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Post# 121740   4/12/2006 at 15:43 (6,588 days old) by varicyclevoice (Davenport, Iowa)        

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Thought you might like to see some pictures of my KitchenAid dishwasher collection. Also, my house was built in 1950. My kitchen is retro-looking, but my stove and refrigerator are newer. What I would like to do is install a stainless steel built-in wall oven from the 50's 60's era (electric). Any ideas how I could locate one? Now...here are some pics...




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Post# 121762 , Reply# 12   4/12/2006 at 16:11 (6,588 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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Loved your pictures. That KitchenAid Custom KDC-17 was the one of the best dishwashers we ever owned.

Post# 121765 , Reply# 13   4/12/2006 at 16:17 (6,588 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        

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Todd--I am insanely jealous of your collection.

I have a KDS-17, KDS-17A, and a KDS-18. Also a KUDS22 and KUDC23 on more-or-less permanant loan to friends. I would love to find a KDS-15 and a KDS-16. My grandmother had a KDI-15, my mom's cousin had a KDS-16 and as a kid we had a KDD-67 front load portable.

Your KDS-36 must be exceedingly rare.

Looking forward to seeing pictures of the rest of your collection!

T.


Post# 121769 , Reply# 14   4/12/2006 at 16:30 (6,588 days old) by customline (pennsylvania)        
Nice collection.....

As a fellow dishwasher collector I am very impressed by what you have. As for a stainless wall oven, you might want to start looking at an appliance recycle center. Next stop would be to scope out an older neighborhood where there might be a unit waiting by the curbside headed to oblivian (that's how I found mine). I have an appliance thrift store near me that I check regularly. When you find the oven then you have to find the matching cooktop. Once you do all this, then the fun part begins,cleaning and restoration. This part can be just as tedious and agravating as going out and finding the stuff but in the end you will be very proud of your achievment.

Post# 121774 , Reply# 15   4/12/2006 at 16:48 (6,588 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Love the KD's! They all seem to be in mint condition. Love the Patrician, too.
Bobby in Boston


Post# 121795 , Reply# 16   4/12/2006 at 17:19 (6,587 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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DROOLING.

Beautiful stuff!


Post# 121825 , Reply# 17   4/12/2006 at 18:36 (6,587 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
18 Series Rules (with some modifications)

The only good thing a 19 has is parts like the full width upper wash arm and larger china guard. Put that in an 18 and you have fine dishwashing without all of that craziness about stopping to heat water. I have been amazed to find that with the new enzyme detergents, my 18s clean as well with 120-130 degree hot water as they did with hotter water and the older chlorinated products. I do use the sani cycle to help them dry better. I love my 18s. Tom

Post# 121853 , Reply# 18   4/12/2006 at 19:58 (6,587 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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After having fun at Rogers with his KAs, I too am insanely jealous.

Post# 121855 , Reply# 19   4/12/2006 at 20:01 (6,587 days old) by fixerman ()        

I just did a service call on a stainless Frigidaire double wall oven. The woman said it was a 1960 model. Unfortunately I was able to fix it so I assume they plan on keeping it. I will keep my eyes open for one though.

Post# 121858 , Reply# 20   4/12/2006 at 20:06 (6,587 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I need help. I've been having fun going down memory lane on the KA web site with looking at owners manuals for their DW from the 20 series on up. They require 6 characters and the KUDSxx works fine. But to get to the 19 and below, I can't. KUD*** doesn't work nor does KDS-19. Can someone solve this riddle for me? Thanks.

Post# 121862 , Reply# 21   4/12/2006 at 20:24 (6,587 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        

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Hi, Bob! Unfortunately, I don't think KA has online manuals for machines KD-19 and older. Bastards.

And here's something else sinister! I was going through old parts diagrams, and the "cheapening" of the KDI-21 and KDC-21 machines I sort of ranted about in another thread (the 700W heating element used for water heating AND drying, the plastic fan duct, etc) which I had pinned on WP actually happened in mid 1985 on HOBART'S watch, and until the WP nomenclature ("KUDS"), they were known as KDI-21A and KDC-21A. Mid-1986 is when the Hobart name disappeared off the parts and service literature.

Does anyone know how WP came to acquire the KA division from Hobart? Was Hobart in dire straits? Did WP make a deal Hobart couldn't refuse? Was there dirty work afoot? Inquiring minds want to know!

T.


Post# 121864 , Reply# 22   4/12/2006 at 20:33 (6,587 days old) by varicyclevoice (Davenport, Iowa)        
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Thank you guys for your positive comments about my machines. I can't tell you how many of my friends have seen them and looked at me like I was nuts. I do enjoy my hobby and I love working on them. I have the use and care manuals from the KD-22 series all the way back to the first KD-10 (with the exception of KDS-19...which I don't have). I also have collected service manuals, sales brochures and magazine advertisements. Also....thanks too for the tips on locating a vintage oven. I hope someday to have all of my favorite appliances in my kitchen!

