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Thread Number: 54047
Who thinks moderns of washers of today should bring back true wash and rinse tempatures? |
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| Post# 763997 6/16/2014 at 14:12 (3,595 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
Hello to all aw members who think washing machines company should bring back true wash and rinse tempatures?
like exemple: Hot water wash with warm rinse Hot water wash with cold rinse Warm water wash with warm rinse Warm water wash with cold rinse Cold water wash with cold rinse (*but with a switch to trigger a warm rinse if needed) And credit to the original members who pictures i am using if any and see pictures for exemple and not washers with dumb down water tempatures? Thank you | ||
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| Post# 764000 , Reply# 1 6/16/2014 at 14:18 (3,595 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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I do. But a TL Speed Queen is the closest thing I can find. | ||
| Post# 764020 , Reply# 2 6/16/2014 at 15:42 (3,595 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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| Post# 764053 , Reply# 4 6/16/2014 at 17:36 (3,595 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i remember when i had this set from 1993 to 2004
I remember when i use to own an inglis superb II washer i set it to hot to washe bedding and water was hot during the fill since i saw steam while filling and water was truly warm when i wash in warm water when needed to and if i had to buy a vintage washer because the newer set are to costly i would go with this set that has 5 wash tempatures including a warm rinse or thios set harvest gold of cousefor the vintage set since i like yellow
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| Post# 764444 , Reply# 5 6/18/2014 at 17:10 (3,593 days old) by JeffG () | ||
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[raising hand] Don't buy into the lies. The only time cottons should ever touch cold water is when you're stuck in the rain. And 90% of what we wear today is cotton. | ||
| Post# 764481 , Reply# 7 6/18/2014 at 19:32 (3,593 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 764538 , Reply# 8 6/19/2014 at 04:03 (3,593 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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| Post# 764545 , Reply# 9 6/19/2014 at 05:30 (3,593 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
Second Harley, count me in....
Actually there are many features of the past and new that I would include in today's always more eco saving prone configurations that are ignored, forgotten, automatic/ fix mixing of hot water is just idiotic though. Suds saving comes first Second may be automatic timed soak, thanks to which you may allow to run the washer at night when you're not in a hurry to get your stuff done quickly, let detergent act longer, decrease mechanical action/longer agitation needed and higher temperatures needed. Solid tub configuration, to avoid extra water ending in the outer tub for nothing. All what's used is in the basket. Etc etc etc... This post was last edited 06/19/2014 at 06:38 | ||
| Post# 764550 , Reply# 11 6/19/2014 at 06:24 (3,592 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Yes very correct Henene, ATC is somewhat sensed if it also offers along with it a wide range of automatic cycle variations in terms of time, otherwise known and identifiable in poor words and in a much simpler way in older Euro BOL ATC ( programmer only) and not machines, as that" E" button/feature, that allows longer cycle times and decreased temp, once it was optional, today many do that automatically, they takes even longer...
But there is no way how it should fill water mixed if you set hot and you want a real hot wash...they should let you be able to do that. In todays bosch and siemens as for sone others MOL and TOL models of different makers for example looks like you still have the choice of two 60 degrees cycles, one supposed to be the same of a 95 Wash, actually not IMO, but of course giving far better results than the normal one shorter, if the normal was long, this is eternal....but still very good thing if you are not in a hurry. However I find that a soak kinda like a BIO soak is much more better.....but you really have to have more time to spend...either ways also an optional cycle time extension feature would be wise to add in any hot fill machine as well, so agitator, pulsator, washplate, rollers, h axis when your heat water source is an electric or expensive one and you'd like to mix it in this istance. Also, one thing that could be improved, is the insulation of the washtub or outer tub...to avoid water to loose it's heat due to longer wash times using such features. As always I think features like these should be given as a choice, not make it unchangeable as they do...this is wrong IMO. This post was last edited 06/19/2014 at 09:40 | ||
| Post# 765443 , Reply# 12 6/23/2014 at 16:15 (3,588 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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I would like to have all brands bring back true hot water washes not the dumbed down idea of hot, and use a decent amount of clear water for rinses,but as far as I know it's not going to happen in the USA. You can't even fool the machine by adding hot water yourself. Just ain't gonna happen. | ||
Post# 765564 , Reply# 13 6/24/2014 at 10:49 (3,587 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Hot Water Use In New Washers
There are machines where you can still get a hot wash, problem is the total hot water use per load is limited for good reason, so only low water use washers are going to be able to use a hotter wash. And anything but a cold rinse will be the norm here and around the world, as there is NO PROVEN benefit in rinsing clothing in 100F water vs 50F and if there is a slight benefit it does not come close to the cost of heating all that water.
