Thread Number: 56756
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
All New Whirlpool Cabrio |
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Post# 790645   10/26/2014 at 07:25 (3,441 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790646 , Reply# 1   10/26/2014 at 07:32 (3,441 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790647 , Reply# 2   10/26/2014 at 08:02 (3,441 days old) by BoschExxcel ()   |   | |
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Im not a fan of toploaders but that's nice! |
Post# 790648 , Reply# 3   10/26/2014 at 08:20 (3,441 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I seen it too....while the impellor may seem a bit different than the past, I am curious as to its washing effectiveness of past versions....
outside of one wash cycle with a DeepWash, I don't see this any more than a new face lift on old technology....most likely still doesn't have a sprinkler, or add any more water to the load..... and what?.....$500.00+++dollars for a machine with a DownyBall! AND its gonna hold 4 baskets of laundry per load, the old version was barely effective at 1/2 basket!..... they should to offer a double your money back guarantee that you will love its performance!.....Whirlpool offered a 6 month trial on the Calypso when it came out, love it or return it!....that's how I got mine.... |
Post# 790649 , Reply# 4   10/26/2014 at 08:20 (3,441 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790655 , Reply# 5   10/26/2014 at 09:00 (3,441 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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1) No Downey Ball, dispenser in drawer. 2) No SOFTENER button. Must always rinse with softener enabled. 3) Deep Water isn't a cycle, it is a modifier to most cycles. 4) Five Cycle buttons on the left. How To's are modifiers. 5) Steam option, so there is a heater. 6) No hoses included! 7) No Sanitize certification, so Hot must be Warm. Malcolm |
Post# 790658 , Reply# 7   10/26/2014 at 09:11 (3,441 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790659 , Reply# 8   10/26/2014 at 09:12 (3,441 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Not sure about that. The NSF certification requires 4 consecutive minutes at a temperature of 160°F I think. No way to reach this without the use of a heater. Though, on Normal mode, Hot will be Warm, I doubt this is true for all How To's. And there are only 5 selections. I read the manual earlier this week. |
Post# 790671 , Reply# 10   10/26/2014 at 10:49 (3,440 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I'm not a fan of the impeller style machines, but I do like what they've done to this one. The cycle and option selections remind me of the Kenmore from the POD 10/23/14, where the cycles are named Colors, Special Knits, etc. I'm also glad that the Deep Wash is an option that can be added to almost any cycle, so it gives the consumer a CHOICE to use the low water HE wash, or a more traditional cycle. I wonder if the new design of the wash plate is to give better "blooming" wash action in both low and high water situations.
I do see this as a step in the right direction. I'm glad that while Whirlpool is a large corporation, they are campaigning now to appreciate things like laundry and other chores, rather than trying to cover them up by saying "just push this button and forget it". Rather than saturate the machine with gimmicks and bells and whistles, everything on the control panel is something that will be useful in some form to any user. It also is without the need for WiFi and apps and other watered down features. I'm almost wanting to buy it right now haha. If you haven't, you should go to their website and watch the video for their Every day, care. campaign. I like the message that they are relaying, especially because of how much I appreciate the work that goes into the things that are sometimes taken for granted. |
Post# 790672 , Reply# 11   10/26/2014 at 10:50 (3,440 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790674 , Reply# 12   10/26/2014 at 10:58 (3,440 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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It looks like it is the F&P motor direct drive version of the WP Cabrio machine.
While these washers have been out for almost ten years now they have held up no better than the Calypso and certainly are more problematic about balancing and handling big loads than the Calypso. It should have the recirculating water pump system however, all the DD top load washers have had one. |
Post# 790675 , Reply# 13   10/26/2014 at 10:58 (3,440 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 790676 , Reply# 14   10/26/2014 at 11:09 (3,440 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790677 , Reply# 15   10/26/2014 at 11:21 (3,440 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Why are these any better than a plain old front load washer? |
Post# 790679 , Reply# 16   10/26/2014 at 11:28 (3,440 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Jerrod6,
For some frontloaders are not a choice i may not like front loaders but for some it easyer using a topload washer right now i may have a frontload washer as a daily driver but the next washer me and my mom will buy will be the hubesch topload zwn432 model with matching dryer and also it depends on space where the washer is install. So far this new whirlpool looks great makes me wonder if they will offer an agitator model as well. |
Post# 790680 , Reply# 17   10/26/2014 at 11:37 (3,440 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I don't think you will ever see any new agitator machines introduced, WP had an agitator version of this washer earlier that has been discontinued.
