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Post# 781054   9/3/2014 at 03:14 (3,521 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

With IFA starting this Friday (5th September), I thought I would start a thread, so we can showcase all the new Home Appliances.
Please add to it with all other machines/appliances you see and have info for?

I will start with the new Miele W1 XL Tronic washing machine, Remember the Supertronic? Well this machine is based on it (just in the W1 design), with a touch screen display, featuring Powerwash2.0, Twin Dos system, and smart Phone Capability. Part of the new Miele Smart Home range, based on previous Miele@home.
Looking amazing: dishwashers.reviewed.com/news/mie.... (Picture 1)

Next Up:
The Siemens "Transparent" Dishwasher. Basically a Dishwasher that features smartphone compatibilty, and is the most packed featured model Siemens dishwasher yet, with a massive range of programmes and options, two colour displays and 14 place settings.
www.siemens-home.de/siemens-entde.... (Picture 2, 3, 4)
& Bosch Have one too: www.bosch-home.com/de/pressemeldu...

Finally from Me:
The new control ring from Bosch, a Hightlight from Bosch at IFA this year.
Massively improved controls on the oven. Could it feature the same new innovation that Siemens (in Pic 5) are launching - the Speed Perfect? Which apparently cooks with the same results, no burning, no frozen parts as normal oven, just in half the time, when option enabled. I guess we'll see!
This is an Oven!
www.bosch-home.com/de/...
Pic 6

I hope others will add more products news from IFA to the thread. Maybe some of you are going...


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Post# 781060 , Reply# 1   9/3/2014 at 03:33 (3,521 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Washing under an hour:
Not sure if its as standard, or if like most others theres a speed/quick button.
But Lg claim their latest Series 5 washing machine, debuting at IFA can wash cottons/cottons large, mix, easy care cycles in just 1 hour, freeing time to spend with family. If its as standard, then great, but my guess is it's like any other requiring a speed button to be pressed.


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Post# 781061 , Reply# 2   9/3/2014 at 03:50 (3,521 days old) by Adamthemieleman (York)        

Looks good! That new Miele looks beautiful

Post# 781079 , Reply# 3   9/3/2014 at 07:39 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Looking forward to trying them out when I go to Berlin!


Post# 781100 , Reply# 4   9/3/2014 at 10:32 (3,520 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
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I will be going to IFA and will be looking forward to all the new innovations. I will post some photos when I get back home.

Post# 781108 , Reply# 5   9/3/2014 at 12:16 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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You're coming from Australia?!? And I thought I had a long way to travel... I'll be going on Monday - most likely - when most of the rush from the weekend has died down. IFA is very cool. It's like washer-wonderland. :)


Post# 781109 , Reply# 6   9/3/2014 at 12:21 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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English Miele press releases

 

press.miele.com/de/en/press/artic...


Post# 781125 , Reply# 7   9/3/2014 at 13:31 (3,520 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
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Hi Glenfieldmathk1

I recently purchased the LG F14U1TBS2 washing machine. The machine has Turbo Wash which takes just under 1 hour, you can add 1 extra rinse making the cycle a little bit longer. You have a choice of normal wash, intensive or turbo wash for each cycle.

I have not tried the turbo wash feature yet, but will be washing on Saturday and will wash the bedding on turbo wash, so will keep you posted on the performance


Post# 781131 , Reply# 8   9/3/2014 at 14:38 (3,520 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Thanks Logixx for the link!
It wasn't available earlier, so obviously the product is certainly new to the public :)


Post# 781180 , Reply# 9   9/3/2014 at 17:38 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I think these new Bosch/Siemens ovens with varioSpeed are basically just regular ovens with a built-in microwave. Miele sells just that and calls it a Combination Oven in Europe... but a Speed Oven in the US.

 

Found this picture online: the new Gorenje/Panasonic washers.


Post# 781305 , Reply# 10   9/4/2014 at 04:42 (3,520 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

IFA is really great, not only the appliance-section. Last year I've been there and boy, watching 3D on an 8K 80" flat screen is impressive.
But both Miele and Panasonic look nice. Are these Panasonics to be sold as Gorenje as well, or how can I imagine the splitted sell?


Post# 781344 , Reply# 11   9/4/2014 at 11:49 (3,519 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Logixx - they look great :)
Heres the link, which includes high resolution images:


CLICK HERE TO GO TO glenfieldmathk1's LINK


Post# 781383 , Reply# 12   9/4/2014 at 15:09 (3,519 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I like the look of these washers as long as I don't have to see those curved designs on the side.  That is driving me nuts every time I look at it. What's wrong with a plain flat panel on the side?  Nitpicking I know, but it is something significant enough that it would make me think more than 5 times whether I want to see this in my house for the next several years.


