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Zerowatt making pulsator and agitator washers in Asia...who knew???
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Post# 784978   9/21/2014 at 19:07 (3,475 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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And since when (the of course *better*) agitator action is called "spin"??? LOL
And look!No indexing tub! Cannot believe it! Usually these new toy-like machines always have an indexing tub! That's good.
Didn't know Zerowatt gone that far in producing their appliances, maybe that came after hoover acquisition by candy that owned also zerowatt.... anyway... Zerowatt is now a ghost brand in it's native land...








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Post# 785001 , Reply# 1   9/21/2014 at 21:23 (3,475 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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That agitator action looks nice and strong and certainly moves the clothes nicely through the water :-)

Post# 785002 , Reply# 2   9/21/2014 at 21:27 (3,475 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Wouldn't the spinning agitator be incredibly abrasive on fabric?

Post# 785046 , Reply# 3   9/22/2014 at 01:38 (3,475 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Think I like "spin" better,less tangling-noticed when the user took the clothes out of the impeller machine some of its was a tangled wad.Guess would be some concern with delicate items with the agitator-does the machine have a "gentle" or slow agitate speed?Otherwise a good little washer for deep water agitator fans.I would like this one.Would actually think the impeller may be more damaging.

Post# 785065 , Reply# 4   9/22/2014 at 06:58 (3,475 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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My personal views:
We have seen the long stroke action before, especially in Australian machines and or anyway in the ones sold in OZ since long now, both with an asian derivation or not, I recall Hitachi, Hoover wathever...






I personally cannot see possible any "abrasion" or tear, as long as you don't overfill it..clothes swish freely "as it should be with any machine"...
...washing well?... that's another matter.
Premise: I am not a fan of these "long strokes" ones at all as I don't think them as effective as the "regular" agitation...
Though, it depends also by the agitator a washer has, I actually find this particular Zerowatt wash someway better than a wash done with a "nervous" short and fast strokes like the DD whirlpool by using the Dual action, though not of the ones mounting a "newer" super surgilator as I like how it does, I also find this zerowatt someway better of the new Hotpoint/GE hydrovawe with the agitators... machines also having this kind of long strokes and inversion motor, though these ones have a dual action coil also..
Am never been a fan of dual action anyways...
Speaking of Pulsator, there is really no comparison with an agitator, ever, and video infact wants to show just this, and it is evident..., agitator "spin master" is what distinguish Zerowatt top loaders, they don't make any pulsator automatics as I previously thought, except for twin tubs.
As usual with pulsator machines what you get is a beautiful ball spinning in the huge whirlpool these machines creates, that's all you get IMO.
I think the is no actual method/criteria of wash in these pulsator machines as I can see that nothing or very little can and so gets beaten through the water, hence there is no or very little water forced through the fibers....it just spins clothes in the whirlpool along with the current created...that's my opinion about...
And....
If there has to be a damage or "abrasion" anyway because of of overloading or something like that, I see that more likely with a pulsator machine....

Regarding the gentle speed of the Zeroeatt I think it has it, by reading the technical sheet it states it has a gentle cycle, and it being an electronic model I think it automatically reduces or adjust the speed along with the cycle selected ....
www.zerowatt.co.id/QUESTIONMARKRE...



Post# 785075 , Reply# 5   9/22/2014 at 08:30 (3,474 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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I have had both Hoover and Hitachi machines and found neither damaged my clothes at all. I found i needed shorter wash times as the agitation was so strong in fact. Both machines did great jobs on heavy soiled loads with only the occasional stubborn item needing an extra soak or re-wash.

That being said I did find the Hitachi spun the clothes into rope more so than the Hoover. The Hoover had a second Gentle speed which had a short pause between agitation pulses. The Hitachi did have a Gentle speed but I cannot remember what it did as I only used it once or twice. Heres video of both of these machines in action.











Post# 785078 , Reply# 6   9/22/2014 at 08:39 (3,474 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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Another Hitachi machine I used had slightly different agitation. It was very fast with fairly long strokes. THAT particular machine did seem to be a bit too rough. I remember a few of my shirts losing buttons and fraying at the bottom after being in this machine. It was only quite a small capacity so perhaps I had overloaded it a bit which would have certainly not helped it. Video of it below. One of the first vids I uploaded to YouTube!