Agitator washing of clothing is just not efficient [unless you reuse the wash water for at least three loads of clothing ], you just can't get users to use the huge quantities of detergents hot water etc needed for good cleaning, and if you do manage to use enough detergent for decent cleaning you use way too much water trying to rinse clothing in a deep rinse washer. Fortunately for all mankind Agitator full fill washers are fast going the way of the incandescent light bulb. |
Post# 790711 , Reply# 19   10/26/2014 at 16:34 (3,440 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I don't recall ever needing to use huge quantities of laundry detergent or hot water in any washer in my lifetime, and most certainly not in the 2012 belt-drive Whirlpool I have now. I can load dirty clothes to the top of the basket, sometimes more, use a scoop or cap full of detergent to the line recommended on the box for either type of washer, and the clothes feel crisp and clean after one rinse. The only obstacle in the way is the long fated battle against the detergent manufacturers, one hugely guilty culprit being P&G, stripping the product we've always used with great results of its core ingredients, only to put them in a more expensive bottle with a fancier smell and name.
Regardless of front-load, top-load impeller, or top-load agitator styles, water's chemical makeup has not changed in the time humans have walked the earth. Scientists have not suddenly recoded its molecules to be more effective in lower quantities. It still takes water to clean, and it still takes water to flush detergent and left over dirt particles away. Jumping to a different but related note, it's nice to see that some companies are putting the consumer's choice back into the machines. For too long a user has been forced to endure things like measly spray rinsing and luke-warm water when they need hot. So far, Speed-Queen is producing washers that now appease the DoE while still offering traditional cycles that work as people wish. With this new Whirlpool, it's now possible for any cycle to use deep water should it be desired, and having a heater built in will at least give steaming hot water when dirty diapers and soiled bedsheets need it most. The bottom-line is that consumers should be able to use the machines they pay for as they see fit. It's up to the manufacturers to make sure that is possible while also making sure the machine CAN abide by energy restrictions under a regular basis. If you feel that your clothes are being sufficiently cleaned by half a gallon of water, more power to you. If you can't wear your clothes without itching unless they have gone through three deep rinse cycles, you should have the power to do so. My grandmother washes a load of clothes that should be set to large on her plastic GE top-load, but is actually set at Extra Large, as she feels the clothes should roll freely. After the initial wash and rinse cycle, she sets the timer control to Heavy Soil again, without detergent, and lets the machine proceed through an entire wash and rinse again. I myself don't deem that many rinses necessary, as I'm happy with my washer's performance, but she feels more comfortable if she knows there is no more detergent residue left, and that's all that matters. |
Post# 790725 , Reply# 20   10/26/2014 at 17:45 (3,440 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 790726 , Reply# 21   10/26/2014 at 17:54 (3,440 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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It is so strange.... Looks like a bolt to me in the back of the drum.
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Post# 790728 , Reply# 22   10/26/2014 at 18:03 (3,440 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Are the Cabrio and Bravos dryers using this same blower set up? Why is the blower set up like this? So the drum can be bigger in the same size cabinet? Many complaints about this design. |
Post# 790731 , Reply# 23   10/26/2014 at 18:32 (3,440 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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this could prove to be an interesting machine and setup.......
first of all, its a TIER 1 for Energy Efficiency.....that means it will use more water.... and the operating instructions are specific of not favoring ALL Cold washes.....warm/hot must be used for clothes cleaning as well as machine maintenance....that was interesting, and something we have been saying all along! if it is along the F&P design, lets hope the function of the machine is as well, don't see a mention of a recirc/sprinkler, but alternating spin and wash will at least make sure detergent and water are saturated through the load.... I'd like to see one in action on a regular load.... |
Post# 790733 , Reply# 24   10/26/2014 at 19:15 (3,440 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Isn't this the drum design that tore apart in some of the new Duets? CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK |
Post# 790734 , Reply# 25   10/26/2014 at 19:28 (3,440 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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According to the parts list, this washer works like the other current Cabrio Platinum models: recirculation pump and F&P-style Direct Drive motor.
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Post# 790735 , Reply# 26   10/26/2014 at 19:33 (3,440 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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The "pin" in the center of the drum is indeed a steam nozzle. The dryer is 2 1/4 inches deeper than other Cabrio dryers. The vent system:
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Post# 790779 , Reply# 27   10/27/2014 at 06:14 (3,440 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790781 , Reply# 28   10/27/2014 at 06:50 (3,440 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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About the only thing really new to these machines is the touch electronic control that does away with the troublesome membrane controls that Malcolm mentioned.
