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Post# 795993   11/25/2014 at 22:26 (3,431 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        

Hello to all at aw.org. My name is David and I have a couple of problems with a Speed Queen Front Load washer that is less than 2 years old I could use and appreciate any advice before calling a service call on the washer.

I purchased the front load speed queen washer to replace a top load Speed Queen less than 2 years ago as the dryer I had with my first washer went belly up so I replaced the whole set.

The Queens are used in my home but I have 2 severly disabled young children and these machines are used equally to that of a assisted living facility. In my family we average 25-30 large loads of laundry a week.

Last nite as we were on about load 12 or 13 the washer started making this weird noise like popcorn popping and then started making a weird banging noise as it was accelerating into the final spin . When the machine got to the high speed the noise went away and as the machine slowed down the banging noise returned. I don't think that the machine was over loaded as it was the pg 13 load ( blouses, bras, underwear church sweaters etc).

The model# is AWN50R, is this machine a belt driven machine or a direct drive machine. In my family's situation is Speed Queen the best brand for durability and longevity? I have been really happy with the machine, it actually uses an enormous amount of water for front load washer and I don't get the bad smell as with other machines in the past.

Any advice in this situation would be great fully appreciated.

David





Post# 795996 , Reply# 1   11/25/2014 at 22:59 (3,431 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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John "combo52" is the resident Speed Queen front-load booster around here.   He may be able to advise you on what may be causing the noise your machine is making.

 

Based upon what John has said in the past, you would have a tough time doing much better than Speed Queen for build quality and longevity in a front-loader.


Post# 795999 , Reply# 2   11/25/2014 at 23:17 (3,431 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        

This machine holds more than it looks like it might hold. We have NEVER encountered any problems until now and it suprises me that we are having problems with it now. When our other Speed Queen dryer went out we were told that if we had any other brand of machines we would be replacing them on a yearly basis and that Speed Queen was the only way to go for our home and the enormous amount of laundry that MUST be washed. I was just curious to see if there was a better brand of machines. The original reason for buying Speed Queens is that it is the most popular brand among coin/card laundries and they are built like tanks. We have been pretty impressed with both the washer and dryer this far; I am not sure what model # is on the dryer I just know it has 3 auto cycles, timed dry, four temp setting end of cycle alarm and extra tumble. The dryer is electric

Post# 796000 , Reply# 3   11/25/2014 at 23:25 (3,431 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Don't the SQ front-loaders come with a longer-than-two-year warranty?


Post# 796001 , Reply# 4   11/25/2014 at 23:38 (3,431 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        

There are different parts of the warranty that are longer than others and I am not sure what is going on. There is no extended warranty on the machine as we were told when we bought them that Speed Queen does not offer a extended warranty. Would this problem be covered under warranty with the amount of laundry that the machine is doing. The machine is in a residential setting but doing the amount of laundry for a small commercial laundry. Can any of the Speed Queen enthusiasts chime in on this subject. I am not wanting to replace the machine and don't know how expensive it would be to fix if the warranty has expired. The Laundromats around here are extremely expensive and out of the family's budget.

Are theses problems bearing related or balance issues?


Post# 796002 , Reply# 5   11/25/2014 at 23:47 (3,431 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Could there be a coin or other object that found its way into the outer drum or in the rubber boot?

Post# 796005 , Reply# 6   11/25/2014 at 23:58 (3,431 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Your machine is being used in a residential setting.  That is all that should matter.  Less than two years even with as much use as your machine has had still isn't enough for it to be failing already.

 

I think Joe is onto something.  If you've been running full loads, and considering how often you've been doing so, the odds are pretty decent that a coin or button could have worked its way into the outer drum.


Post# 796006 , Reply# 7   11/26/2014 at 00:16 (3,431 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        

How do I access the outer tub of the machine? I haven't seen anything in the rubber boot of the machine. There is no screen/trap on this machine for fallen items such as on my mom's LG's. If I continue running the machine in it's condition could I possibly damage the bearings. If it is something caught in the outer drum will it eventually wash out and down the drain or would I be looking a plugged pump issue? From the noise that I hear it sounds mechanical like a bearing I am just not sure because once the machine hits the highest speed for that cycle the noise disappears until the machine starts decelerating and then it starts again until the cycle stops.

Post# 796008 , Reply# 8   11/26/2014 at 00:29 (3,431 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Any chance you could record the machine making the noise and post it here?


Post# 796015 , Reply# 9   11/26/2014 at 04:28 (3,431 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Similar issue

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I had a similar issue with my imperial washer. It turned out, in my case, that one of the rubber foot pads had cracked from becoming dry and brittle. I replaced all four foot pads and re-leveled the machine and it is now fine again.

I would start be checking the foot pads.

Malcolm


Post# 796162 , Reply# 10   11/26/2014 at 23:17 (3,430 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Sorry for the long wait for replies to be awnsered

So I was asked to work extra today and was not home to video the machine in action. I washed a couple of loads of blankets on the delicate/ bulky cycle and know the machine literally sounds like it is going to blow up. I noticed that the drum seems loose and that I can make the machine make this noise just by turning the drum by hand. I attempted to video the machine in action but the sound would not come thru on the video and then I couldn't get the video to upload onto the site.

Before coming home I stopped at the Speed Queen dealership and asked who they used for their service repairs and the guy at the store gave me a card of a repairman. I called the repair guy and he told me that he doesn't service Speed Queens if they are still under warranty. Can any one tell me why a repair guy for the Speed Queen brand would not service a machine under warranty?

The guy at the dealership said it was time for a new Queen, I sure hope that that is not the case.

David


Post# 796171 , Reply# 11   11/27/2014 at 00:45 (3,430 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Of course the guy at the dealership wants to sell you a new machine.  He clearly is not at all familiar with the product, or thinks you're not.

 

I suggest you contact SQ directly by phone -- not one of their dealers.  The number should be provided in the literature that came with the machine, or on line.  SQ will dispatch a certified repairman in your area as part of your warranty coverage.

 

If the guy the dealer recommended won't work on a machine that's under warranty, that strongly suggests he's not a SQ authorized repair man.  In other words, if he touches your machine the warranty is void.

 

From what you've described directly above, I wonder if one of the tub's springs has broken.


Post# 796177 , Reply# 12   11/27/2014 at 05:28 (3,430 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Definitely

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call Speed Queen!!

You would be amazed at what you can achieve by calling the manufacturer if you have a problem, *especially* with Speed Queen. I used to never do this. If something broke, I threw it away and got a new one. It never occurred to me to call them and complain (nicely)


Post# 796196 , Reply# 13   11/27/2014 at 09:42 (3,430 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Speed Queen FL Washer Problems

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It sounds like something might have gotten stuck in between the tubs. This is often something like an under wire from a bra. If you cannot find the problem easily call the local SQ repair service, your machine has a THREE year warranty that should cover all failures for both parts, labor and service calls, however if you got a foreign object caught in the machine this might not be covered, but a service call just to remove a foreign object should not be that expensive.

Your washer should last 10 years or more even with this heavy use, we have an installation where a pair of these machines has gotten 15-20 loads a day use for over 6 years now with no major failures. However when you use a machine so much and depend on it for daily service you should have a 2nd washer as a backup as things will go wrong from time to time.


Post# 796218 , Reply# 14   11/27/2014 at 12:35 (3,430 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Top Load or Front Load

In the event that I have to replace the machine do I go with another Front Load or do I go back to the Top load Washer. Our last Speed Queen washer was running great and was only replaced for cosmetic purposes; the control panels on the 1st SQ was silver and blue and the new ones are black and white and the model of that washer was 2nd from the top of the line.

Thanks again for all of your replies and HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ALL!!


Post# 796231 , Reply# 15   11/27/2014 at 14:19 (3,430 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Considering your location, I'd guess water usage isn't much of a concern.  A SQ top loader would be far less expensive even if you went with the top of the line model, but the top loaders do still have a tendency to eat through drive belts, which could become a nuisance considering how much laundry you do.  I also maintain that rinsing is sub-par on SQ top loaders.  I had an Amana, which at the time was a SQ clone, and it sucked at rinsing, particularly towels.

