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Post# 766064   6/26/2014 at 03:45 (3,563 days old) by allan (Las Vegas)        

Hi,

I bought an LG WM1355HW front loader last week to replace a low-end, 17 year-old GE top loader that broke down for the 3rd and final time. So far, I love the LG (it's my first front loader ever) and am using Nellie's All Natural Laundry Soda:

nelliesallnatural.com/internal/QU...

I use 1 tablespoon (or one scoop) as directed. The machine is 2.7 cubic feet capacity and the water in my little apartment is soft. I chose this detergent because I read that it doesn't create a lot of suds which means less chance of moldy smell, and I wanted to use something a bit more eco-friendly after years of using Tide, Sunlight, etc.

So far, I've only done 5-6 loads, and the Nellie's soda seems to dissolve very well. There is indeed little to no sudsing. I have so far resisted the temptation to put in more than one scoop per load. Also, the detergent dispenser drawer is clean as a whistle after every load--no undissolved powder left behind.

But I found this webpage that says powered detergents can damage a washer compared to liquid detergents:

washerfan.com/faqs.htm...

"Liquid vs. powder HE soap. This statement stirs a lot of debate. The Washer Fan™ team has personally worked on and completely dismantled dozens of washers. We have observed that powdered soap can literally destroy a washer because of the un-dissolved powder residue that coats internal parts. A washer with an internal coating of powdered soap residue is prone to mechanical failure and is more expensive to fix than its replacement value. We have disassembled washers whose owners used way more than the recommended amount of liquid detergent that resulted in a slight film coating on all internal parts. We determined that the film coating didn't damage the washers and that average use expectancy was not shortened; however, there was a severe mold and odor problem. In the final analysis, don't use powdered detergent in your washer and use the recommended 1 to 2 tablespoons of liquid HE detergent to reduce mold and odor."

So now I am confused and concerned. Should I continue using the powdered type, or should I switch to liquid? I want this washer to last as long as possible.

Thanks for any advice you can give me!

Allan

P.S. I posted this in the "Super" forum but I really wanted to post it here. I'm so sorry for the cross post!


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Post# 766067 , Reply# 1   6/26/2014 at 03:53 (3,563 days old) by funktionalart (Rison, AR)        
From one LG owner to another....

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Allan,
For what it's worth, I can tell you that if you stay this diligent about your machine and utilise the liquid HE type as I do then you likely will have no problems.

I've the black version of your machine (larger capacity model WM2277HB) which I bought in 2006. ZERO issues. I couldn't be happier. Never have I experienced any of the "issues" many complainers on "review" sites have stated regarding newer front loaders and LG's in particular. After all these years, my machine's dispensers are gleaming clean, and I've not ever experienced the musty/mouldy odours so many folks mention. Recently I removed the deck lid just to inspect things--not any signs of leakages, misdirected detergent, etc.

On a side note, though--alot of buyers of this sort of machine think there's something wrong because they're used to seeing a huge drum full of sudsy water that top loaders of years past gave--so they pile in the detergent thinking it'll help clean clothing better. LG specify something on the order of 2 tbsp HE....but I'm guilty of always having used 3-4. No trouble (for me) so far.

Not long ago I looked at buying a "parts" machine for down the road in case this one ever gave up on me. Can't tell you how many I saw which had abundant evidence of undissolved powder in dispensers.....caked on everywhere and plenty of softener residue. They really looked horrible. A great deal of users are pretty clueless and careless--amazing considering what these machines cost! Hope this is of some help!

Allen


Post# 766072 , Reply# 2   6/26/2014 at 04:18 (3,563 days old) by washer111 ()        

IMO, it was always the LIQUID detergents I've heard the caused trouble - not powders. Perhaps in hard water areas, but certainly not with soft water. 

 

Liquids do not have bleaching ability, and don't deal with oils as well. 

 

And if you're uber concerned, then perhaps avoid liquid fabric softeners. Replace with vinegar, or use very little doses instead. 

 

The best idea regarding this (which SOME may debate) would be washing your clothes at the CORRECT temperatures. Newer machines do have Automatic Temperature Control, so you'll have to alter your cycle selections to circumvent this. 

If you have a model with a heater - then use it regularly (on Sanitise or "Whitest Whites"). 

 

With almost any detergent, at the correct dosage for the soil and load size, with the right temperature, you'll NEVER have issues with mold. 

