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Post# 795930   11/25/2014 at 11:25 (3,411 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        

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In another thread, there was some curiosity about the dishwasher seen on the set of the Draper kitchen in Mad Men. It's clear at a glance that it's a D & M machine, but which D & M machine?

Below is an enlarged detail from a still frame, showing the clearest view of the dishwasher's control panel I can find. This had to be heavily tweaked for contrast, gamma and focus to get it this clear, so no kvetching that you want a clearer shot, mmkay?

John combo52? Whaddya think?





Post# 795931 , Reply# 1   11/25/2014 at 11:31 (3,411 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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The coffee service on the counter above the DW is the kind of little "touch" set decorators pride themselves on. The stuff is called Ikora, from the German manufacturer WMF (Wurttembergische Metallwarenfabrik). It's silverplate with a fancy surface treatment, done with heat and chemicals, to give it a pearlized look.

Since Betty Draper's ethnic heritage is German - her maiden name was Hofstadt - this makes Ikora a very suitable choice for her character.


Post# 795935 , Reply# 2   11/25/2014 at 12:13 (3,411 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The coffee server, at least, looks like it has an insulated metal shell or cozy over the ceramic pot. A family friend had a tea pot with a metal cover with insulation.

Post# 795937 , Reply# 3   11/25/2014 at 12:23 (3,411 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Yes, the coffee pot has an insulated outer shell over a white ceramic pot. The sugar and creamer also have removable shells. The surface of Ikora was not supposed to get put in the dishwasher, nor could it withstand harsh cleaning methods of any kind. It had a lacquer layer over the pearlization, and if the lacquer became eroded, it was goodbye, Charlie for the finish.

Post# 795944 , Reply# 4   11/25/2014 at 13:53 (3,411 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I'd guess it's one of the more unusual D&M rebadges like a Caloric or O'Keefe & Merritt.   That 'starburst' panel is something I don't immediately associate with a specific manufacturer. 


Post# 795951 , Reply# 5   11/25/2014 at 15:56 (3,411 days old) by scoots (Chattanooga TN)        
Coffee Set

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My grandmother gave my mother this coffee set; it's gone now and I miss it greatly, not only because it was stylish, but for sentimental reasons.

It was beautiful, with a dimensional look to the brushed metal shell, but as Sandy pointed out, the lacquer could not be damaged or the whole thing turned into a rusty mess. How ours ever got damaged, I will never know, it was NEVER used and set aside as a show set. We did live in a damp and foggy climate in coastal California at the time, perhaps it was the climate itself that did it in.


Post# 795955 , Reply# 6   11/25/2014 at 16:30 (3,411 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

Could the round blurred mark be a W for westinghouse?

Post# 795956 , Reply# 7   11/25/2014 at 16:35 (3,411 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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my wager is Gaffers and Sattler


Post# 795963 , Reply# 8   11/25/2014 at 18:20 (3,411 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Gibson

Post# 795997 , Reply# 9   11/25/2014 at 23:02 (3,411 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Am I the Only One....

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....Who thinks this DW must be another anachronism - something wrong for the period?

God knows I'm not an expert on D & M, but this just reeks early '70s to me. I was very familiar with Kenmore DWs at the time, and that door trim and latch lever are exactly the ones used on Kennies then.


Post# 796017 , Reply# 10   11/26/2014 at 04:44 (3,411 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Kelvinator? 




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Post# 796025 , Reply# 11   11/26/2014 at 06:59 (3,411 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The only reason I would not say early 70s was that the period had fake woodgrain on everything, it seemed.

John is on a trip so he might not see the question until a bit later than usual.

I wonder if this could be the D&M Speed Queen DW.


Post# 796028 , Reply# 12   11/26/2014 at 07:45 (3,411 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Weird DW

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The DW is a late 70s or early 80s D&M basic DW that has a doctored control panel.

Post# 796029 , Reply# 13   11/26/2014 at 07:51 (3,411 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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That would make sense.... At least when Betty moved to the new house in later seasons, the pink KitchenAid dishwasher was little more era-appropriate. 


