing machines, 9 simple programmes on a LED programmer which corresponds to the 9 ITCL (International Textile Care Labels) of the day - first launched from 1976!!

Nowthen - I wonder if I could plug the cloudwash App into the Quartz?


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Post# 759240 , Reply# 21   5/24/2014 at 07:42 (3,622 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
No. Just no.

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I am sure that people said the same thing about

1) atm cards
2) automatic washers
3) mobile phones
4) automatic dishwashers
5) automatic transmissions
6) microwave ovens
7) ...

Malcolm




Post# 759251 , Reply# 22   5/24/2014 at 09:08 (3,622 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Our hobby doesn't generally get much attention, so I think anyone investing their career, time and money into it should be applauded... it's a shame that's rejected by so many.

If that guy were to see this I'd imagine he'd feel quite unwelcome in our community.

If it weren't for these forward thinking individuals we would't have the machines we have today, or even the ones we had back in the 60's and 80's. During their time they were the front of new technology.


It's not for sale, your not being forced to replace your current models with it... It's just one mans concept, and I like it. I already have a machine I like so I wouldn't rush out to replace it, but I think its an interesting take from an outsider and a techy, on where things might be going. Good for him!


Post# 759253 , Reply# 23   5/24/2014 at 09:20 (3,622 days old) by NYCWriter ()        
The problem is ...

... yet another potential abuse of *data* about our personal lives.

If it's in "the cloud" or out in cyberspace, it's accessible to anyone.

I don't need "anyone" knowing what I'm washing, HOW I'm washing, or when I'm washing.

Why would it make a difference, you might ask? What's there to hide?

Plenty. Aside from the obvious TIMINGS (when I am and am not at home), it wouldn't be a huge leap to foresee a world in which "the government" monitors our water usage, and whether or not we're using "approved" detergents.


Post# 759337 , Reply# 24   5/24/2014 at 18:31 (3,621 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

It's not about making anyone "welcome" in the community or not - any idea that is created will have those in favour and those against. Some will succeed and many won't - look at James Dyson for example, and compare to the inventors of the Monotub. One is everywhere, the others not. If this guy sees comments and is unhappy, he can either take it to heart or he can brush it off. He can enter into conversation with people to find out what they like/dislike about the ideas. That's part of doing his job.

For me, it seems an unnecessary use of technology. I can't see any reason why a washing machine should need to be connected. I'm perfectly capable of going to the shop and buying detergent/softener when I need to, I've educated myself on how best to do the laundry and I don't want a machine that thinks it knows better. I'm sure I'm not the only one.


Post# 759351 , Reply# 25   5/24/2014 at 20:22 (3,621 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)        

A lot of this is about trying to build the machines cheaper. Wireless adaptors are now cheaper than user interface controls, so if they can eliminate the UI from the washer itself (except for maybe a stop button) and make you use your phone to control it, the machine is a bit cheaper to build.

If done right, this could actually be sort of cool. Imagine an app that lets you program your own cycles and download them to the machine.


Post# 759417 , Reply# 26   5/25/2014 at 06:50 (3,621 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Look closley my friends!

