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Post# 781061 , Reply# 2   9/3/2014 at 03:50 (3,521 days old) by Adamthemieleman (York)   |   | |
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Looks good! That new Miele looks beautiful |
Post# 781079 , Reply# 3   9/3/2014 at 07:39 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 781100 , Reply# 4   9/3/2014 at 10:32 (3,520 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 781108 , Reply# 5   9/3/2014 at 12:16 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 781109 , Reply# 6   9/3/2014 at 12:21 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 781131 , Reply# 8   9/3/2014 at 14:38 (3,520 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)   |   | |
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Thanks Logixx for the link! It wasn't available earlier, so obviously the product is certainly new to the public :) |
Post# 781180 , Reply# 9   9/3/2014 at 17:38 (3,520 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 781305 , Reply# 10   9/4/2014 at 04:42 (3,520 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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IFA is really great, not only the appliance-section. Last year I've been there and boy, watching 3D on an 8K 80" flat screen is impressive. But both Miele and Panasonic look nice. Are these Panasonics to be sold as Gorenje as well, or how can I imagine the splitted sell? |
Post# 781344 , Reply# 11   9/4/2014 at 11:49 (3,519 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)   |   | |
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Logixx - they look great :) Heres the link, which includes high resolution images: CLICK HERE TO GO TO glenfieldmathk1's LINK |
Post# 781407 , Reply# 13   9/4/2014 at 16:35 (3,519 days old) by Adamthemieleman (York)   |   | |
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Interesting, are Panasonic in bed with Gorenje? They look like Gorenje machines. |
Post# 781418 , Reply# 14   9/4/2014 at 17:25 (3,519 days old) by dascot (Scotland)   |   | |
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Yes, Adam. Panasonic bought a share in Gorenje (about 12-15% I think) and have a long term strategic alliance planned with shared R&D and production for laundry, refrigeration and cooking appliances. |
Post# 781551 , Reply# 15   9/5/2014 at 01:38 (3,519 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 781642 , Reply# 17   9/5/2014 at 12:48 (3,518 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Here are all the press releases along with high quality images from Bosch in English. It's a 385MB zip file.
www.bosch-home.com/Files/Bosch2/D... |
Post# 781643 , Reply# 18   9/5/2014 at 12:51 (3,518 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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I am just checking some new models and the Siemens WM14W590 is rated 9kg! I'm shocked... Though, it's only a 65l drum... |
Post# 782172 , Reply# 19   9/7/2014 at 16:42 (3,516 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 782313 , Reply# 23   9/8/2014 at 10:49 (3,515 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Miele: my LG used to operate in a similar manner of hardly any water in the drum and the strong recirc jet did most of the work!
Found these pics on Instagram too of vestel machines at IFA Darren |
Post# 782318 , Reply# 25   9/8/2014 at 11:29 (3,515 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 782326 , Reply# 26   9/8/2014 at 11:50 (3,515 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 782331 , Reply# 27   9/8/2014 at 11:58 (3,515 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 783192 , Reply# 29   9/12/2014 at 09:09 (3,511 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)   |   | |
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Care to share with us any more photo's, video's, any other new appliances?? |
Post# 783193 , Reply# 30   9/12/2014 at 09:13 (3,511 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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According to the manual, Power Wash 2.0 works on the Cotton and Easy Care cycle with a small to medium load. The washer will initially sense the load size and then spin and spray water through the load - the drenching phase. After that, it'll adjust the water level, which means it can even drain some water. Once there is as little free water in the drum as possible, spinning and spraying is used throughout the main wash to distribute the heated wash water through the load. The manual also mentions that the temp measured by the temp sensor will not correspond to the temp of the clothes during PowerWash 2.0 - the sensor will read a higher temp. I suppose the heater will heat the water as it's dripping out of the clothes; and during spin bursts. It is also mentioned that there might be uncommon bubbling sounds during the heating stage.