 

Be advised that the newest SQ machines for 2015 will have electronic controls, so if you prefer knobs and dials, now's the time to shop.

 

I still think your front loader can be repaired and that it will provide you with many more years of service, but if you've found you prefer a top loader, that's understandable.

 

 


Post# 796343 , Reply# 16   11/28/2014 at 12:11 (3,429 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

So you have a Speed Queen FL machine that is less than two years old and the dealer told you to buy a new machine? That's the last time I would ever darken the doorway again of that dealer! What is he, nuts?

That is not typical of most Speed Queen dealers that sell their washers. Do as the others have suggested, call Speed Queen directly.


Post# 796371 , Reply# 17   11/28/2014 at 16:02 (3,429 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
Whirlcool,

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Whirlcool that is mostly how dealers function today they no longer went to repair older washers and dryers they will suggest to customers buying a new set instead

Post# 796374 , Reply# 18   11/28/2014 at 16:21 (3,429 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Pierre its also how you seem to deal with people here when they have a FL that's perfectly suited for their needs and it does not suit your agenda.

Before you suggest they throw out FL sets find out what suits THEM before you type your drivel.

OP - a FL makes perfect sense for your situation. The water and energy savings alone given the amount of laundry you do will soon rack up to a noticeable saving. The faster and more efficient spin of a FL will cut your drying times in the dryer again saving you money. FL's wash more gently and get clothes cleaner not only that do they rinse better than TL's so fabric wear and tear is reduced thus saving you money again given the amount of clothing you must wash.

Again like others have said consult SQ and be backed up on any trading laws and goods laws as applicable to you. Don't let them screw you.



Post# 796420 , Reply# 19   11/28/2014 at 22:48 (3,428 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Repairs are on the way

I have spoken with another Speed Queen Dealership here on the Oregon Coast; I explained my situation and there was some positive actions taken. This 2nd dealership called speed queen for me gave them my model number/ serial number and told Speed Queen directly what was going on and a repair man is scheduled to be here Monday December 1st. However there will have to be a trip to the coin op as all of our barrels are overflowing and cannot wait for Monday to get here with the part (s) to fix the washer. The second dealer ship has said what a few of you have said on here and that I have a good machine, they also said that Speed Queens are a excellent choice of machine but they can be very costly to repair if they are out of warranty. I was told a bearing job is around 200-300 dollars. Is the reason they are so expensive to fix is that they are commercial?

Thank you to all who have responded I really like this web site/forum

David


Post# 796425 , Reply# 20   11/29/2014 at 00:20 (3,428 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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probably the labor time involved makes it so expensive. I replaced a bearing on a Fridgemore a couple years ago...took a little time to do it right so I can see why they want to charge so much.

Post# 796431 , Reply# 21   11/29/2014 at 01:38 (3,428 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

$200-$300 for a bearing job is cheap. I've heard that they can cost $600 to replace.
But they shouldn't need replacing for at least 10-12 years.

Well at least you have a repair man on your way. Let us know what he finds.


Post# 796441 , Reply# 22   11/29/2014 at 08:02 (3,428 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Cost Of A Bearing Replacement On A FL Washer

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Can vary from a low of $300-$1000, SQ is one of the easier machines to replace main bearings and seals on, and yes it is possible for the bearings to be bad in 2 years on any washer, a little rare but we do see it.

Post# 796455 , Reply# 23   11/29/2014 at 10:17 (3,428 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        
@ aquarius1984

OP-It kinda concerns me that the bearings need replacing after 2 years. If that happens in a speed queen what will happen in a whirlpool. I do agree it should last alot longer then just 2 years.

I do second to aquarius1984's comment. we got a new whirlpool duet front loader and it suprised us how it actually got our clothes cleaner then our old top loader.


Post# 796587 , Reply# 24   11/30/2014 at 05:29 (3,427 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

Not to drift off topic, but after a week of doing all the towels for the hair salon this week in the Duets versus the top loader Maytag, I have noticed a big difference. 1st able to do 2 loads a day versus 4 or 5. Water consumption is about 1/4 of what the maytag uses. Detergent usage is way down along with bleach. The towels are cleaner and softer. The main thing I noticed is that the amount of lint in the filter screen is minimal versus opening the door on the other dryer and lint coming out. I guess an agitator really beats on the towels. Personally I did not think there was that big a difference in cleaning between a top and front loader. Well the proof speaks for itself and the front loader comes in front by a long shot.
Jon


Post# 796604 , Reply# 25   11/30/2014 at 08:29 (3,427 days old) by lamont ()        

Freighttrain sound+Loose inner drum=Blown bearings.

now, the reason the repairs are so expensive is because the Maunfacturer does not replace bearings in afront loader anymore...they replace the entire inner and outer drum.

Reason being, a Tech takes 6-7 hours to replace bearings in the drum....or 1.5 hours to rip the entire drum out and replace the entire assembly.

So, instead of just replacing the 50 bucks in bearings and seals, you have to buy the entire inner and outer drum and it's rpelaced as a unit. I"m not 100% sure SQ does this, but Whirl-poo does this. My 2 year old Duet died from bad bearings and I followed the cleaning and operation instructions to the letter. Big reason is a bearing that's smaller than in some of my RC Cars holding a spinning dynamic load.


Post# 796606 , Reply# 26   11/30/2014 at 08:35 (3,427 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Proof again

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Jon, you again prove front loaders yield far superior results and gentleness compared to a top loader!!! 


Post# 797004 , Reply# 27   12/2/2014 at 16:13 (3,425 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

Bearings blown in two years sounds like poor design,or workmanship or inferior materials were being used.


Post# 797056 , Reply# 28   12/2/2014 at 23:12 (3,424 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Washer still Idle

There is still confusion about the warranty and I can not get anyone to work on the machine. I purchased the washer in Boise Idaho and have recently moved to the Oregon coast. One repair shop said they will not touch a Queen under warranty, one place said had I bought the machine from the they would authorize the warranty work and now today I was told I have to take the machine back to where I purchased the machine. Isn't Speed Queen a national brand? Should it matter that I moved away from the location of where the machine was purchased?

I will be making another call to SQ as on Monday 12-1-2014 I took the families laundry to the local Laundromat and that was 53.00 down the drain and a waist of four hours. It had been quite a while since I had to use a coin op and did not know that there was Laundromat etiquette. I was the only one there when I got there and I thought sweet no lines for the big washers. I filled all 3 50 pound washers, 4 30 pound washers and 3 double load washers. After getting all the washers going another patron had come in with as much if not more laundry than me saying " YOU CAN NOT USE ALL THE BIG MACHINES"! I told her when I got there I was the only one there and 1st come 1st serve. There were plenty of double load and top load washers still for her to use and she belly ached until the cows came home. Interestingly enough as the big machines were finishing she started loading all of them up herself. I reminded her " YOU CAN NOT USE ALL THE BIG MACHINES"!

I Hope to get this issue settled and soon because I cannot afford 53.00 every time I have to go use the mat.

Shouldn't SQ honor the warranty of the machine regardless of what state I am in. I have never heard of such ring around the rosey when it comes to using warranties on appliances. At this point in time are my hands tied or do I purchase another machine? All SPEED QUEEN enthusiasts please chime in.

What good is a warranty if the manufacturer doesn't honor it? Has anyone else had trouble with ALLIANCE/SPEED QUEEN and the warranties? Please chime in on this subject.

Dave


Post# 797059 , Reply# 29   12/2/2014 at 23:34 (3,424 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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If you are spending 53.00 a pop at the laundry mat maybe you should get like a Kenmore or a Duet in addition to the Speed Queen you have.  This "backup machine" would not have to be as expensive or as durable as the Queen


Post# 797061 , Reply# 30   12/2/2014 at 23:36 (3,424 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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You need to escalate directly with SQ.  As advised above, DO NOT contact local dealers or service agencies.  Contact SQ directly.  Insist that they take responsibility (although I don't think you'll need to insist) and see the repair process through to your satisfaction. 

