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What is the difference between new "filters" in DW as opposed to Food Choppers? |
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Post# 784017 , Reply# 1   9/16/2014 at 09:41 (3,481 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Post# 784018 , Reply# 2   9/16/2014 at 09:42 (3,481 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Post# 784107 , Reply# 5   9/16/2014 at 19:27 (3,480 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Have never understood the need for macerators as one does not use a dishwasher as a food disposal. That is things are scrapped well before going into the machine. What one expects is some system to keep yibbles off my dishes and flushed away.
My older Kenmore/Frigidaire even with a filters and macerator left yibbles all over dishes, especially the upper rack. My *new* GE Mobile Maid does not have a grinder nor advanced filtration system but give streets ahead performance. Food goes down the drains and yes one does see the odd bits of rice, oats, or kernel of corn in the sink strainer but long as they aren't on my dishes am happy. One supposes the purpose of a macerator is to grind up larger bits of food so they will not harm the pump/impeller system, clog things up and or be flung at dishes. Again if the things are well scrapped and there is a decent filtration system in place do not see the need. Oh having a macerator probably helps keep sinks/drains from being clogged by large food bits. However advice as above still applies. Read somewhere years ago one of the benefits of not having a macerator is that filter only units tended to be more quiet. Given often tight living quarters of some European kitchens one assumes dishwasher silence is of high value. |
Post# 784134 , Reply# 6   9/16/2014 at 23:48 (3,480 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 784135 , Reply# 7   9/16/2014 at 23:48 (3,480 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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If a chopper and filter system is done right, like the WP PowerClean, and even the later tall tub version, the accumulator works quite well. In both my WP built Maytag, and now the PowerClean, I've yet to find a speck of anything on a dish or anywhere in the interior. Upon taking the wash arm away to expose the fine mesh filter underneath, there isn't a bit of food waste to be seen, so it keeps itself incredibly clean in the process. I'm not sure where the "food is catched by a screen with quite big holes" part comes from, because the mesh screening is so fine that a needle couldn't pierce through without stretching/tearing a hole.
I also don't understand the conceived notion that a machine with a disposal blade is louder than one with a filter. As though in the midst of the motor hum and the sound of water jetting around the interior someone can actually differentiate the sound of a small spinning blade. To test this, I disassembled the Point Voyager Maytag and removed the blade and grinding screen altogether, and reassembled it and ran an empty rinse cycle. Not a bit of difference in sound. And it's not as though the chopper is constantly grinding something during the entire cycle, unless you're filling the detergent cup with BBs or pennies. I've heard mine buzz on something once since having it, most likely a tiny seed or something, and it was gone within a minute. Every filter model I've heard in person has been just as "noisy" as anything with a blade. |
Post# 784136 , Reply# 8   9/16/2014 at 23:52 (3,480 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Neither of the machines you mention are particularly quiet to begin with, so it is not surprising you don't hear a difference without the grinder. Add a grinder to a machine rated 43 decibels or lower and you'll hear the difference. Motors and pumps on the newest machines are so small, quiet, and energy-efficient that nearly anything can be heard over them.
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Post# 784141 , Reply# 9   9/17/2014 at 00:09 (3,480 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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The machines are in no way silent, but I don't consider a soft hum and a little muffled water sloshing to be loud. When standing next to it in the kitchen you can tell that it's on, but it's a soothing sound. Once you're past the bar and sitting into the adjacent living room area, which has no wall or doorway dividing from the kitchen, you can barely tell it's on, unless of course the house is dead silent besides the dishwasher. Even still, it's in no way disturbing or annoying, and I have no desire to sleep next to it or sit in front of it with someone and have a conversation, and further still it wouldn't be enough to disrupt either scenario.
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Post# 784143 , Reply# 10   9/17/2014 at 00:26 (3,480 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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You're right: Those machines aren't loud. I grew up with a 1974 Kenmore, so I know loud. I'm just saying they produce enough sound that adding a grinder to the mix isn't noticeable. Put a grinder on my GE and you'll definitely hear the added hum.
I honestly don't mind taking 5 seconds to rinse off a filter every two weeks in trade for not hearing that extra hum. Nor do I mind single-rack washing systems with their smaller, quieter motors and pumps. Every one I've had has been an excellent cleaner. Yes, Normal and Heavy cycle times are longer, but the Express (30 mins.) or Light (49 mins.) cycles do a fine job on food prep dishes, so relatively fast, consecutive loads during day-long cooking adventures are still viable. As has been mentioned before, I often spend the better part of a day in the kitchen on weekends with the dishwasher running consecutive loads the whole time. Under those circumstances, a nearly silent machine is a gift. When I load the machine and leave the kitchen for another room, you're right; it isn't quite so important. |
Post# 802069 , Reply# 12   1/3/2015 at 01:20 (3,372 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I have a Whirlpool Gold dishwasher with a food grinder in it. It does have spray arms operating at once. Food grinders are always better because there's no filter to clean. Whirlpool needs to go back to the point voyager design! |
Post# 802224 , Reply# 14   1/4/2015 at 12:02 (3,371 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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That video is of a Miele dishwasher, like mine. I love the video since it shows how effective the wash system is and filtration as well. I have my dishwasher set to nag me at 40 loads to clean the filter and there usually isn't anything on the filter pot. I open the hatch for the fine filter hopper and get anything out that maybe in there.
Eugene there is a grinder in your GE dishwasher believe it or not and why GE would put one after the filter is beyond me. The one we have in the tenants apartment is doing well and it's a year old now so no issues whatsoever. Plus it's quiet as well. I am amazed at the water power that the GE has...the lower arm shoots jets right to the top of the tank and the middle and upper arm have plenty of power when they are in use. The loudest dishwasher I ever used has to be a belt drive Maytag reverse rack JetClean dishwasher. 2nd loudest was the KitchenAid portable. The Maytag didn't have a grinder but you knew when that dishwasher was running. The KitchenAid wasn't all that bad but one could hear the swoosh of the water jets from the 4 way HydroSweep. That dishwasher was a one arm wonder, but a pain in the ass to load. If one had all plates for the lower rack then it was fine, anything else...not so much. I did love my Whirlpool PowerClean Quiet Partner dishwasher in my house in Omaha...that thing had so much power and anything I put into it came clean. Never had to clean anything twice from that machine. |