Deeptub and Customline: I would love to know more about your dishwasher collection!


Post# 121871 , Reply# 23   4/12/2006 at 21:00 (6,587 days old) by brent-aucoin ()        
Way to go Todd!

Todd!
Thanks so much for the pictures of your KitchenAid Collection!
How beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
I have also got the KitchenAid Bug! It has all started about a month ago. I can kick myself over the KA's that I passed up in the past.
I am working on a KDS-18. It is in great shape, but needs some loving.
I found a custom 21 that I am going to use for parts. It is not so good, but the parts are good.
I also found a Whirlpool built KUDS24, actually 3 of them, that were put to scrap because they just were not in style anymore. All of them I got for free! I put one of them in my kitchen to replace a 6 month old Maytag 300 series that was in the house when I bought it back in December. Although this KA is a Whirlpool built dishwasher, it does not play around. It reminds me very much of the Hobart built machines, and is better than anything on the market as of now with the "KitchenAid" name on them.
Please do continue to share your collection with us. I have always had a thing for KitchenAid dishwashers!
You made my night!
Thanks Todd!
Brent


Post# 121877 , Reply# 24   4/12/2006 at 21:15 (6,587 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Oven

You might try to connect with a kitchen remodeller who usually tosses these old ovens because they arent self-cleaning. I have one that I got that way. SteveD

Post# 121878 , Reply# 25   4/12/2006 at 21:21 (6,587 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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GASP!

THUD!

I'd compliment you on your collection, but I'm too busy drooling.

Geez, does everyone have a KA but me?

veg


Post# 121882 , Reply# 26   4/12/2006 at 21:43 (6,587 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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well now i know who to ask when i'm looking for a pre year 2000 dual wash arm KA dishasher!
once i'm out of college and have my own pad, i'm going on a crazy KA hunt. My first choice is the KUD23 series...it's my favorite.
Once i have those i was thinking of throwing a stainless steel upper arm rack....if the plastic one bugged me much......i'll see.

BTW, my best friend and i go for thai food in davenport all the time when i visit him from IL.


Post# 122002 , Reply# 27   4/13/2006 at 10:35 (6,587 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Veg,
How can you go thru life w/out a KitchenAid dishwasher?
We have got to get you back on the stick. Not coming to the Yankee wash-in was bad enough, but no KD? Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) LOL,
Bobby in Boston


Post# 122017 , Reply# 28   4/13/2006 at 11:43 (6,587 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Todd your colletion of Kitchen Aid dishwashers is awesome!! I am drooling along with the rest here. Thanks so much for sharing. Terry

Post# 122064 , Reply# 29   4/13/2006 at 15:30 (6,587 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Lemme tell ya, Bobby, it's a gray, hollow existence!

veg

P.S. It's probably better I didn't go to the NE wash-in. I have a hard time behaving myself in the best of situations; the wash in would have put me over the edge!


Post# 122078 , Reply# 30   4/13/2006 at 16:41 (6,587 days old) by varicyclevoice (Davenport, Iowa)        
Thanks guys!

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Wow....such wonderful people you all are! (Blush) I have never received such support for my KitchenAid interest. If anyone ever needs copies of manuals or anything....just email me at MrFrench70@aol.com

I'm glad I made your night Brent...LOL. Do you or anyone else on here have pictures of their KitchenAids to share? I loved the vintage portable unit pictured on here recently.

Also...if anyone is passing through Davenport, Iowa...let me know....would love to have you stop by.


Post# 122080 , Reply# 31   4/13/2006 at 16:48 (6,587 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Looks like a showroom! My parents had a KDI-17a. Two, actually. One was installed in the house (built in 1964) in which I grew up, then there was already one in the house to which we moved in 1980. One of my aunts also had a KDI-17a (she replaced it with a newer Imperial some years ago), and another aunt had a KDC-17a. I have a KUDS-22 stashed in my garage.

Post# 122128 , Reply# 32   4/13/2006 at 22:11 (6,586 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I know, and it's killing me, especially after playing with the 2 in Tucson. Better check my luggage and pockets next time I leave your house.

Post# 122134 , Reply# 33   4/13/2006 at 22:40 (6,586 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Bob, if you're referring to my Superba, BOTH sisters have spoken for it, but NEITHER one has yet done the deed.... first come, first served! (assuming I'd even let it go).

Post# 122135 , Reply# 34   4/13/2006 at 22:45 (6,586 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

What a cool collection! Quite a nice collection of machines there!

For your guys looking for wall ovens, I have found the trick is to hit some of the more affluent, but older neighborhoods built around the late 50's to early 70's. This is when wall ovens were most popular, especially in contempoary and modern style homes. They were ususally featured in more upscale kitchens, along with drop-in cooktops. Find out if any of these neighborhoods are having a "clean up day" where they will pick up bulk trash...or just look for homes under renovation. It also may not be a bad idea to hit appliance shops in the area that deal with selling new stuff to them, and you can get an inside connection on the old gear that's pulled out!