Keep the Door and Detergent-Dispenser ajar, just to be safe.

 

FYI - There is NO need for expensive cleaning products in these machines. Use the correct wash temperature and detergent, keep the door open and you'll be fine. 

Those products are designed for folks who wash in Cold water exclusively, use fabric-softener and under/over dose their Liquid detergent product :D


Post# 766087 , Reply# 3   6/26/2014 at 05:32 (3,563 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Although I use the pod format these days (usually Tide or Wisk's offerings) I've used powders for years in front-loaders without any problems. Have never seen undissolved powder in the dispenser drawer, inside the washer or on clothes. Like you, I have very soft water.

If you like Nellie's, and you're not seeing undissolved detergent on clothes, use it. I see from your link that they make a pod version as well. Might have to give them a try.

Enjoy your new LG! They make great front-loaders.


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Post# 766215 , Reply# 4   6/26/2014 at 16:55 (3,562 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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A few tips and tricks to ensure your machine stays sweet-smelling

 

- If you prefer cooler wash temperatures, liquid detergent and fabric softener....then do a HOT wash (60c plus) at least every other week to properly clean the outer drum.

 

- Powder detergent is best. In this country at least, the cleaning power of the leading powdered detergents is at least 10% higher than the liquid equivalent.

 

- People who use powder rarely complain about their machines smelling manky and going mouldy - it tends to be cool/liquid/fabric conditioner users.

 

- NEVER keep the door closed on a front load machine if it isn't actually washing - it creates a lovely, moist environment for mould.

 

- WIPE the door seal out when you have finished washing....leave the door ajar with a dry face-flannel folded over the top of the door between the door and the seal so it can't fully close and simply push it to.

 

- If you're a person who washes some things in cooler water, but others in hot...such as sheets, wash the 'HOT' washes last....especially if you don't use fabric conditioner in those particular loads. This will prevent you having to do a maintenance wash.

 

- Continual COOL/COLD washes, particularly with liquid detergent and combined with fabric conditioner causes a sticky grey 'gloop' referred to as SCRUD to accumulate between the drums of ALL machines. A HOT wash every week or so, powdered detergent and reducing or not using fabric conditioner will prevent it completely.

 

Finally, take 'advertorials' with a dose of cynicism.....


Post# 766279 , Reply# 5   6/27/2014 at 01:31 (3,562 days old) by allan (Las Vegas)        

Thanks for all the input everyone! Lots of excellent advice and points of view.

I think I will stick with the Nellie's for now because it barely causes any suds and seems to rinse completely. I don't see any residue at all in the drum, drawer, rubber gasket, etc, and my clothes don't have that soapy feel which is good because I have bit of eczema. I will avoid cold/cold washes if at all possible.


Post# 766309 , Reply# 6   6/27/2014 at 07:03 (3,562 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Am Glad You Are Happy With Nellie's Which Is What Matter

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However there is nothing "new" or special about the product.

Nellie's soda is simply a modern variation on using soda crystals/soda ash and soap to clean textiles. It has the added benefit of washer protection agents/anti-corrosive.

The stuff contains:

COCONUT OIL, SODIUM CARBONATE(soda ash), SODIUM METASILICATE, FATTY ALCOHOL ETHOXYLATE, SODIUM CHLORIDE (salt).

All and all not much different than many other of the powder *garage* or "boutique" private label products you find all over the Internet or sold by specialty retailers often at a high mark-up.

Washing soda and soap *will* get your laundry clean, lord knows that is how things were done for hundreds of years before modern detergents came along.


Post# 766315 , Reply# 7   6/27/2014 at 08:35 (3,562 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
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We don't have that detergent here, but the container it comes in is FABULOUS.

Post# 766329 , Reply# 8   6/27/2014 at 10:26 (3,561 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Price of Nellie's Laundry Soda:

100-use Container of Powder: $.21 per load

50-use Container of Nuggets (pacs): $.40 per load

You'd need to factor in the cost of shipping if ordered online.

AquaCycle: I agree--the container is pretty cool. I have enough detergent in the house to last 2 years, so the last thing I need is more; but I'm very tempted to order the Nuggets, just so I can reuse the container with other pods/pacs!


