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Post# 778041   8/18/2014 at 18:52 (3,530 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        

What do you guys think?
Mike


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Post# 778044 , Reply# 1   8/18/2014 at 18:53 (3,530 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Just

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Beautiful!!!

Post# 778046 , Reply# 2   8/18/2014 at 19:08 (3,530 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Buttons!

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Sure does have a lot of buttons! Wonder if the Imperial set will get updated?

Malcolm


Post# 778049 , Reply# 3   8/18/2014 at 19:31 (3,530 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I think they're trying to appeal to/capture a market segment that views analog controls as clunky and out of style, that doesn't know analog controls are far more reliable, and furthermore doesn't have the slightest idea how to operate anything with knobs, switches and dials.


Post# 778057 , Reply# 4   8/18/2014 at 20:07 (3,530 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Looks neat and kind of retro.

Are they going to incorporate an auto-fill option?


Post# 778062 , Reply# 5   8/18/2014 at 20:31 (3,530 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

At least with those options it'll be better than the dial based electronic controls that give you no flexibility over the cycle.

If you can pick a soil level and add other options it should be nice and flexible.

I think the controls look awesome, I assume its the same control computer as the commercial machines, they've just added a home based touchpad.


Post# 778065 , Reply# 6   8/18/2014 at 20:43 (3,530 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Their high-end commercial/vended top-loader has touchpad electronic controls. I'm assuming if they can stand up to commercial use they should be very reliable in a home setting. Wonder if you'll still be able to open the console to adjust the water level so it fills to the top of the tub?

I'd like to see the panel up close to find out what cycles and options are available.


Post# 778067 , Reply# 7   8/18/2014 at 20:46 (3,530 days old) by washman (o)        
Heresy!

Just plain heresy!

No more click clack of the knob. No more slight buzzing at it motorvates through the cycle.

I can only HOPE that they use better quality boards than what everybody else uses.

Glad I got my old school machine when I did!


Post# 778071 , Reply# 8   8/18/2014 at 20:54 (3,530 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Ben--You should hop on their Facebook page and ask if the maximum water level will still be adjustable with the electronic controls.

We seem to have two similar threads going at the same time. Sorry about posting the suggestion above in both.


Post# 778087 , Reply# 9   8/18/2014 at 22:03 (3,530 days old) by washman (o)        
I will do just that Frig

I'm dyin' to know.

And if it's true, I might just die anyway.

Humming Take Me Home, Country Roads...............


Post# 778109 , Reply# 10   8/18/2014 at 23:30 (3,530 days old) by washer111 ()        
Thank Heavens

Looks like SQ have put their thinking caps on and made sure people have customisation options so you don't waste time washing clothes that aren't dirty, or can add on more washing time if needed.

These machines certainly are worth buying, if they are deployed across all their relevant home/domestic markets. I know I'd buy one of these - they offer the same, if not more functionality than the traditional models we all know and love.

Again, just so relieved they have made a really competitive offering for their new machines, instead of "handicapping" themselves with a "one-cycle-fit-all" style of mentality they've taken with the FL's and some TL's in Australia.

*Round of Applause for SQ, Please!*


Post# 778122 , Reply# 11   8/19/2014 at 02:30 (3,530 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Very nice indeed!

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These look great! I like them a lot.

 

It would be great to see a close up of the control panel to see the cycles and options provided. As Nathan said, certainly a step up from what we in Australia currently have where you have no control over the cycles with the electro-mechanical timer.

 

I would love to see these on sale in Australia, but I suspect the price might be too high for the Oz market, but we'll see.

 

If not, I'd certainly consider getting a set out from the US!

 

 


Post# 778123 , Reply# 12   8/19/2014 at 02:49 (3,530 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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They may have been inspired by the Amana electronic set. All they need to add now is a light! :-)




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Post# 778129 , Reply# 13   8/19/2014 at 03:49 (3,530 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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I notice the washer looks narrower than the dryer and the current SQ washers, think it holds less?