 

Again, DO NOT contact any local businesses.  If SQ provides you with contact information for a local repair service, ask that they make the call and conference with you and the repair people so everyone is on the same page.

 

All of this advice is moot however, if you never registered your machine with SQ after purchase.

 

Surely you are not the first person in northwest Oregon who has required service on a SQ front loader.  Somebody in your area has to know how to repair them.

 

 


Post# 797075 , Reply# 31   12/3/2014 at 01:02 (3,424 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

By contacting a dealer or repair service you are just adding an unnecessary layer of BS to the problem. Do as advised above, contact Speed Queen in Wisconsin directly. We really can't say it any stronger than that.

Post# 797120 , Reply# 32   12/3/2014 at 07:08 (3,424 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Sales Receipt?

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Do you still have your sales receipt from the machine purchase? If so, there should not be any question or argument from a qualified servicer.

In any case, I would deal directly with Speed Queen. Perhaps posting on their FaceBook page as well.

Malcolm


Post# 797131 , Reply# 33   12/3/2014 at 09:48 (3,424 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I would make note as well to Alliance about the local dealers/servicers and the experiences you have had.....

aren't they under contract for sales and service, whether you got it from them or not.....

customer service is part of that contract agreement....


JohnL would know and have info on this...


I know a local guy here who was a Maytag and Speed Queen(when it was McGraw-Edison)Dealer/Servicer...and he could not turn away service for any warranty repair or he would lose his contract to be an Authorized dealer.....willing to bet its still the same...

you have them on the phone, doesn't hurt to ask.....don't play around...do it!


Post# 797133 , Reply# 34   12/3/2014 at 10:08 (3,424 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        
Dealer service policy

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Heard this story from my neighbor.  Many years ago had had one of those GE Omni 5 ovens, bought from a dealer in his home town (east side of the county).  A problem occurred with it requiring service after he moved here (west side of the county) in the mid 1980s.  He went to the local GE dealer and they refused to service the unit because he didn't buy it from them.  He called GE to complain, and explain that the original dealer was no longer in business so he couldn't go back to them in any case.  GE wouldn't do anything about the situation, told him service policy is up to individual dealers.


Post# 797139 , Reply# 35   12/3/2014 at 10:22 (3,424 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SQ Warranty Service

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As other have said, contact SQ directly to obtain help, all you need is proof of purchase, SQ no longer requires appliances to be registered to have a warranty.

Replay # 34 from Dadoes has nothing to do with your situation.


Post# 797142 , Reply# 36   12/3/2014 at 10:33 (3,424 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Speed Queen Dealers

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Not all Speed Queen Dealers are authorized repair centers. Mine wasn't and still isn't. I had to contact Speed Queen directly when my dryer had a problem.

Malcolm


Post# 797151 , Reply# 37   12/3/2014 at 11:25 (3,424 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Don't want to drift too much

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But we have a Maytag dealer here in ICT, that if you didn't buy it from them; they won't service it.

You will call them and ask for service, first question they ask. "Where was it purchased?"
try lying to them "I don't know."
"What's the serial number?"
"give them the number"
"That serial number was purchased at Lowe's, call someone else."


Post# 797170 , Reply# 38   12/3/2014 at 12:43 (3,424 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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There's always your local newspaper's "Action Line" column, if they still run one, or a local TV station's consumer-focused segment of their newscast, if any of them devote time to one, but you really don't have that kind of time to waste waiting for results.

 

I'm not a "twit" and I don't do Facebook, but as Malcom stated above, those have proven to be effective and relatively instantaneous methods to shame those who are behaving badly into quick remediation.

 

Still, the first thing you should do -- if you haven't already -- is contact SQ directly and keep escalating until you get results to your satisfaction.  If it's not your nature to be a squeaky wheel, put your best game face on and start playing some polite but serious hardball.  The situation your local dealers and servicers have placed you in is truly unacceptable, and that is why you need to go over their heads and take your issue to the source.


Post# 797179 , Reply# 39   12/3/2014 at 14:13 (3,424 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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We are a Maytag dealer. We are a "self-servicing" dealer. That means when someone calls that bought elsewhere, I do not have to service that product and sometimes it means if I do an unauthorized warranty job on something not bought here, I don't get paid. The reason that a lot of dealers/servicers turn down warranty work is that the amount of money they receive back from the company is pitiful. Warranty work does not pay. Also, since we service what we sell, it's a reason to buy here. A big box store here was telling customers that we did all their warranty work and to just buy from them since the prices were cheaper. This was total BS and I called the appliance manager and gave him a nice talking to. There were a few upset people that had appliance problems and I wouldn't do the work. One person said "but Lowes said you'd do it." You know my response "CALL LOWES!"

For the OP, SQ should be able to set you up with an authorized service center. I understand why the dealers would put you off though.


Post# 797186 , Reply# 40   12/3/2014 at 14:49 (3,424 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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I understand the reason you refuse warranty work, because of the low reimbursement rate from the company.

My contention is: The way to build a customer base and entice someone to come to or return to your store is not by telling them to go elsewhere, be rude, or hang up on them. I promise you I won't beg you to service my appliance, but I won't darken your door when it comes time to replace it either. Spend 10 extra seconds on the phone to explain that service is offered by ___________, for items purchased at big box stores, and maybe even offer a phone number. This makes you a nice helpful repair person.

Apparently the company puts you, the independent, in a bad position where you then have to practice good customer service.


Post# 797197 , Reply# 41   12/3/2014 at 16:19 (3,424 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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as for any dealer...service it, don't service it.....it your reputation....and in todays world, its not a local thing.....

as Ralph mentioned....facebook, twitter, internet goes world wide.....are you on Angie's List?....with bad input!.....word of mouth has expanded

like it or not, people will read and judge for themselves....reason to shop, or reason to stay away!


Post# 797199 , Reply# 42   12/3/2014 at 16:29 (3,424 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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It all depends if these people have contracts with the distributors or with the manufacturers...

I can order GE/Monogram/SpeedQueen all day long from one of my distributors... I'm not an authorized retailer though.

That is the way a lot of these places are. They can get their product from a distributor and sell it but they aren't authorized by the parent companies... Most places will service what THEY sell but not what others sell because they won't get reimbursement. They made the profit off of the original customer to cover the warranty labor, the parts are still replaced under manufacturer's warranty.

The difference is if they have a signed agreement with the manufacturer authorizing them as a retailer. They still order their products from the same distributor but they are an authorized center and will get reimbursed labor rates and discounted parts etc.

A place that has an agreement with the manufacturer will never turn away service on a product from that manufacturer regardless of where it was purchased. They would have their flag pulled if the company found out!


Post# 797200 , Reply# 43   12/3/2014 at 16:32 (3,424 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Case and point: We always purchased oreck through a distributor, we didn't have a retail agreement with Oreck.

People bring their orecks in for service that have the forever or 21 guarantee.. We never sold that model but we did their free/complimentary services on them and never got reimbursed. The reason we did it because after the second or third service, we'd show them the Riccar SupraLite and they'd trade it in. A few belts and a small amount of labor given away was always worth it when selling a product we are making profit on.


Post# 797244 , Reply# 44   12/3/2014 at 21:59 (3,423 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Speed Queen /Alliance has been informed

Good evening to all at AW.ORG. This morning as I was waiting to go to work I called SQ directly and told them what was going on and that I needed my machine serviced. After I had a short 15-20 minute conversation with Alliance/Speed Queen they were totally understandable and apologetic for the ring around the rosey. They gave me the numbers of two service contractors and gave me contact info on who to talk to once I got a hold of them. Funny enough the one service contractor is the same one that said had I bought the machine from them they could service it but since I didn't I needed to contact the dealer in Idaho. So today after work I went in to the dealer/contractors desk and Speed Queen had already alarmed them that I was coming and now they are willing to service the machine.