The nut looking thing in the middle of the dryer bulkhead is just a spray port that a fine mist of water comes out of for the steam feature, WP-KM has had this feature for about 10 years now. WP builds dryers with three different style blowers, direct drive with the blower wheel mounted directly on the front or rear of the motor, this dryer has the blower on the front of the motor. On some of their bigger dryers they either use a belt driven blower like Brent posted in reply # 22, on higher end models the blower has its own variable speed motor eliminating the belt. We have not seen many problems with these new systems, but they are more complicated and will be prone to some problems that you would not have with the blower mounted directly on the motor. The excessive lint build-up pictured in reply#22-2 is typical of a dryer that is not vented properly [ or at all LOL ]. The pictured build-up has NOTHING to do with the design of this dryer, I have seen every dryer design imaginable is as bad a condition in my career. The picture Brent shows has also been doctored if you look at the duct at the bottom of the lint filter housing, you can see they stuffed hand fulls of lint in it before the picture was taken, lint would never built-up in clumps like that. For a dryer to be in this condition the area around the dryer would also about the same. |
Post# 790825 , Reply# 29   10/27/2014 at 12:58 (3,439 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 790829 , Reply# 30   10/27/2014 at 13:19 (3,439 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)   |   | |
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FINALLY! I have been reading this thread waiting to tell you more about this machine! I've spent quite a bit of time on this machine so I am happy to answer as many questions as I can about it!
1) This is NOT an Oasis machine. It is not based on the Fisher & Paykel design. This is an entirely new platform. Yes, it does still use a BPM motor just like the Oasis machines. 2) The washer has a drawer type dispenser for detergent, softener, and oxi-bleach (on some models). There is a separate chlorine bleach dispenser that dumps into the tub like most washers have. (As opposed to dumping in the basket where the chemicals from the drawer go.) 3) The washer does have a recirculation spray. It comes from about the 4 or 5 o'clock postion. 4) The washer does not have a drum light (sadly). 5) The nozzle in the dryer is for water. It sprays a very fine mist on the clothes to create steam. 6) You couldn't turn the drum light on in the dryer for any of the Oasis match (Saguaro) dryers that had the Whirlpool label on them. You could on the Maytag Bravos though I believe. |
Post# 790831 , Reply# 31   10/27/2014 at 13:25 (3,439 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Interior Lights: That seems to be happening with more and more brands/models. Whirlpool and Maytag front-loaders are two examples. The GE RightHeight model (spendy, of course) still allows the light on during operation, as do some LG models.
I'm starting to think I need to hang on to my 2010 Frigidaire pair as long as possible: No dumbed-down hot water; shorter Normal cycle time (44 vs. 80+); steam, allergen and sanitize water heating options; Max fill option (which I use on loads with liquid chlorine bleach); interior light can be switched on during cycle; most importantly, they're paid for, LOL! As for the "What" and "How" controls: Merely different words describing the same controls all our washers have. "What" = Cycle; "How" = Options/Modifiers/Default Settings. Great electronic touch controls, though! Had them on my LG dishwasher and far preferred them to the membrane controls on the Frigidaire washer. Glassy and classy. Edit: Thanks for the official update, Jamie! We always appreciate any inside information you can share with us. |
Post# 790861 , Reply# 32   10/27/2014 at 18:45 (3,439 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Thanks for the information Jamie, I discovered this morning when looking over the parts list that this machine is indeed quite different from previous F&P style washers.
The big difference that I see is the washer can agitate without filling the machine with enough water to cause the inner basket to float and disengage the basket from the drive shaft and only allow the impeller to be driven. This change may allow much smaller amounts of water to be used in this washer than the previous design. It also appears that this new WP washer design now has an easy to change shaft,seal and bearing assembly. This will make this washer easier to keep running for longer service life as well as making it use even less energy than the previous design. I say this is great news, thanks Jamie for your efforts on this new machine, and to think we knew when you were just 13 years old and now you are helping make the washers of tomorrow possible. |
Post# 790912 , Reply# 33   10/28/2014 at 01:08 (3,439 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I HATE whirlpool and I'm not a huge fan of top load washers but I have to be fair and admit these machines have a breathtaking design. it's probably the first time in my life that I can say "WOW" after seeing a new Whirlpool washer. My only concern is... impeller again? Let me guess: this machine uses more water (2 teaspoons + 2 drops) |
Post# 790929 , Reply# 34   10/28/2014 at 05:44 (3,439 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 791001 , Reply# 35   10/28/2014 at 16:33 (3,438 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 791023 , Reply# 36   10/28/2014 at 17:51 (3,438 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 791055 , Reply# 38   10/28/2014 at 22:24 (3,438 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 791079 , Reply# 39   10/29/2014 at 03:56 (3,438 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 791090 , Reply# 40   10/29/2014 at 06:57 (3,438 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 791150 , Reply# 41   10/29/2014 at 13:38 (3,437 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 792519 , Reply# 42   11/7/2014 at 13:08 (3,428 days old) by WP-Dude22 (Trinidad and Tobago )   |   | |
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@A440 the dryer blower was designed like that for higher airflow and because i think those models of WP cabrio dryers did reverse tumbling but im not sure as for that pic with lint OMG that is horrid .. |
Post# 792587 , Reply# 43   11/7/2014 at 19:18 (3,428 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I am not aware of any WP Cabrio dryers that reverse tumble and in my experience having a dryer reverse tumble is a complete waste of time that actually makes the dryer take longer to dry and causes more repair issues.