Post# 778134 , Reply# 14   8/19/2014 at 04:34 (3,530 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Tour Date

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I noticed that the tour date says October 2013. How did they ever manage to keep this under wraps so long? Seems like they listened to the market and modified accordingly. Even down to a Q on the console. Wonder if there is a possible heater option in the FL offering...

Malcolm


Post# 778140 , Reply# 15   8/19/2014 at 05:15 (3,529 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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It won't be the end of the world if the maximum water level isn't adjustable on the 2015 machines. The maximum capacity load would be a little smaller, but it wouldn't be a deal-breaker.

Malcolm, I'm with you: Put an internal water heater back in the front-loaders, Speed Queen! And while you're at it, give them the same cycle flexibility the forthcoming electronic top-loaders appear to have.

Let us know what you hear back from SQ, Ben.


Post# 778141 , Reply# 16   8/19/2014 at 05:20 (3,529 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Wonder if there is a possible heater option in the FL offeri

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They lost me as a possible customer when they did away with that feature to meet more stringent EPA standards.  I wasn't going to have another FLer without a heater.  I can't understand why they had to ditch this feature given most every other brand offers some models with heaters.  No dumbed down temperatures because of heaters in front loaders.   And true hot and true warm water temperatures are some of the main reasons why front loaders yield major stain removal results without having to inspect and treat every garment going into a load.  Which I always had to do with top loaders.  Saves me a bunch of time tending to BobLoads of laundry. 




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Post# 778145 , Reply# 17   8/19/2014 at 05:38 (3,529 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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You are so right, Bob!

Post# 778153 , Reply# 18   8/19/2014 at 06:55 (3,529 days old) by sambootoo (Moody, AL)        

I like the way they're confident enough to put SPEED QUEEN in big bold letters. Seems most washer makers are ashamed to have their name visible on their machines.

Post# 778155 , Reply# 19   8/19/2014 at 07:30 (3,529 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Loss of Heater

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I don't think the heater was lost due to EPA standards. I think it was a logistics reaction to their market place at the time. I would wager that 99% of their FL sales are contracts to institutions and government whom are less than interested in having the heater, I guess.

However, times are changing and the market for SQ is shifting to a greater domestic demand. Here's to hoping the response exceeds expectations...

Malcolm


Post# 778183 , Reply# 20   8/19/2014 at 11:07 (3,529 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
think it holds less?

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Perhaps it's a condenser dryer?

Malcolm


Post# 778192 , Reply# 21   8/19/2014 at 12:12 (3,529 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Will the dryers have moisture sensing?


Post# 778248 , Reply# 22   8/19/2014 at 19:05 (3,529 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I think John (Combo52) was who either told me in a phone conversation (or posted here) energy regulations was what caused them to stop the heater model(s) production. 


Post# 778279 , Reply# 23   8/20/2014 at 00:12 (3,529 days old) by A440 ()        

I love the looks of the new generation of Speed Queens! They are beautiful and rugged looking!
I agree with Bob and others that there needs to be a heater and more selective use of the front loader options. I could not live without a "Sanitary" selection. I use it at least 2 times a month on my Die Hard and Trusty HE3T. I use it with towels and hand towels. Could not do without it.
I just don't understand their logic on this.
B


Post# 778280 , Reply# 24   8/20/2014 at 00:13 (3,529 days old) by A440 ()        

I love the looks of the new generation of Speed Queens! They are beautiful and rugged looking!
I agree with Bob and others that there needs to be a heater and more selective use of the front loader options. I could not live without a "Sanitary" selection. I use it at least 2 times a month on my Die Hard and Trusty HE3T. I use it with towels and hand towels. Could not do without it.
I just don't understand their logic on this.
B


Post# 778297 , Reply# 25   8/20/2014 at 04:49 (3,528 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Electronic controls? There goes the neighborhood.

Post# 778305 , Reply# 26   8/20/2014 at 06:18 (3,528 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Stick with the electromechanical controls.Water and electronics DOESN'T mix!!!And you can' adjust or fudge water levels and temps with the electronic controls.If SQ goes electronic--count me out!Will buy swap shop machines only.