The video says way more than the article. It is linked in the bottom of the page or you just search for Berg washing machine on YT.
This video really explains all the ideas of that washer!
First: They thought about the UI quite a lot. They thought about both ways: Full UI with all options for both (aka a touch screen on your washer) or reducing it down to the minimum (aka just a Start/Stop button). And so they got to this version: 3 cycles you can preprogramm to which you use the most, a time managing system (set end time) and the buttons. And these buttons for detergent and softner either open you y web page you desire to order your detergent/softner from OR just add a reminder on to you shopping list on your Smartphone. The rest including all standard cycles and options are on the app. Further, it can notify you when the cycle finished. Or, lets say you started a cycle and went shopping, but you know you will be comming home later, the app can tell the washer to do a rinse hold. Or, it will notify you if something goes wrong. But all this notifying can be stopped by the push of a button. There is a feature to book time if for example you life with some friends and want to do your laubdry at a certain time.
And on the topic of this data: Who the hell would want to hack your washer and cause damage??? How anyway? If there is any thought about saftey, the washer has a secured transmission way. I mean, you got a password for your Wifi, you got ways to do online bancking safely, why should not a simple washer be abled to use a https connection/ a protected server to transmit your data? And if somebody hacks you, all they may see which cycles you use and what you have linked to the buttons. Maybe when you are doing laundry. But there is way more important data that is avaible way easyier. And if someone wants to get your data, they'll get your data. And I am sure they already have it. Are you part of any cashback system (like it is Payback) here in Germany? They know what you buy. Do you have phone service? They know who you call. Do you have Internet? They know you are active here and can dead how you wash you laundry. It is a fact: You can't protect your data 100% safley. If they want to get it, they get it.


Post# 759437 , Reply# 27   5/25/2014 at 09:54 (3,621 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

When I look all I see is people being distracted with apps for this, that and the other. So much time is spent with info technology nowadays and it doesn't make life easier or bring people closer together at all. That's the general misconception about this techonology. Everyone is scurrying around multi-tasking with their I-pads and I-phones, twittering, tweeting rubbish and being bombarded with mostly useless information. Does it make people more learned, more intelligent, better decision makers, more efficient or better human beings alround? I don't think so. Will it really make my life easier if I now have to take messages from my dryer, washer, fridge? As if I haven't already enough to worry about communicating with people.

It is more useless rubbish that doesn't solve the real challenges that we are still grappling with as a species or in our every day lives. It creates another contrived dependency, another must have thing to while away life with meaningless shite. Most importantly it is intrusive as it allows third parties to see what we get up to in our personal sphere.

Responding to Malcolm's post I'd like to say that ATM cards are actually a pain in the arse for many reasons.

Automatic transmissions don't data mine and compel people to spend countless hours playing silly computer games when they should be looking after their kids or exercise their minds and bodies doing something more useful.

Micrwave ovens - as convenient as they are I do wonder if they don't alter the molecular structure of our foods and contribute to increased cases of bowel and stomach cancer.

There is strong scientific evidence that excessive mobile phone use causes brain cancer - but what can you do when even brain surgeons use them? Wink


Post# 759438 , Reply# 28   5/25/2014 at 10:02 (3,621 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
And their we got it!

People talking about stuff they can't know! Look at what a microwave as it self is: It is just a wave in matter. As well is sound, and the wave in a ocean. The only difference is their wavelength and thus energy. Sound can move objects. And microwaves move or vibrate water atoms. It is the same as you shaking whatever: you transfer energy. You shake the something, the microwaves shake the water-atoms.
Sorry for that, but all this "OMG Microwaves are bad" annoys me.


Post# 759465 , Reply# 29   5/25/2014 at 17:13 (3,620 days old) by washer111 ()        
@henene4 - People talking about stuff they don't know

I wouldn't be so quick to discount Rapunzel's statements - after all, they technically haven't been proven true OR false at this point in time, As far as I know. Theoretically, vibrating water with 2.4GHz micro-waves shouldn't make a difference, but it could do so, enough that only people with "the bad genes" are affected. 

 

You should also be careful about what you say regarding hackers. Remember they are people who either do things to annoy people because they don't have a life, or because getting their life-savings will make them rich. 

Wi-Fi is actually VERY in-secure, depending on the method used to secure it (I'm looking at you WEP!).

Online Banking is VERY insecure - since people who hack into the servers can act as "man in the middle" seeing what you see, before you see it, and meddling with your data.

They can also hack your "secure" connection, with credentials akin to the security certificate. 

And of course, if you have a virus on your computer, then any "secure connections" are just a load of crap, since those programs watch what you are doing, then phone home via a different connection. 