Post# 766339 , Reply# 9   6/27/2014 at 12:11 (3,561 days old) by washman (o)        
Frig, here's a "nugget" of advice

Stay with your PODS! :)

Post# 767472 , Reply# 10   7/2/2014 at 15:42 (3,556 days old) by cookietaster12 ()        

Keep using your Nellie's Detergent. If you simply follow the instructions, and use the proper cleaning cycle, per the owner's manual, then you will have no problems. I have had my Maytag 3000 Series set since April 2009, and I have never had an issue with mold or and residue. I use the proper amounts of detergent and fabric softer, and I run the cleaning cycle once a month as well. The most important thing for you to do is to keep the door ajar once you are finished your laundry so that the drum can air dry. This prevents the mold from having a place to grow and cause the foul smell. If you do those things, then you will have no issues with your front loader. ALWAYS FOLLOW the detergent instructions. ALWAYS!!!!!

Post# 767653 , Reply# 11   7/3/2014 at 11:18 (3,555 days old) by neptuneman ()        

I have seen many reviews online about Nellies and they are pretty positive. There is a discount store near me that sells this at a pretty good price. I have been wanting to give it a try.


What do you guys think about the Ozone producing machines? I have been using one for about two months now and the clothes seem fresher and the washer stays clean with no more odors. I still use a little detergent though.


Post# 767671 , Reply# 12   7/3/2014 at 13:39 (3,555 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Part me?

A ozone washer? Not one for domestic use, or missed I something?

Post# 767806 , Reply# 13   7/4/2014 at 00:46 (3,555 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa)        

We always only used powders and we have never ever had issues, even with using a handwash detergent in our front loader for many years. And my mom and I are both very particular about machine care.
Tried Ariel liquid when it came to SA but went back to powders because powders definitely clean better and last longer and are much cheaper than liquids


Post# 770683 , Reply# 14   7/13/2014 at 22:09 (3,545 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Allan-- Nellie's All Natural should thank you for advertising: I just ordered their Laundry Nuggets and their dishwasher powder. I would have ordered the dishwasher pacs but they don't come in the adorable little tin.

I'm fairly skeptical of the cleaning ability of "all natural" detergents, but I also like to try new products. If nothing else the Laundry Nuggets can be used for loads of bath towels, which aren't heavily soiled and need a clean-rinsing detergent.

They recommend their dishwasher detergent only to customers who have a water softener, which I do. We'll see how it does. If it doesn't clean well, I'll use the tin to store Cascade Complete pacs, which is what I normally use.


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Post# 770705 , Reply# 15   7/13/2014 at 23:50 (3,545 days old) by allan (Las Vegas)        
@Frigilux

So far, I like Nellie's because it doesn't seem to produce a lot of suds. In fact it produces so little that I'm always tempted to put in more. But I have refrained so far.

You should also try the Nellie's Oxygen Brightener. It seems to work well with my white work shirts.

I must admit that the container was the main thing that attracted me to the product. :)

I've scoured the internet for review of other detergents to try, and the only one that has me intrigued is the Persil stuff. It sure is expensive! I don't know if it's worth trying...


Post# 770706 , Reply# 16   7/13/2014 at 23:52 (3,545 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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The Nellie's tins make me miss when Electrasol had the Jetson's edition tins. I think my mom still has some actually.

Post# 770708 , Reply# 17   7/14/2014 at 00:15 (3,545 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Allan--- The Persil you saw online is probably made by Henkel (photo #1) and it's an excellent detergent, but no better than Tide with Bleach. It rinses clearer than Tide.

My favorite non-American detergent is Persil Bio made by Unilever which is sold in the UK (photo #2). Again, cleans as well as Tide, but rinses even clearer than the Henkel version. I've also used UK Ariel (photo #3) with great results, and I loved the scent. In the end, I felt Persil was marginally better at removing stains and the produced the clearer rinse water.

You can purchase the UK detergents from britsuperstoreonline.com. Prices for the detergents are reasonable, but the shipping costs will make your head spin. I used to order three 50-use boxes of Persil and the total bill would come to $158. (Note: I used around half the recommended dose in soft water, and consequently got many more than 50 uses per box.) The last of it was used a few weeks ago, and I don't plan to order it again, simply because Tide cleans just as well for a fraction of the cost, even though it is nearly impossible to get a truly clear rinse in super-soft water.

I'm dressed head-to-toe in black quite often for work, and love Perwoll Intensive Black (photo #4) which can be found at amazon.com. Cleans better than Woolite for Darks and keeps clothes blacker longer. Perwoll is a Persil-related detergent.