There is no need for a decent sized dryer to reverse tumble, there have only been about two US appliance makers that ever made a dryer that reverse tumbles and both were abandoned because it did not help and just caused problems. |
Post# 792880 , Reply# 47   11/9/2014 at 08:11 (3,427 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Ok Washman its now VERY clear if it wasn't already before that your here to troll.
We've heard your opinions on every darn thread it seems and no amount of explaining time and time again from anyone here is going to work is it? I mean you cant fix stupid right? So I see no reason for anyone to try and fix you. Its a waste of time. The suggestion of you to have your own thread is a very good idea then you can chat away merrily to yourself as you see fit and nobody else need see your pointless moaning. |
Post# 792890 , Reply# 48   11/9/2014 at 10:42 (3,426 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This type of minor twist should cause little problem in terms of belt life, the forward-backwards twisting of of the drum drive belt of all dryers as they go around the motor pulley and then the idler pulley is far worse for belt life.
And if you really want to talk about bad design and belt life look no father than a SQ TL washer, last week we ran a call on one that was 6 months old where the pump got a sock caught in it. The plastic impeller drive stripped out and the washer continued to try spinning with water in the tub and the belt got so hot it melted the transmission drive pulley. So the washer needed a pump, belt and a transmission drive pulley. Ben the Corvairs belt was quite a different situation, their belt was driving an alternator, large engine cooling fan in a hot oily engine compartment, and it was just an old school 1/2" V belt. |
Post# 792909 , Reply# 49   11/9/2014 at 12:44 (3,426 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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Before I post next time, I'll be sure to get your blessing. Sorry I have an opinion that differs from yours. Don't like this thread? Fine. Then don't read it and more to the point, don't post on it. |
Post# 800069 , Reply# 50   12/21/2014 at 11:59 (3,384 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I just got in from running a couple errands. One of which took me inside my local Lowes. So, as I usually do, I strolled through the appliances section.
While there, I saw the latest Cabrio offering at $1100 for each piece w/d. Before I could get away, I was approached by a woman who proclaimed herself as the appliance guru for Lowe's. We spoke about the machine and she conveyed her disappointment in Whirlpool not offering this machine with the direct drive system but rather the noisy belt drive. Abruptly, she steered me to the TL LG machine with the controls on the front. Said these were the best machines on the market today. She opened the lid and said look at that all stainless interior. It was then I interrupted her. "It's just so much plastic and feels so cheaply made." "Oh, they are all plastic now." I said, "That's not true" "Speed Queen is still built out of metal." She shrugged and stated, "Speed Queen? Are they still in business? You probably can't buy them anywhere." Appliance Guru my eye! Malcolm |
Post# 800080 , Reply# 51   12/21/2014 at 12:42 (3,384 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 800084 , Reply# 52   12/21/2014 at 12:55 (3,384 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 800087 , Reply# 53   12/21/2014 at 13:19 (3,384 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Precisely the reason I already despise my job at Home Depot after only a month and a half, and I'm most likely walking out first thing tomorrow morning. They hired me after seeming impressed at the portfolio of machines I've restored, and the amount of mechanical and historical knowledge I have of appliances, and they gave all these promises of me being able to become Whirlpool tech certified so I could be a part of their technical service program, in addition to the opportunity of becoming department head and being able to really turn the place around and lead the markets. Nope. There's no such thing. The people I work with know nothing more than what the signs and brochures say. Everyone there seems to worship Samsung as the "leading appliance manufacturer", for what reason I don't know. Ask them about the difference between a washer with a direct drive inverter motor and one with a belt drive PSC; they know of no such thing. On top of that, the appliance department is part of the kitchen and bath department, and we're expected to cover that entire section, countertops, cabinets, plumbing, baths and showers, flooring, toilets, in addition to appliances. Maybe, MAYBE 1/10th of the customers I work with are actually for an appliance.
It's all about numbers and sales at these places. If a person can identify a washer and refrigerator, and read the signs posted above them, that's the only skill they need to become a "certified appliance specialist". |
Post# 803395 , Reply# 54   1/11/2015 at 07:32 (3,364 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 803410 , Reply# 55   1/11/2015 at 09:03 (3,364 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 803420 , Reply# 56   1/11/2015 at 09:47 (3,363 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 803429 , Reply# 57   1/11/2015 at 10:15 (3,363 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 803434 , Reply# 58   1/11/2015 at 10:35 (3,363 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 803451 , Reply# 59   1/11/2015 at 12:12 (3,363 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Is the drain pump on this machine vertically mounted? Sounds like the rhythmic cavitating my WP WTW4800 makes.
