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Daily Mail on BEKO hazardoous appliances!!!!
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Post# 789283   10/16/2014 at 08:47 (3,451 days old) by rosmebraad ()        

The Daily Mail has a story on how BEKO items could be dangerous: Leaking gas,


Title: "Killer in the kitchen".

Is this a symptom that the drive for (a low) retail price is sacrificing safety, durability, materials consumption and solid machine performance?




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Post# 789298 , Reply# 1   10/16/2014 at 10:33 (3,451 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I think this is symptomatic of one company making a manufacturing error and not acting quickly enough on a recall. Given the large numbers of cookers that were probably made, this is a small number of reported problems. While I understand they could be liable for corp. manslaughter, I would expect that if they'd acted quicker then people could have been safer.

I also suspect there may be an element of user error that has caused the problem, but that is not entirely the point.

Basically, I think it is like the Toyota braking recall where the tolerances of manufacturing on a part have been brought to a point where it has caused a problem. Given that these parts are quite likely made by a third party supplier, it would appear to be more bad luck than designing cheapness into something at the cost of safety.


Post# 789302 , Reply# 2   10/16/2014 at 12:01 (3,451 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

I'll never buy Beko now.
So thats another thing to add to their (Disaster) list:

1. Tumble Dryer Fire's
2. Fridge Fire's
3. Oven Fire's
4. Oven's that Gas people (to death)
5. Shattering Door Glasses on Ovens under heat
6. Washing Machine door glass exploding (well most brands had this too)!

Thats 6 flaws I know off, how many more is there? They have the most problems than any other manufacturer. We've all said Indesit is bad, and Candy's bad, but how wrong are we?


Post# 789351 , Reply# 3   10/16/2014 at 16:22 (3,450 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

I don't think they are much worse than any other, and they have at least responded to faults. It took Indesit more than two years to get round to recalling their dishwashers that were catching fire.

To be honest, I don't think they have had much more in way of problems than other companies have, it's just that the size of Arcelik and sheer volume of sales under their various brands means that you will hear about these problems more.


Post# 789354 , Reply# 4   10/16/2014 at 16:37 (3,450 days old) by A440 ()        

What a terribly sad story. I can't get over that when he bought this cooker there had already been 5 deaths from the same model? How in the world could this be?


Post# 789400 , Reply# 5   10/16/2014 at 21:34 (3,450 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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What a sad story and what would appear to be a serious safety flaw. Regardless if it was stated in the manual that the door not be closed during operation, there should have been allowance for that possibility if it could result in such a deadly danger.

I am not familiar with these "grills" found on so many European cookers, perhaps a quick course on their features and use might be helpful to understand. I would assume this is like a "broiler" here in the states? Are they typically separate in only gas cookers or both gas and electric?


Post# 789417 , Reply# 6   10/17/2014 at 00:04 (3,450 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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I did like my Beko washer for the most part it was just a few niggling things that annoyed me enough to replace it. The lack of ability to spin the simplest loads was the biggest. Bedding was a no no and often resulted in a complete 'abandon spin' or a spin at 400rpm. Towels were hit and miss. The Simpson/Tricity Bendix I have now is an amazing washer so I am happy I changed but its a shame to see a brand with so many good points having just as many negative points.

Post# 789420 , Reply# 7   10/17/2014 at 02:30 (3,450 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        
@gansky

It depends on the brand.
Some ovens manufacturers do still sell the US style separate Grill, which is usually above the Hob on top? (very rare now though)
However most have it built in to the Top Oven. Most manufacturers, put in a similar grilling element to those used in the states above the hob, and obviously no door on them ones, so when Grilling you leave the top door open. Whether its Gas or electric, the gas flame is fired at a large element, which heats up, while the electric ones heat the element itself.

Obviously leaving the door open can be a real safety problems, especially if children in the house, or the oven is an under counter double oven. Bosch/Siemens (and I think Miele now) have overcome this by removing the typical grill element, and instead increase the surface area of the oven element, so you get similar grilling effect, but with the door closed, whether its on full or half grill.
So if you switch away from Bosch to another brand, such as Beko, chances are they wouldn't think about the leaving the door open. That said, that particular Gas oven, its on Grill or Bake, you can't have both.


Post# 789482 , Reply# 8   10/17/2014 at 15:38 (3,449 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
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UK We grill USA you broil I believe!


Post# 789944 , Reply# 9   10/21/2014 at 16:18 (3,445 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Speaking of recalls, have a look at this...!

The UK recall website, which collated all types of product recalls, has apparently closed due to lack of funding and interest from Government and manufacturers.



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Post# 789956 , Reply# 10   10/21/2014 at 17:10 (3,445 days old) by iej (.... )        

Not sure if this one is of any use to you, but this is the Irish NCA (National Consumer Agency) recall list:

www.consumerhelp.ie/product-recal...

I'd assume a lot of the products would be the same.


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Post# 790075 , Reply# 11   10/22/2014 at 16:13 (3,444 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Cheers!

The UK Government is as useful as a chocolate fireguard, on every level!


Post# 790451 , Reply# 12   10/24/2014 at 16:49 (3,442 days old) by Aeg03 (London, UK)        

mattywashboy,

That's a shame to hear your Beko washer was very sensitive on spins. That's put me off buying a top end Beko when I buy my flat. I have a cheap Beko in the flat where I'm currently living with others and it spins heavy loads, unbalanced loads without any issues. It's only 5kg size. So I don't understand the logic of Beko making their high end washers overly sensitive.

I had to sell a Zanussi (Electrolux) machine back in 2012 for being too sensitive to spins. Majority of the time it would take up to 20 mins to spin or abort them. I bought another Zanussi based on their previous generation which spins everytime without fail and is more substantial. It's a shame they didn't retain their quality.


Post# 790517 , Reply# 13   10/25/2014 at 05:25 (3,442 days old) by BoschExxcel ()        

I had exactly the same problem with my old machine, a Caple (Fagor, didn't choose it. It was already in the house). It would rarely spin with a load of towels, often aborting after 20 minutes of trying to balance. In the end I had enough and replaced it with a Whirlpool which isn't sensitive at all! It spins up to 400rpm before even thinking about rebalancing. Sometimes I pause it so it rebalances!

Shame about the Beko spin problem, from your videos it looked like a nice machine.


Post# 790594 , Reply# 14   10/25/2014 at 15:43 (3,441 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
"Sometimes I pause it so it rebalances!"

I do that to my mum's 8 year old Bosch. It has a tendency to gallop into spin without so much as a by your leave, shaking itself to bits in the process.

A sensible machine would do a couple of very short, slow spins to get rid of most of the water and then redistribute before ramping into the faster speed spins.

I often wonder who authorised the daft spin sequence on that range of Bosch machines.



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