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Post# 770711 , Reply# 18   7/14/2014 at 01:09 (3,545 days old) by allan (Las Vegas)        

Frigilux, thanks for the tips!

I saw your other post in the "Super" forum about soap vs detergent. I guess I should be worried now because I've been using the Nellie's with a cold rinse. Maybe I'll start using a warm rinse from now on.

So I take it the Tide is a detergent and can be used with cold rinses? I never wash in cold water but I do use the cold rinse because it's the default setting on my LG front loader for the Cotton/Normal setting (which is what I mostly use).

I'd like to try the Bio Persil stuff but those shipping costs are prohibitive! :)


Post# 770762 , Reply# 19   7/14/2014 at 08:34 (3,545 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
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Our Persil is sold over Europe as Omo, so if you can find Omo Bio powder at a cheaper price, it's the same stuff.

The dosage on the box is a guide to the minimum amount of detergent you can get from the box. If you live in a soft water area, you'll need less detergent and subsequently get more out of a box than it states.

I can get away with about 50-60ml of Persil Bio in a front loader, more will be needed for a TL.

Frigilux, interesting to hear about the rinsing issues with Tide - thanks for that. I have used a Tide powder that was on sale in my local laundrette in little single wash boxes. It foamed up to high hell.

We have similar issues here with different detergents being better at others than rinsing. Like you, I have found Persil to be the best all-rounder, although I prefer the scent of Ariel.

In the UK, you really buy into 2 much larger companies. Unilever make Persil and Surf whereas P&G make Ariel, Daz, Bold and Fairy. Those are the detergents you always find in the cleaning aisles at the supermarket.


Post# 770790 , Reply# 20   7/14/2014 at 11:07 (3,544 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA)        
Persil...

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I would like to chime in here about Persil. I have been using nothing but Persil in my 2012 Frigidaire FL since November and can only recommend it, although some scathing tongues from Germany on this forum claimed those of us in the US who buy Persil are mad for paying what it costs here. I used to use Tide but I did not like the fact that I could never get it to completely rinse out of my clothes.

I became acquainted with Persil when I lived in Germany from 1994 to 2005. It cleans very well and doesn't leave an overpowering floral scent behind. Since the water here is relatively soft (under 3 grains), I can get by with using < 50 ml of detergent per load and everything comes out brilliantly. Persil Universal should not be used with colors, however. They sell Persil Gold, which is safe for colored items.


Post# 770830 , Reply# 21   7/14/2014 at 14:06 (3,544 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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For me, its FOCA, a POWDERED laundry detergent...

 

It's cheap, has environmentally-friendly packaging, and does a fairly good job, while also gentle on my laundry...!

 

 

 

-- Dave


Post# 770848 , Reply# 22   7/14/2014 at 15:16 (3,544 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Yes, Foca is good, not excellent but very good, especially for it's price.....I like it.
Can't gather to the chrous of " how good henkel persil is" as I don't find it anything special really, kinda average MOL one, can actually find even better ones over here and cheaper, when it sells on regular stock price...
But I buy it sometimes when on offer, and that's what I am using right now, as I bought a large 76 loads carton for 8 euros on 50% off at our "esselunga" store, when it usually sells for 16...otherwise it really isn't worth it, IMO, actually a waste just for a name...
P&G Dash has been considered the best in this country, but of course persil dixan is the following one in matter of fame, after all, it was the second ( better say) the other one detergent for automatic washing that came out at the same time of Dash, before in Italy we had Tide and Persil...
Now Dash lost some share, after it started to come in a new concentrated version which just don't give the same of the former, it actually looks like same stuff but higly priced...

As for the speech i heard some people do about dixan/persil being european or european detergents in general being developped for harder waters, cuz in europe we got harder water...well...
This is not what I know...really....
I never used this one in the Unites States to see how it behave in the alleged " different" american water,granted that while north east got soft water, great part of midwest got hard water, and it changes upon locations of course, but have used tons of american ones over here, and didn't notice any difference in matter of needing more, actually I need slightly less of the indications and in comparison to theones here, and we have very hard water in this area, ....so.....
Just comes out as a surprise to me...and weird to hear...difficult to believe.