Post# 796031 , Reply# 14   11/26/2014 at 07:57 (3,411 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I have seen this starburst design on a D&M panel before, think it was Kelvinator. The selector buttons look mid-70's Kenmore like to me, it wasn't uncommon to see similar knobs and buttons across the D&M offerings and spanning several years of manufacturing.

Like Johnny Cash working at the Cadillac factory!


Post# 796054 , Reply# 15   11/26/2014 at 12:00 (3,410 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
I Hope....

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....Someone can really nail this DW, because it's driving me nuts. I have everything else in this kitchen I.D.'d, even the laminate on the counters (Arborite's 'Sky Tulle,' which is current stuff, but looks vintage, except for its matte finish, which was a plus for filming, since it does not create unwanted reflections).

But not the DW. AHHHHHHHHH! And grrh. :)


Post# 796061 , Reply# 16   11/26/2014 at 12:55 (3,410 days old) by classiccaprice (Hampton, Virginia)        

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Didn't they change dishwashers in that kitchen at least once in the series run? I seem to recall another one at one point.

Post# 796063 , Reply# 17   11/26/2014 at 13:01 (3,410 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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I think you might be thinking of the KitchenAid seen in later seasons, after Betty remarried and moved to that mausoleum in Rye. Different house.

Post# 796068 , Reply# 18   11/26/2014 at 13:21 (3,410 days old) by classiccaprice (Hampton, Virginia)        

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Nope, I seemed to recall something else there... Turns out it was the cabinets before the dishwasher.

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Post# 796114 , Reply# 19   11/26/2014 at 18:42 (3,410 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        
I'm Gonna Agree With Caloric

The Partridge Family had a Caloric kitchen and their Dishwasher looked very similar to the one they had.

Post# 796126 , Reply# 20   11/26/2014 at 20:28 (3,410 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
G&S

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It's a Gaffers & Sattler.  Here's a link to a similar unit:



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Post# 796131 , Reply# 21   11/26/2014 at 21:03 (3,410 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Hats off to you, because you have definitely solved the mystery: "What brand is this?" Looking at your photo above, which appears to be a later model than the unit chez Draper, the indicia, their fonts, everything is a match.

However, we are still left with other mysteries, which may not be solved anytime soon. The site you linked to is quite interesting, but the author makes a very simple, yet critical mistake when they assume the dishwasher is at least as old as the acquisition of Gaffers & Sattler by Magic Chef.

The Website that author links to in support of their theory that the DW goes back to 1969 at the latest actually says that Magic Chef acquired G & S in 1969, not that there were no more G & S-branded appliances after that date. In fact, both the Draper DW and the one in the photo you posted look very much like "acquisition specials' - cheaply-made appliances using a once-exalted name. 1950s and early 1960s Gaffers & Sattlers appliances I've seen pictured are obviously well-made, expensive, luxurious appliances. These two dishwashers are no such thing. And I know enough about their D & M DNA to suspect that they're later than 1969.

I am under a distinct impression that Gaffers & Sattler was very much a West Coast brand, not often seen in the East. I have never seen one of their appliances in person. If that is true, that would put Betty Draper's dishwasher rather a long way from home.

At any rate, we don't know everything yet, but we have an excellent start, thanks to you, Nate. Cheers!


Post# 796134 , Reply# 22   11/26/2014 at 21:09 (3,410 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Interesting photo you posted, because it shows something that is hard to spot on the show itself.

That is a modern self-rimming sink, which was later changed to a correct drop-in model with a Hudee ring.


Post# 796138 , Reply# 23   11/26/2014 at 21:31 (3,410 days old) by A440 ()        

I have found this dishwasher twice.  Once behind Lowes, the other behind a Home Depot.

It is a D&M Kelvinator badge machine.  The one behind Lowes was a total loss with parts taken off.  The other was in good shape but I decided to pass.

What is written above the Starburst is "Automatic Dishwasher".  I think the buttons to the left was for heat on, heat off for drying.

The Starburst craze for dishes and such was around 1965 through early 1970's.  The dishwasher could be a late 1960's model.