I was told by SQ that I was in the right machinery for my families circumstances. As most of us here know SQ is what is in the majority of coin laundries and we all know how that equipment gets treated ( BADLY ). The contractor/ servicer said that I would have to bring the machine to them because that was a shop job not a home job. They have to pull both drums out to replace the bearings; they explained how it was done but kinda hard for me to explain it here. I will be out of a machine for roughly 3-5 days and that is once they get the parts. By the time I get my washer back the laundry will be ceiling deep and I will never get caught back up. So on Saturday morning the SQ is going to the shop. On my way home tomorrow I have to stop by and give them the serial# and the model# for the machine, they have a copy of the sale receipt and said that was all they needed. The guy also told me that the repair job cost for this issue would be more the original purchase price of the machine.

I would like to say thanks to all who have put input on this subject matter. This is a excellent web site for issues like these. I would like to give you all a good laugh tonite; the Laundromat directly across the street from this shop is none other than a SPEED QUEEN mat all of their washers even the 50 pounders are SQ and I was told that they service all of those machines from time to time.

Dave


Post# 797251 , Reply# 45   12/3/2014 at 22:33 (3,423 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Im glad to hear that you are finally going to get Speed Queen to have a service provider make the necessary repair. However, it seems to me if the service provider said that the repairs would cost more than the cost of a new machine they could at least pick it up from your home and return it when the repair is complete. Better yet, if the repair will in fact cost as much as a new machine, why isn't Speed Queen just giving you a new machine? You have already been inconvienenced enough, what with a broken machine for several days and $53.00 spent at the laundramat.

Post# 797256 , Reply# 46   12/3/2014 at 22:45 (3,423 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
cost of repairs/ new machine

I brought that exact question up to the shop/dealer. I was told that there would have to be repeat repairs on the machine and that SQ would not replace the machine with a new one even if I stepped back into a top of the line top loader. If I had the space in my home I would like to get a second washer and a Stack pair of dryers but that is just a dream, someday when I am rich maybe that will happen...lol

Post# 797261 , Reply# 47   12/3/2014 at 23:08 (3,423 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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If the service provider has told you that there will need to be repeat repairs on your machine this would seem to me to validate even more that Speed Queen should replace the machine. And this certainly doesn't answer why they can't even be bothered to pick up and return the almost 200 lb machine in order to complete the repair. I thought that Speed Queen provided a 3 year warranty? I was seriously contemplating getting a Speen Queen front loader, due to our drought in Calif. Call me a Speed Queen heretic, but after reading about your run around on a 2 year old machine with serious repair issues, I don't think I will be entertaining that idea anymore.



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Post# 797269 , Reply# 48   12/4/2014 at 00:18 (3,423 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
this is not at all a important question

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Im just curious about what laundry detergent
you use with the all laundry you do for your
family David? (It doesn't make any differance)

Im very pleased to hear you will be getting your
speed queen repaired! We all know how
important it is to us to have our machines in working
order when we need to use them.

I do find it odd they are going to charge
you a price more than the original cost of your machine
when it states on there website:
"3 year warranty parts and labor on all machines"
just doesn't sound completely right to me.


Post# 797270 , Reply# 49   12/4/2014 at 00:21 (3,423 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Eddie, they didn't say that the machine WILL need more repairs.  They said only in the case that the machine did need repeated repairs for this same problem would a replacement be considered.

 

Dave, if you haven't been using "he" detergent, that could be a contributing factor to the bearing failure.  Too much suds can cause bearings to fail on a front-loader prematurely, perhaps even on a commercial grade Speed Queen.

 

I'm glad you managed to get SQ to arrange for repairs.  It's understandable that the servicer would prefer to perform such a big job at their shop, although it's an inconvenience for you.  I hope your machine won't need further repairs for many years to come.

 

Ralph


Post# 797272 , Reply# 50   12/4/2014 at 00:25 (3,423 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
SQ Warranties

Speed Queen does have a 3 year warranty on parts and labor. But I was told that the warranty on a front loader is different than that of a top loader not sure why. On some things there is a 3 year (Parts and Labor) than there is 5 years on certain parts and 10 years on transmission, and tubs. The different warranties are in the owner manual.

I am not here to make people turn away from SQ as I have had Speed Queens in my home for a long time and have been impressed with their machines. My 1st washer was the AWN 432 model nice machine with all the bells that our home needed. We have always had the top of the line dryer but not sure of the model#. Please understand that I have 2 severly disabled young children and our laundry situation is not typical for a family of four. Our washer runs any where from 4-7 loads a day and on weekends sometimes as many as 14-16 loads a day. These machines have really in all honesty held up very well.

I have just been upset with all the run around trying to get the machine back in working order.

My favorite SQ washer's were the solid tubs with the bottle cap top agitators. Never owned one but used several in the laundrymats in the 1980's.


Post# 797276 , Reply# 51   12/4/2014 at 00:37 (3,423 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Thank you Ralph

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I forgot to add "HE" to my question.
It IS important if your not using the correct
type of detergent(HE or Non HE) for your Speed queen, as Ralph
stated.The brand of "HE" being used is what I was
curious about.


Post# 797285 , Reply# 52   12/4/2014 at 01:31 (3,423 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Rich, my interpretation is that SQ isn't charging Dave for the repairs.  I think it was a hypothetical statement by the servicer about the retail cost of repairs being higher than what Dave paid for the machine new.  My guess is that it's still cheaper for SQ to absorb the cost of their own parts and reimburse the servicer's cost for labor than to provide Dave with a new machine.  If the machine was out of warranty, that would be another story with Dave looking at sky high parts and labor, and a new machine would be the cheaper way to go.

 

Does anyone know if SQ FL machines found in laundromats instruct to use only "he" detergent?  If not, I would think they'd be replacing a lot of bearings on them.  Either that, or SQ builds their FL machines in a way that higher sudsing detergents don't present a negative impact on the bearings like they do on the more flimsy FL machines produced by other manufacturers.


Post# 797291 , Reply# 53   12/4/2014 at 02:17 (3,423 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Ralph, my bad. I misunderstood the part about repeat repairs needed. I do agree that this kind of major repair would be best done in the shop. However, I don't think that it would be unreasonable for the service provider to pick up the machine and return it after the repair is complete, free of charge. Speed Queen should aborb this expense. I know that Speed Queen makes a good product, I'm just surprised that Dave had to jump thru so many hoops to get the warranty work authorized. But I guess if you aren't dealing with the dealer that made the original sale it is more problematic. I also understand that the number of loads that Dave does on a regular basis is really a lot more than the normal user would be doing. But I imagine thats why he bought a Speed Queen to begin with, because of their reputation for longivity. I am glad that the repairs will be made under the warranty. After all, when you spend the amount that Speed Queen charges you expect good service.

Post# 797294 , Reply# 54   12/4/2014 at 03:08 (3,423 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Dave. I think there is truth in reply #44.    The  SQ authorized service dealer in this example may simply prefer commercial accounts such as the coin laundry across the street.  They are servicing this domestic SQ that they did NOT sell because Alliance SQ corporate has made them do so.  There is already a lot of foot dragging including haul it in yourself.. and I am guessing come pick it up and haul it home.  I wonder if the coin op across the street has to haul their machines to the shop?  Really?  Dave did you inform Alliance that they want you to haul the machine to them for warranty service? I would not do it. One last thought, did you make this purchase with a credit card? If you did use a credit card please call them and tell them this story. You may have a benefit you did not know you had.




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Post# 797295 , Reply# 55   12/4/2014 at 03:29 (3,423 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
What?

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Has anyone even confirmed that bearing failure is the problem?

