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Post# 762795   6/10/2014 at 15:03 (3,579 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Or should I say something old?? As part of their road trip, Mike (dishwashercrazy) and Todd (varicyclevoice) played the part of delivery people (There will be a detailed thread about their trip soon) and crossed over into Canada for a visit this past weekend.
And a 'hitchhiker' jumped in the truck with them...
What can this be? A 'Deluxe' something or another, it would seem! |
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Post# 762797 , Reply# 1   6/10/2014 at 15:04 (3,579 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 762814 , Reply# 2   6/10/2014 at 16:42 (3,579 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 762949 , Reply# 3   6/11/2014 at 00:54 (3,579 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 762960 , Reply# 4   6/11/2014 at 02:53 (3,579 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Post# 762967 , Reply# 5   6/11/2014 at 05:23 (3,579 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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What is it??
I don't recognize that GE logo though! Hmmph !
I don't think GE used the term "Deluxe" on anything pre-Automatic, so this is a GE Automatic! There mystery solved!!
Bastards !!
Or maybe its one of those Canadian-thingys --you know parallel universe GE?? Like the Mercury Meteor??? Talk about parallel !!
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Post# 762981 , Reply# 6   6/11/2014 at 07:11 (3,578 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 762984 , Reply# 7   6/11/2014 at 07:13 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Well, there are some sharp eyes out there!!
Eddie, you win, because you spotted it first.
Phil, what a coincidence, my first GE fridge was also a deluxe, but it's not a fridge.
Darren, I know that you know... You got a sneak preview, didn't you??
And so did you Ken (and thank you for the information about it that Mike passed along to me!!)
Jon, I swear it's not Canadian. But it's Automatic for sure!! |
Post# 762986 , Reply# 8   6/11/2014 at 07:19 (3,578 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 762987 , Reply# 9   6/11/2014 at 07:22 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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No, Greg, I'd have to post in Super...
Oh, silly me. I forgot the photos I took yesterday... |
Post# 762989 , Reply# 10   6/11/2014 at 07:28 (3,578 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 762992 , Reply# 11   6/11/2014 at 08:20 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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It is indeed a pre-Filter-Flo washer! It's a model 1 WA 450K1, Serial Number 3219960. It's a two-belt model, 0ne-speed, One-Cycle. The 'K' in the model number would date it to 1953; I believe that this model and the 1954 'L' models are pretty much identical.
I was astonished to see the 'crown' flexible pump coupling and the clutch assembly above the motor this early on!
Power cord and hoses were gone but I did a little creative rewiring anyway....
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Post# 762993 , Reply# 12   6/11/2014 at 08:22 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 762994 , Reply# 13   6/11/2014 at 08:26 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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I have more video of the machine agitating, pausing, then going into a spin again (the Rinse portion of the cycle) but I'll need to edit that before posting it.
Ken passed along some interesting information to Mike about this washer - the water level control kicks in based on how much is detected by a control in the agitator. I've never seen anything quite like it!! There is a 'Water Saver' button, though, that would allow you to start agitation at any time (ie - how I did the 'dry activation' test).
The tub is in surprisingly good condition, too!!
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Post# 762999 , Reply# 14   6/11/2014 at 08:39 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Although I was thrilled to find the machine runs, I will still have plenty to do before I make a slot in the Ogden Laundry for this one.
First of all the motor needs an overhaul. I had some trouble getting it to start up, so I suspect the bearings are swimming in goo.
Second, I will assume all water seals are shot. I'll bet the turquoise Lady K that the tub boot is dried out and will leak like the proverbial sieve if I was to put water into this now. I expect I will also need to carefully inspect and likely replace any seals around the water level control.
Third, I think it may be wise to do an overhaul of the transmission. This machine has been sitting unused for a LOOOONNNNG time and I fear the transmission oil may be as thick as the 'Speed Queen Molasses' that Jon posted about recently.
So, for once,the turquoisedude is NOT blindly running into a restoration project with high hopes and band-aid solutions that ultimately have to be redone (I learned that much from the seemingly-never-ending Inglis and GE Combo projects).
Now, here's what I am fishing for... I would like to get the service manual for this washer before I start in on it. If anyone has a lead on one or sees one up for sale, please let me know!!
One very positive note - the timer works!! I said a novena to Sonny Service for that... LOL In the meantime, though, I think I have information to get the motor out and send it to my buddies in Magog for a once-over! Stay tuned!!
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Post# 763000 , Reply# 15   6/11/2014 at 08:45 (3,578 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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OMG, OMG, OMG !!!!!!!!!
She had a piece of plastic taped over the Water Saver button because she used to get shocked with her wet hands from pushing the clothes down in the water. Love the roar of the pump while washing and rinsing. More later. Congrats Paul. I love tht machine. The matching dryer was on CL last winter. I'll send you the pic later |
Post# 763001 , Reply# 16   6/11/2014 at 08:49 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 763004 , Reply# 17   6/11/2014 at 09:00 (3,578 days old) by jamman_98 (Columbia, SC)   |   | |
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Ok What's the backstory on getting this machine? Where was it? Who had it? etc.
I was looking at Robert 1947 GE he posted pictures on a while back and it looks like the water travels down the inside of the agitator to activate the agitation just like Robert's. There's a 6 year difference between the machines but I would bet you may find some similarities in them. I do think a service manual before deconstruction would be wise on this project. Jamman_98 Joe |
Post# 763006 , Reply# 18   6/11/2014 at 09:10 (3,578 days old) by ken (NYS)   |   | |
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Lucky dog. It amazes me how others here are lucky in finding the machines they have. Id be interested in the details too of you finding and acquiring this.