Post# 785113 , Reply# 7   9/22/2014 at 13:18 (3,474 days old) by nrones ()        
It's Candy

In 2007 Candy bought Jinling electrical (china) in order to have already experienced personel for making their machines for 20eur less each than in Italy.

Before Candy bought it, they produced these typical type of Asian top loaders and Candy decided to keep it. So after a big overhaul and renovation of the factory it can produce 1.2 Million of front loaders (EU standard) and 800.000 of such Asian top loaders. Many of those washers end up in China and close countries as Candy is getting more and more popular there, so there are many our models re-done for their market (see pictures attached)

They even launched a Candy version of such top loaders called ArcO.


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Post# 785147 , Reply# 8   9/22/2014 at 16:07 (3,474 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Thanks Dejan, so it's Candy behind it....guessed right....the Zerowatt front loaders in the Indonesian website are by all means Candy's machines infact.....but the top loaders...who knows? It's all news to Candy as you said....t
I knew Candy bought stuff in China and was making stuff in Asia also, though was not aware of the Zerowatt being marketed there as well.
I fully understand their choice to keep the production of the "top loaders" and give/bring the due "improvements", they needed that down there...LOL
So do you think this Zerowatt is made in China by former Jinling and then bettered by candy?
Or maybe they bought an indonesian company also?
The Candy ArcO looks different than the Zerowatt, at least the lid window.....so who knows....
You know....those "asian" machines really look all the same to me.... whether having an agitator or a pulsator.....cannot distinguish them like I can do with machines from other countries....
I tried taking a look on the chinese candy website, trying to see if I could spot the indonesian zerowatt badged model, but it won't let me open the datas nor the different pics of models of toploaders, except the ArcO you posted...
I was surprised to see the Zerowatt brand still "alive" so far away, it's just an almost forgotten brand here as you probably know, it became so after the candy acquisition... would have never guessed it was now marketed in Indonesia...I am glad it's still in Italian hands at least, as for the same Candy, all this in these terrible times for economy in this country....







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Post# 785158 , Reply# 9   9/22/2014 at 16:55 (3,474 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Matthew, thanks for the videos, I have watched them long ago, didn't know it was you behind the screen, very nice thanks for making them available.
The machines you posted looks so much better than many I could see today, though as I said I don't like how they got to be down there in the years compared to the past, I mean the long stokes, all plastic etc... the same way I don't like how they got to be in the US, and Europe is not exception with the FL's, but I never liked them so....
In the US they "ruined" otherwise still strong and well built, I'd say "excellent" quality machines with an "odd" wash action and agi's... I mean whirlpools DD, short fast strokes combined with dual action agi's and so also the new GE's post filter-flo (Then everything got either whirlpool owned or GE and soon we got the decay), only exception was Speed Queen that still gives me hope as of today, when things simply degenerated around.....
Talking about australian machines, if I had to choose, then I'd give myself me an Hoover like this



Or a simpson like this:







Not to mention this Beauty:
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...



Or this:



But then we talk about vintage, and that's not the approptiate forum... :P


Post# 785219 , Reply# 10   9/22/2014 at 22:50 (3,474 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Thanks for posting all the interesting videos!

Post# 785222 , Reply# 11   9/22/2014 at 23:26 (3,474 days old) by washer111 ()        
Our Previous Simpson...

Used a similar method of agitation to these much older (and far, far, far better) washing machines.

Prior to owning the Simpson, we also owned one of the Hoover DeLuxe "Heavy Duty" machines from the early-1990s. Great washing machine, and was always quite interesting to watch.
Was replaced due to a faulty lid switch, which caused the machine to cut off during spins. Also had a bad leak develop, which was spraying near some electrical objects...

The only drawback to such an agitator would probably be the "wave" of water that appears to develop during each stroke (or spin), and could potentially spill over/exasperate rust. Given that our machine lasted 15 years, it clearly cannot have been a major issue, however.


