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The Story of How the Mobile Maid Came to Be |
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Post# 784560   9/19/2014 at 07:16 (3,504 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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This morning's blog post is going to make a few people quite happy I think :-)
Designing a Better Portable Dishwasher |
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Post# 784569 , Reply# 2   9/19/2014 at 08:01 (3,504 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 784573 , Reply# 3   9/19/2014 at 09:08 (3,504 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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check out control panal on oven. Never saw one like that. |
Post# 784576 , Reply# 4   9/19/2014 at 09:34 (3,504 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 784579 , Reply# 6   9/19/2014 at 10:07 (3,504 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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Robert. That link has enough distraction for days of reading - many good articles, as this one. One article about the GM Tech Center caught my attention. As it's fairly close to my hometown, I remember when it was new and the parking lots that covered so many acres, were full(unlike today).
Thanks for mentioning this ...have a good one!
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Post# 784606 , Reply# 7   9/19/2014 at 15:16 (3,504 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Post# 784612 , Reply# 8   9/19/2014 at 16:15 (3,504 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 784616 , Reply# 9   9/19/2014 at 16:34 (3,504 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 784630 , Reply# 10   9/19/2014 at 17:20 (3,504 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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*LOL*
Knew someone years ago who grew up on the same street as the house and yes it is still there! www.iamnotastalker.com/2011/10/25... www.zillow.com/homedetails/172-S-... |
Post# 784701 , Reply# 12   9/20/2014 at 06:35 (3,503 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 784714 , Reply# 13   9/20/2014 at 08:24 (3,503 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Great article Robert, Thanks
One of the most important recurring things mentioned in the development of this product was keeping the cost of building these DWs down. During a recent discussion about GE GSD1200 and GSD2800 DWs from the 1980s one member decried that taking the reversible front panels out of DWs as a cost cut like that was a bad thing. Without cost cuts and production improvements few of us would be able to have modern appliances at all, can you imagine how much a Kitchen-aid KDS16 would cost today if improvements and cost cutting had not occurred, maybe $3000 or more, very few people would have DWs at all. In the US around 80% of homes and apartments have a DW, this is almost double the rate of homes that have DWs in much of Europe where the cost of DWs is much higher on average partly because they are overly complicated and expensive to build. |
Post# 784717 , Reply# 14   9/20/2014 at 08:53 (3,503 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Interesting observation about the cost of building a dishwasher, John. I would liken that to the 'replacement cost' of rebuilding a house after a major fire or other damage - to rebuild it to the same standards using current materials and at current prices can be very expensive!
Also interesting was the article mentions that GE was very aware of the cost to the consumer, not just of the dishwasher but also for installation. I know I've droned on about this before, but in the neighbourhood where I grew up, most folks had portable dishwashers because of the oddball plumbing arrangements in the kitchens. The homes were more or less all built by the same builder and they all had a long drain pipe running from the main drain stack through the base cabinets to the sink. You may have had the 24 inch space for a dishwasher, but not the depth... One of the few built-in units was in the house of a friend of mine and whoever installed it did a really nice bojack job of it; they hardly used the dishwasher as a result. Fortunately I saved it when the house was sold a few years ago! |
Post# 784767 , Reply# 15   9/20/2014 at 17:43 (3,502 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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All those protests about the supposed durability of the Plastisol liner feel to me like ad-speak - an attempt to gloss over a situation that GE must have already known was brewing.
I personally cannot imagine that deliberately cut Plastisol did not generate rust. Oh, maybe not in the first two nanoseconds, but it would not have taken long after that. I speak from long and bitter experience. Remember, it wasn't too long after this that GE was making a service part for the pull-out undercounter models - a stainless replacement floor to stop the Plastirot affecting so many of those units. |
Post# 784771 , Reply# 16   9/20/2014 at 18:34 (3,502 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Am here to tell you it is like playing a game of "Whack a Mole" with the inner tub of GE Mobile Maid dishwashers.