I've been wondering about the drive system on these. I heard somewhere they were the VWM platform, which made no sense with it being their highest-end. We had one of the lower ends with the redesigned wash plate and tub out on the salesfloor, but I couldn't lift the tub, so it definitely was the belt-drive. |
Post# 803460 , Reply# 60   1/11/2015 at 13:22 (3,363 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 803462 , Reply# 61   1/11/2015 at 13:43 (3,363 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Oops, sorry haha. I had forgotten that you had linked the parts diagram before.
I noticed looking closer that there is now a "clutch assembly" and a gearbox of sorts. I wonder if they finally realized that floating that basket took way too much water, and half of it wasn't even in the tub with the clothes. |
Post# 803481 , Reply# 62   1/11/2015 at 15:35 (3,363 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 803663 , Reply# 63   1/12/2015 at 15:07 (3,362 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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That vid of the new washer with the water glass on top is making the same sound our 1993 Whirlpool TL machine makes when it is finishing the neutral drain. I knew I've heard that sound before. |
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That is what the rest of the worlds Top loader machines have sounded like since the late 80's. I wasn't hearing anything out of the ordinary. |
Post# 808203 , Reply# 72   2/8/2015 at 12:52 (3,335 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 808206 , Reply# 73   2/8/2015 at 12:54 (3,335 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 808211 , Reply# 74   2/8/2015 at 13:12 (3,335 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 808434 , Reply# 75   2/9/2015 at 11:55 (3,334 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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That is most certainly not the direct drive inverter motor in that video. That sounds exactly like the VMW (or VWM? I always confuse them) motor and belt-drive system. Either that or they have completely botched up F&P's SmartDrive system. I guess I'm glad now to at least have the Bravos/Cabrio before they phase it out in place of this "new" system. I love the sound of the motor in this machine. Sounds just like the video that foraloysius posted above, albeit much quieter with the insulation underneath and the lid closed.
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Post# 808441 , Reply# 76   2/9/2015 at 12:30 (3,334 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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F&P has done several engineering and control revisions on SmartDrive that resulted in different operational sounds. My IWL12 may exhibit a smooth rrrrrr-rrrrrr-rrrrrr on some agitation profiles and a squeely rrsqqrrr-rrsqqrrr-rrsqqrrr or sqqqqrr-sqqqqrr-sqqqqrr sound on others, all on the same machine. Is Whirlpool required to follow F&P's revisions or can they make their own customizations? |
Post# 808609 , Reply# 77   2/10/2015 at 10:28 (3,333 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 811709 , Reply# 78   3/1/2015 at 09:00 (3,315 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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... but personally, I'd rather stay with plain white.
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Post# 811713 , Reply# 79   3/1/2015 at 09:26 (3,315 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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those machine are loud for some reason....I have a belt drive version....and there is some noise, but not like that....mine does have this very thick insulation covering the bottom of the machine.....
for many machines, like in a kitchen, I slid a piece of carpet or foam padding under both the washer and dryer, it greatly reduced that echo effect... as for the new Platinum Whirlpools, basically these are "Machines for Dummy's"....you have to select "What to wash" and "How to Wash".... the best review I seen was one lady complained it poured bleach all over a colored load.....WOW, are we the Jetson's...imagine that, a machine that lift that bottle of bleach up and pours it over your laundry....must have been one pissed off machine....I asked her to see a video of the machine doing that....because it could no way in the world be her fault!....she would make a fortune if it could load and unload itself too.....IDIOTS! |
Post# 811852 , Reply# 80   3/2/2015 at 00:13 (3,314 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Our Lowe's finally has this set on the floor. In person it's alot less impressive. It seems to have a huge capacity, but just as my Bravos is large, I know that the water level will be only about 20% of that tub at most. I was disappointed at the build quality of the lid on the washer and also the dryer door. Both have that squeaky plastic sound when opened and closed. I wonder if the see through material is acrylic instead of glass, because it doesn't feel heavy or solid at all. The dryer door actually bends and wobbles when you try to close it. I hate the dispenser drawer as well. Seems like more trouble than the built in dispensers around the opening, not to mention how flimsy the drawer is.