The system is not active for large loads, if a spin speed below 600 rpm is selected (does that mean it spins at 600 rpm during the wash?!), at temps above 60C, if options such as Water Plus or Prewash are selected, if CapDosing is activated for the main wash. |
Post# 783198 , Reply# 31   9/12/2014 at 09:29 (3,511 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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I spent four hours at IFA just looking and playing with the appliances. I took about 30 minutes of video (with all the touchscreens set to English) but won't be able to edit and upload them until tomorrow. I posted my first impression review at the German forum - but it's 1.5 pages long and I'm not gonna type all this into my phone now. Might post it when I get home from work at 10 pm.
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Post# 783237 , Reply# 32   9/12/2014 at 15:16 (3,511 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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I went to this year’s IFA and spent four hours just browsing the huge appliance selection that was on display. This is Europe’s biggest electronics fair and the appliances made up maybe one fifth of the total area.
My IFA trends are
- touchscreens – all the major appliances seem to have them now; even in full color and/or HD - colors and shapes: practically every manufacturer had appliance packages where every kitchen appliance matched the other one. That goes for laundry, too. Especially the Italian companies had some beautifully shaped and colored oven and small appliances - alternate ways of cooking: steam cooking, speed cooking, sous vide…
Of course, as every year: energy efficiency and connectivity.
Miele: I must say, I pretty much liked everything I saw here. The touchscreen-driven washers and dryers take you through the cycles and option in a pretty logical way – at least I had no problems navigation through them. Same hold true for the M-Touch kitchen appliances. They have some impressive capabilities but, of course, it takes longer to set the oven than just turning a dial. There are ovens with dials (or a mix of glass touch surface and dials) as well. They had six Scout robotic vacuums on display as well, whizzing across two platforms, one of which was raised to show that it wouldn’t drop down. What I did notice was the almost playful tune as I switched the ovens on and off – reminded me of something Samsung or LG would usually have. The people at Miele where, as you’d expect, very nice. There was a magician show of some sorts going on… but I was busy playing with the new flagship laundry appliances. Unlike 2012, none of the Professional appliances were on display.
Bosch/Siemens: I think they had the most impressive booth. Bosch had washers built into cubbies all the way up to the ceiling and Siemens’ booth looked like you were in some sort of SciFi movie setting. LED screens surrounding you. As for the appliances: again, I was pleased with what I saw. This new range washers, dryers and dishwashers now all display and estimate of how much energy and water is consumed (not that I would care). The dishwashers have glass touch panels, new cycles (Bosch) or three telescopic racks (Siemens). The openAssist feature is pretty neat: you just every so slightly press against the dishwasher door and it gently pops open – for those handle-free kitchens. The new ovens are stuffed with neat features and, contrary to what I had feared, easy to use – much like an iPod. The panels also move up to access the water tank for the steam function. I did notice, though, that the built-in microwaves had a fairly tiny interior. I also noticed that Siemens, once again, used some f’ed up lighting in their booth. Must be something related to the frequency of those lights but I could hardly take any videos because I had black bars running across my phone. I generally like BSH’s varioSpeed approach: laundry, cooking, dishes – you can either chose to save resources… or save up to 2/3 of time while getting the same results. The presenters were all nice, though I saw one woman, who also was a spokes lady on YouTube, who looked like a evil witch. Very Miranda Priestly in The devil Wears Prada. *yikes* Just like in the years before, there was plenty of cooking, baking and mixing going on and you could eat for free.
AEG/Electrolux: speaking of presenters… I was being excuse me’d at least three times at AEG’s booth. Like: I was filming an appliances and a presenter just came in and showed a bunch of visitors the features of the very appliance I was just filming. Argh! Generally, AEG seems to stay true to their slowly but surly strategy: I easily managed to get a cycle time of six hours by selecting Cottons Eco + extra rinses + pre wash. I saw a bunch of dishwashers also flashing cycle time of over three hours on Eco. Just like Bosch and Siemens, AEG had invited TV chefs to demo the cooking appliances and there were plenty of dishes and healthy drinks to be had. I didn’t know the Satellite spray arm is now available in 45cm dishwashers, too. Electrolux was kinda hidden behind the AEG booth. Nothing much to see here as it was just the same stuff with a different design. I did, however, like that lower basket on the dishwasher that swings out and up to easier loading. I almost comes up to the upper rack.
