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Post# 758982   5/22/2014 at 19:29 (3,623 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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What do u guys think of this, on one hand i think its a brilliant idea, on the other, the machine isnt much to look at
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Post# 759034 , Reply# 4   5/23/2014 at 00:49 (3,623 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Think I will keep my appliances disconnected from the "cloud". |
Post# 759037 , Reply# 5   5/23/2014 at 02:07 (3,623 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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It's inevitable that appliances will be controlled via the internet. Kids two generations younger than me are born into a world controlled by their smart phones. They have no knowledge of a pre-internet existence. Anything not in the cloud will be incomprehensible to them. |
Post# 759046 , Reply# 6   5/23/2014 at 04:39 (3,623 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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China has already built the hack into all appliance firmware. They can program it to make you buy another one, or a whole new wardrobe, or both. There's already a lawsuit over it. I'm not making this up. (But maybe cross-zaggerating a little.)
I got to 68yo with clouds being what rain and tornadoes come from, so obviously 'cloud' as a marketing term is not something anyone 'needs'. It's not even defined; it means whatever the seller wants you to think it means. Call me jurassic, but to me a 'smartphone' is the one I got free for subscribing to AT&T for 2 years 7 years ago. The clock part works great. The phone part, way less so. Takes me 20 minutes through the queue to reach ANYone then halfway through, the gawdam thing disconnects. Not SOME times, but MOST times. When it's working, it doesn't just drop words but entire paragraphs. The sunnamabitch is such a profound annoyance I seldom turn it on. I want THAT in my laundry loop? Let me sum up in one word: EXPLETIVE!. This post was last edited 05/23/2014 at 04:54 |
Post# 759055 , Reply# 7   5/23/2014 at 06:19 (3,623 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 759077 , Reply# 8   5/23/2014 at 08:24 (3,623 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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Post# 759092 , Reply# 9   5/23/2014 at 12:13 (3,623 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Just one more thing that appliance companies are implementing to appeal to ignorance and laziness. Just like Tide Pods. They hold Think Tanks, not with mature people with experience and common sense, but with lazy college age kids whose parents did all their laundry and dishes, which results in the unified response: "We just don't want to have to think about it." I don't know when the world became in such a rush that you can't take 5 seconds to measure a scoop/cup of detergent, or another 5 seconds to select a cycle, water level, and temperature. I'm 22 years old and even I'm disgusted with the way technology is going. Millions of dollars going into this crap, and yet we have hospitals still using 15 year old operating systems and computers. Ignorance.
I plan to have older, REAL appliances until it's literally impossible to use them anymore. My 2010 WP agitator washer, and '13 Maytag dishwasher will be the newest appliances I'll ever own, and I only bought them because they're built on platforms that are 10 years old now, just with updated aesthetics. If they fizz out, I'll be on the hunt for PowerCleans and KitchenAid direct-drives and Lady Kenmores. |
Post# 759217 , Reply# 15   5/24/2014 at 01:33 (3,622 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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"I want my machine to wash, rinse and spin clothes, not tell me about it by phone or post it on facebook"
Priceless. My cell is OK as a phone except voice quality is characteristically lousy. Seems AT&T has an outdated tower on this end of town. I've got as many bars as it's possible to have, the phone worked OK across the county even with fewer, but here it drops words, paragraphs, connections. Brother always has the latest gizzwhizzy, his would phone at my last address but not data and at his home it would data but not phone. After all this time, cell remains a halfass technology no matter what you spend on it or how often. This post was last edited 05/24/2014 at 02:26 |
Post# 759218 , Reply# 16   5/24/2014 at 01:45 (3,622 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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There are benefits to having a machine connected to the net. Perhaps in a grouped establishment like an apartment complex, or laundromat. Where machines being monitored from a remote location would be beneficial. Or maybe an assisted living setting.