Post# 778348 , Reply# 27   8/20/2014 at 14:01 (3,528 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
I'm surprised again and again...

I mean, everybody loves SQ because they were reliable. And now, they change the line up, and SQ is talked bad by some.
They use electronic controls in the commercial laundry as well, so I think these controls will just be as good in terms of longlivety as the timers.
And I doubt they'll change a lot about the normal cycles. They would shoot themselves in the knee, so to speak. They are known for the full fills at line temperature. And that is the main reason someone buys them. This and the ease of use, which, to be honest, would not decrease at all as this panel just looks as easy and clean as I could imagine. And if they use the same quality of boards as in the commercial line up, I think they will be even better than the „old" series.


Post# 778351 , Reply# 28   8/20/2014 at 14:14 (3,528 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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I love the look of the controls. I've always had an admiration of the way a control panel looks with only keypads, no knobs. It just looks clean and sleek, no matter the age of the machine. My grandma's old Lady Kenmore with the electronic panel is still by far my favorite, followed by the KitchenAid Superba Selectra washers from the early 90's. I just wish the reliability of the control boards they put in today would be as excellent as they were back then.

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Post# 778354 , Reply# 29   8/20/2014 at 15:25 (3,528 days old) by Huebschman (Quebec, CA)        
Fear of what's to come...

Electronic control does not mean the machine will have computer programing and motherboard that are expensive to replace and are the cause of so many failures in todays machines. I think a lot of people matches the 2. If you flick on a light by pushing an electronic button instead of a switch... you have electronic control. Hope this is what Alliance is doing... A button that activates a simple circuit.

Post# 778356 , Reply# 30   8/20/2014 at 15:39 (3,528 days old) by Huebschman (Quebec, CA)        
Fear of what's to come... (continued)

What bugs me from the pics shown in another post is the 9 gallons of water required for rinsing implemented on Alliance TL wahers for 2015 and 4 gallons for 2018! Is the infamous gray rinse unavoiable? If so, hope there will be a minute long spray rinse after the rince cycle.

Post# 778361 , Reply# 31   8/20/2014 at 15:53 (3,528 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The 9/4 gallons seem to be completly reserved for a spray rinse, as it says spray rinse in big white on blue letters above ;)
And these Eco rinses seem to be exclusivly used on the new specific cycle designed to fullfill the regulations.


Post# 778363 , Reply# 32   8/20/2014 at 16:11 (3,528 days old) by Huebschman (Quebec, CA)        

Hope you're right. 'Was comparing with the 2013 chart on the left. So 9 gallons of spray rince would mean this is would be the next rince cycle? No deep rince?

Post# 778371 , Reply# 33   8/20/2014 at 16:43 (3,528 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Following the "spray rinse" bars back to the 2013 box shows this is a "plumbing" category. Perhaps this means they're changing the water inlet to facilitate better spray rinsing ability.

You could be right, it reads as though SQ is going to spray rinsing in 2015 using nine gallons of water, then lowering it to four gallons in 2018.



Post# 778387 , Reply# 34   8/20/2014 at 18:18 (3,528 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Spray Rinse

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Post# 778392 , Reply# 35   8/20/2014 at 18:30 (3,528 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Why won't anyone Re-Introduce the recirculating spray ri

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Like the WP resource saver of the 90's. That used a recirculating pump and multiple water changes to rinse the spinning load. From what I have heard it worked quite well and saved water. You could also use a traditional cycle if you wanted to use fabric softener.
WK78


Post# 778393 , Reply# 36   8/20/2014 at 18:52 (3,528 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Sorry, missed the plumbing thing. But though, I guess a 9/4 gal spray rinse is better than the grey water system and if it is the flume that has been optimized for spray rinses, I suppose they'll use spray rinses.
And with a spray rinse, I wonder, do they add flow restrictors? Because on a drained spray rinse (so not like the ResourceSavers recirculating) removing a flow restrictor would possibly improve its effectiveness.


Post# 778396 , Reply# 37   8/20/2014 at 19:05 (3,528 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Could the recirculating spray rinse be patented? Whirlpool still uses that on the higher-end HE top loaders.


