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Thread Number: 56298
70s Westinghouse washer Belt |
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| Post# 786328 , Reply# 1 9/29/2014 at 19:45 (3,490 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore) | ||
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what are you referring to that is rotating instead of draining? | ||
| Post# 786332 , Reply# 2 9/29/2014 at 19:55 (3,490 days old) by mohnashaat () | ||
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the agitator | ||
Post# 786903 , Reply# 4 10/2/2014 at 17:47 (3,487 days old) by coldspot66  (Plymouth, Mass) |
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I beleive that was called a pre-pump solenoid. Used on early Westy top load washers to loosen the belt during pump out. | ||
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Post# 786905 , Reply# 5 10/2/2014 at 17:51 (3,487 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass) |
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Also new part # for Q181625 is 5308001832. Still available. | ||
| Post# 786914 , Reply# 6 10/2/2014 at 18:52 (3,487 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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| Post# 786978 , Reply# 8 10/3/2014 at 01:31 (3,487 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
 Do you have the matching dryer for your washer? Here's a dryer that looks very similar in Mirabel...
www.kijiji.ca/v-laveuse-secheuse/... 
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| Post# 787023 , Reply# 9 10/3/2014 at 08:49 (3,486 days old) by mohnashaat () | ||
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It seems they were separated twins since birth :) No one replied about the belt | ||
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Post# 787039 , Reply# 10 10/3/2014 at 10:16 (3,486 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 787397 , Reply# 12 10/5/2014 at 10:02 (3,484 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
My family had a very similar Westy top loader, maybe one model down with water temps selected by the timer dial, purchased in 1971 or 72. It used a spin drain. The fact that the tub and agitator rotates but the water does not pump out makes me wonder if your pump is frozen or if something is jamming it. Have you opened the pump to inspect it?
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| Post# 787402 , Reply# 13 10/5/2014 at 10:25 (3,484 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Ignorance is bliss? | ||
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Post# 787530 , Reply# 15 10/5/2014 at 20:34 (3,484 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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WH TL Washer Problems
The Pre-Pump Solenoid was only used on a few early versions of this machine in the US and it was also available as a add on kit for later models to solve various problems that are always possible with spin-drain washers. When the solenoid is energized the belt is loosened so the washers tub can drain with almost no spinning action.
If the motor is running and the machine is not draining the pump is either blocked or otherwise broken, of coerce this is assuming the motor is running in the correct direction, otherwise you may have a timer problem. | ||
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Post# 787625 , Reply# 18 10/6/2014 at 08:42 (3,483 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia) |
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here, try this: good night.
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| Post# 787888 , Reply# 21 10/7/2014 at 19:58 (3,482 days old) by mohnashaat () | ||
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Any help ? | ||
| Post# 787973 , Reply# 22 10/8/2014 at 10:43 (3,481 days old) by mohnashaat () | ||
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Today i will install the belt and i'll try both configurations, any suggeations ? | ||
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Post# 787991 , Reply# 24 10/8/2014 at 12:14 (3,481 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 I am not familiar with this Westinghouse mechanism, but the belt would logically need to be loosened, so as to slip on the pulleys, during a neutral drain period. The pump is direct-drive per a post above (mounted atop the motor?) so the pump will still run at full speed with a "loose" belt. Stands to reason that the belt should be tight around the motor and transmission (and clutch) pulleys during both agitation and spin. Is the idler pulley spring-tensioned to apply pressure on the belt to tighten it when the solenoid is not energized? Does the solenoid pull the idler away from the belt against the spring tension to loosen it? | ||
| Post# 787999 , Reply# 26 10/8/2014 at 13:07 (3,481 days old) by mohnashaat () | ||
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Is is spinning to fast when it starts to drain and suddenly it stops (it is not supposed to) may be and overload ? is the Belt Q181623 equivalent to the Q182625 ? this can explain every thing if the belt is quiet shorter | ||
| Post# 788000 , Reply# 27 10/8/2014 at 13:12 (3,481 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Mohamed, I have no experience with any Westinghouse washers but from what I understood in the previous posts in this thread (including yours), the solenoid releases the tension on the belt at the beginning of the drain cycle to remove some strain on the motor.