Apparently the washer was in its "agitate" mode when shut down and boxed up, and I could tell it's a similar drive system to what LG, and by extension, Samsung, have been using in their impeller style washers for a while. I turned the basket and the impeller would rotate at a slower but set rate, just as the LG will. I reached down and manually turned the impeller and you could hear and feel the gears that are now in place. I wonder why they decided that the Cabrio now needs a gearbox? And why does this machine sound so loud in comparison to the F&P drive version if it's supposed to be the TOL right now? |
Post# 811900 , Reply# 81   3/2/2015 at 07:40 (3,314 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 811960 , Reply# 82   3/2/2015 at 12:31 (3,313 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Seems as if Whirlpool might use this as the new washer platform - now there are models with a dial as well. |
Post# 811965 , Reply# 83   3/2/2015 at 13:34 (3,313 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Like the Cabrio, this looks really nice in the pictures but I'm sure it looks and feels like junk in real life. I can already hear the plasticky squeaking from that lid just from seeing the photos!!
Kinda makes me glad I got a high-end Bravos before the redesign. Despite some of the things I find annoying about the machine, it does have a very solid construction, at least in all the parts that are interactive with the user, and it has a nice clean but robust look to it. Overall I do like my washer a lot. |
Post# 811992 , Reply# 84   3/2/2015 at 15:42 (3,313 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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when i see the new whirlpool and maytag line i think so far the new speed queen huebsch 2015 are the much better choice
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Post# 814591 , Reply# 85   3/18/2015 at 11:26 (3,297 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 816779 , Reply# 86   3/31/2015 at 19:57 (3,284 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 816797 , Reply# 87   3/31/2015 at 21:37 (3,284 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I'm not very impressed. This is exactly why I want to get the Bravos XL fixed properly or more preferably replaced. I love its procedure for washing. I love the built in dispensers, because that drawer looks flimsy, in addition to it just dumping down straight onto the clothes. And I'm confused as to why there isn't much time spent on rotating the basket while recirculating the water. I like the way the Oasis machines handle that much better, with slow rotation and spray, then a quick spin to pull the water and detergent through, repeated several times over the course of 20+ minutes. I think that's why my machine cleans so well.
And the agitation sounds just like the agitator washer that I have. I guess because the gear box is nearly the same. |
Post# 816907 , Reply# 88   4/1/2015 at 12:59 (3,283 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 816940 , Reply# 89   4/1/2015 at 15:23 (3,283 days old) by extmaxspin (St Charles MI)   |   | |
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OK, I've never owned this style machine, and I've got to say I've never been impressed by the appearance of that style of operation. But after watching these videos, and understanding what I was supposed to be seeing (the "bloom" from the center), I'm mildly impressed...
My question is, why are all the videos I've seen of these machines in operation made with what I'd consider a small load at best? If I'm going to run a whites load that takes over two hours to finish, that machine is going to be full! I understand that when things are wet, they've settled and are packed on the bottom. I see that same thing in my FL machine too. But show me a load that starts with 15-20 bath towels, when they're dry, they fill the capacity of the machine. What's the turnover with that kind of load? Show me a load of towels like that "blooming" and I'll maybe consider one of these some day... |
Post# 816945 , Reply# 90   4/1/2015 at 15:46 (3,283 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I agree completely. The same thing applies to the Oasis machines. Mine performs so much better when it's filled 3/4 of the way up to a full load to the top row of holes. The blooming rollover is much more fluid, and the water level is usually about halfway up the basket. I'm eager to see how these new machines will handle that kind of load.
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Post# 817593 , Reply# 92   4/5/2015 at 13:33 (3,279 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 817594 , Reply# 93   4/5/2015 at 13:36 (3,279 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 817598 , Reply# 94   4/5/2015 at 14:34 (3,279 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Just like the Oasis, and practically every HE top loader available, the biggest weakness in this machine seems to be movement when you have different fabric types and weights mixed together.
There was a WP Rep at Lowe's the other day when I went to check out the other Bravos and compare it to the new Cabrios. I recognized her because she came in several times while I worked at HD, but when I got the chance to talk to her I quickly realized that her knowledge was based on scripts and product brochures, and she didn't actually know anything about how the machines worked.
When I got there she was showing one of the employees how she could stack cups on top, with a tennis ball balanced on the top cup, and put the machine into a spin and that there would be no vibration. While I was looking at the Cabrio Platinum (the Oasis version) she came over asking what draws me to that machine, so I explained what was going on with the Bravos and how I had the option of choosing a different washer. She proceeds to try and talk me into the new Cabrio 8500, and again starts a "spin" to show that there is no vibration. After about a minute of the tub turning at probably around 50 rpm, I look down and ask when it's actually going to spin, and she replies "but it's spinning now?" I wanted to walk away at that very moment. She then tries to argue with me that the new VMAX platform doesn't use a gearbox. *sigh* What amused me the most was how she told me that "it would have been doing me such a disservice if she had allowed me to purchase that older Cabrio".
Anyway, one of the things I asked her was if the new impeller design and agitation profiles were able to better handle mixed fabric weights than the Oasis platform, and she pointed smugly at the Mixed cycle. After seeing that video, it seems to have about the same movement that the Bravos does with mixed items.