 

There a probably many other ways of hacking into technology. Just because you don't think they have business on an automatic washer, doesn't mean they won't come. Its like saying the Titanic was "unsinkable."

And remember, if you need a secure connection, then you need code that supports that. That code is never 100% perfect, and thus requires updates, or else risk being hacked. The base code of the washer might be inherently insecure or buggy, too. More places to "get in."


Post# 759523 , Reply# 30   5/25/2014 at 22:50 (3,620 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"People talking about stuff they can't know!"

People can know, but do they want to know? Especially when there is a lot of money involved and when everyone else is doing it (whatever it is). Humans are a bit like Lemmings when it comes to that pack mentality. If it seems like a good idea to jump off a cliff, because everyone else is doing it, there are enough more or less intelligent people who will jump without question. After all we are nothing more than hairless primates driven by instincts, impulses and hormones.


Post# 759549 , Reply# 31   5/26/2014 at 00:32 (3,620 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The only thing affected by microwaves are dippl-molecules (hope thats the right expression), in this case, the most common, water. Now, as we know (or at least me), radiated material (even if microwaves would be something closley like radioactiv radiation) does not turn into a radiator it self. So the water would need vibrate so violently to collide with other particles that hard that it chances their structure. And this would need to happen in such an incident that de get a cancer affecting substance that is invisible and not recognizable at all.
And on the topic of Internet security: Everything is hackable. But who would do the still hard work?


Post# 759557 , Reply# 32   5/26/2014 at 00:53 (3,620 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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I think the most threatening issue here is "choice". There are too many cases in life where we are forced into things just because the government mandates it, or because the majority of others do it. The underlying truth is that 90% of the population couldn't give less of a care how their appliances work or how to use them properly, because they see *chores* as exactly that: unpleasant work that takes away from their free time. But to us, if anyone here is like me, the time to do laundry and dishes, and really anything that requires using a complex machine, is exciting because you get watch the amazing engineering that was put into making a washing machine perform so many different movements and tasks completely on its own, or creating the hurricane (or water sprinkler, if that's the kind of machine you prefer) that happens behind the sealed door of a dishwasher. Making the control panel of a washing machine as simple as possible, with a start button and barely more, and requiring that the more complex settings be done on a separate device may be fine for most people, but to me the panel is what gives the machine character, and makes it more exciting than just a boring white cabinet. I would be perfectly fine with HE machines that use a teaspoon of cold water, and have internet connection, and allow control from a mobile device, IF I had the OPTION of choosing whether I want to use those things or not. If I want the machine to do a deep wash and rinse, filling to the top of the basket, and use true hot water, and completely disable any connection to anything besides water and power, and still have a control board with every option and knob/button available, I as a paying consumer should have the control to do so. If I want to pay for the extra energy/water bill because of it, that's my business. That just isn't the case these days though, because a person has to jump through hoops in the form of tweaking (or rather having to break) something in the mechanics, or removing restrictor valves, or tricking the machine in some way just to get the results we need, all because that 90% of common society bought those machines because they were state-of-the-art and shiny, not caring how well it works or performs, and the manufacturers decide that because everyone "jumped off that cliff", it might as well be the new standard trend, and that there is no point in spending money on other alternatives for the minority that complained about the new product.

Point of the rant: New and innovative is fine in my book, but only if I have the choice to continue to do things the "old" way, and in my own time try the new way and decide whether or not it really is for the better.


Post# 759559 , Reply# 33   5/26/2014 at 01:03 (3,620 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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And as far has hacking, anything connected to your home's network becomes a potential gateway, no matter how insignificant. Phones, tablets, computers, TVs, printers, even a clock-radio with WiFi. There was an article not long ago about the Nest thermostat containing the same vulnerable bug that was associated with the Heartbleed virus. I mean, it's just a thermostat right? But it's connected to everything else your network touches, it only takes someone smart enough to know how to use those bridges. A computer, regardless of how small or what appliance it's in, is still a computer.