Bauknecht/Whirlpool: I think this was the first time they made it to IFA. I think Bauknecht had the most innovations on display: induction ovens, a giant induction cook top that doubles as a tablet PC (just a prototype), the new washers and dryers, PowerDry in dishwashers, French Door refrigeration. I must say that I was impressed with the PowerClean technology on dishwashers. I had seen videos on YouTube of American Whirlpools having these extra jets in the lower back of the tub and the force was pathetic – but these jets here were very powerful, throwing water across the tub. Unfortunately, there was only a tiny bit of water in the tub (it was all about the drying system, not the wash system) so the burst lasted only a second before LEDs came on showing how the PowerDry system worked. Whirlpool’s commercial washer, however, was only a rebadged GE residential washer from the US – what’s up with that – and the Cottons cycle took over three hours. Commercial – yeah right.
Beko: Beko had the most beautiful booth I think. They had trees and plants and gardens and (fake) birds singing. I was primarily looking at the new range of washers and dryers. The cycle dial is like a copy of the Siemen’s one but, overall, these units made a nice impression. Gotta love that Express cycle that goes up to 90C but still gets clothes washed in little time. Cycles and options seemed very reasonable, though there was a lot of focus on speed: Express, Super Express, Refresh cycle and e separate quick wash option, too. The dishwashers have very flexible spike rows in the upper basket, which I think is great for my oversized coffee mugs. That little extra cutlery drawer is beyond wobbly, though.
Besides that, there were tons of other manufacturers, many of them Chinese companies displaying small appliances. Dyson’s booth was pretty small and the one Dyson Eye they had there did nothing. I didn’t get to see LG, Samsung or Panasonic because, unlike 2012, they didn’t have dedicated appliance sections but instead showed off their appliances along with their other stuff.
All in all, I am looking forward to next year’s IFA. This was the second time I went and the second time I got to park right in front of the building – yay. People were advised to use public transportation or park use one of the 5000 additional parking spaces at the Olympic stadium. But I managed to arrive right in front of the entrance; only had one minor car accident.
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Post# 783535 , Reply# 34   9/13/2014 at 18:34 (3,510 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Ha! That's what I thought, too. I wonder what happened to the appliances after the fair? They should have given them to me. :)
That Panasonic induction cooktop sounds very cool. It was on display back in 2013, I think. They had a whole range of blenders, juicers etc. that were wirelessly powered by placing them on the cooktop. |
Post# 783669 , Reply# 35   9/14/2014 at 12:22 (3,509 days old) by andrew47 ()   |   | |
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Any observations of the Asko Pro Series from those at the show? I know it was also in Berlin in 2013. |
Post# 784368 , Reply# 36   9/18/2014 at 04:59 (3,506 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)   |   | |
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Sounds like it was an amazing show :) |
Post# 784495 , Reply# 37   9/18/2014 at 19:00 (3,505 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 784497 , Reply# 38   9/18/2014 at 19:04 (3,505 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 784513 , Reply# 39   9/18/2014 at 20:48 (3,505 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 784523 , Reply# 40   9/18/2014 at 22:09 (3,505 days old) by richnz (New Zealand)   |   | |
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You did save the best for towards the end. As lovely as the touchscreen Miele washing machine is, I seem to be in awe of the Wkk 210 shown towards the end. Oh the simplicity! But where is the Mini/Express program? |
Post# 784550 , Reply# 41   9/19/2014 at 05:53 (3,505 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Thank you Rod for the pictures and Alexander for the videos. Lots of new appliances like always. Interesting to see Miele has a BOL model in the new styling. The price for the best innovation in my book however goes to AEG for the dishwasher with the lower rack you can lift up. That really is something that would make me buy that dishwasher. No more bending to load and unload the lower rack. :-)
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Post# 784623 , Reply# 43   9/19/2014 at 16:58 (3,504 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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The bottom basket of this Electrolux dishwasher was first showcased at EuroCucina earlier this year. It retracts pretty easily but if you're also trying to hold a camera in your other hand... Plus, there was like this woman who seemed to have no other job but to guard this one dishwasher and when she saw I stuggled to lower the rack, she almost jumped at me "No." and lowered the rack herself. |