Malcolm


Post# 797315 , Reply# 56   12/4/2014 at 08:09 (3,423 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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just a few thoughts.....

if this is a FLer...that means theres a possibility that two sets could stack in the place of traditional setups...that would allow two washers and dryers....

and all the more reason, even if space it tight...to go with a portable washer, something like an Avanti or MagicChef version, small enough to hide in a closet, yet can still wash a 12lb load, may not be the best for the amount you are washing, but better than nothing, it would get you through....look at the cost you have spent at the Laundromat, this would have paid for itself by now....and you always have a backup, or a machine for smaller quick loads....

surprised too that the servicer doesn't offer a loaner machine while unit is being serviced.......I must have lucked out, had my Neptune dryer serviced by a place I didn't buy the machine from, and they lent me another dryer to use until they got mine fixed...note: it was out of warranty and they still did this....


Post# 797429 , Reply# 57   12/4/2014 at 21:14 (3,422 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
machine is being fixed under warranty

I am being charged no out of pocket expenses for the fix. When I spoke with SQ I explained the situation with the horrendous amount of laundry being done and asked if that voided the warranty and they told me no. The machine is in a singular family home and warranty would pick up the tab for the repairs. The repair shop said they would charge me a 100 dollars each way for travel so I am taking the machine to them.

As far as laundry products go we have to use TIDE W/Bleach due to MRSA in our daughters clothes. We also use BORAX, Clorox, and Downey. When using Borax there is no suds and we only use about 1/4th of a scoop.

As far as the Laundromat machines go their is no sign on the machines or in the mat regarding using HE Detergent.

I had to call the shop tonite with the Serial# and the complete model. They said it would take a day to determine what is wrong with the machine and order the parts from Portland and then another day to re-assemble the machine. I was also told bring some one with me to help get the machine off the truck as they have no one there to help.

As far as the purchase of the machine I just used plain ol' green cash 2350.00 for both the washer and the dryer. I purchased the queens because of their reputation and because they are in the majority of mats. If this machine gives up on me again anytime soon I will just go down to the Columbia river and beat the clothes with rocks...LOL

Dave


Post# 797438 , Reply# 58   12/4/2014 at 22:39 (3,422 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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What kind of place is this? They are going to charge you for delivery/pickup on warranty work AND they have no one there to unload the machine? Seriously?

Post# 797494 , Reply# 59   12/5/2014 at 07:19 (3,422 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi David, glad the washer is getting fixed, Some Thoughts.

The use of HE or Non-HE detergents will not affect seal-bearing life on ANY FL washer.

On FL washers bearings only fail 99 44/100% of the time because the main shaft water seal allows moisture to get past the seal and ruin the bearings. The life of bearings in FL washers has nothing to due with a tilted or non-tilted tub, size of the bearings etc.

The thing that will most often ruin the seal in a FL washer is a hard mineral build-up from minerals in the seal area [ this is primarily caused by using too little detergent, cheap detergent, excessive rinsing especially in hard water areas ] Detergents have important lubricating properties that protect washer parts [ like water seals ] and if things are rinsed too much it is hard on ANY washing machine ever built.

Main water seals can also be affected by heavy build ups of molds and excessive use of fabric softener [ if fabric softeners are used in an automatic washer it is imperative when clothing is being washed to use plenty of detergent and hottest water possible ]. Other reasons for moldy build-ups are too little detergent, too cool wash temperatures, and a lack of chlorine bleach use.

David I would ask to see the main trunnion assembly after they fix your washer, this is the huge cast aluminum part that the bearings and water seal are pressed into. By looking at this part you maybe able to gain an idea why the water seal failed. It is highly likely that usage situations at your house caused this early seal failure and if not addressed you may have the same problem again in a few years.


This washer is designed to be repaired in the home and if the repair company wants to do it in the shop the transportation should be at their expense. The main exception to this is if there is insufficient room to perform this repair in your home. SQ FL washers are the easiest FL washers that we have ever installed main bearings in. It takes one person less than 2 hours to complete the repair and the retail cost should be less than $500 in our experience as a SQ authorized servicing dealer.

Hopefully your washer will be back and running soon, at your usage level you should be able to keep this washer running for a decade or longer. I do highly endorse the idea that you have some type of back-up washer, but when you consider how much this washer has already saved you on water, detergent, and energy costs from heating water and drying the clothing it would make no sense to go back to a conventional TL washer.

John L.


Post# 797505 , Reply# 60   12/5/2014 at 08:33 (3,422 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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It sounds like the dealer is doing everything he can to NOT have to work on your machine. Have you spoke with SQ again to tell them that the dealer will not come to your house to fix the machine and that you have to bring the machine to them? I wonder what they would think of this.

Gary


Post# 797508 , Reply# 61   12/5/2014 at 09:13 (3,422 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I think that Alliance should be told that you are having to bring the washer in for the bearing replacement, if you have room for the replacement procedure in your house. If you can tell them what John posted above, they might be very interested in this service company's policies and abilities. They sound like dickheads.

Post# 797713 , Reply# 62   12/6/2014 at 13:40 (3,421 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Pictures!

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I wonder if the repair shop would take pictures of the repair along the way. I would love to see what the guts of your machine look like after your heavy usage...

Malcolm


Post# 797736 , Reply# 63   12/6/2014 at 15:35 (3,421 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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If they won't even pickup and return the machine for the repair service unless they are paid $100.00 each way, I doubt seriously that they will be interested in taking pictures of the repair process, at least not without charging a substantial fee for photo services too!

Post# 797743 , Reply# 64   12/6/2014 at 16:29 (3,421 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

IMO if a shop is that reluctant to service the machine I'd be leery about the work even getting done correctly. Hope it all goes well though.

Post# 797872 , Reply# 65   12/7/2014 at 13:00 (3,420 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

If a servicing company told me that I'd have to pay $200 to get a machine repaired under warranty I'd be on the phone to Speed Queen in a hurry. Read your warranty that came with the machine. I'm betting that it will say something like "While Under Warranty Speed Queen (or their agents) will repair the machine without cost to the customer.) Point that out to them.

How close are you to the servicing company? 5 miles, 10 miles, 50 miles, 100 miles?
That cost could be to cover their travel costs if it's more than a "reasonable" distance away. Looks like any way you look at it this servicing company is going to try to make money off of you one way or another. Speed Queen needs to know about this.


Post# 798004 , Reply# 66   12/7/2014 at 23:31 (3,419 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
out of money and laundry is piling up

So the laundry is pilling up big and out of money until Friday. I tried washing a light load of sheets/pillow cases on the delicate cycle and the machine worked flawlessly. So since the load made no noise I ran a 2nd load on perm press cycle again no noise and cycle went flawlessly so I tried a load on regular and I thought a train wreck had gone off in the laundry room. Another problem why is the machine doing this when only on regular cycle hot/cold fills with extra rinse selected. How much damage is going on to the machine? I will be making my 3rd call to Speed Queen Monday morning and will be posting the results of the call tomorrow after the call is made. At this point in the game I believe it is time for a new machine or a lawyer to make speed queen and their authorized reps honor the darn warranty. We are very frustrated with SQ. The store we bought the machine from said nothing like this would happen and something has got to be done.

If I buy another machine should I stay with SQ or will I just get another disappointment?

Dave


Post# 798013 , Reply# 67   12/7/2014 at 23:57 (3,419 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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If Speed Queen can't do any better than this to honor their warranty, I'd say fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Unless they either give you a new machine, or get your's repaired at zero cost to you, plus provide a loaner, I would NOT buy another of their products. But thats just me. I don't have a clue what you should get instead, based upon the many loads that you wash on a regular basis I wish you good luck! I suggest you call Speed Queen again and go up the chain of command, and don't give up until you get what you want and deserve.



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Post# 798017 , Reply# 68   12/8/2014 at 00:04 (3,419 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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And DO NOT volunteer how much laundry you're doing.