As one of the few people on this site that not only repairs and sells most major brands of washers, and deals with customers everyday I can say that very few customers are disappointed with their new Hi Efficiency washers. I feel that our area has about a 50-50 mix of older non HE washers and new HE washers and most of the customers with HE FL machines are much happier with the new machines. We live in a world where we must all do reasonable things so as not to kill other people by excessive air pollution and for the same reason you cannot buy a car anywhere in the world without a catalytic converter, the same is going to apply to about any appliance that uses significant amounts of energy. John L. PS SQ is about to discontinue TL washers that fill with all hot water, better buy one this year if you want it. | ||
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Post# 765599 , Reply# 15 6/24/2014 at 13:49 (3,587 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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So... ... will they just change the filling temperature, add an ATC or what are all US SQ fans are about to get hit with? | ||
| Post# 765601 , Reply# 16 6/24/2014 at 13:54 (3,587 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Is not about Speed Queen fans, it's just that speed Queen is the last maker making Top loaders as they should be and they're loved for that, it involves all the ones like me who can't find HE machines good and will have to deal with the old good TL forcedly brought to be same or worse of a HE or FL, so what is happened to all the others and that will happen with Speed Queen even though they tried their darndest to delay this as much as possible, this will translate for people like me in having to get an HE at all costs (unless you opt for used and or vintage), this is mostly but not only accomplished by no longer allowing you to run a full load hot wash ie max water level ie with real plain hot water from your hot water source, , but they will rather mix it with cold even if you set hot..or at best will rather allow you to fill just half a tub with real hot water, so partial load " real" hot wash, for full loads so water level they will automatically mix it with cold no matter what you set making it actually a warm wash or even barely warm "hot wash".
This has little to do with ATC, even though this change has started to come with ATC models, but is not because of it, is because these idiotic govt regulations.....Better say dictations. I think it's time for another "send your underwear to the undersecretary" round..... This post was last edited 06/24/2014 at 18:25 | ||
| Post# 765611 , Reply# 17 6/24/2014 at 14:30 (3,587 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 765657 , Reply# 20 6/24/2014 at 18:51 (3,587 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Sigh | ||
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Post# 765676 , Reply# 21 6/24/2014 at 19:42 (3,587 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Our Government DOES Have The right To Regulate Energy Use
Because myself and MILLIONS of other Americans elected the goverment, and as I alluded to earlier I have had almost no one complain about new washers, Consumer Reports for instance has noted NO reduction in cleaning effectiveness of new washers and DWs, I fact as many AW members have stated that their new HE washers are more effective in nearly all ways.
If anyone has proof of these silly claims that new washers do not get the job done lets see it. John L. | ||
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Post# 765680 , Reply# 23 6/24/2014 at 20:04 (3,587 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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 Didn't Frigilux once compare his Speed Queen to his front loader?
[Found it] CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 765687 , Reply# 25 6/24/2014 at 20:34 (3,587 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Our Government DOES Have The right To Regulate Energy Use | ||
| Post# 765690 , Reply# 26 6/24/2014 at 20:45 (3,587 days old) by JeffG () | ||
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I don't deny that at all. It's why our federal government is $17.6 trillion in debt and in de facto bankruptcy. | ||
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Post# 765693 , Reply# 27 6/24/2014 at 20:58 (3,587 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Not Eactly Energy Per Se
But the EPA clearly has the authority to monitor and protect the quality of air in regard to pollutants, and that is where much of the powers to regulate power plants resides.
The other power though limited comes from the EPA being able to promote energy efficiency but cannot mandate. The Energy Star program is totally voluntary but has seen success. Of course the federal government has vast powers to regulate interstate commerce. Since electric and gas lines often run through several states there you are then. What is interesting is the EPA was created by president Nixon via executive order, and not by Congress. This has lead many critics to claim the agency is "illegal" and does not have any authority. Nixon basically did what Obama and many other presidents have done; use his power as head of the executive branch of government to reorganize various parts into creating the EPA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reorganizat... It is also important to remember since the EPA was created by a president subsequent executive orders could alter its mission. Also Congress can simply do so as well or more importantly withhold funding to bring the agency to heel. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 765876 , Reply# 31 6/25/2014 at 14:12 (3,586 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 765892 , Reply# 33 6/25/2014 at 15:04 (3,586 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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I think it would best if we
Let's just slow down with insults and denigrations, can't discuss much about combo's customers or people who likes HE machines can't really deny that there are, like nobody can't deny there are folks hating them, I don't know these HE customers combos talks about as I don't know ones putting good ratings in various websites, as I don't know ones doing the opposite even though I share their experience, so don't know their laundry habits or expectations or canons ....they could actually be happy with what they got, after all, you have tons people claiming washing in cold but running industrial chlorine quantities for their whites...or also people washing with 1 spoon of soap, there are really thousands cases we could not mention, take in exam or discuss here....anyway can't speak for them except but my own, you can say they're likely dumb and can't recognize a clean wash, they could say you're likely dumb because you can't use HE properly to get clean wash. All on the base of individual/personal and different cases. So? There is no actual and factual point to go further and speak, and going over and over in speeches unless you take in exams really countless aspects ....we'll not get anything from it.