I posted the CL ad here for that matching dryer that was in Trumbull, CT. It had a price of $49.00. I gave some thought to getting it myself but didnt feel like driving out there to get it. |
Post# 763011 , Reply# 19   6/11/2014 at 09:22 (3,578 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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That is a very very Nice washer Paul. That is insane that it starts to spin in four tries. Is that still a Rude Goldberg design like Roberts machine ? Pictures to follow. Darren k This post was last edited 06/11/2014 at 09:59 |
Post# 763020 , Reply# 20   6/11/2014 at 09:58 (3,578 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Joe, Ken - do you remember a thread that was up in Shopper's Square for a group of "Antique 1937 Appliances"? I had commented that one picture seemed to show what I thought was a 1954 GE washer. Well, I was pretty close! LOL John (combo52) generously agreed to get the washer for me and when Mike and Todd were in Beltsville last week, they loaded 'er up and brought 'er to Ogden. The house was a beautiful Tudor-style, apparently. Owned by a well-to-do doctor, there were several older but leading-edge-for-the-time appliances (there was a 1946 GE dishwasher and very early Frigidaire/Hamilton dryer). The house had simply not been updated and the original items remained. The new owner is, of course, renovating and did not want to keep them.
Ken, I went back to see if that dryer was still around and it isn't... That doesn't mean I won't ever find one, though!!
Darren, yes, that agitator is very much like Robert's. Not sure who exactly designed it - I don't know a lot about these earlier GE's. Glad you got a chance to 'meet' the new team member in person!! LOL
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Post# 763030 , Reply# 21   6/11/2014 at 10:49 (3,578 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 763052 , Reply# 22   6/11/2014 at 13:51 (3,578 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 763067 , Reply# 23   6/11/2014 at 15:45 (3,578 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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I definitely have to get up to hear and see that machine run. I have never forgot the sounds that machine makes. I was almost afraid of it when I was about 4 years old listening to that pump roar.
Of course I overcame that in a jiffy. LOL I believe the overflow rinse lasts from the beginning of the rinse cycle up to the last minute of the agitation of the rinse cycle. During that last minute the pump "clears it's throat" for the "DRY" cycle. As I recall, it has a really decent spin speed. It's not 1140 RPM or is it ? |
Post# 763069 , Reply# 24   6/11/2014 at 15:59 (3,578 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )   |   | |
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Post# 763191 , Reply# 25   6/12/2014 at 08:20 (3,577 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 763396 , Reply# 26   6/13/2014 at 06:46 (3,576 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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That tub looks to me to be in great condition as does the activator cap !! Vacuum it OUT Wanda !!
Eddie is right that roar is you pump bearing. I think Larry has these in stock.
Unbelievable with 4 tries you got it started!
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Post# 763407 , Reply# 27   6/13/2014 at 07:48 (3,576 days old) by tennblondie78 (Bowling Green, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 763416 , Reply# 28   6/13/2014 at 08:55 (3,576 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 764116 , Reply# 29   6/16/2014 at 22:40 (3,573 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)   |   | |
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Hello Paul and everyone, It has been so chaotic here at home since returning from my (along with Todd) trip to the Northeast, that I just have not had any time to compose my trip report. Please be patient with me. I'll try to get it up this week. In the meantime: Todd and I stopped in Parma and visited for three hours with Larry and Ray at Modern Parts. Sharon arrived just as we were about to walk out the door, but took time to shoot this picture of she and Larry. The second photo shows the two parts that Larry had for the 1WA450K1 GE Washer: WH8X58 Seal Assembly, and WH23X39 Pump. No boot, or Agitator Bearing, or control dial. Mike |
Post# 764119 , Reply# 30   6/16/2014 at 22:49 (3,573 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)   |   | |
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To partially answer Joe and Ken's question, here is a photo of the house where the 1WA450K1 GE Washer came from, on Morningside Drive, in the far northern corner of Washington DC. A middle age couple had recently bought the home and plan on spending the next three months renovating the property with hopes of moving in sometime in October. Charlie the new owner told us that it was really run down, giving the example that some of the down spouts and such were held in place with duct tape. Mike
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Post# 764387 , Reply# 31   6/18/2014 at 13:03 (3,571 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Mike, thanks so much for your detour to Modern and finding those parts for the 53 GE washer!! I've emailed you to make further arrangements and payment.
In the meantime, I've edited down this video that Mike also shot back on June 8th while I was testing the machine. The video quality is not the best, but you'll see why I am so gushy during this video... LOL
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Post# 764956 , Reply# 32   6/21/2014 at 13:59 (3,568 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 765051 , Reply# 33   6/21/2014 at 21:05 (3,568 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 765212 , Reply# 34   6/22/2014 at 12:27 (3,567 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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WOW Paul I am glad this machine seems to mostly work, and I am glad we could drag it out of the basement of the cool old house where it spent its whole life.
This washer was GEs 2nd AW design and only was built for a few years, it always looked like a clever design to me but I have had almost no experience repairing this short lived design. It has two clutches on the motor, one grabs in one direction and the other grabs in the other direction, designing the washer with belts and clutches allowed a much faster spin speed without affecting the agitation speed. I don't know exactly how fast these machines spin but from the pulley sizes it looks like it should spin somewhat north of 900 RPMs. With the two clutches it eliminated the troublesome helix spring in the transmission that made GE washer transmissions one of the least reliable of almost all AW washers over the last 60 years, including the plastic tub GEs made after 1995. John L. Paul the noises that your machine is making may be clutch bearings and of coerce you can also hear the agitator dragging on the bottom of the wash basket [ this is usually caused by a worn agitator and agitator drive block ] but you will not hear that sound when you have water in it. |
Post# 765215 , Reply# 35   6/22/2014 at 12:47 (3,567 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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