From what you say, once the tub is empty, the solenoid de-energizes and the belt has more tension for the spin, which would be normal (I guess!).
If the solenoid has no effect, maybe the belt with the different number is just too small! Not releasing the tension on the belt at the beginning of the drain cycle could cause an overload... On some washers that have a clutch to slow the spin speed at the beginning of the spin-drain cycle, if the clutch fails to slip, it often overloads the motor which causes it to stop for a few minutes. In your washer, I guess the solenoid that loosens the belt acts as a clutch (like the clutch in my cheap lawn tractor which just releases the tension on the drive belt!).
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| Post# 788011 , Reply# 28 10/8/2014 at 14:07 (3,481 days old) by mohnashaat () | ||
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Thanks Phil, i think this is the conclusion the belt is may be few millimeters too short. Some one told me that the motor can be shifted to adjust the belt ? | ||
| Post# 788029 , Reply# 29 10/8/2014 at 16:34 (3,481 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 788052 , Reply# 31 10/8/2014 at 18:50 (3,481 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Why would there be a need for the mechanism to incorporate the solenoid and idler pulley and trigger it in the cycle sequence as you describe -- engage at end of wash or rinse agitation when the tub is full, disengage at near-empty when the water has drained (presumably when the water level pressure switch resets) -- if the machine is to function as a spin-drain unit? Seems to me it's intended to be a neutral drain system. | ||
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Post# 788095 , Reply# 34 10/9/2014 at 00:55 (3,481 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Westinghouse belt replacement
The green Westinghouse washer in the YouTube video is mine and I had to do a belt replacement in it for the exact same reason. The washer sat unused for too long and the belt layers eventually split apart. I did find a new replacement belt known as a "clutch belt" and purchased two of them so I know I have an extra stored somewhere. When I find it I will post the brand and model number. According to my repair manual the belt model number is Q-63260 and is a V-belt. I just can't remember where I purchased mine.
I went ahead and scanned a couple of pages from the service manual I have. My machine dates from about the mid 1970s, has a fast agitation and a spin drain. The belt tightness can be adjusted by selecting a slot on the idler spring adjusting link. I tried to place it in the same spot that it was originally in. If it's throwing water too fast then loosen it a notch or two. FYI, it is normal for this machine to have a slight "hot belt" smell during the spin drain. That's just the friction on the belt which is what it's supposed to do. Hopefully these scanned pages will help a little. 
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Post# 788096 , Reply# 35 10/9/2014 at 00:56 (3,481 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Post# 788120 , Reply# 36 10/9/2014 at 07:47 (3,480 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Early 70s WH TL Washers
The pre-pump solenoid was not used on many machines that were sold in the US, in almost 40 years of repairing appliances I think I have seen one. It was too bad that they did not go to the extra cost of adding this solenoid to all the washers as it would have saved a lot of belts, as Jon mentioned the belt in these washers actually gets hot and smells a little as this machine struggles to pump out the water and spin at the same time.
The ONLY REASON why any TL perforated basket washer does a spin drain is that it is CHEAPER to build a machine that does not need to do an extra function of a neutral drain. Westinghouse apparently went to the extra cost of building ND machines for markets where clothes dryers were not as common, this was done to minimize complaints of lint and dirt being redeposited on clean clothing. | ||
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Post# 788131 , Reply# 38 10/9/2014 at 09:28 (3,480 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Early 70s WH TL Washers | ||
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Post# 788178 , Reply# 40 10/9/2014 at 16:15 (3,480 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Glad I could at least help a little. I actually like this machine and have been using it quite a bit for various types of loads. I think it does a good job. The spin can be noisy when it's off balance. I'd love to see more pics of your machine and maybe even a little video if possible. I would love to get one of the hand wash ramp agitators. They look even more aggressive and probably do really well. Anyways, hope it works like a charm for you!
Jon | ||
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