Post# 798048 , Reply# 69   12/8/2014 at 04:42 (3,419 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

David, I think you could help your situation by making  2 phone calls.  Get the email address of the "in charge" at Alliance and the honcho at the local repair shop.  cc: is your friend.  They have you in the middle.  Stay off the phone.  People notice e-mail, print all of them in case this escalates further.  You will have a nice little record of who said what including the time and dates.  No waiting on hold for you either.  Everyone will be on the same page. Good luck..


Post# 798054 , Reply# 70   12/8/2014 at 05:40 (3,419 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

And e-mails also are considered proof in court because they are date and time stamped too. A lot of doctors have taken to answering their patients out of office questions via e-mail just because it prevents malpractice suits.

Post# 798066 , Reply# 71   12/8/2014 at 06:32 (3,419 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Hmmm...

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"I tried washing a light load of sheets/pillow cases on the delicate cycle and the machine worked flawlessly. So since the load made no noise I ran a 2nd load on perm press cycle again no noise and cycle went flawlessly so I tried a load on regular and I thought a train wreck had gone off in the laundry room."

Still not convinced you have a bearing failure. Seems to me you should be able to spin the tub by hand and diagnose failed bearings. You wouldn't get flawless spinning at medium speed.

Thoughts?

Malcolm


Post# 798067 , Reply# 72   12/8/2014 at 06:34 (3,419 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Additionally...

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Do you still have the tub mounting bracket to secure it for transport? I wouldn't transport the washer without having the bracket installed.

Malcolm


Post# 798078 , Reply# 73   12/8/2014 at 07:26 (3,419 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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If it is working on the PP cycle, get that laundry done. You could just have a motor with bad bearings, sometimes a bad motor bearing will only make much noise at top speed which only happens on normal cycle near the end of the final spin period.

The possible problem with the shop making the repairs is it sounds like they mostly do commercial repair work. Often these shops do not have good techs on the road and they are used to taking everything back to the shop for repairs. You really need a good tech to come to your home and figure out what is wrong before the washer is moved.


Post# 798124 , Reply# 74   12/8/2014 at 10:52 (3,419 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Well...

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"You really need a good tech to come to your home and figure out what is wrong before the washer is moved."

I couldn't agree more!

Malcolm


Post# 798142 , Reply# 75   12/8/2014 at 12:50 (3,419 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Speed Queen Corp and Distributer Notified

Good Morning To all. I called SQ directly and was given the #'S OF SEVERAL service dealers and one gave me the number to the local ( Portland ) distributor. I had a long engaged conversation with the distributor and they are in absolute shock to all the run around I have had. They are also not impressed with paying someone to come and collect the machine or come to my house to do the repairs either.

I was told regardless of where the machine was purchased SQ HAS to make things right with me and this machine. I was told if it could not be fixed by a residential service contractor that they would send a multi-housing dealer to the house to deal with the problem(s). SQ said that they would not tolerate authorized service dealers to turn away repairs that are under warranty and that in doing so they are violating the customer and tarnishing SQ reputation. I am now just waiting to hear back from the distributor as they have connections to every service dealer in the area. SQ is also not impressed by there service groups telling me that their is a service charge to come and get the machine the service should be able to be done in the home. The distributor said if the cost of fixing the machine was more than the purchase price than SQ would authorize a replacement machine. As I was having this conversation I had the machine going and they heard the freight train collision in the laundry room and they believe it is a couple of different issues either the tranny and clutch are going or the bearing/ support arm is broken in the machine.

I was told the most common issue with these machines is there inability to stop filling. I have not had that issue as of yet...

I was told by the distributor regardless of the cost of the fix that SQ IS ULTIMATELY REQUIRED TO FIX THE MACHINE.

I will chime in later after I get the return call from the distributor and what the plans are for the future of this machine.

Dave


Post# 798144 , Reply# 76   12/8/2014 at 13:04 (3,419 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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they believe it is a couple of different issues either the tranny and clutch are going or the bearing/ support arm is broken in the machine.
A SQ frontloader has a transmission and clutch?


Post# 798180 , Reply# 77   12/8/2014 at 17:03 (3,419 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

It sounds like you are finally on your way! Even if hell froze over for you I would never call back the company that wanted to charge you for machine transport to the shop.

BTW, use the word transmission. Some people get offended if you call it a "tranny".


Post# 798186 , Reply# 78   12/8/2014 at 17:55 (3,419 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Just FYI

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The term "tranny" doesn't offend me in the least.  Not that I practice any such behavior -- I find it a total turn-off unless maybe you're Dame Edna, but live and let live.  I don't think the term is considered derogatory.  Or is it? 


Post# 798195 , Reply# 79   12/8/2014 at 19:00 (3,418 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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There is no Tranny or Clutch on a SQ FL washer, yes there have been some problems with fill valves that stick open and cause flooding.

Post# 798196 , Reply# 80   12/8/2014 at 19:02 (3,418 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
my appologies

I am sorry if I offended anyone I was using the term the guy from SQ used.

Post# 798219 , Reply# 81   12/8/2014 at 22:02 (3,418 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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David, relax.  You're fine.

 

I mean seriously -- Speed Queen could be considered an offensive term and how many times has it appeared in this thread?

 

You want offensive?  Try "NORGE!"


Post# 798225 , Reply# 82   12/8/2014 at 23:03 (3,418 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

"tranny" would only be offensive when used in reference to a transexual.
Now excuse me while I go smoke a fag, and have a gay old time dreaming about Speed Queens.


Post# 798226 , Reply# 83   12/8/2014 at 23:06 (3,418 days old) by mjg0619 (Scranton, Pennsylvania)        

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As a fag smoking queen with a need for speed, whose car has a lightning fast tranny, I take absolutely no offense to that!

(New poster over here, usually spend my time in the land of vacuum cleaners!)


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Post# 798269 , Reply# 84   12/9/2014 at 10:52 (3,418 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        
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Talk about a subject drift... I .. hrm.... :P

Post# 798290 , Reply# 85   12/9/2014 at 13:58 (3,418 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

The reason I said that about the word "Tranny" is that I was in an auto repair parts store one time and used the word when describing a part that works with the transmission on my VW. A woman came up to me and scolded me and told me not to use that word as some people find it very offensive. So I quit using the word to prevent future mishaps. Who knew?

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Post# 798305 , Reply# 86   12/9/2014 at 17:43 (3,418 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Somebody better tell RuPaul, Scissor Sisters, and Robyn!

Post# 798332 , Reply# 87   12/9/2014 at 21:35 (3,417 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Eugene, I think that just as with other taboo terms, proprietary use is acceptable.


Post# 798370 , Reply# 88   12/10/2014 at 03:12 (3,417 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        
Some People Are More Sensitive Than Others...

I've heard the word tranny used for transmissions going all the way back to the 1950's. Why it "suddenly" became offensive is beyond me.

I always thought that a man who wears female clothes is a transvestite. A man who wears women's clothing and tries to pass as a female is a drag queen. And a post surgical drag queen is a tranny. Did I get that right?

And I guess a Speed Queen is a drag queen who uses speed?

Sorry for the subject drift, back to our regularly scheduled Speed Queen problem.


Post# 798411 , Reply# 89   12/10/2014 at 11:59 (3,417 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
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SOooo, Mr original poster, David:
Have you heard anything else from Alliance regarding the Horizontal axis front loading clothes washing machine with mechanical dial?
Have they decided to do an residential repair, or are they still wanting the aforementioned machine transported by truck or vehicle to their repair facility.

We are still curious if your problem is a Motor or tub bearing, or as others have mentioned one of the drive components.




Post# 798416 , Reply# 90   12/10/2014 at 12:12 (3,417 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Spin ONLY

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Does the machine spin okay on the spin only cycle with an empty tub?