To me, the new terminology for cycles and options translates to this: Mixed = Colors/Normal, Whites = Towels, and whites of course, Casuals = Perm. Press, and then Delicates and Bulky/Sheets as is, unless the new Bulky setting is designed for towels.
I love the look of these machines though. That capacitive touch panel is absolutely stunning. Not too crazy about the planetary gearbox or the new dispenser drawer though. |
Post# 817766 , Reply# 98   4/6/2015 at 14:17 (3,278 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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There are some condominiums in South Florida that forbid front loaders as there is a perceived NOISE/VIBRATION factor during spinning. Utter nonsense unless you are in an older building that is more wood and concrete.
So, in that sense, a top loading HE machine is the only option, if you must have HE. Malcolm |
Post# 817768 , Reply# 99   4/6/2015 at 14:43 (3,278 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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Our Samsungtag (even when it was brand new), a relatives 2009 LG and someone else's 2010 LG FL set I've used all shook the houses they were in on spin cycle. Is that not a problem with front loaders anymore these days? |
Post# 817779 , Reply# 100   4/6/2015 at 15:39 (3,278 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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My only reservation with front-loading machines is that, from what I've seen in person and through several users' videos, it seems that larger loads of laundry seem to just roll in a ball back and forth. I've watched quite a few where the load was by no means oversized, but a few items just stayed in the middle of the "ball" the whole time. I'm also not crazy about how sealed the environment is. They have very high spin speeds, but usually the swirling vortex of air causes little pools of water to collect around the door seal and the window, and then at the very end when the machine tumbles and fluffs the load, that water just gets sponged back up by the clothes brushing against it. If I were to be given a nice FL or got an excellent deal on one, I would most certainly use and enjoy it, but I'd always have a TL as well. The FL would be excellent for comforters and items that just don't move around well in a TL machine.
I think the balling up of the load happens more in modern machines that only use enough water to get the load soggy but with not much water to slosh around. Sure, the intent behind these machines is not so much to cause the clothes to move around each other, but to allow the detergent to soak in, but I just prefer and feel more at ease seeing the clothes get agitated. With top-loading HE washers, as long as you follow the manufacturer's instructions and load the machine properly, there is usually no problem with rollover or "blooming" action. In addition to that the load's center of gravity stays close to the driveshaft, which keeps stress on the bearings to a minimum, in my opinion. There's also not really any place for the water to go but down, so any water "pooling" is mainly underneath the basket away from the clothes. In the end I think it all boils down to personal preference, and what pros and cons are more important to a person, because every machine ever made has had and will always have its strengths and its quirks. |
Post# 817925 , Reply# 101   4/7/2015 at 11:49 (3,277 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Tis a handsome machine. I miss the amber LED lights though. The impeller here does look a little beefier compared to the WP.
www.maytag.com/-[MVWB835DW]-11124... |
Post# 817946 , Reply# 102   4/7/2015 at 14:17 (3,277 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 817965 , Reply# 103   4/7/2015 at 16:49 (3,277 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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WP seems to take their time keeping the sites up to date. Literally yesterday it showed the MVWB880 in the place that this new model has taken. I doubt this is the top-end model, and because there are only three HE top-loaders showing on the whole site, I'm sure the others will soon appear.
I think when they're populating the Features panel under the models that they just hit check boxes on what to display, because the last item is "Extra-Large Capacity -- These 4.3 cu. ft. capacity washers handle your largest loads" when the machine is actually 5.3. |
Post# 817999 , Reply# 104   4/7/2015 at 20:25 (3,277 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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I have washed loads so large that most here would probably have a heart attack... and items still moved all over during the wash. I did three loads today and paid extra attention to water pooling on the front gasket. After each cycle, there was a little less than a teaspoon of water on the gasket and even though I pulled towels right over it, none of the water was soaked up. Surprised myself.
As for the new top loaders, Whirlpool's internal product page shows three Maytag models that use the new design: 755, 835 and 855. All the old Bravos models without the dispenser drawer have gone, unfortunately. Also, only the TOL models seem to come in white or silver (and a red Whirlpool 8500). This is Kenmore's impeller. It looks to be a third of the height of F&P's one. |
Post# 818092 , Reply# 105   4/8/2015 at 14:00 (3,276 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Looks great while swishing three thin polyester items to the sound of music. |
Post# 818311 , Reply# 106   4/9/2015 at 18:11 (3,275 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan)   |   | |
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There is no way ANY of these impeller machines will get 7 of my greasy farm jeans clean in any way shape or form NO WAY these things are just JUNK |
Post# 818484 , Reply# 108   4/10/2015 at 13:38 (3,274 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 818496 , Reply# 110   4/10/2015 at 14:21 (3,274 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I found a couple of the things in his videos get me to head scratching.