Post# 785310 , Reply# 12   9/23/2014 at 17:12 (3,473 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
For what concerns the last ones I posted...

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Joe, you have to thank Leon...
Machines and videos belongs to him.
I always liked that particular Hoover machine, that IIRC was based on US Blackstone.
It also had an internal 2,5Kwh heater IIRC, as typical of some Aussie and UK TL's...
If I had one here I could not think using the heater though, too costly, especially now... I'd do everything to have an hot water faucet nearby, which is not an issue as big as it was once, though still being a considerable issue at least in this country and others, after all that's one of the reasons that killed TL's or anyway agitator washers or whatever used more water than a FL in Italy and Europe generally....

Houses here didn't have proper hook ups or proper hot water supply for laundry machines, and sometimes that was also when they were portable like the twin tubs, then different urbanization and homes/buildings and laundry locations than US, overly expensive electricity costs compared to US ....heating their own water became too costly with these machines....







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Post# 785357 , Reply# 13   9/24/2014 at 00:12 (3,473 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Thanks, Leon!

Freddy, I am excited to be visiting Italy! Leaving Philly on Thursday and will be there for 10 days.


Post# 785367 , Reply# 14   9/24/2014 at 01:50 (3,473 days old) by washer111 ()        
Top-Loader with Heater

I think those blasted things are why cold water washing has caught on so much here... 

 

Despite cheaper energy costs "back then," it was and would be ludicrously expensive to even think about washing several loads in water heated to water temperature... We're talking at least triple the amount of heating an FL would typically do!

 

Unfortunately now, washing in cold water with modern high-efficiency front loaders (and TL machines, even if not efficient) it giving a false sense of economy for the most part (and mold/mildew growth): Most people now use Solar water heaters - especially outside of Tasmania, if not, Gas or Heat Pump are the options - AFAIK, electric heaters are forbidden, except where gas supply or sunlight is not in plentiful supply (Tasmania - Very 'rural' place). For most of us then, washing in warm/hot is very cheap, if not free.*

 

*I'll admit that many modern FL's do not cater for a hot connection. Some do permit it, even the "cold-only" models with a heater, provided the inlet is not more than 50 or 60C. Shouldn't be an issue now, with the tempering devices that are now mandatory.

I'd consider it just for the benefit of warm rinsing! 


Post# 785368 , Reply# 15   9/24/2014 at 01:51 (3,473 days old) by washer111 ()        
Before I Forget

Certainly must give our friend Leon thanks for taking the time to document the operation of classic "Australiana" in action!

 

Nice to see some Australian representation on "the Youtube," as they say :)