One of the reasons for passing it by was because it was the crazy D&M design with the huge spray arm ABOVE the glass rack with no spray arm directly below the upper glass rack.  I always wondered what the design group was smoking to think this was a effective design.  

 


Post# 796141 , Reply# 24   11/26/2014 at 21:42 (3,410 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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While I can certainly believe that D & M made the identical dishwasher for Kelvinator, I am persuaded that the Draper DW is a Gaffers & Sattler.

If you will look at the photo Nate posted, you will see the Gaffers & Sattler logo in the center of the control panel, under the words "Automatic Dishwasher" in script.

Now look at the photo I posted. While it's blurry, the logo matches the one on Nate's example.

Last, there is an example of the Kelvinator logo posted upthread, by alr2903. It does not match the control panel of the Draper unit.

Because D & M would make damn near anything for damn near anybody, I can certainly believe that they made a Kelvy version identical except for the logo. But I'm also convinced that the Draper machine has a G & S logo.


Post# 796147 , Reply# 25   11/26/2014 at 21:53 (3,410 days old) by A440 ()        

Actually Sandy on the Kelvinator versions that I saw with the Sunburst in the middle....

The Kelvinator Stamp was NOT over the Sunburst.  It was over the Timer Control.  

If I remember correct it said above the Sunburst "Energy Saver".  To the left of the Energy Save was a Sunflower or something.

Perhaps if I see another I will snap a photo.

 


Post# 796154 , Reply# 26   11/26/2014 at 22:10 (3,410 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
D&M

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I think it is a Gaffers & Sattler and I bet the 2 buttons from left to right are rinse&hold than full cycle! I love to read the d&m brochures does anyone heve displays?
Thanks Peter


Post# 796156 , Reply# 27   11/26/2014 at 22:29 (3,410 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Kudos to jamiel

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He got original dibs on the right answer, so 500 points for him this round!  :-)


Post# 796157 , Reply# 28   11/26/2014 at 22:39 (3,410 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Acquisition special

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You're absolutely right, Sandy--recall that Chambers D&M I have hiding in the shed.  The Mercedes of stoves?  You betcha!  Not so much the dishwasher, though.  It was a cute match style-wise to the built-ins of the time, and there were elements that were slightly better than your average D&M, but it was still a D&M--clearly made so that they could have a fuller-line offering.  And yes, as with any brand, the date of the sale means nothing when the trademark gets exercised for years to keep it from expiring, so the blog is dead wrong there.

 

Of course, they were dead wrong when they posited that they had the oldest dishwasher on Earth.  ;-)



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Post# 796174 , Reply# 29   11/27/2014 at 03:51 (3,410 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I'm glad to see someone else mentioning Mad Men... I've been hooked on this show the last week or so, watching 6 seasons in less than 10 days...

I was hooked on this show because of the scene shots I saw...

The decor has me hooked... The infidelity sickens me.... :/ To the point Don was causing headaches........


Post# 796180 , Reply# 30   11/27/2014 at 06:52 (3,410 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Not to throw a wrench into the works, but I scrapped a Magic Chef dishwasher a few months ago, that had a similar, but not exact, console.


Post# 796188 , Reply# 31   11/27/2014 at 08:27 (3,410 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Kenny:

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No monkey wrench at all - because Magic Chef was the company that bought Gaffers & Sattler in 1969.

It stands to reason that there would be great similarities between the two brands after that, in addition to the fact that a D & M-sourced dishwasher is always easy to spot.


Post# 796215 , Reply# 32   11/27/2014 at 12:15 (3,409 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

If I were shopping for a dishwasher in the period and confronted with two or three identical machines with different branding I would surely pay extra for the one with the starbust on the control panel!


Post# 796219 , Reply# 33   11/27/2014 at 12:43 (3,409 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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If I'd been able to contribute to this on the 25th, I'd have immediately said G&S. 


Post# 796229 , Reply# 34   11/27/2014 at 13:54 (3,409 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Any idea of the time frame? My guess is sometime during the first half of the '70s.