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Post# 759571 , Reply# 34   5/26/2014 at 02:15 (3,620 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Be that as it may--I am keeping my appliances for the most part off the "cloud"Just too much that could possibly happen.
Microwaves---they are part of the energy spectrum-radio frequency energy-your cell phone operates on a similar frequency as your microwave-they are far enough apart so they do not interfere.Radio frequency radiation is non inonizing-it does not alter cell structures.It causes heating by vibrating,or agitating the cells.Its like your doctor using a diathermy machine on you.Even lower frequency FM and TV frequencies do cause body or tissue heating.The higher bands of Short wave can cause it-after all some diathermy machines run at frequencies around 10Mhz.I repaired one of those once--its oscillator was simply two 6146 tubes in a push pull oscillator circuit.Put the probe on my arm-and felt it warming.Then turned it off.Don't think that diathermy machine would do well in cooking your food.By the way those popcorn popping videos on YouTube with cell phones are fake.A cell phone can't generate that kind of power.If it did would not meet safety regs.You would not be able to use it without burns.


Post# 759719 , Reply# 35   5/26/2014 at 22:02 (3,619 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

I agree with Malcom. Just, no. All the items on his list:

1) atm cards
2) automatic washers
3) mobile phones
4) automatic dishwashers
5) automatic transmissions
6) microwave ovens

have enabled us to do chores more quickly, more efficiently, or with less effort. If not for all of us, then they do for at least a sizable portion of the population.

Call me a Luddite, but I just don't see how a cloud connected washer does this.

On the flip side, if a cloud connected washer actually DOES make doing laundry easier of a sizable portion of the population, then I'm kind of forced to conclude that the average person has fewer properly firing neurons I'd thought.....and trust me, that wasn't very many to begin with.

I know I don't have the normal amount of sheeple genes; maybe that's why I just don't get this?


Post# 760590 , Reply# 36   5/31/2014 at 10:11 (3,615 days old) by NYCWriter ()        
"non-ionizing radiation" propaganda ...

According to the World Health Organization:

"Up to 10% of invasive cancers are related to radiation exposure, including both ionizing radiation and non-ionizing radiation. Additionally, the vast majority of non-invasive cancers are non-melanoma skin cancers caused by non-ionizing ultraviolet radiation."


Post# 760621 , Reply# 37   5/31/2014 at 13:19 (3,615 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Thats true...

... but you are hit by UV-light each and every second. But UV-light has a way different wave length, thus, has more energy. And you are directly radiated. You don't take a magnetron out of a microwave and power it up beside you hours and hours. People working with radio equipment are a cancer risk group. But if a microwave would leak its radiation, it would not be allowed to be sold. And as long you don't get exposed to radiation, there is simply no danger at all.

Post# 760633 , Reply# 38   5/31/2014 at 15:01 (3,615 days old) by NYCWriter ()        
"There is simply no danger at all" ...

That's what they said about iridium back in the '20s.

And lobotomies in the '30s.

And asbestos in the '40s.

And DDT in the '50s (children frolicked in clouds of the stuff!)

And Thalidomide in the '60s.

And hydrogenated oils in the '70s.

And Thimerosol in the '80s.

And Vioxx in the '90s.

And what they're telling us (in America) about fluoride in the water today.


Post# 760635 , Reply# 39   5/31/2014 at 15:39 (3,615 days old) by washman (o)        
I have to agree on the privacy issue

Heck, already big brother knows not only when you drop a duke, but how much and what kind of potty paper you use.

Simply put, there is no need to put laundry in the cloud unless of course one is referring cloud soft drying or something like that. :)


Post# 760638 , Reply# 40   5/31/2014 at 16:33 (3,614 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

And since when do microwaves in homes exist? Have there been any officially connected causes of cancer linked to microwave ofens? Has the number cancer cases increased after the microwave ofen became popular? I don't think so.