And I kind of like the idea of an interface to initiate the replenishment of detergent at the machine. Our multifunctional device (photocopier) at work does this already today when toner or paper are low. Malcolm |
Post# 759221 , Reply# 17   5/24/2014 at 02:24 (3,622 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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No. Just no. Coming from being a tech at Apple for 3 years, I'm absolutely disgusted by the fact that my own generation is under the ignorant belief that they're too good to do anything that can't be connected to/used with an app on their smartphone. Paper and toner are no comparison, because you're not required to put in a dose of powder and a sheet of paper for each job. Those supplies are kept in cartridges and trays that are relatively out of site, but are used frequently throughout the day. Not having a notification of low supplies would be as ridiculous as not having a fuel gauge on your car. But if people now are in such a hurry that they can't simply look in the box or bottle of detergent in the five seconds it takes to measure out a scoop, and if it's low or empty, simply go to the store and buy more, there's something terribly wrong. All it takes is for companies to appeal to the lazy, carefree demographic, rather than the people who actually care how our products work and deserve to have control of them, and they'll feed off that ignorance more than they do now, until we'll have washing machines with one button, a Start button, that will "make every choice intelligently" so that we don't have to "suffer the burden of decisions", and behind the closed door all the machine will do is spritz the clothes with water and glorified Febreeze "detergent" until they're damp and spin them, and those people who don't care to learn how to do laundry properly will be none the wiser because the manual tells them that they only have to throw clothes in and push the button. It will be the ones who genuinely care about how these machines work, and want them to work the way we want them to, that will suffer.
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Post# 759226 , Reply# 18   5/24/2014 at 03:30 (3,622 days old) by electron1100 (England)   |   | |
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Post# 759236 , Reply# 20   5/24/2014 at 06:17 (3,622 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Its a great idea on how connectivity controls can be used in even a humble washing machine - the design consultancy has been well "Connected" for many years. Great that you can take all those 30+ programmes you find on todays washers and customise your own key programmes you use everday.
Having grown up with the HLCC UK (Home Laundry Care Council) guide which I still subscribe to, programmes: 2 (60d hot white /lights wash, rinses, fast spin) 5 (40d warm wash for darks, rinses & fast spin) and 7 (woollens, handwash, gentle action 40d, high rinses and controlled spin) I think "Cloudwash" offers simplicity with the best of features such as "That Washer Needs To Finish before The Next Parent Taxi Run" which is what you hear the most from todays mums and laundry users!! But for me thats why I like Servis Quartz washing machines, 9 simple programmes on a LED programmer which corresponds to the 9 ITCL (International Textile Care Labels) of the day - first launched from 1976!! Nowthen - I wonder if I could plug the cloudwash App into the Quartz? CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK
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Post# 759240 , Reply# 21   5/24/2014 at 07:42 (3,622 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 759251 , Reply# 22   5/24/2014 at 09:08 (3,622 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)   |   | |
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Our hobby doesn't generally get much attention, so I think anyone investing their career, time and money into it should be applauded... it's a shame that's rejected by so many.