Post# 796357 , Reply# 35   11/28/2014 at 15:01 (3,408 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Sandy:

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Sandy, I know the late 1970s and beyond models did not have that star-burst with "Automatic Dishwasher" in the middle of the control panel.  So, I'd hve to say first half of the 1970s.


Post# 796379 , Reply# 36   11/28/2014 at 16:50 (3,408 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
So -

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As I suspected - about ten or twelve years off for the time frame being represented.

Post# 797741 , Reply# 37   12/6/2014 at 16:02 (3,400 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)        
The Draper Dishwasher

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That dishwasher went in for Season #3 I believe. There is an episode where the maid turns on the dishwasher. You can actually hear it running.
Personally I would have hoped they would have installed a KitchenAid. But seeing a dishwasher in that kitchen was a treat!


Post# 797771 , Reply# 38   12/6/2014 at 19:46 (3,400 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Maybe, Maybe Not....

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"You can actually hear it running."

That might be the actual dishwasher, or could also be a sound effect dubbed in later. Hollywood does that kind of thing all the time.


Post# 798807 , Reply# 39   12/12/2014 at 21:15 (3,394 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        
Way too 70s to be 1963

I think the stylists didn't assume WE were watching MADMEN.

Post# 798808 , Reply# 40   12/12/2014 at 21:16 (3,394 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        
Way too 70s to be 1963

I think the stylists didn't assume WE were watching MADMEN.

Post# 803543 , Reply# 41   1/11/2015 at 23:07 (3,364 days old) by xchristx1 (Long Beach, Ca., Phoenix, Az.)        
Gaffers & Sattler

The initial episodes in this series drove me crazy. The refer was correct along with the Maytags that Betty used to stand against during the spin cycle. Then there was the dishwasher. POS from a later era that I think was eventually updated when they changed the fridge. In Cali, these dishwashers were in every tract house, same machine with different brand names on them. What is the reference to D & M branding? I know the threads late, I just found it.

Chris


Post# 803548 , Reply# 42   1/11/2015 at 23:37 (3,364 days old) by appnut (TX)        
D&M branding

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D&M--Design & Manufacturing.  Produced dishwasher under all sorts of brand names--as you say same machine with different brand names.  Kenmore, Magic Chef, Modern Maid, Gaffers & Sattler, Tappan, Caloric, Norge.  Slightly different racking features and cycle sequence options, but all the same. 


Post# 804829 , Reply# 43   1/19/2015 at 01:37 (3,357 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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It looks like they used the dishwasher in another set with different panels!

 

I have the same 1963 Frigidaire fridge and 1959 Frigidaire Imperial oven but on mine, the colors are reversed (and my oven lacks a window).

 

I also have the Custom Imperial double wall oven version with the same door as in the single oven Imperial on the Mad Men set. 


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Post# 804860 , Reply# 44   1/19/2015 at 08:40 (3,357 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Ah, Mrs. Rosen's (Linda Cardellini) kitchen.  Certainly didn't mind seeing her on TV again.  Never noticed the reappearance of the D&M though!


Post# 804862 , Reply# 45   1/19/2015 at 08:48 (3,357 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I missed that too!  I was fixated on the Kenmore rotisserie on the counter near the service entrance door where Mr. Draper would sneak in... 


Post# 804874 , Reply# 46   1/19/2015 at 12:16 (3,356 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Paul, I guess you wanted a part out of that rotisserie?!

laughing


Post# 804902 , Reply# 47   1/19/2015 at 15:04 (3,356 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Yes!  You got that right!  LOL 


Post# 804919 , Reply# 48   1/19/2015 at 17:37 (3,356 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
I Missed That Too....

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....Mainly because I was so P.O.'ed at both Don and Mrs. Rosen.

Even for adultery, that was just plain damn DUMB. I was surprised that only Sally caught them, and that no more came of it than did come of it. In fact, for a while there, I was expecting Don to get shot over it.


Post# 804924 , Reply# 49   1/19/2015 at 18:26 (3,356 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Sylvia's dish drainer's drainboard is wrong - that's a new Rubbermaid drainboard with the drain ramp on the side. In the '60s, dish drainboards drained from the end.


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