Malcolm


Post# 798423 , Reply# 91   12/10/2014 at 12:49 (3,417 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
"I don't feel like dancing"

Hah, how I like that song...
But on topic: I could actualy be both. A starting tub bearing failure with only a few balls being wrong causing noise. Heard this on several Miele machines and kind of sounds like your noise.
These few balls in the bearings "fly" around inside the bearing as they got to small and knock against everything else at high frequencies. This is caused by an uneven wear-out again caused by uneven material mixes in these bearing-balls and\or minor producing errors in the bearings housing where the balls rub against the metal surfaces.
The same could of course happen to motorbearings.
But if it happens that early in a life-span, you either put a ton of mileage on the machine (Do they have a run-time counter as it is common in the EU?) or there was a production error.
And, back of topic, yes, I sad balls...


Post# 798445 , Reply# 92   12/10/2014 at 15:52 (3,417 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I think David said somewhere above that he could produce the sound just by rotating the tub by hand. 


Post# 798477 , Reply# 93   12/10/2014 at 19:24 (3,416 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
updates

I have been in touch with Alliance/Speed Queen again who put me in contact with Tri-State Distributors. They are getting someone from Portland to come fix the machine Next Monday. Right now I am dealing with 2 kids barfing up their socks and if I didn't have laundry problems before it is here now.

SQ is sending out a truck from a multi-housing distributor to fix the machine otherwise I couldn't get anyone else except for the guys who want to charge me to come and get the machine. If I could get the sound to come thru on the video than I would let everyone hear the freight train colliding in the laundry room.

Malcom the washer seems only to make the noise when full and on the regular and sometimes on the perm press cycle. It also only happens when using hot/cold and extra rinse option any thoughts?

SQ is sending a truck full of parts to fix what ever the problems are. The tech heard the noise as I was talking to him and he seems to think it is the bearing or tub support arm has broke. They will be here Monday sometime to do the fix and in the meantime another trip to the Laundromat will happen. I am now almost 200 dollars in the hole just in Laundromat expenses and x-mas is shot down the drain.

Dave


Post# 798528 , Reply# 94   12/11/2014 at 03:11 (3,416 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Sounds like

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More of a suspension problem than bearings, but of course I am only guessing. Pictures of the repair and/or the failed part would be helpful.

Malcolm


Post# 798646 , Reply# 95   12/11/2014 at 19:39 (3,415 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        

I will try to see if they will take some pics or video of the repairs so I can upload them here. Repairs are scheduled for Monday morning around 9. I hope it doesn't take long the laundry is really pilling up around here.

Post# 798659 , Reply# 96   12/11/2014 at 21:31 (3,415 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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If you were closer I would say bring your clothes and do them at my house, but I think it would be cheaper for you to do them at the laundromat due to the distance.  

 

Unless--any AW members in Dave's area that could help the guy out???   If this is not a guy in  need of a wash in, I don't know who is.


Post# 798830 , Reply# 97   12/13/2014 at 00:24 (3,414 days old) by davidblazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Thanks Iheartmaytag

Thanks for the support. My family came over and wow there was a disturbance in the force. They were truly upset because of the situation SQ has put us in. My mom said we should scrap both the washer and dryer and buy LG'S but I don't know about that purchase either. I think a MILNOR would be nice about now...LOL

Post# 798831 , Reply# 98   12/13/2014 at 00:29 (3,414 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Now that you have corporate's attention, they will get you taken care of...


I think a few of us made mention of this post on facebook... I know I had two reps reply to me when I mentioned it to them.


Post# 798851 , Reply# 99   12/13/2014 at 09:18 (3,414 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Speed Queens are very good machines.......

BUT...with the issues you are having with children, and all things in general...ALL the more reason to have spares and a backup of some sort...

way before I found this site, or had upwards of ten kids, I had two washers/dryers, extra fridge and freezer, portable dishwasher....


it only took once for the washer to break down, two weeks for repair, to open my eyes to have a backup.....

after this is all said and done, I would be searching and looking for a way to make this happen, SO that you are not put in this position again.....this should be a lesson well learned.....if not, your only doomed to repeat it again someday....

even a wringer or twin tub would work for you at this point...

I wonder if we could send Tide loads-of-hope truck to give Dave a hand...


I agree....this would be a good time for a wash-in


Post# 799165 , Reply# 100   12/15/2014 at 06:37 (3,412 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
D-Day!

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Today is the day. I'm sure everything will go well!
Keep us posted!

Malcolm


Post# 799212 , Reply# 101   12/15/2014 at 13:39 (3,412 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)        
SQ UPDATE

The repair tech came to the house saw the machine in action and said bad news. The machine has bad bearings, a broken tub support arm, some balance mechanism, and some drive mechanism has gone bad. The total replacement cost of parts and LABOR exceed the original purchase price. However the purchase price for this machine now is almost 400 dollars more than what I paid in march 2013 so their is discussion of replacing the machine or replacing the parts to get this one up and running. As of now I am heading to the Laundromat again as I have 6 heaping full hampers and several bags with bedding and the nasties from when the kids were sick. This trip looks like a 100 dollar trip to the mat.

Post# 799216 , Reply# 102   12/15/2014 at 14:00 (3,412 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Well, SQ needs to decide quickly.  Keep the pressure on them.

 

This is also a very poor reflection on the supposed commercial build quality of SQ front loaders.

 

At this point, I'd say you need to find yourself a good old fashioned extra-large capacity Maytag from the '70s or '80s.  No matter what you threw at it, you'd have a very tough time making one of those machines fail as catastrophically as the SQ did.


Post# 799218 , Reply# 103   12/15/2014 at 14:18 (3,412 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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A new Speed Queen front loader may cost you $400.00 more now, but I doubt that it costs SQ that much more. I'd get back on the phone and speak with the highest level person I could, explain what the tech told you and demand a new machine NOW. With what you have already spent on laundromat charges you probably coulld have bought a used Maytag as Ralph suggested. Make sure that SQ understands that the reason you bought their product in the first place was for the reputation of reliability and excellent warranty and you feel that you may have been mislead.

Post# 799219 , Reply# 104   12/15/2014 at 14:19 (3,412 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)        
What about a solid tub SQ

I saw many of these in the Laundromats in the 80's in that sundown orange color. If I could get my hands on one of those would it last for very long?

Post# 799223 , Reply# 105   12/15/2014 at 14:36 (3,412 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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A Maytag from that same period would be easier to find, would without question last longer than the solid tub SQ, and would be easier to find parts for if needed.

 

If the washer pictured in the link is an extra-large capacity, it could be a $25 solution.



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Post# 799224 , Reply# 106   12/15/2014 at 14:42 (3,412 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
if you went to stick with speed queen vintage is the way

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Well if you went to stick with speed queen then may i recommend going vintage but if you went to stick with a front load you could always try to fine a good vintage frontload white westinghouse washer unless you decide to go back to a good old fashion top load but its your choice but sometime vintage can last longer than today modern day washer as newer models you might fine yourself with dumb down water tempatures like hot being warm water warm water being cool water ect while with a vintage machine you get true water tempatures. Credit to some of the original members for some of the pictures i am using

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Post# 799248 , Reply# 107   12/15/2014 at 16:18 (3,412 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Used?

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I wouldn't purchase anything until you hear back from Speed Queen. A top loader may end up costing you a fortune in utilities.

Malcolm


Post# 799283 , Reply# 108   12/15/2014 at 19:00 (3,411 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

You are forgetting about your warranty. Speed Queen has to either fix or replace your washer. It's their liability. Remind them of that when you talk to them. Just because a replacement costs more today than it did when you bought it should be no concern of yours. They are required by law to either repair it or replace it. It's a contract you have with them. Make sure they stick to their end of the bargain.

Post# 799288 , Reply# 109   12/15/2014 at 19:10 (3,411 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I'm with Allen, (Whirlcool)

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It's their warranty, it's their baby.  Next stop, state Attorney General, who do they think they are acting like this? LG


Post# 799295 , Reply# 110   12/15/2014 at 19:38 (3,411 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SQ FRONT LOAD WASHER

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Oh Boy, did the tech actually write up an estimate? the machine either has a bad bearing and support [ this is the same thing ] or it has a broken spider on the back of the tub, it is not likely to have both problems. There is no such thing as a drive mechanism balance mechanism on this machine, LOL.

