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Time for a new (not vintage) dishwasher
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Post# 801707   12/31/2014 at 12:36 (3,375 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)        

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My 20 year-old Maytag DWU9921AAX dishwasher's lower rack is rusting away and some tines are actually about ready to fall off now. I've done the "liquid rack coating" etc. but it's beyond that now. A new one is around $165 and that doesn't include the movable tines which are no longer available or the fold down shelf also no longer available. Since those parts are rusting away as well, I can't reuse them on the new rack. The machine also has a small leak showing up as a white streak on the black kick panel. As much as I love this dishwasher, I think it's time to consider getting a new one. Before this, I had a KDS18A which worked great but was VERY noisy compared to the Maytag. What NEW dishwashers would you recommend me considering? I like the "front face" electronic controls/display (not hidden) and black front panels. It is used "lightly" - only 2-3 wash cycles per week and no running rinse/hold cycle anymore due to water shortage here in CA. Your expert opinions will be highly valued by me! THANKS!




Post# 801714 , Reply# 1   12/31/2014 at 13:43 (3,375 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I wouldn't worry too much about using rinse/hold with a new machine.  They use less water than vintage ones.

 

A little over a year ago I was lucky enough to find a good deal on a Miele that was just a few years old at one of the ReStores here in town.  Silicon Valley, it turns out, is a great place for perfectly good late model discards.   The Miele far out-cleans the ISE Classic Supreme it replaced, and doesn't require phosphates to get the job done.  In fact, it does a better job without the phosphates.  I've tried both types of detergents in it.  I also don't feel guilty running it when it's not absolutely full because it uses less water.  I've been spoiled by this machine.

 

I was recently exposed to a late model Bosch in a vacation rental and absolutely hated it.  Horrible results, very flimsy, and an inefficient design on the lower rack.  I wouldn't even consider a Bosch after that experience.

 

The only drawback on Miele and Bosch is their filter assemblies that require occasional cleaning, but I've learned I don't need to perform that task as often as I thought.

 

I can't speak about late model American brands, but don't recall seeing many rave reviews here.

 

I know you said you want new, but I see Maytags of similar vintage to yours on CL quite often.  You might be able to find one cheap to switch out with the one you have and avoid the shopping and decision making process altogether.

 

 


Post# 801728 , Reply# 2   12/31/2014 at 14:46 (3,375 days old) by d-jones (Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh Area))        

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Just out of curiosity, if you're  not interested in a vintage machine, why is this posted in the Imperial forum? Shouldn't it be in Deluxe?


Post# 801733 , Reply# 3   12/31/2014 at 15:01 (3,375 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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David, if you or Bill are so inclined, I think you can click on "incorrect" in the thread's title bar at top to migrate it into the proper forum.   It might result in more responses over in Deluxe, but I'll leave that decision up to either of you.


Post# 801737 , Reply# 4   12/31/2014 at 15:34 (3,375 days old) by d-jones (Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh Area))        
Ralph

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I won't ask for the thread to be moved, I'll leave that up to Bill. He posted it so he can decide where it belongs.


Post# 801740 , Reply# 5   12/31/2014 at 15:56 (3,375 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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If you can still get one, I love my Maytag MDB8959SBS! I'm not sure about the current gen of the machine, it uses the smaller pump but the model I have has the full size pump and aside from my putting things in it I shouldn't be putting in it, I've yet to have a problem with it.

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I will say that I want to give my Maytag to my mom so I have a reason to try a Miele, but her regular tub Whirlpool (With wash tower) is still running... She just can't wash the large items in hers like I can mine. I'd swap hers out for a matter of convenience, not necessity.


Post# 801751 , Reply# 6   12/31/2014 at 18:14 (3,375 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Everyone's heard my woe is me'ing on our latest KitchenAid. Twice burned I won't purchase another one. That being said since the control box was replaced I haven't had any more problems with it knock on wood (and did buy an extended warranty soon after it first crapped out). I'll either get another Miele or try a Bosch next time. As far as performance the KitchenAid does work well and it's quiet. We use the 1 Hour wash cycle probably 98% of the time. It's a model with a filter and the S spray arm, not the traditional 4 arm.

Post# 801755 , Reply# 7   12/31/2014 at 19:24 (3,375 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The Maytag MDB7949.  It's next to top of the line (that one has hidden controls which I cannot stand either).  It doesn't have a filter. 



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Post# 801768 , Reply# 8   12/31/2014 at 20:50 (3,375 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)        
Thanks for all the advice thus far!

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I chose to post this to this forum as my CURRENT Maytag dishwasher is 20 years old. I was hoping maybe someone on AW would say "hey - I've got a new lower rack complete with all the movable tines etc. that I can let you have for a song! No such luck so far!