I will not comment on the fact of the fortune Persil costs in the US....I can perfectly understand that some people may like it, and would spend more for it if it likes, after all this is what I do as well keeping buying American products every time.....and not just TOL offerings, but whatever gets my curiosity, and let me tell you, among the cheapest ones I discovered some really good ones i would actually buy for that high price every day....and that we would dream of to get for the same price over here...
It's such fun and nice to try foreign products and new ones, that's why I often organize detergents swaps.




Post# 770869 , Reply# 23   7/14/2014 at 16:09 (3,544 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Well, what's also environmentally-friendly about FOCA, is how it is in its own environment...

 

It does not get all rocky, turning into hunks & chunks of BRICKS, like other powdered detergents do...! (At least, so far, yet, it hasn't...)

 

 

 

-- Dave


Post# 770870 , Reply# 24   7/14/2014 at 16:17 (3,544 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Many Americans Seek out and or Swear by Persil

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Because for years it was the only decent low foaming detergent they could use in their Miele front loaders. Tide finally came out with an "HE" product but the early versions caused just as much froth (if one was not careful of dosing) as normal versions. Also many formulations of Tide powdered detergents are very heavy on builders which makes the stuff not always easy to rinse out of laundry.

Persil is expensive here because it is imported thus incurs mark-ups in price to reflect various duties and tariffs accrued along the way. Then of course MieleUSA and other vendors must make a profit.

P&G along with others now produce some quite good detergents for H-Axis washing machines so Persil isn't always wanted or needed. Many however still will use nothing else regardless. Was walking along East 57th Street a few months ago and saw a huge box of Persil being carried by a black delivery man. One assumes he was coming from Gracious Homes or perhaps the Miele store in the area since Home Depot on Third Avenue does not sell Persil. Product was likely destined for one of our households in Sutton Place.

Where Persil does shine against Tide powder is that both the megaperls and regular powder are much easier to rinse out than the former.

Finally still think European laundry detergents perform better with the longer and often profile wash cycles found in washing machines from that country. More so with the low water machines like my AEG-Oko Lavamat.


Post# 772569 , Reply# 25   7/22/2014 at 20:50 (3,536 days old) by allan (Las Vegas)        
Bought some Persil Megaperls

Well, I found a brick-and-mortar store that stocks Henkel Persil, and it's only a 10 minute walk from my home. Very convenient! They had many boxes in stock, so I thought I'd buy some and give them a try. The place is called Reliable Parts:

www.reliableparts.ca/locations/BC...

Anyway, I purchased one box each of the Color Megaperls and the Universal Megaperls, both rated for 48 loads each. The price was $41.95 Canadian per box. They also had the Universal Powder in stock which does 80 loads for $52.95, but the box was too darn big, lol.

I plan to use these mainly on my heavily soiled loads, such as grass stains, blood stains, etc. As Jerry Seinfeld once said:

“Now they show you how detergents take out bloodstains, a pretty violent image there. I think if you've got a T-shirt with a bloodstain all over it, maybe laundry isn't your biggest problem. Maybe you should get rid of the body before you do the wash.” Lol

I know the Tide HE Bleach Alternative probably cleans just as well, but I prefer a powder, and the powdered version of the Tide is impossible to find here where I live (I don't think it's even available in Canada). Plus, from everything that I've read so far, Persil rinses better than the Tide product, and this is very important to me.

I'll still use the Nellie's Laundry Soda for my lightly soiled loads. I really like it because it doesn't make me itch (I have mild eczema), and it's also readily available locally (I prefer not to buy online unless I have to). If the Persil stuff gives me any allergic reactions I will simply give them away to a relative or just restrict it to stuff that doesn't come directly in contact with my skin all day.

Anyway, I took some photos of the boxes for anyone else who is also thinking of trying out the stuff for the first time.


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Post# 772631 , Reply# 26   7/23/2014 at 08:17 (3,536 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Keep the dosage low...

We here have a waterhardness of 35° dh (don't know what this equals to in grains) and we don't even need more than 160ml on a big heavy soiled load. I suppose 100ml should be more than enough for you.
Further, as you bought the MegaPerls, make sure to wash at least warm and as long as possible. They don't dissolve that fast in my opinion. And, essentially, you probably could buy a oxy bleach agent and add it to the color Persil to use it for whites. Should end up the same.


Post# 772658 , Reply# 27   7/23/2014 at 12:02 (3,535 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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What? 35° water hardness? Insane! We have 16° and I find that too much already.