Why does he feel like he needs to do a manual prewash of clothes before starting the main cycle? I think he made mention of the machine needs to be 'tricked' once or twice. I suppose he thinks it isn't using enough water. Why would you spend the money on a machine that requires so much user intervention? Malcolm |
Post# 818507 , Reply# 111   4/10/2015 at 15:09 (3,274 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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He mentioned watching a video of our very own Jamie, in which he explains that wetting clothes before the load sensing process can result in higher water levels during the wash. That's also why he adds the Oxi Dispense option to many cycles.
Henene - the steam option just turns the heater on to maintain and maybe boost the temp a little. |
Post# 818603 , Reply# 113   4/10/2015 at 18:16 (3,274 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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I'd like to see a SQ handle that kind of comforter. |
Post# 818604 , Reply# 114   4/10/2015 at 18:17 (3,274 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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But I have a full size comforter that looks much like the King Size in the guys video that I ran through the SQ last week and it handled it with ease, and no problem with turnover whatsoever. |
Post# 818612 , Reply# 115   4/10/2015 at 18:24 (3,274 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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That comforter would probably never even fit in the SQ. It filled the 5.3 ft³ tub to about 3/4s. The SQ is 3.3 minus agitator. Even if it would have fitted, there wouldn't be to much rollover. |
Post# 818702 , Reply# 120   4/11/2015 at 05:26 (3,274 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 819116 , Reply# 122   4/13/2015 at 16:26 (3,271 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Brief clip of my Neptune TL running some bedding on the Bulky Items cycle. A moderate-weight, twin-size quilted cotton/synthetic bedspread, set of sheets (fitted, flat, three pillow cases), and a shirt. Questionable as the Neppy TL may be, it does a better job than the Cabrio shown above which is expected considering the mechanics of the Cabrio's situation. I've done a heavy quilted queen-size bedspread, a moderate-weight queen-size comforter (which suffered a spot of powder-detergent burn), a down-filled queen-size comforter for a friend, and a couple pillows. The down comforter needed help to roll over but came out very nice, Brenda was happy. The pillows didn't do so well, got rather-much twisted around. Clip starts 75% to 80% into wash period (medium soil level). This is the higher of two fill levels, which reaches to the hubs of the tumbler wheels. The "normal" level is approx 1/2 as much water. Bulky cycle uses the higher level for all fills, all other cycles use it only for the final rinse. Note that the load gets "jammed" and doesn't roll over for several minutes until it shifts position enough for the tumblers to get a grip. This is a common occurrence particularly with small loads and/or light-weight fabrics. Some may remember I've mentioned a past load of 22 cotton and cotton/blend oxford-type shirts that *didn't* rollover even once through the entire wash period. Mixing heavier-weight items with light-weight items helps promote rollover. Drain sequence: Stationary to the lower water level, then a slow balance-test spin and the pump turns on again when suitable balance is confirmed. The pump cycles off/on throughout spin. |
Post# 819204 , Reply# 124   4/14/2015 at 06:08 (3,271 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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It does not reverse-tumble ... except for a half-turn to center the load (from climbing up the basket wall) when shifting into spin. Has a sort of torque-spring clutch that grabs the spin shaft when the motor reverses. The spirals seem to function to move & toss the load laterally for varying the tumble pattern. |
Post# 820847 , Reply# 125   4/24/2015 at 23:33 (3,260 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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The more I see videos surface of this machine, the more it's growing on me. However, while it would have been cool to upgrade to one of the new designs and have something "state of the art", I'm always the type to wait until a few revisions have been made in case there are any kinks or annoyances with a new platform.
I do see these being pretty reliable. Having very similar build qualities from the VMW design, I could see these easily lasting a long time with common sense and proper care. The 4800 (VMW agitator) I have will probably outlive all my newer appliances honestly. Three years of decent workloads and it still looks and runs like it's brand new. I have NO plans to let it go anytime soon. I'm hoping to one day have a laundry room wide enough to have both the 4800 and the Bravos connected, so that I can use it for items that I'd rather not add more stress than I have to in the Bravos. For some reason, the use of Downy Unstoppables and Gain Fireworks bugs me about those videos lol. I'd never use them in my laundry or my machine. Just an extra additive to try and rinse away. HOWEVER, I do have a bottle of the Gain Fireworks in the Moonlight Breeze scent, and they are PHENOMENAL for use in a vacuum cleaner. Unlike those horrid powders on the shelves that will ruin any bagless vacuums, these simply swirl around and make the exhaust air smell fantastic!!! I just sprinkle 10-15 pellets on the floor after I've emptied the vacuums and voila! Instant air freshener. |