Post# 778417 , Reply# 38   8/20/2014 at 22:43 (3,528 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Does "Tall Post Impeller" in the 2018 column mean that it will basically be an HE machine, like a cabrio/bravos washer?

Post# 778418 , Reply# 39   8/20/2014 at 23:08 (3,528 days old) by JeffG ()        

1. What happens in a power failure?

2. Can we get unadulterated hot water from it?

3. Does it "feature" partial drains for water savings?

I knew this was coming but it doesn't make it any less painful. Electronic control takes much (maybe most) of the flexibility out of these washers imo, even the sweet spot on mechanical timers (for extended spray rinses) is gone. So I'm glad we invested an extra $60 for a backup timer for our 2008 SQ. I hope SQ customers enjoy the $300 repair bills for what used to be a $60 part.


Post# 778420 , Reply# 40   8/20/2014 at 23:23 (3,528 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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1. The washer stops.
2. I'm going to say no.
3. See #2

Boy, you thought Consumer Reports dissed SQ washers? Their dryer is at the very bottom of the ratings, with the barely-double-digit score of 11. Rated 'Poor' for drying performance. Big complaints include no moisture sensor and drying temp on Delicate setting is too high.


Post# 778426 , Reply# 41   8/21/2014 at 03:59 (3,528 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Perhaps...

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The BOL model will still be a mechanically controlled machine...

Malcolm


Post# 778440 , Reply# 42   8/21/2014 at 08:28 (3,527 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"Tall Post Impeller" in the 2018 column mean that it will basically be an HE machine, like a cabrio/bravos washer?"

It may be a hybrid that combines impeller action with a modified straight vane agitator design. Not unlike our F&P, Simpson, Hoover and Westinghouse washers. Perhaps that also means they are switching from belt-drive to direct drive?


Post# 778446 , Reply# 43   8/21/2014 at 10:51 (3,527 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Tall Post Impeller.... sounds like what Whirlpool uses for the commercial HE top loaders. 


Post# 778449 , Reply# 44   8/21/2014 at 11:09 (3,527 days old) by thefixer ()        

Low/spray rinse is for Normal Eco cycle only.

Post# 778454 , Reply# 45   8/21/2014 at 12:41 (3,527 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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I am guessing this picture from a 2012 post may give some clues to some of the buttons and the layout.

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Post# 778455 , Reply# 46   8/21/2014 at 12:45 (3,527 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        
Link to Previous Thread

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Hopefully I linked to the thread properly below.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK


Post# 778491 , Reply# 47   8/21/2014 at 16:11 (3,527 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
I just recognized...

... that option 3 is kind of failed as the start switch is an on/off switch. So, the cycle Start can be turned on and off...

Post# 778492 , Reply# 48   8/21/2014 at 16:15 (3,527 days old) by washman (o)        
Well FWIW

I'll certainly take a gander at the new models when they come out. However I will keep the current TL until the cows come home. I already purchased some parts that may go out in case the time comes and I cannot secure a replacement. I have the repair manual, I can turn a wrench or two so if no one knows in 20 years how to fix it, I will do it myself.

Post# 778508 , Reply# 49   8/21/2014 at 18:31 (3,527 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Are they

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truly giving us a choice as to ECO wash and FULL TUB RINSE??

Thats fantastic !! The 'laundrymeister" should decide not the government !!


Post# 778513 , Reply# 50   8/21/2014 at 18:41 (3,527 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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Amen jetcone!

Post# 778515 , Reply# 51   8/21/2014 at 18:51 (3,527 days old) by washman (o)        
Agreed jetcone

now if they had the overflow rinse option, like your '57, well then I'd' be all in!

Post# 778516 , Reply# 52   8/21/2014 at 19:07 (3,527 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Option 3 has failed.

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What?

Malcolm


Post# 778518 , Reply# 53   8/21/2014 at 19:10 (3,527 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Oh wait...

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I see. The artist rendering put a rocker switch like for the extra rinse option instead of a push to start switch like the front loader.