Does the Maytag MDB7949 have a blower for drying or just the heating element? That is another feature I value highly in a dishwasher as it really gets the dishes thoroughly dry.

Keep the ideas coming!

Thanks!


Post# 801772 , Reply# 9   12/31/2014 at 20:58 (3,375 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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no forced air drying. 


Post# 801792 , Reply# 10   1/1/2015 at 00:43 (3,374 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Just get a new Maytag:

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They are about the only new DW worth a Damn anymore.
WK78


Post# 801816 , Reply# 11   1/1/2015 at 07:09 (3,374 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
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I can only highly suggest Miele for a verry efficent DW which has a huge capacity (once you learned how to use it), cleans perfectly and has a genious drying system.
Though Mieles do not have a exposed heating element, they use a special drying system called "Turbothermic" drying. Basicly, a fan sucks the warm moist air out of the cabinet into a pocket at the side of the DW. This condensation-pocket is actively cooled by another fan. This condensation system boosts drying performance without the usage of an heated dry. This system made it famous for its ability to dry at lower temperatures and independent of the water intake temperature. But as with any modern DW, you will probably have to use a rinse agent, but Miele even suggests to use vinegar or citric acid if you don't like to us rinsing agents. (There were limitations on the acidity, but I can't remember them right now. If you like, I can check them!)
Further, if you really invest on a higher end model, there is the AutoOpen drying avaible as well. Basicly, the dishwasher opens it self after the cycle is finished. This allows for improved drying even if you do not open the door right after a cycle.
The cycle you'll probably want to have is the sensor cycle if you want to save on water and still get the optimal result you exspect. This sensor-cycle uses 3 ways of sensing to adapt to the load and thus can wash in any way from the short 1 hour wash without pre-wash and only one rinse with a low temperature profile (not more than 120°F) for a small lightly soiled load up to a (theoretical) wash with up to 2 pre-washes, a long main wash at up to 150°F, 2 interim rinses and a final rinse takeing 2 1/2 hours. Should this not be enough, you will always have the option of the intensive cycle that washes at a whopping 167°F. The maximum usage of ANY cycle is no more than 7 gallons, but the average cycle will use anywhere from 2 1/2 to 4 gallons.
As there are many lines of Miele DW (DW means DishWasher), I xan't explain you all the differences and options. But the playlist I'll attach does a pretty good job of it.
The only thing you want to care about is how far away the next Miele service is loaceted from you. Though you should get trouble free service for at least 10, but at such light use rather 15 or 20 years with minimal care (clean the filters every other month, run an empty intensive cycle once a year etc.), something always can go wrong. And Miele service is not the cheapest. But again, if want to be on the safe side, you can extend your warranty to 5 or 10 years directly from Miele. This extension gives you the full coverage your basic warranty does: No charge for parts and labour, no matter what might go wrong and of course the true Miele service (no other service company, any service job would be actually done by Miele).
Hope I could help you a bit (and my english is not to bad, i had a LONG night).
Have a nice 2015
Henrik


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Post# 802086 , Reply# 12   1/3/2015 at 09:45 (3,372 days old) by behzad (Home Appliances Lab)        
CHOSE MIELE

Hey, I suggest you to buy a Miele dishwasher. fortunately you can find a black front-control that is German made, extremely quiet, so efficient
it will cut down your E. bill and of course conserves a huge amount of water
you can choose the appliance with internal water softener, if you need that
the price will be start at 800$, but it will works quiet well for you so many years
the black ones-mostly came with front control- has the lower price than the others because most of them don't have display, so easy, so good, you even can't recognize that it's running or not, all the time because it's a super silent DW. seriously you should try it, that was my idea


BJ.


Post# 802100 , Reply# 13   1/3/2015 at 12:44 (3,372 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        
If you live in an area with hard water....

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...consider a DW with a built-in softener. We installed the SS version of the black Bosch model linked below several years ago and even with our rock-hard water here in TN everything comes out perfectly shiny and film-free with just a single Quantum Powerball tab and Somat rinse aid. We've never had any scale build up in the DW and you'd think it was brand new looking inside.

I've never felt like the occasional filter cleaning was any big deal. I pop it out whenever the "add rinse aid" light comes on and blast it with a little hot water from the sprayer and it is clean in seconds. And I only average a couple of boxes of Somat salt a year - it seems to last a long time.

Reasonably quiet running too. Only gotchas for me are the long non-Express cycles (2-3 hours) and the fact that plastic items come out pretty wet since there's no huge coil heater in the bottom. On the other hand, there ISN'T a huge coil heater in the bottom so I've never had anything melted and burnt on it unlike the KA we had before. So I can certainly live with a little light drying of tupperware.

This model includes a sanitize option, which I've always felt is important...


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