It only takes 30 minutes to completely take this machine apart and it takes less than two hours to dissemble the washer and replace either or both of the possible problem parts that are causing the noise and problem you are describing.

If the repair tech came out to your house and did not take the washer apart to see what was actually broken HOW IS HE POSSIBLY going to order parts and fix the washer ?

At this point I would be spitting nails, this was a totally wasted service call.


If you have to get a good used Top Load washer in the mean time a Whirlpool built Direct Drive Washer from approximately 1990-2010 is light years better than a 1980-1996 Maytag washer in both performance and reliability.



Post# 799309 , Reply# 111   12/15/2014 at 20:45 (3,411 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Just got home

Well another 55.00 at the local mat. But here is the real kick in the pants the machine is up. SQ sent a multi housing/on premise tech out here and the machine is running. It is as quiet as the day we brought her home. Now we should get another 18 months out of it.

Question now that the machine is fixed do I have another 3 year warranty on all the new parts, I am confused here.


Post# 799323 , Reply# 112   12/15/2014 at 22:30 (3,411 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

So does that mean they performed the necessary repairs?

and the answer to your question would usually be no.


Post# 799324 , Reply# 113   12/15/2014 at 22:58 (3,411 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Who was home when they repaired this machine if you were at the coin op? You certainly didn't leave the repair guy in your house alone while you were gone, did you?

I'm confused now. One SQ guy tells you it's one thing, mentioning parts that your machine doesn't even has and tells you it can't be fixed, then you come home from the coin op to find the machine fixed. Something is wrong with this story.

Anyway, it's working and you are able to have clean laundry now.

As far as your warranty goes, the replaced parts are covered under your existing warranty, however long that you have left on it. You cannot use warranty work to extend the time of the original warranty. The end of the original warranty is a fixed date.


Post# 799381 , Reply# 114   12/16/2014 at 08:33 (3,411 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Huh?

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What did I miss?

What happened? What was replaced and/or repaired?

What was the failure?

In any event, your machine is working.

Malcolm


Post# 799392 , Reply# 115   12/16/2014 at 11:26 (3,411 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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David,

Could you snap a photo of the repair ticket and post it here so we could all see what parts were replaced?

Lots of curious people wondering what the problem was!


Post# 799396 , Reply# 116   12/16/2014 at 11:35 (3,411 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
YAY! It's Fixed!

"Lots of curious people wondering what the problem was!"

Or what the problem REALLY was. Their diagnostic reports to you do not inspire trust or confidence.

I am glad your problem is resolved, but I would be purchasing a pair of Y adapters for the faucets and finding a spare machine for backup. The whole situation does not reflect very well on Alliance Laundry service, support or customer relations.


Post# 799497 , Reply# 117   12/16/2014 at 21:31 (3,410 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)        
Here it is

Hello to all!! Just to put you all at ease my dad and my wife were home while my mom and I were at the mat. The kids were still puking up their socks and we had to have a lot of help here and I sure as heck was not going to let the repair guy be here by him self.

So the repairs consisted of

1) Replacement of the front suspension arm.

2) Replacement of spider (Trunion)? The spider thing on the back of the drum

3) The bearings and both outer and inner drum

So the suspension arm broke causing the inner drum to lurch forward damaging the trunion which caused significant damage to the bearing.

Cost of repairs for parts and LABOR were equivalent to that of a new machine.

If I can get my computer to work with me I will post pics of all the bad parts and the service invoice. I am not computer/technically smart so I don't know if I can get the pics to post here. I was told to build a laundry room on my house that would accommodate a UNIMAC 60 pound washer and 75 pound dryer and use that for all the linens and use my SQ's for the clothes and that would save the life of the machine. I told the guy find me 30 thousand for the commercial equipment and I would put commercial equipment in my house.

All in all guys I am glad that you were all here for me to vent my frustrations to.

BTW Unimac is another ALLIANCE product.

Dave


Post# 799617 , Reply# 118   12/17/2014 at 21:15 (3,409 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)        
WELL ALL BE

Hello to all. Today I received a handful of calls from several SQ authorized service dealers, you know the ones who said;

1) You are not in a serviceable zip code!

2) You are out of our service area

3) Your machine is under warranty so we can't service your machine

4) You didn't buy the machine from us so we can't service the mach ine

I just want to say thank you to all of you even though I don't know anyone of you personally for all of your comments, concerns and opinions. I don't know if someone from here posted something on the SQ Website or on facebook. Now all the dealers that wouldn't help me are calling me asking me what can they do to help me. I told them that the machine was fixed by your competitor and is up and running.

I find it really funny that no one would come and fix the machine until there was word of keyboard came about.

I have found this website to be absolutely wonderful; there are lots of people here with an enormous amount of knowledge on several brands of machines.

Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all

God Bless
Dave


Post# 799651 , Reply# 119   12/18/2014 at 03:39 (3,409 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Awesome

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Glad you machine has been repaired. Wondering if there was a way the technician could have determined how many cycles it had completed before failure...

That would be interesting to know...

Malcolm


Post# 799695 , Reply# 120   12/18/2014 at 15:19 (3,409 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

With his figure of 25-30 cycles per week, and taking a number in between that like 28, and given he's had it almost two years that would bring you near 3,000 cycles.

Post# 800766 , Reply# 121   12/24/2014 at 15:20 (3,403 days old) by Practigal ()        
Speed queen and its distributors

David,
I think your problem is much more common then you're aware of. You would not be the first person to get rid of their Speed Queen expressly because of the service issues. In the past I have disregarded the reports by these people.
When the new Speed Queen's came out this last week I tried to contact Speed Queen about discrepancies between their inconsistent descriptions on the various pages of their website and also about their inconsistent warranty. They refused to talk to me, they do not accept emails from prospective purchasers. In my opinion that is because the emails create a paper trail. They sent me on to my local distributor whom I know to be less than honest when there is money involved (and too lazy to follow through if they could help it). Even so, in good faith I emailed their distributor. Their distributor also does not answer emails so you receive a fake daemon mailer rejection that your email did not go through response back from them.
I will not do business with Speed Queen I think that they are protecting their reputation, not earning it.
Maxima Duet GE and big box are all looking much more attractive now.


Post# 800824 , Reply# 122   12/25/2014 at 10:22 (3,402 days old) by cleanguy (earth)        
warranty

so,,,, your comparing speed queen's multi-year warranty with others one year warranty ???
I maintain speed queen TL coin-ops,, and all i can say is they last a very long time even when heavily used in a rough manor by many different people.
The coin-ops only have a 30 day labor warranty offered when YOU pay delivery and install,, otherwise just parts.

Other companies may hold your hand more,,,,but not for very long !!!!
Anyone know a top loader that lasts longer ????????????
Happy holidays :)


Post# 800832 , Reply# 123   12/25/2014 at 11:41 (3,402 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
Cleanguy

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cleanguy take a look at the new electronic control speed queen washers and dryers the warrenty is 5 years and for true lasting washers nothing beats a vintage model from 1950 to the 1999

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Post# 800836 , Reply# 124   12/25/2014 at 12:22 (3,402 days old) by cleanguy (earth)        
coin-op

TL coin-op LABOR warranty only 30 days offered by selling distributor, not manufacturer.
Where you going to find lots of good long lasting vintage machines to put in coin laundry environment ????
Coin laundries don't want a bunch of various vintage machines that may? still work ???
Most people want to buy new also,,, really,, and want warranty.
Five year parts&labor warranty for home use CAN'T BE BEAT:),, wish they offered that for coin-ops.


Post# 800840 , Reply# 125   12/25/2014 at 13:23 (3,402 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Not even some small hotels do as much laundry as you do. Even 5 loads per day is a ton of laundry.

Post# 801047 , Reply# 126   12/27/2014 at 09:50 (3,400 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Other companies may hold your hand more

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...I can't think of any.

Speed Queen can be contacted directly through their FB page our their YouTube site.

Malcolm



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