Thread Number: 58157
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NEW - KitchenAid Dishwashers with Windows |
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Post# 806602   1/29/2015 at 13:25 (3,346 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 806604 , Reply# 1   1/29/2015 at 13:45 (3,346 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 806605 , Reply# 2   1/29/2015 at 13:58 (3,346 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Oooh just think.... you can pull up a chair, sit there and watch at the water alternate between spraying *cough* out of the upper and lower wash arms (or the "turbo zone" in back) for hours... and hours.... and hours.... and hours.......
The upper end model is $2000+ ?!?!?!?!?! For a dishwasher??
Kevin
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Post# 806609 , Reply# 3   1/29/2015 at 14:45 (3,346 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 806616 , Reply# 4   1/29/2015 at 15:41 (3,346 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 806631 , Reply# 5   1/29/2015 at 19:06 (3,346 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 806640 , Reply# 6   1/29/2015 at 19:43 (3,346 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 806654 , Reply# 7   1/29/2015 at 21:58 (3,346 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 806678 , Reply# 8   1/30/2015 at 05:36 (3,345 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 806686 , Reply# 9   1/30/2015 at 06:38 (3,345 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 806689 , Reply# 10   1/30/2015 at 07:07 (3,345 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 806703 , Reply# 11   1/30/2015 at 08:40 (3,345 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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The design of the window fits in with the new design scheme of KitchenAid's ovens. I guess the window is tinted because most people don't want to see dirt and stuff running down the door before a wash cycle. The are LEDs illuminating the interior but, now that I think of it, how would one activate the lights with the control panel hidden? Maybe you have to open the door during the cycle, press Light On, and it'll turn off automatically after some time as it does on washers and dryers.
Like Frigi, I like the idea of the window... just not thrilled about the 105F wash temp (unless you extend the cycle by about an hour using Hi Temp or Sani) and the longish cycles. New design scheme:
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Post# 806705 , Reply# 12   1/30/2015 at 08:46 (3,345 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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I guess you can always use a powerful flashlight to look inside. |
Post# 806713 , Reply# 14   1/30/2015 at 09:21 (3,345 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I agree. I think the window is just going to make for a lot of service calls, aka, my machine doesn't appear to be spraying with enough pressure. And/Or, the arms are not working together.
Eventually, the glass will get etched enough that the customer cannot see into the machine at all, and the service call problem will solve itself. Malcolm |
Post# 806776 , Reply# 15   1/30/2015 at 17:47 (3,345 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 806778 , Reply# 16   1/30/2015 at 18:24 (3,345 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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The video does say you cannot turn on the light and watch your dishes get clean. Then it's useless for me!!! No better than any other modern dishwasher. Also is stated that wash arm is motorized/geared and doesn't use water pressure make it revolve. I hate to say it, but those racks' sides to me are reminiscent of the Hobart commercial dishwasher racks. |
Post# 806808 , Reply# 17   1/31/2015 at 00:47 (3,345 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Can't turn the light on so you can watch the machine work----Guess they have something to hide-KA doesn't want you to see the feeble wash action of this new machine!They don't want you to watch your dishes being sprinkled! |
Post# 806809 , Reply# 18   1/31/2015 at 00:57 (3,345 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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So Sad.
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Post# 806819 , Reply# 19   1/31/2015 at 04:30 (3,344 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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First: I fu**ing love these racks. They just look amazing in my opinion. Second: The spray system somehow looks awasome. Don't know why, but it looks somewhat interesting. Third: No light during wash? I guess we could work arround that, can't we? ;) |
Post# 806820 , Reply# 20   1/31/2015 at 04:53 (3,344 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 806830 , Reply# 21   1/31/2015 at 06:07 (3,344 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 806832 , Reply# 22   1/31/2015 at 06:25 (3,344 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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There is one under the middle basket. You can breefly spy it when he shows the bottle wash jet. |
Post# 806838 , Reply# 23   1/31/2015 at 07:07 (3,344 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Bob--- I thought the same thing! The new KithenAid's racks do remind one of the dish racks for a commercial Hobart machine.
As for the lack of vintage GE/KitchenAid water action, that doesn't bother me a bit. New machines, with their tiny motors and pumps, aren't going to create a hurricane-in-a-box. As long as the load emerges clean, I don't mind if the water show is underwhelming. Of course we pay for the water / energy savings and super-quiet operation of new machines with longer cycles. |
Post# 806839 , Reply# 24   1/31/2015 at 07:09 (3,344 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 806845 , Reply# 25   1/31/2015 at 07:41 (3,344 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 806846 , Reply# 26   1/31/2015 at 07:46 (3,344 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Bob---Oh, definitely, that's a disappointment, and it would be a deal-breaker for me in a washing machine. Don't think it would stop me from buying this KitchenAid, though. Not that I'm in the market, being very happy with my year-old GE. Hopefully it lasts at least a few more years, LOL!