Post# 781407 , Reply# 13   9/4/2014 at 16:35 (3,519 days old) by Adamthemieleman (York)        

Interesting, are Panasonic in bed with Gorenje? They look like Gorenje machines.

Post# 781418 , Reply# 14   9/4/2014 at 17:25 (3,519 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

Yes, Adam. Panasonic bought a share in Gorenje (about 12-15% I think) and have a long term strategic alliance planned with shared R&D and production for laundry, refrigeration and cooking appliances.

Post# 781551 , Reply# 15   9/5/2014 at 01:38 (3,519 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Ooh paneje's and asko'onics? Lol interesting! I do love gorenje!

The supertronic W1 looks abit more edgy than the standard stuff I like that!

Darren


Post# 781562 , Reply# 16   9/5/2014 at 03:16 (3,519 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
New Siemens / Bosch Washers & Dryers (IFA 2014)

Fantastic new look Bosch Logixx/IQ700 machines have launched (so the range below the Home Professional washers/TOL models).

They all feature Eco Silence/IQ Drive, and all come in at A+++-30% Energy.
I think they'll be affordable too.
Another new drum has been added - this time a 65l Wave Drum (Meaning the Opti-wave is now exclusive to the Home Pro/IQ800 ranges). (The 58l/62l Wave drum is staying for the lower ranges).

No Bosch Press release, as yet?

Press Release Siemens:
www.siemens-home.de/siemens-entde...

Range Of Pictures:
1. Bosch Serie|8 Logixx - iDos
2. Bosch Serie|8 Logixx Exclusive - iDos (Zoomed Display)
3. Bosch Serie|8 Logixx - ASR
4. Bosch Serie|8 Logixx Exclusive - ASR (Zoomed Programmes)
5. Bosch Serie|8 Logixx - Standard
6. Bosch Serie|8 Logixx - Standard (Zoomed Display)
7 & 8. Bosch Serie|8 Dryers (Heat Pump, Self Cleaning)
9 & 10. Siemens Extraklasse IQ790 - iDos
11. Siemens IQ700 - iDos
12. Siemens Extraklasse IQ790 - ASR
13 & 14. Siemens IQ700 - ASR
15 & 16. Siemens Extraklasse IQ790 - Standard (known as Eco Champion)
17. Drum zoomed
18, 19 & 20. Siemens Dryer (Heat Pump, Self Cleaning)

Manuals available on line all ready too.
Credit to Siemens/Bosch for providing Pictures.


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Post# 781642 , Reply# 17   9/5/2014 at 12:48 (3,518 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Here are all the press releases along with high quality images from Bosch in English. It's a 385MB zip file.

 

www.bosch-home.com/Files/Bosch2/D...


Post# 781643 , Reply# 18   9/5/2014 at 12:51 (3,518 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
9kg

I am just checking some new models and the Siemens WM14W590 is rated 9kg! I'm shocked... Though, it's only a 65l drum...

Post# 782172 , Reply# 19   9/7/2014 at 16:42 (3,516 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Siemens IFA 2014 Innovations:





Bosch IFA 2014 Innovations:





Post# 782273 , Reply# 20   9/8/2014 at 04:51 (3,516 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
Some lovely looking stuff coming to the shops soon

I can't see why if after paying top dollar for the best appliances why you would bother to push the eco button. A few litres of water saved and a few cents of electricity. Then the disappointment of having to rewash a bowl or shirt because it was not cleaned properly.

As for the trickery of drum volume/load capacity its almost like you have to go to the shops with a large load of laundry to see if it will fit inside. Often you are encouraged when shopping for dishwashers to take along bowls and plates to see how well they fit.

Finally after watching a video on YT:





Notice the profile of the door glass?
Has it always been shaped like a washer from the 90's. My W377 has a similar profile.



Post# 782290 , Reply# 21   9/8/2014 at 08:09 (3,515 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
PowerWash 2.0

Not sure if I'm the first to realize, but I've been ones again blasted by Miele.
The manual of the WMV 960 is online for Germany and the UI is quite simple to use, yet it offfers a huge amount of options.
BUT one chapter blew me of my chair.
It states, that for medium and small loads, after the soaking routine, the washer sets the right water level, and it won't only add water, it might even drain some. The level it aims for is supposed to be low. Really low. It sounds like the water level is supposed to only cover the heater. Then, the recirc is started and only this minor pool of water is heated and sprayed on the load.
For me, this sounds like the SmartEx industrial washer which has no free water in the drum. And I think, this could be quite an advntage.