I think and know I am not dumb as much as they think and knows I am in their heads. Do we really wanna go ahead... I think it's lost time on both the sides of discussion. Can't really see where this will lead. But we can keep pacifically speak experiences and thoughts and report all the ones of who experienced and think about it like us...and defend our ideas to be accepted as we should accept others as long as we do not get too much off topic. You can also call in cause any national consumer bullettin reports you wish thinking you are showing undeniable thruts....but I could easily reply goverments has his "fingers"everywhere....and it has been widely known since kinda always that when they want people to believe something they surely have any tools to accomplish that in any ways they can, and will do that. As everyone and every situation is different, we have no right to determine and do pseudo-authoritarian speeches as indivuduals or as an online community on what's universally smarter or dumber, right or wrong when it comes in machines preference...otherwise we do the same thing of the govt. I think that to make things ok: We just have to think what REALLY makes everyone happy, bothways no matter what......as long as there is tolerance and freedom for everyone there's nothing to argue or fight about, and anyways surely not blame, attack or even emphathize like undeniable universal thruths both ones having good or bad experiences and findings about HE, as long as they both don't think you should be the same of them and force you to believe all what they believe into (so for those believing in green theories and all that matter)....it's allright in co-existence. Finaly all this will likely and almost inevitably boil down to fully political: You can say it's right or wrong what gov is doing, you are entitled to your views. We can turn this discussion in another controversial endless economic- ecological-political one and have it turned on dirty forum as well, like the dryers one... really endless and really " hell-hot"topic. BUT I also think Automaticwasher.org is surely not the place where worlds or today's America's problems will be solved.....so rants for rants, little use they'll have. So sometimes It's just better to " get a grip" or avoid going on heavy discussions. But I admit myself this isn't often easy..... Heck it is not! This post was last edited 06/25/2014 at 17:23 | ||
| Post# 765961 , Reply# 35 6/25/2014 at 18:56 (3,586 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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I most assuredly could washer111 but I won't. Just too tired right now. 2 nights of intense storms left me with about 4 hours sleep total. Really dragging right now. Can't even stay focused on the Karate Kid. As Mr. Han would say, my focus needs more focus. | ||
| Post# 765978 , Reply# 36 6/25/2014 at 19:29 (3,586 days old) by JeffG () | ||
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"Politics in a thread again where it doesn't belong." It's impossible to discuss this subject without it, at least here in the U.S. | ||
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Post# 765987 , Reply# 37 6/25/2014 at 20:02 (3,586 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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 "CR, a rather poor substitute for toilet paper by the way, will NEVER test a SQ TL. Never. Even if you or I show up on their doorstep with one, it will never happen."
Consumer Reports has tested the Speed Queen AWN542 top-loader. They also tested the top-of-the-line SQ front-loader, but the top-loader is the one in question, here.
Speed Queen AWN542: Overall score of 29
Washing Performance: Good
Energy Efficiency: Good
Water Efficiency: Poor
Capacity: Good
Gentleness: Good
Noise: Good
For the sake of comparison, their top-ranked top-loader is the LG WT5680HVA: Overall score of 73
Washing Performance: Excellent
Energy Efficiency: Very Good
Water Efficiency: Very Good
Capacity: Excellent
Gentleness: Good
Noise: Very Good
EDIT: I do not know why everything is quadruple-spaced in this post. I activated the Editing Bar and this is how it turned out. Deactivated it for this addendum. Just wanted to make sure everyone understood I wasn't vying for "Largest Post Of The Week" or anything, LOL. | ||
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Post# 765992 , Reply# 38 6/25/2014 at 20:15 (3,586 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 765996 , Reply# 39 6/25/2014 at 20:29 (3,586 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Well Frig I stand corrected See, I haven't subscribed in many years nor do I even look at them in the supermarket. Thus, my SQ will safely reside in it's current location until sometime next year when I raise the scratch to buy a home. | ||
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Post# 765997 , Reply# 40 6/25/2014 at 20:38 (3,586 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Not a problem, Ben; just wanted to clarify.