Post# 122380 , Reply# 35   4/15/2006 at 23:22 (6,584 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
KitchenAid turns up everywhere!

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My sister lives in a house inherited from her aunt and it has KDI16 from 1969. I'll get pictures as soon as I use up the film. It's still going strong and we want to hold onto it, do repair people still know how to repair it? Now, I was looking at a music video on vh1 and what to I see? Go to the website below, click on "We are One Tonite" and it is about halfway through with a pregnant woman closing the KA. Nep

CLICK HERE TO GO TO neptunebob's LINK


Post# 122397 , Reply# 36   4/16/2006 at 00:37 (6,584 days old) by bigal ()        

Great photo's of your collection! All your machines really look great! My mom had a KDI 17 w/stainless steel panels. The machine worked great!

Kraft-General Foods bought Hobart sometime in the mid-80's. Hobart continued to function as an independent business unit, but gave Kraft a competitive advantage by having an institutional kitchen equipment manufacturer in it's portfolio. The research laboratories of Hobart matched with Krafts marketing & research knowledge helped strengthen Krafts position as a global provider of food, and food related services/products. Kraft sold the KitchenAid name to Whirlpool towards the late 80's/early 90's. Whirlpool adopted some KitchenAid technologies, but eventually put all it's machines on similar platforms to reduce manufacturing costs.

One, or two, models of Hobarts commercial undercounter dishwashers still uses virtually the same pump technology as the KDI 17 series (which is why many parts are still available)

Todd, do you know where I might still be able to get a stainless steel uppper & lower panel for my KDS 17A? Also, I need a new black pushbutton for the Energy Saver switch. Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


Post# 122475 , Reply# 37   4/16/2006 at 18:23 (6,583 days old) by varicyclevoice (Davenport, Iowa)        
Regarding the black energy saver button

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Hi there,

I have a spare button you can have. Email me at:
MrFrench70@aol.com


Post# 122536 , Reply# 38   4/16/2006 at 21:33 (6,583 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Is there a way you can date Kitchenaids using the model number or serial number or something?

veg


Post# 122538 , Reply# 39   4/16/2006 at 22:04 (6,583 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        
Stainless Steel Wall Oven

I have some friends that I sold a house to, a ranch(1950's) that has a fabulous 1960 stainless wall oven, but they think it is too small for them. Give me an email and I will contact you. Phil Turo turop@aol.com

Post# 122539 , Reply# 40   4/16/2006 at 22:14 (6,583 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

Didn't Whirlpool get the built in food waste disposer idea in their dishwashers from Hobart/ Kitchenaid? I always thought that was something that came from that acquisition, versus something that was "home grown"

Post# 122556 , Reply# 41   4/16/2006 at 22:52 (6,583 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Anybody know where I can get a set of top side racks and a soap dish for a KD-2P?


Post# 122751 , Reply# 42   4/17/2006 at 19:01 (6,582 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Electrasol tabs migh work!

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Actually, I'm not sure if there was a soap dish. I do remember directions on Cascade that said you could put two tablespoons on the bottom of the tub. On my sister's KDI16 the soap dispenser doesn't work so I use two Electrosol tabs, one at the beginning and then I open the door to add another at the long wash period. Now, my BIL tries to use only one tab at the beginning - you have to use two!. Electrosol tabs would probably work in your Hobart too.

Post# 122802 , Reply# 43   4/17/2006 at 21:48 (6,582 days old) by varicyclevoice (Davenport, Iowa)        
To answer your question Veg....

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When KitchenAid dishwashers were made by Hobart, I don't believe that they incorporated the date into the serial or model numbers. The models were consecutive 10, 11, etc. I have a production date sheet that tells the month and year of when the models were released and then discontinued.

Post# 122808 , Reply# 44   4/17/2006 at 22:04 (6,582 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        
Soap Dish

There was a soap "dish",a small screen-cup on the top rack.You cannot put the soap at tub bottom,because this machine has a simultaneous fill-drain purge at the beginning and it would flush it down the drain before the wash portion.You can use a tea strainer on the top rack as a substitute for now.

Post# 122814 , Reply# 45   4/17/2006 at 22:21 (6,582 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Tea strainer

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Good idea!

I notice that the fill on the KD-2P is a spray fill. That is, it enters at mid-level and a diverter spreads the flow in a shower pattern across the tub, just under the upper rack. In any case, any soap dish or tea strainer would have to be on the upper rack to avoid getting wetted and spent before the main wash beings.

Wetted and spent... why am I anticipating a reply from Toggle here? :-)


Post# 122885 , Reply# 46   4/18/2006 at 09:46 (6,582 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Thanks, Todd!

veg



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