Post# 782308 , Reply# 22   9/8/2014 at 10:17 (3,515 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

an enthusiast's video on youtube - that I needed to show :)
To all those thinking you can only operate with a cell phone, think again, it is touch screen, and is great to see, it also explains why in the picture it looks like only half the displays on, the other half is touch sensitive buttons like on the Supertronic!




Candy, Beko, LG and Indesit all have some 9KG machines, with smaller drum volumes.
Bosch/siemens 65l 9Kg has been around for about 2 years now, no complaints, in fact if you ask me its better, as it wont be filled to actual capacity, so will last longer as less strain.
That said they've been designed to be crammed full (in fact one of the international Hotpoint brochures actually shows/showed this).

back to Miele, I'm not sure about powerwash 2.0 but if it drains out the water, it'll drain the detergent out too - meanwhile I hope they added an extra rinse, as the 1 default is not enough.


Post# 782313 , Reply# 23   9/8/2014 at 10:49 (3,515 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Miele: my LG used to operate in a similar manner of hardly any water in the drum and the strong recirc jet did most of the work!

Found these pics on Instagram too of vestel machines at IFA
Darren


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Post# 782314 , Reply# 24   9/8/2014 at 10:53 (3,515 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The PowerWash cycle has been the most updated cycle Miele had so far.
This PoerWash 2.0 is supposed to work on Cottons and Easy Care. And I guess that, as the detergent will be dissolved and distributed after the soaking/saturating stage, the ratio detergent to water will stay the same. And TwinDose could redose. And, the manual states further that some options like water plus and/or prewash would deactivate this washsystem.


Post# 782318 , Reply# 25   9/8/2014 at 11:29 (3,515 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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I read in the Miele press release that the machine compensates for the lower water level by doing frequent spins during the wash, to drive the water through the clothes.

Sounds like it would be pretty fun to watch!


Post# 782326 , Reply# 26   9/8/2014 at 11:50 (3,515 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I heard that too! Much more exciting than there previous ranges

Darren


Post# 782331 , Reply# 27   9/8/2014 at 11:58 (3,515 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I heard that too! Much more exciting than there previous ranges

Darren


Post# 782619 , Reply# 28   9/9/2014 at 16:17 (3,514 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Spin Bursts!

Yay!

All modern machines should be doing these.

I have found that some machines take absolute ages to saturate the load, so doing such sequences would help to wet the laundry quicker, in conjunction with pumped spray jets.


Post# 783192 , Reply# 29   9/12/2014 at 09:09 (3,511 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
So Who's been??

Care to share with us any more photo's, video's, any other new appliances??

Post# 783193 , Reply# 30   9/12/2014 at 09:13 (3,511 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
PowerWash 2.0

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According to the manual, Power Wash 2.0 works on the Cotton and Easy Care cycle with a small to medium load. The washer will initially sense the load size and then spin and spray water through the load - the drenching phase. After that, it'll adjust the water level, which means it can even drain some water. Once there is as little free water in the drum as possible, spinning and spraying is used throughout the main wash to distribute the heated wash water through the load. The manual also mentions that the temp measured by the temp sensor will not correspond to the temp of the clothes during PowerWash 2.0 - the sensor will read a higher temp. I suppose the heater will heat the water as it's dripping out of the clothes; and during spin bursts. It is also mentioned that there might be uncommon bubbling sounds during the heating stage.

The system is not active for large loads, if a spin speed below 600 rpm is selected (does that mean it spins at 600 rpm during the wash?!), at temps above 60C, if options such as Water Plus or Prewash are selected, if CapDosing is activated for the main wash.


Post# 783198 , Reply# 31   9/12/2014 at 09:29 (3,511 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Mat,

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I spent four hours at IFA just looking and playing with the appliances. I took about 30 minutes of video (with all the touchscreens set to English) but won't be able to edit and upload them until tomorrow. I posted my first impression review at the German forum - but it's 1.5 pages long and I'm not gonna type all this into my phone now. Might post it when I get home from work at 10 pm.

Post# 783237 , Reply# 32   9/12/2014 at 15:16 (3,511 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I went to this year’s IFA and spent four hours just browsing the huge appliance selection that was on display. This is Europe’s biggest electronics fair and the appliances made up maybe one fifth of the total area.