Alex---I've never understood the lure of the Pro-Scrub feature. Both my LG and GE dishwashers have had no problem cleaning baked-on food from cookware without it. |
Post# 806876 , Reply# 27   1/31/2015 at 11:28 (3,344 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 807036 , Reply# 28   2/1/2015 at 10:00 (3,343 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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I recently saw a timelaspe video of Kenmore's Turbo Zone and, quite frankly, it also only washed the lower half of the glass dish - the upper part of it was basically cleaned because the lasagna eventually slid off. But it was clean in the end. I saw a demo of the Euro equivalent and it blew water to the top of the tub.
Speaking of dishwashers with windows: Brastemp sells smaller dishwashers with windows in Brasil, as does Electrolux. Japan has its own versions as well.
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Post# 807313 , Reply# 29   2/2/2015 at 14:05 (3,342 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 807315 , Reply# 30   2/2/2015 at 14:13 (3,342 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Can you tell when these jets are engaged? Does the machine make any different sound or can you hear the water hitting the pans? I would think water hitting stainless steel or light aluminum pans at close range might make some sound. |
Post# 807326 , Reply# 31   2/2/2015 at 15:14 (3,342 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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To tell the truth the machine itself is so dern quiet that you have to strain at the vent to hear much at all.
You can tell when it switches from to the Pro-Scrub jets because you can hear the arm for the upper rack quit swishing by. Other than that, and since I have only used it on Corningware cooking dishes, I don't hear much difference. Honestly, since you have to face the dish to the back and tilt it downward taking up two rows of tines, so that it get sprayed by the lower spray arms, I don't notice that much difference, and would take up about the same amount of room if I just put it face down in the lower rack Poof-done. |
Post# 807329 , Reply# 32   2/2/2015 at 15:42 (3,342 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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appears to me the internal workings are just something else to tear up or malfunction. I prefer brute force water pressure...guess I'll have to step up my search for an older KA or another Jetclean to keep running...or order some spare parts while they still have them available for the current one.
I wonder if there is any way for us to re-engineer some of these new machines with stronger pumps? I may have to find one on craigslist that someone is throwing out (already) and fiddle with it. |
Post# 807340 , Reply# 33   2/2/2015 at 16:18 (3,342 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 807367 , Reply# 34   2/2/2015 at 19:10 (3,342 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 807374 , Reply# 35   2/2/2015 at 19:42 (3,342 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 807375 , Reply# 36   2/2/2015 at 19:45 (3,342 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 807379 , Reply# 37   2/2/2015 at 20:18 (3,342 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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My Kenmore Elite is almost 8 years old, thus it doesn't alternate between upper and lower wash arms. I can tell a noticeable difference when the rear jets come one. The upper wash arm ceases to turn as all "that" water is directed to the jets. On all cycles they operate for 4 minutes during the pre wash. I've always used the option on Pots & Pans, except one time on Normal. On normal cycle, it operated for about 2 minutes and then another period of about 5 to 8 minutes and that was it. I thought, why bother and never used Normal again for Turbo Zone. On Pots & Pans it operates for about 5 minutes early during the main wash and then later toward the end of the main wash for about 17 minutes. Have never used Turbo Zone of Smart Wash. |
Post# 807419 , Reply# 39   2/3/2015 at 03:48 (3,341 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 807428 , Reply# 40   2/3/2015 at 06:30 (3,341 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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When you turn it on the light inside should turn on like the radio's dial light in Christine. |
Post# 810627 , Reply# 41   2/22/2015 at 13:14 (3,322 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 810634 , Reply# 42   2/22/2015 at 13:58 (3,322 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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8.1 l for a 15 minute rinse? Are you kidding? |
Post# 810656 , Reply# 44   2/22/2015 at 16:11 (3,322 days old) by washer111 ()   |   | |
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If you heat your water with anything but electricity, running probably saving something. I run about 1.5 gallons on average each cycle, and still see moderate savings in electricity. |
Post# 810687 , Reply# 45   2/22/2015 at 19:37 (3,322 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 810696 , Reply# 46   2/22/2015 at 21:10 (3,322 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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The sensors in Whirlpool machines are used throughout all cycles besides the Quick/Express and of course Rinse & Hold cycles. The Min-Max times are just that: the minimum time the cycle will run, and vice versa. The times are all measured by algorithms depending on the readouts from the optical sensor at certain points throughout the cycle. At the beginning, a low soil reading could progress the prewash straight into the main wash, and likewise a heavy soil reading can add prewashes and prerinses, add time to the main wash, and add rinses as well. The sensor usually activates in the first rinse, and then calibrates in the final rinse. |
Post# 810697 , Reply# 47   2/22/2015 at 21:35 (3,322 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 810738 , Reply# 49   2/23/2015 at 07:57 (3,321 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 810739 , Reply# 50   2/23/2015 at 08:08 (3,321 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Only the WaterWall comes to my mind. All others are still driven by water pressure. But isn't the Kenmore or Whirlpool with these adjusting sprays geared? |
Post# 810752 , Reply# 51   2/23/2015 at 10:42 (3,321 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 812481 , Reply# 53   3/5/2015 at 19:39 (3,311 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Found this while checking out some of Reviewed.com's other videos.
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