If that guy were to see this I'd imagine he'd feel quite unwelcome in our community. If it weren't for these forward thinking individuals we would't have the machines we have today, or even the ones we had back in the 60's and 80's. During their time they were the front of new technology. It's not for sale, your not being forced to replace your current models with it... It's just one mans concept, and I like it. I already have a machine I like so I wouldn't rush out to replace it, but I think its an interesting take from an outsider and a techy, on where things might be going. Good for him! |
Post# 759557 , Reply# 32   5/26/2014 at 00:53 (3,620 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I think the most threatening issue here is "choice". There are too many cases in life where we are forced into things just because the government mandates it, or because the majority of others do it. The underlying truth is that 90% of the population couldn't give less of a care how their appliances work or how to use them properly, because they see *chores* as exactly that: unpleasant work that takes away from their free time. But to us, if anyone here is like me, the time to do laundry and dishes, and really anything that requires using a complex machine, is exciting because you get watch the amazing engineering that was put into making a washing machine perform so many different movements and tasks completely on its own, or creating the hurricane (or water sprinkler, if that's the kind of machine you prefer) that happens behind the sealed door of a dishwasher. Making the control panel of a washing machine as simple as possible, with a start button and barely more, and requiring that the more complex settings be done on a separate device may be fine for most people, but to me the panel is what gives the machine character, and makes it more exciting than just a boring white cabinet. I would be perfectly fine with HE machines that use a teaspoon of cold water, and have internet connection, and allow control from a mobile device, IF I had the OPTION of choosing whether I want to use those things or not. If I want the machine to do a deep wash and rinse, filling to the top of the basket, and use true hot water, and completely disable any connection to anything besides water and power, and still have a control board with every option and knob/button available, I as a paying consumer should have the control to do so. If I want to pay for the extra energy/water bill because of it, that's my business. That just isn't the case these days though, because a person has to jump through hoops in the form of tweaking (or rather having to break) something in the mechanics, or removing restrictor valves, or tricking the machine in some way just to get the results we need, all because that 90% of common society bought those machines because they were state-of-the-art and shiny, not caring how well it works or performs, and the manufacturers decide that because everyone "jumped off that cliff", it might as well be the new standard trend, and that there is no point in spending money on other alternatives for the minority that complained about the new product.
Point of the rant: New and innovative is fine in my book, but only if I have the choice to continue to do things the "old" way, and in my own time try the new way and decide whether or not it really is for the better. |
Post# 759559 , Reply# 33   5/26/2014 at 01:03 (3,620 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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And as far has hacking, anything connected to your home's network becomes a potential gateway, no matter how insignificant. Phones, tablets, computers, TVs, printers, even a clock-radio with WiFi. There was an article not long ago about the Nest thermostat containing the same vulnerable bug that was associated with the Heartbleed virus. I mean, it's just a thermostat right? But it's connected to everything else your network touches, it only takes someone smart enough to know how to use those bridges. A computer, regardless of how small or what appliance it's in, is still a computer.
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Post# 760638 , Reply# 40   5/31/2014 at 16:33 (3,614 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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And since when do microwaves in homes exist? Have there been any officially connected causes of cancer linked to microwave ofens? Has the number cancer cases increased after the microwave ofen became popular? I don't think so. |
Post# 760668 , Reply# 42   5/31/2014 at 20:03 (3,614 days old) by NYCWriter ()   |   | |
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"Have there been any officially connected causes of cancer linked to microwave ofens? Has the number cancer cases increased after the microwave ofen became popular?" Actually, yes. |
Post# 1162202 , Reply# 45   10/21/2022 at 17:56 (549 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I will pass on this. It is not that hard to do laundry. As a blind person, I rely on a talking color detector to presort my laundry so I don't have to worry about it later. |
Post# 1162320 , Reply# 46   10/23/2022 at 10:25 (548 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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The sad reality is that wiring errors in buildings like standing neutral to ground faults and crossed neutrals easily produce magnetic fields higher than powerlines and running appliances. In the US most circuits are not RCD protected at the panel, so these wiring errors go undetected.
@GELaundry4ever: I'll pass as well. When I saw twittering laundry that was enough for me: alumni.media.mit.edu/~mhirsch/twi... |
Post# 1162330 , Reply# 47   10/23/2022 at 14:12 (548 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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This is why I wouldn’t loose too much sleep if I woke up and it suddenly was 1965 all over again. There’s no real choice in anything anymore, all cars are basically the same these days and is the same as appliances as well. It’s safe to say there’s a virtual monopoly on cars, appliances, and electronics since there’s no distinction from the competition anymore since it’s just another copy from another company.
I may be apart of Gen Z but I don’t fall for the latest and greatest technology, reason why companies use the term “technology” is it’s nothing more than marketing. People will think it’s new when in reality it’s something that’s been rehashed from a few years ago to make people think it’s new when in reality it’s not. |