 

German hardness and American grains per gallon are almost identical - so your water would be 36.5 gpg. What is also important to note is that the dosage instructions on Persil boxes relate to German water hardness values. German "soft" water is already considered "hard" in the US. For us it's:

 

Soft = less than 8.3 grains

Medium = less than 14.6 grains

Hard = more than 14.6 grains

 

According to Wiki, the United States Geological Survey considers 8 gpg as "hard water" water.


Post# 772671 , Reply# 28   7/23/2014 at 14:09 (3,535 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
35° dh

Well, we live in a area where lots of stone ( especially „Kalkstein", don't know it in English, but it is most likely pure calc) are found (my father is actually a stone maison) so any ground water in our valley with its own water system has to go through this stuff. So it is practicly hyper-mineralized before it destroys cattles, coffee makers and faucets. Fun to have. It goes that far that if I clean our washers filters I can find peaces of line scale which shattered of the heaters surface.
It is so bad that at some places the minerals settle up on top of the water if it sits long enough.


Post# 772674 , Reply# 29   7/23/2014 at 14:48 (3,535 days old) by mrwash ()        
I just had a look...

... at the recent analysis of your water in your town an it even says that it has a bit more then 40° dH. This is just insane high. Do you have anything like a unit to soften the water? Otherwise you would be busy with buying new appliances all the time....

Concerning the Persil that allan bought: I hope it still cleans well, because the package shows that it must have been produced quite a while ago. In Germany we are probably two or even three "package cycles" ahead so I would guess that this version is like two years old. So I hope it still cleans well enough so that you didn't waste your money.


Post# 772690 , Reply# 30   7/23/2014 at 17:00 (3,535 days old) by washer111 ()        
Since We're on the Subject

Our hardness around here is about 260ppm, which equates to about 21 Grains per Gallon or 20.45ºdH.

 

Until this happening, we kill 2 kettles in just over 1.5 years. Wouldn't want to imagine what the electric water-heater boosting element, or that in a Front-Loader would like without good Phosphate detergent... 

Thankfully, we have a whole-house softener installed, which greatly improves the taste of the water (Even our new Water-Filter doesn't change the taste very much!)

 

 


Post# 772787 , Reply# 31   7/24/2014 at 00:00 (3,535 days old) by allan (Las Vegas)        

@ mrwash

How can one determine the age of the Persil I bought? Has the design of the box changed since then? What does the latest box design look like in Germany? My boxes look exactly like the ones on the Canadian and U.S. Amazon websites (and also the Persil Store website) if that means anything:

www.amazon.com/Henkel-Persil-Colo...

www.amazon.ca/Henkel-Persil-Color...

www.persilstore.com/cleaning-prod...

I haven't opened the boxes yet, so I can still return them. The boxes do give off quite a strong perfume smell, even unopened. I find it very pleasant.


Post# 772790 , Reply# 32   7/24/2014 at 00:12 (3,535 days old) by allan (Las Vegas)        

@henene4

I plan to initially use only the minimum amount of Persil (45 ml) and then adjust up or down based on this. My washer is quite small (only 2.3 cubic feet) so I hope I will need less than what is indicated on the box.

Also, the water in my place is soft according to this unscientific test I did:





I put in even less water in the bottle than she did, and it foamed up like crazy, lol.


Post# 772837 , Reply# 33   7/24/2014 at 08:21 (3,535 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Incidentally, I just did a video for one of our members of the detergent aisle of one of our big supermarkets (mrwash might recognize itwink). These were the large Persil boxes they had on display.


Post# 776713 , Reply# 34   8/11/2014 at 13:46 (3,516 days old) by wrungout ()        
WOW!!

I wish I could get my hands on a big box of the Color Persil like that!!!! what is the cost of it? I love Persil. I have been a loyal Amway SA8 user for years, but have recently discovered Persil.

Post# 776721 , Reply# 35   8/11/2014 at 15:12 (3,516 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
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Well, I just checked again and you are right! I hadn't checked since we got our new DW 3 years ago.
We had a whole house softner, but my grandpa got ill (kidney problems) about 14 years ago so we stoped using it and never used it again until we removed it about 10 years ago.
We and my grandparents had simmilar coffee makers (made by Phillips). We have a Brita Maxtra filter for our kitchen. My grandparents don't. My grandmas lasted 2 ˝ years, ours is going strong for about 5 years now. So this thing works. But we don't have too many problems. We just have to descale certain things more often.



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