 

My IFA trends are

 

- touchscreens – all the major appliances seem to have them now; even in full color and/or HD

- colors and shapes: practically every manufacturer had appliance packages where every kitchen appliance matched the other one. That goes for laundry, too. Especially the Italian companies had some beautifully shaped and colored oven and small appliances

- alternate ways of cooking: steam cooking, speed cooking, sous vide…

 

Of course, as every year: energy efficiency and connectivity.

 

Miele: I must say, I pretty much liked everything I saw here. The touchscreen-driven washers and dryers take you through the cycles and option in a pretty logical way – at least I had no problems navigation through them. Same hold true for the M-Touch kitchen appliances. They have some impressive capabilities but, of course, it takes longer to set the oven than just turning a dial. There are ovens with dials (or a mix of glass touch surface and dials) as well. They had six Scout robotic vacuums on display as well, whizzing across two platforms, one of which was raised to show that it wouldn’t drop down. What I did notice was the almost playful tune as I switched the ovens on and off – reminded me of something Samsung or LG would usually have. The people at Miele where, as you’d expect, very nice. There was a magician show of some sorts going on… but I was busy playing with the new flagship laundry appliances. Unlike 2012, none of the Professional appliances were on display.

 

Bosch/Siemens: I think they had the most impressive booth. Bosch had washers built into cubbies all the way up to the ceiling and Siemens’ booth looked like you were in some sort of SciFi movie setting. LED screens surrounding you. As for the appliances: again, I was pleased with what I saw. This new range washers, dryers and dishwashers now all display and estimate of how much energy and water is consumed (not that I would care). The dishwashers have glass touch panels, new cycles (Bosch) or three telescopic racks (Siemens). The openAssist feature is pretty neat: you just every so slightly press against the dishwasher door and it gently pops open – for those handle-free kitchens. The new ovens are stuffed with neat features and, contrary to what I had feared, easy to use – much like an iPod. The panels also move up to access the water tank for the steam function. I did notice, though, that the built-in microwaves had a fairly tiny interior. I also noticed that Siemens, once again, used some f’ed up lighting in their booth. Must be something related to the frequency of those lights but I could hardly take any videos because I had black bars running across my phone. I generally like BSH’s varioSpeed approach: laundry, cooking, dishes – you can either chose to save resources… or save up to 2/3 of time while getting the same results. The presenters were all nice, though I saw one woman, who also was a spokes lady on YouTube, who looked like a evil witch. Very Miranda Priestly in The devil Wears Prada. *yikes* Just like in the years before, there was plenty of cooking, baking and mixing going on and you could eat for free.

 

AEG/Electrolux: speaking of presenters… I was being excuse me’d at least three times at AEG’s booth. Like: I was filming an appliances and a presenter just came in and showed a bunch of visitors the features of the very appliance I was just filming. Argh! Generally, AEG seems to stay true to their slowly but surly strategy: I easily managed to get a cycle time of six hours by selecting Cottons Eco + extra rinses + pre wash. I saw a bunch of dishwashers also flashing cycle time of over three hours on Eco. Just like Bosch and Siemens, AEG had invited TV chefs to demo the cooking appliances and there were plenty of dishes and healthy drinks to be had. I didn’t know the Satellite spray arm is now available in 45cm dishwashers, too. Electrolux was kinda hidden behind the AEG booth. Nothing much to see here as it was just the same stuff with a different design. I did, however, like that lower basket on the dishwasher that swings out and up to easier loading. I almost comes up to the upper rack.

 

Bauknecht/Whirlpool: I think this was the first time they made it to IFA. I think Bauknecht had the most innovations on display: induction ovens, a giant induction cook top that doubles as a tablet PC (just a prototype), the new washers and dryers, PowerDry in dishwashers, French Door refrigeration. I must say that I was impressed with the PowerClean technology on dishwashers. I had seen videos on YouTube of American Whirlpools having these extra jets in the lower back of the tub and the force was pathetic – but these jets here were very powerful, throwing water across the tub. Unfortunately, there was only a tiny bit of water in the tub (it was all about the drying system, not the wash system) so the burst lasted only a second before LEDs came on showing how the PowerDry system worked. Whirlpool’s commercial washer, however, was only a rebadged GE residential washer from the US – what’s up with that – and the Cottons cycle took over three hours. Commercial – yeah right.

 

Beko: Beko had the most beautiful booth I think. They had trees and plants and gardens and (fake) birds singing. I was primarily looking at the new range of washers and dryers. The cycle dial is like a copy of the Siemen’s one but, overall, these units made a nice impression. Gotta love that Express cycle that goes up to 90C but still gets clothes washed in little time. Cycles and options seemed very reasonable, though there was a lot of focus on speed: Express, Super Express, Refresh cycle and e separate quick wash option, too. The dishwashers have very flexible spike rows in the upper basket, which I think is great for my oversized coffee mugs. That little extra cutlery drawer is beyond wobbly, though.