Full disclosure to members: I own an AWN542, although it is not my daily driver. Despite the difference in scores between the LG and the SQ, I am purchasing an SQ pair for my sister on her birthday next month. I'm not a fan of impeller-based top-loaders. She and her husband just moved to a condo and the Whirlpool pair left behind by the former owners are on their last legs. She is used to using top-loaders, and I think the very traditional SQ will be the best fit for her. They don't produce much laundry, so the energy costs won't be an issue. Personally, I am a strong proponent of modern front-loaders, which provide great cleaning, large capacity, ultra-fast spin speeds, and superior water and energy efficiency. This post was last edited 06/25/2014 at 21:29 | ||
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Post# 766003 , Reply# 42 6/25/2014 at 20:58 (3,586 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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It is my understanding that LG solved the "exploding" problem with their new models (like the one referenced above) which have metal support brackets for the suspension rods, heavier-duty shock absorbers, and air bags.
Of course, that doesn't excuse them for having produced the exploding top-loaders in the first place--and then "fixing" the recalled models via software changes that radically reduced spin speeds. File under: Shoddy Corporate Behavior This post was last edited 06/25/2014 at 21:35 | ||
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Post# 766033 , Reply# 45 6/25/2014 at 23:42 (3,586 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Melting human skin... Why am I thinking about "The day after"? XD Anyway, I am happy with what EU producers did: Expelling dumbed down temps to a specified Eco cycle. | ||
| Post# 766041 , Reply# 46 6/26/2014 at 00:12 (3,586 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
In regards to the reason the majority of people with HE impeller style washers are unhappy with them, just watch this video. Skip towards the middle if you want to get to the "action". This is with a decent sized load of clothes, and yet there is barely any water to be seen, and the clothes are hardly moving, much less wet. I have heard of these washers working well, but 9/10 of those people that have said that also stated that it worked well with only small loads, where the clothes can move and flex. I take most reviews with a grain of salt; Consumer Reports is a regulated joke, and I quickly dismiss anything that uses simple phrases like "Great washer" or "I love it", but you can tell when a review is sincere because they actually go into a bit of detail about what they like, along with what they dislike, and when you read the detailed reviews from people that are unhappy with their product, they all align with the same sentence "The clothes barely move, and some are even still dry". What's more, you can find many videos of these washers, all with the same results.
The point is, you simply can't get good results with the amount of water these machines use, regardless of how it operates. There's just not enough for it to flow through the clothes and suspend the dirt and soap. The lack of hot, or even decently warm water furthers the problem, because no matter what the "engineers" or DOE think, oils and most dirt can't liquefy and break loose without heat. I think it will get to a point where health concerns will emerge, and most likely it will be from long term effects of what's being put in our detergents. We're taking away all the natural resources that are needed to perform well, and replacing them with strong chemicals to do the job that common sense physics does perfectly already. I don't know why money is not being invested more into finding ways to recycle our water more efficiently, only to be told that we just need to use less (I wouldn't be surprised if one day we're told to adjust our bodies to need less water as well), and why it's okay for chemicals to replace what heat does naturally, but like some of the other points stated earlier, that's for a different forum. CLICK HERE TO GO TO murando531's LINK | ||
| Post# 766043 , Reply# 47 6/26/2014 at 00:23 (3,586 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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My ideal washer, if I had no choice but to own an HE TL or FL, would be first and foremost something that gave me the option to use what I needed. If a washer complied with regulations on default settings but also allowed the user to choose true hot tap water when needed, or increase the water level for extra heavy loads *without* using the "Bulky/Bedding" cycle, I think both sides would be happy.
Washers used to have that choice, like the Maytag Atlantis with the Auto Temp control option. You COULD use it if you wanted and it would regulate the temperature to save energy, but you weren't forced to. The same goes for ATC units now. It's not that we don't welcome the idea of the machine saving hot water for the sake of lowering energy use, but hot water is a requirement now and then, and the consumer should be allowed to disable the ATC in those scenarios. Give me a washer that allows me to do that without jumping through hoops to hack into the machine, and I'll gladly use the normal eco settings under everyday conditions. | ||
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Post# 766422 , Reply# 49 6/27/2014 at 23:54 (3,584 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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"Consumer Reports is a regulated joke."
Regulated how and by whom? Provide evidence that this is a statement based in fact. This post was last edited 06/28/2014 at 00:20 | ||
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Post# 766428 , Reply# 50 6/28/2014 at 01:48 (3,584 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Consumer Reports IS a joke-that is why I no longer subscribe to them-their product reviews are becoming a laughing stock!Esp their vacuum reports! | ||
| Post# 766461 , Reply# 51 6/28/2014 at 09:46 (3,583 days old) by JeffG () | ||
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