Having patched the Plastisol interior of damage the unit arrived with one is constantly inspecting for other spots trouble and taking proactive action. Think one of the major problems of at least top loading MM dishwashers is the damage to tub liner from dropped utensils such as knives or forks. Since one loads things downwards it probably was only a matter of time before someone drops something that resulted in nicking that plastic liner. Mind you enameled porcelain on steel tubs on both dishwasher and washing machine tubs can suffer the same fate. However much depended IMHO upon the quality of the porcelain interior and of course the user. The fact so many vintage dishwashers and washing machines with such tubs are still out there with interiors in pretty decent shape I think proves my point. In linked article GE goes into much detail about bacteria counts and so forth on porcelain versus Plastisol. Well that very well might have been true but just because germs were on/in the tub interior it does not follow they would transfer onto dishes. Between several water changes at temps >140F, highly alkaline detergent and then a heated drying don't think we need worry about how sanitary dishes were coming out of either machine. That plus detergents at the time contained healthy dosages of chlorine bleach. Need I say more? All marketing is putting a spin on things to push goods or services. GE had to know fully well the drawbacks of using Plastisol for dishwasher tub linings, but chose to cheap out instead of going with porcelain. The fact ever GE/Hotpoint dishwasher repair manual from the "Plastisol" era gives instructions on how to repair tub linings tells you something was up. IIRC GE also sold replacement parts for the metal under tub. |
Post# 784780 , Reply# 17   9/20/2014 at 19:24 (3,502 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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I, personally, don't attribute the calculated greed to companies like GE in the 1950's that I've come to expect from GE in the last 30 years. IMHO, GE decided to experiment with a relatively new Firestone plastic compound that they thought might create a better liner(less chipping, noise muffling) for dishwasher tubs than the porcelain of the period which, I'm told, had serious limitations on application at that time. I would guess that at the time it wasn't much cheaper to use than porcelain. It didn't work as well as they had hoped, but it wasn't so disastrous that they had to make an immediate change. I think the accessory stainless bottom liners were needed more for the early machines that had 750-watt heaters that I've seen that broiled not only the tub bottoms but whole sections of the bottom racks.
My family owned a couple of these machines, one for 13 years(the one I yap about incessantly in these forums) and it didn't have a blemish anywhere and lots of different people, some careful, some not, used that machine. By 1960, GE put a fine chicken-wire cage over the bottom of the tub so most fallen silverware and stuff wouldn't go all the way through. I collect these machines and 4 out of 5 of them have pristine tubs; one has a "mole" to use Laundress' term. I think we all agree that there is no better material for dishwasher tanks than high-quality stainless steel, but, as a collector, I find the different styles and colors of liner Plastisol to be low-voltage delightful. Unlike some, I like the smell; it reminds me of the wonderful Plastic Goop that we used with our Mattel "Creepy Crawlers" and "Vac-U-Form"toys. Would I buy a dishwasher today with an applied plastic lining? No. Would I buy our SU-70 v.2 again if it were available today? In a heartbeat.
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Post# 784848 , Reply# 18   9/21/2014 at 06:51 (3,502 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 784856 , Reply# 19   9/21/2014 at 07:28 (3,502 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)   |   | |
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My 66 Mobile Maid is running well, I seem to have currently fixed the Plastisol rust spots well, but yes I get one or two pieces of silverware sticking thru the rack, etc, either stopping the spray arm or scraping the bottom liner. Would a stainless wire screen at maybe 1/4inch square holes, tied under the entire bottom rack, help me? Or hurt me by impeding the water spray? No one loads that machine but me, but I ain't perfect. Or maybe I should just screen the silverware basket?
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Post# 784861 , Reply# 20   9/21/2014 at 08:25 (3,502 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 784914 , Reply# 23   9/21/2014 at 13:23 (3,502 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 785048 , Reply# 24   9/22/2014 at 01:46 (3,501 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Love my MM dishwasher and am constantly amazed what it can do in <50 minutes as opposed to my previous Kenmore that took over one and a half hours.
Shame these top loading dishwashers weren't around longer and or shall never likely be introduced. For small/cramped kitchens IMHO they are streets ahead of even 18" units because one does not need room in front to open door. |