Post# 785384 , Reply# 16   9/24/2014 at 06:18 (3,473 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Not 100% sure about it, I thought these machines would anyway have the possibility to be connected to hot water, and built-in heater was used only to bring water to temp whenever supply didn't reach the " right" gradation of hotness, of course they could also be connected to cold only when hot faucet wasn't available, but time and energy use would have been much....it was of course preferable to have an hot faucet anyway, granted that your hot water source was not an electric one as well, but even there at least it saved the time... Not sure how it is/was in Australia though I think that electric water heaters didn't "last" as heating method as long as  in the US (where today are commonly used) , or at least not as commonly, I mean the "switch" to gas or the seek to whatever cheaper started way more widely and before the US, better speak of earlier increment and or historically greater/considerable electricity costs vs others sources in Australia that made it happen....am I correct thinking this? US have been blessed with chepaer electricity costs and alot of other factors compared to here. In the US  the centralized hot water in homes became common before than here also... In europe, well with a few exception like France (Great nuclear energy production), or  UK (coal) historically we didn't get many electric water heaters if not for the typical small wall hanged ones ( kitchen or  bathroom, bathroom for the most) in locations or situations where you couldn't do otherwise, but since the early days they preferentially opted for alternative sources than electric so even for the early local ones ( before they were wood) so gas, and so of course happened later even for the centralized ones... but as said the commonness of centralized "hot water" came later than the US, many older buildings and apts still don't have it, but still the local ones....though newer buildings post 50s or anyway older and even ancient that gone through an internal remodelling does...OTOH europe developed a centralized gas availability  that reach  about * everywhere* so gas supply or limited space to fit a gas tank for  the single homes  is not that much of an issue like it is elswewhere, so for this and  it's delivery and adjunctive costs... over here the nat gas reach pretty much everywhere.... Anyway.... Let's say that with twin tubs or wringer washers heating your own water was more economic than with an automatic, this in the days housekeepers did all the week washing in one day, at once, so consequent wash re-using the water, you heated water once and kept using it hot, till warm and ready for last loads of colored... Infact they still lasted for long times in the UK... Automatics, except for sud saver models (and keep in mind not everyone could have a tub to store it, actually very few given the laundry locations over here) , just throwed all the wash water away for every wash, and just used it once, then things evolved along with social and living style, people would not actually do all the laundry in one day, but when they needed in any time of the day, week etc.. So the twin tubs ( those who could switched to automatics before) as well as sud saving top loaders btw not common here , just  quitted to exist  at one point and everyone went forward with FL's.... Cold  or cooler wash, we have seen it developping for many reasons, during the time, once it was just a claim of some detergents, though realist people realized what the truth was, this is happened  in some places more than others, and  I am sure that the reasons you mention also played a role  in the Cold water detergents creation..sometimes you just couldn't get an hot wash...or enough hot water.....and detergents were the only thing one could rely in these situations.... Today....well....it's just warm instead of hot or cool instead of warm, is a trend...as it is in Europe and everywhere thanks to this enviroinmental craze, global warming theories, tree huggers etc... we discussed about it thousands times... Claims everywhere about detergents working in cold water ( they all and I mean all, magically and suddenly started claiming being improved/changed to work as well in cold, persil, dash, ariel, sole, store brands...you name it', even though being actually the same as before IMO, all this thanks these Govs, US and EU bullshits agreements and derived trends to turn people to use cooler washes because this will save the planet! LOL), as well as bombardment of advices to turn  down the temp knob from the actual TV, magazines etc...and we now arrived to the actual machines  following this eco-trend to make money, claiming to work in cold as well as they does in HOT  thanks to nothing else but " magical" powers LOL ...And  in some places as we can  unfortunately  see this thing of temp is even indirectly "mandated" because of regulations and not even a choice, I mean with machines  that will not fill complete hot water but mix it... OTOH life styles  and  mentalities changed furtherly generally for many people, and so   did the laundry,  now is not as dirt and stained as it was once, canons  defining what a heavily soiled laundry or tough stain is, changed really much today vs what a very soiled or tough stain load was back then ... here is how some people (always more) is happy with these machines anyway...though not everyone..luckily...as we all know ;)



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Post# 785421 , Reply# 17   9/24/2014 at 08:32 (3,472 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I am sorry , editing it all the lines got one next another...don't know why, I got some weird symbols I tried to correct it but it won't let me.



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Post# 785514 , Reply# 18   9/24/2014 at 17:14 (3,472 days old) by washer111 ()        

No trouble, Freddy.

I get the same trouble. What you have to do is cycle between the Advanced/Non-Advanced Editor, and preview your post a couple of times to clear those "sticky symbols." Well, thats what works for me, anyway :)


Post# 785655 , Reply# 19   9/25/2014 at 13:13 (3,471 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Thanks for the tip.

I  really didn't use much this editing bar, though I've started recently..(BTW now I see what the problem was, I started writing that comment with the laptop and edited it with the Ipad, Ipas is unable to use the bar)  this is because  i realized at times stuff  I  think to express in a way as I  am writing  then  may be taken very different  on the written form than what I mean, I realize this of course once I read it , they really sound rough, didn't mean to and I see they can be easily be misunderstood,  though I can't help it ..it's just me...and my way to express..
I think Emoticon helps to give that important part of facial expressions and the way you wanty to express something....
If I had a decent webcam  I would actually make a video comment  sometimes, especially for long comments,  and upload it on YT  with PVT video embed and share it, it saves lots of typing too....maybe I can launch a new fashion, thoug not good for archives maybe...... sealedLOL




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