Post# 760654 , Reply# 41   5/31/2014 at 18:27 (3,614 days old) by washer111 ()        

In this case, I imagine that the theory is that you cannot be caused undue harm from microwave-waves. 

Here is something I pulled off Google: http://www.darvill.clara.net/emag/emagmicro.htm

You should be CAREFUL around a microwave - God only knows how cheap the "Anti-Wave" stuff they employ to stop the microwaves escaping are, and how effective, if at all, they are. 


Included as well is the EM-Spectrum from Wikipedia, just so we're all sure to be on the same wave-length!

(Oh, thats punny...)


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Post# 760668 , Reply# 42   5/31/2014 at 20:03 (3,614 days old) by NYCWriter ()        
Yes ...

"Have there been any officially connected causes of cancer linked to microwave ofens? Has the number cancer cases increased after the microwave ofen became popular?"

Actually, yes.


Post# 760670 , Reply# 43   5/31/2014 at 20:47 (3,614 days old) by washer111 ()        
I Might Add:

Years ago, someone had the "bright idea" of placing a Mobile-Phone tower smack-bang amongst several businesses in our community. 

 

Since then, at least 6 people from those businesses, including someone from my own family, have developed Breast Cancers. I believe the male affected might have had either a Lung or Brain cancer. However, I'm not too sure on that one. 

 

So I am somewhat skeptical of how 'safe' mobile towers really are. Of course, other lifestyle factors can influence, and I'd imagine the occurrences of this would probably be Normally Distributed - given such few people have been affected. 

 

HOWEVER - we have been very disappointed with the surveyors conclusion that the tower poses "No Risk" to the well-being of people working right underneath the thing, five days a week, six hours a day - when there have CLEARLY been several cases of people working there AND developing carcinomas. 

Not happy, Jan!


Post# 762431 , Reply# 44   6/9/2014 at 03:44 (3,606 days old) by NYCWriter ()        
I've been writing stories on EMF and health ...

... and frankly, the more I research, the more alarming the evidence I'm finding.

And it's not just microwaves, but "dirty electricty" as well.

Keep in mind that it's extremely difficult to "officially" connect ANY cancer cases to ANYTHING, short of smoking and lung cancer (and even then, it's never a proven thing, it's just a correlation, which of course never proves causation).


Post# 1162202 , Reply# 45   10/21/2022 at 17:56 (549 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
No thank you.

I will pass on this. It is not that hard to do laundry. As a blind person, I rely on a talking color detector to presort my laundry so I don't have to worry about it later.

Post# 1162320 , Reply# 46   10/23/2022 at 10:25 (548 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
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The sad reality is that wiring errors in buildings like standing neutral to ground faults and crossed neutrals easily produce magnetic fields higher than powerlines and running appliances. In the US most circuits are not RCD protected at the panel, so these wiring errors go undetected.


@GELaundry4ever: I'll pass as well. When I saw twittering laundry that was enough for me:


alumni.media.mit.edu/~mhirsch/twi...



Post# 1162330 , Reply# 47   10/23/2022 at 14:12 (548 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
Reply #9 #17 #32 & #33

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This is why I wouldn’t loose too much sleep if I woke up and it suddenly was 1965 all over again. There’s no real choice in anything anymore, all cars are basically the same these days and is the same as appliances as well. It’s safe to say there’s a virtual monopoly on cars, appliances, and electronics since there’s no distinction from the competition anymore since it’s just another copy from another company.

I may be apart of Gen Z but I don’t fall for the latest and greatest technology, reason why companies use the term “technology” is it’s nothing more than marketing. People will think it’s new when in reality it’s something that’s been rehashed from a few years ago to make people think it’s new when in reality it’s not.













Post# 1162376 , Reply# 48   10/24/2022 at 09:57 (547 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
and in addition to the color reader...

I have a laundry hamper with 3 separate compartments to aid in sorting too.


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