 

Besides that, there were tons of other manufacturers, many of them Chinese companies displaying small appliances. Dyson’s booth was pretty small and the one Dyson Eye they had there did nothing. I didn’t get to see LG, Samsung or Panasonic because, unlike 2012, they didn’t have dedicated appliance sections but instead showed off their appliances along with their other stuff.

 

All in all, I am looking forward to next year’s IFA. This was the second time I went and the second time I got to park right in front of the building – yay. People were advised to use public transportation or park use one of the 5000 additional parking spaces at the Olympic stadium. But I managed to arrive right in front of the entrance; only had one minor car accident.

 


Post# 783510 , Reply# 33   9/13/2014 at 15:57 (3,510 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Thanks for that report, I want everything on display!

I also saw a few things on BBC News's "Click!" programme, a technology show. They were reporting from IFA.

The Dyson 360 Eye was probably recharging. It was shown on "Click!". Also shown, was Samsung's Cyclone robot vacuum cleaner. It can follow a laser pointer's spot, to clean small dirty areas.

Also shown, was Panasonic's induction cooktop surface, with built in stirrer function. I presume that the induced magnetic field effectively turns a suitable pot and stirrer into a low speed motor, for making sauces.

Panasonic's hidden shelving looked nice, but is only practical if you live in a mansion.

One can but dream!



Post# 783535 , Reply# 34   9/13/2014 at 18:34 (3,510 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
I want everything on display

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Ha! That's what I thought, too. I wonder what happened to the appliances after the fair? They should have given them to me. :)

That Panasonic induction cooktop sounds very cool. It was on display back in 2013, I think. They had a whole range of blenders, juicers etc. that were wirelessly powered by placing them on the cooktop.


Post# 783669 , Reply# 35   9/14/2014 at 12:22 (3,509 days old) by andrew47 ()        

Any observations of the Asko Pro Series from those at the show? I know it was also in Berlin in 2013.

Post# 784368 , Reply# 36   9/18/2014 at 04:59 (3,506 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
Thanks Logixx...

Sounds like it was an amazing show :)

Post# 784495 , Reply# 37   9/18/2014 at 19:00 (3,505 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Some pix from the show

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Here are some pix of the show

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Post# 784497 , Reply# 38   9/18/2014 at 19:04 (3,505 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Here are some more

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Part 2

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Post# 784513 , Reply# 39   9/18/2014 at 20:48 (3,505 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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After six hours of uploading, here are my videos.

 

Small Appliances




 

AEG and Electrolux




 

Bauknecht and Whirlpool




 

Beko




 

Bosch




 

Siemens




 

Miele





Post# 784523 , Reply# 40   9/18/2014 at 22:09 (3,505 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)        
Thank you logixx for all of your videos!

You did save the best for towards the end.
As lovely as the touchscreen Miele washing machine is, I seem to be in awe of the Wkk 210 shown towards the end.
Oh the simplicity!
But where is the Mini/Express program?


Post# 784550 , Reply# 41   9/19/2014 at 05:53 (3,505 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Thank you Rod for the pictures and Alexander for the videos. Lots of new appliances like always. Interesting to see Miele has a BOL model in the new styling. The price for the best innovation in my book however goes to AEG for the dishwasher with the lower rack you can lift up. That really is something that would make me buy that dishwasher. No more bending to load and unload the lower rack. :-)

Post# 784581 , Reply# 42   9/19/2014 at 10:09 (3,504 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Thanks for the Photo's and Video's :) It looks like an amazing event this year.
I personally like the Bosch & Miele sections best. Beko section seems to basically be a copy of Siemens, but I think their new logo looks good, and lets hope their appliances are a hell of a lot better. :)

I'm not so sure about that AEG Dishwasher. I saw you struggling to put it back in, and a representative helped you, but if your not good with things like that, it'll be difficult, and just how well will that last, plus if you put some real heavy pans in their, it would fall down anyway??


Post# 784623 , Reply# 43   9/19/2014 at 16:58 (3,504 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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The bottom basket of this Electrolux dishwasher was first showcased at EuroCucina earlier this year. It retracts pretty easily but if you're also trying to hold a camera in your other hand... Plus, there was like this woman who seemed to have no other job but to guard this one dishwasher and when she saw I stuggled to lower the rack, she almost jumped at me "No." and lowered the rack herself.






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