Bosch Siemens Home Appliances are Getting Divorced

Most stuff ships today with half-baked firmware that (urgently) needs updating. They know it doesn't work right when they sell it to you.

Now lookee here, computerized junk sellers: I'm not even a codehead and *I* could write the code to control laundry machinery. I've done it with other machines like laserdisc players (1989), it was my job to test them so I had to write the test code. While all versions worked it took 4 updates to get it practically concise enough to enter each machine by hand.

Howzcome I'm such a geen-yus yet unemployable for over a decade? Well first of all I'm American and expect $15-50 an hour. That's a major buzzkill in the 'global economy'. Second, I actually understand the machines I'm programming, which other-world BSCS graduates most assuredly do not.

For most here, I could teach you enough about code in 2 weeks, plus what you already know about machinery, to write laundry code that not only works but works to the satisfaction of most users, since you already represent the most sophisticated users and machine-control code is little different from counting on your fingers.

Why can't other-worlders with 4yr degrees grasp this? As with most degree programs, they are a generation obsolete when they are granted. And their students don't actually care about applications or anything practical, just parrotting what they were taught to acquire the label they think is their ticket to riches.

Perhaps you begin to see how perverse the system has become, in an effort to capitalize today upon stuff that was readily knowable in the 1980s. Even with the best intentions, it's not possible to grind 30 years of background into virtual morons overnight. And the perpetrators haven't 'best intentions', but self-serving ones.

That in brief explains why your appliances want to be connected to wifi and why they don't work worth a flark whether they are or not.


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Post# 771732 7/18/2014 at 17:53 (3,559 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes So, since we're already at it: the world's third largest appliance manufacturer is splitting up. Siemens spokespeople say that home appliances were never a part of the core business so they are getting rid of it. Naturally, you'd think that Bosch would take everything but no... They were unsure and negotiating the price. Then Samsung stepped in and showed interested. Fortunately, it seems that Bosch is now taking over, buying Siemens' share of BSH. Below the new dishwasher and oven available (here) in Dezember. Both have WiFi, the oven is a speed oven. Photos... < > Photo 1 of 4 View Full Size

Post# 771736 , Reply# 1 7/18/2014 at 18:50 (3,559 days old) by dascot (Scotland)
Checkrate/Likes Interesting. Siemens have been getting rid of a few of their "non-core" businesses over the past few years - a company I worked for previously bought out their IT business. Will Bosch be allowed to keep the Siemens name as part of the deal though, I wonder.

Post# 771775 , Reply# 2 7/18/2014 at 22:57 (3,559 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)
Checkrate/Likes I've got a Siemen's gas cooktop and really like it. First Ge and now Seimen's

Post# 771802 , Reply# 3 7/19/2014 at 00:49 (3,559 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Why "Wi-Fi" in a dishwasher and an oven?Can't we just push the button and have the machine wash your dishes or bake your food?

Post# 771821 , Reply# 4 7/19/2014 at 05:59 (3,558 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))
Checkrate/Likes Most stuff ships today with half-baked firmware that (urgently) needs updating. They know it doesn't work right when they sell it to you. Now lookee here, computerized junk sellers: I'm not even a codehead and I could write the code to control laundry machinery. I've done it with other machines like laserdisc players (1989), it was my job to test them so I had to write the test code. While all versions worked it took 4 updates to get it practically concise enough to enter each machine by hand. Howzcome I'm such a geen-yus yet unemployable for over a decade? Well first of all I'm American and expect $15-50 an hour. That's a major buzzkill in the 'global economy'. Second, I actually understand the machines I'm programming, which other-world BSCS graduates most assuredly do not. For most here, I could teach you enough about code in 2 weeks, plus what you already know about machinery, to write laundry code that not only works but works to the satisfaction of most users, since you already represent the most sophisticated users and machine-control code is little different from counting on your fingers. Why can't other-worlders with 4yr degrees grasp this? As with most degree programs, they are a generation obsolete when they are granted. And their students don't actually care about applications or anything practical, just parrotting what they were taught to acquire the label they think is their ticket to riches. Perhaps you begin to see how perverse the system has become, in an effort to capitalize today upon stuff that was readily knowable in the 1980s. Even with the best intentions, it's not possible to grind 30 years of background into virtual morons overnight. And the perpetrators haven't 'best intentions', but self-serving ones. That in brief explains why your appliances want to be connected to wifi and why they don't work worth a flark whether they are or not.

Post# 771822 , Reply# 5 7/19/2014 at 06:13 (3,558 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)
Checkrate/Likes I will continue to buy machines that DON'T need Wi-fi!IE-VINTAGE!!

Post# 771865 , Reply# 6 7/19/2014 at 10:01 (3,558 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes *Here's some of the press release* Siemens presents Kitchen 2.0 For years this was a thing of the future, but it now becomes reality at IFA 2014: Siemens is presenting its very first connectivity-capable home appliances. Ovens and dishwashers can be controlled via a tablet or smart phone wherever you are, so opening up a whole range of new possibilities. For example, you can operate your appliance from the digital cookery book, put together a purchase list, create instructions for use tailored to your needs or obtain information about consumption. With the innovative iQ700 hybrid operating technology and various program shortening options this new generation of appliances also heralds a new age where design and functionality are concerned. Continue reading: www.siemens-home.de/pressemitteil...

Post# 771949 , Reply# 7 7/19/2014 at 19:13 (3,558 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)
Checkrate/Likes Oh so If I want to turn on my Dishwasher from work but the door is open will this new technology close the door for me and start it? That's about the only thing I can think that I would want to happen with my DW. If we want to cook something from work and it is the refrigerator what then? I am sure there are some applications for this but at this point I can't think of it, unless I left the house and forgot to turn something off. I think think this tech opens up a new range of possibilities but we haven't thought of them yet. After seeing how my smart electric meter can track usage by the hour and report it back to me over the web by bill, by day, by hour, I think I might not want any smart appliances unless I can override them. Imagine my oven is set to start at 3:30pm for dinner, but my smart meter says too much electricity is being consumed on the grid so It schedules the oven to come at at 8PM thus ruining my dinner...No... not yet.

Post# 771951 , Reply# 8 7/19/2014 at 19:22 (3,558 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)
Checkrate/Likes *Bosch - Siemens ?* This is confusing for me in the USA because I never see Siemens home appliances, so is it that we don't have them in the USA and only have Bosch and if so is this break up a matter of concern for folks in the USA?

Post# 772490 , Reply# 9 7/22/2014 at 14:48 (3,555 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There�s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes *To Flesh Things Out A Bit* Siemens has a fifty percent share stake in Bosch, that is what they are selling and the latter company has right of first refusal in any sale. Siemens had been keen on pushing aside General Electric to purchase France's Alstom . However it does seem like GE has won that battle with the French preferring their bid ( with conditions) over BSH.

Siemens presents Kitchen 2.0