Malcolm


Post# 778521 , Reply# 54   8/21/2014 at 19:19 (3,527 days old) by JeffG ()        

"The 'laundrymeister" should decide not the government !!"

The problem will be self-correcting imo, as listeria, e. coli and other disease outbreaks start occurring in our country. As they routinely do in many other third-world countries. This nannyism can and will only get worse until the de facto bankruptcy of our federal government is made official, imo it could happen as early as next year.


Post# 778659 , Reply# 55   8/22/2014 at 09:57 (3,526 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
what is needed today is this (my toughs on the subject

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Well here are my toughs on the subject sure we need a modern top load washer or front load but what is needed the most if there are cases of disease outbreaks here is an exemple sorry have to say it in in french (*cas de Grippe A (H1N1). this means that a true hot water wash is needed to killed the germs not dumb down temp followed by a true warm rinse and has stated in post #778521 reply #54 only the customers and those that actualy use the washer knows there needs picture of what is actualy needed on all brands of washers including speed queen + it would be nice if they could add on toploads an extra wash temp extra hot water in order to burn the germs in the wash water for modern top load washers.

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Post# 778669 , Reply# 56   8/22/2014 at 11:50 (3,526 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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The thing w/ tactile touch-switches is how tacky they get...

A crack seems to be forming in one touch pad for the oven control on my late-mom's Maytag range...

If these sensitive controls were made more reliable and rugged, they could be much more accepted and give a better quality of life with the appliance...



-- Dave


Post# 778672 , Reply# 57   8/22/2014 at 12:26 (3,526 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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There are, of course, two kinds of "touch" controls.

True touch-sensitive capacitive glass or plastic panels that respond to a change in a very low-voltage current that passes through the button array.  These do not crack or suffer mechanical fatigue far as I'm aware.

Non-capactive panels that are mechanical, such that the surface flexes slightly so contacts beneath the button make contact to complete the circuit.  This type is subject to cracking of the panel and failure of the contacts.  For best care of this type, press with the pad of the finger, not with the fingernail, and only as firmly as necessary to trigger the control.


Post# 778695 , Reply# 58   8/22/2014 at 14:11 (3,526 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Glass Touch

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The F&P machines have switched to some form of capacitive glass control panels, but I have not seen one in person, so I cannot really comment.

Some of the WP and MT front loaders have touch glass controls now too.

Anything beats the membrane switches, aka WP's Clean Touch.

Malcolm


Post# 778727 , Reply# 59   8/22/2014 at 15:22 (3,526 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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F&P's previous flat panels on laundry units (except the TOL AquaSmart and AeroSmart with capacitive panels) use tiny mechanical switches/buttons beneath the overlay instead of a membrane panel.  The buttons 'click' when pressed.  They rarely fail mechanically far as I'm aware.  The overlay panel is subject to cracking if not handled with due care.

My GWL08 has cracking on the Start button from when my grandmother was using it.  She always kept her fingernails long, filed, and polished.  I could not get her onto pressing with the finger instead of the nail.  The machine has had no electronic failures in 15 years.  Only repair is a pump replacement.


Post# 778855 , Reply# 60   8/23/2014 at 05:48 (3,525 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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My LG dishwasher had the smooth, capacitive glass (or was it plastic?) panel and I far preferred that to the "bubble button" mechanical pads on my Frigidaire washer and dryer. The mechanical pads take noticeably more pressure to engage. The smooth panel required only the slightest touch and it looked elegant.

Post# 779904 , Reply# 61   8/28/2014 at 12:33 (3,520 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)        

Where did you guys get those computer models showing what is to come? That would be awesome though if they still have the option of a regular cycle with a full rinse and just use the eco cycle to get past the regulations.

Post# 779910 , Reply# 62   8/28/2014 at 13:13 (3,520 days old) by JeffG ()        

I'm a little confused by the chart's 4 gallon rinse cycle starting in 2018. In a top loader that's enough for three or four pairs of underwear. Of a really skinny person.

Post# 814011 , Reply# 63   3/14/2015 at 23:46 (3,322 days old) by jeffh ()        
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