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Post# 816590   3/30/2015 at 16:55 (963 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

Went in hoping to get an AWN542 but after some careful thought and this dealer not having them available anymore I decided to get the AWNE82 electronic model instead. I take delivery Wednesday morning, they only had the display that they said they just got in so I opted for that instead of waiting for one to come in, so the attached picture is of the actual machine I bought. (That price on the machine is NOT what I paid for it just FYI)




Post# 816613 , Reply# 1   3/30/2015 at 18:59 (963 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Congrats

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I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on your new machine.

Malcolm


Post# 816622 , Reply# 2   3/30/2015 at 19:37 (963 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

Yes me too, it would appear I'm the "guinea pig" for the new electronic models on this forum. My two biggest concerns are the fact that this thing won't even fill with the lid open, but I checked it and it has the same easy-to-bypass lid switch as the electromechanical models. And I'm concerned about the "reduced" water level and if these models have a way of fixing that like the electromechanical models, or if I'm just gonna have to deal with it.

Outside of that I'm freaken excited! It'll be nice to say good riddance to that old Samsungtag FL that has seen better days...


Post# 816663 , Reply# 3   3/31/2015 at 08:03 (962 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Water levels

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I thought it was confirmed that a full tub of water fill on the new models.

Malcolm


Post# 816691 , Reply# 4   3/31/2015 at 11:22 (962 days old) by estesguy (kansas)        
Energy guide

Yes, we'll be interested to hear how the water level works out, as there is a BIG difference between the 400 KWHs on the AWN542 you were going to buy, and the 112 KWHs on the model you ended up buying. 112 is really, really low.

Post# 816692 , Reply# 5   3/31/2015 at 11:31 (962 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
Malcolm

At this point I have no clue except I read in the user guide that "due to 2009 DOE regulations this machine has a reduced water level". Now idk if that's just a carryover wording from previous models or if it still holds true. We'll find out tomorrow.

Estesguy, I think that energy guide rating is only if you use the "Normal Eco" cycle (thank you speed queen for putting "Eco" after "Normal" unlike every other manufacturer that has made normal Into "Eco" without warning, lol) which only has one wash and one spray rinse and nothing else.
If you want a full tub rinse you must either select the heavy duty cycle or add a second rinse to the normal Eco cycle (so 1 spray rinse and 1 full tub rinse).


Post# 816708 , Reply# 6   3/31/2015 at 13:14 (962 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Full Tub

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Here is a picture from a user that just took delivery showing a full tub fill.

Malcolm


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Post# 816756 , Reply# 7   3/31/2015 at 18:18 (962 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Congrats

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and welcome to a growing family of discerning launders. You will find this machine so amazing that words are not necessary to describe it!

What will stand out is super clean laundry and the knowledge of a reliable workhorse machine.


Post# 816771 , Reply# 8   3/31/2015 at 19:27 (962 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
Washman

I am REALLY excited about this. I have missed our Raytheon Amana since it was replaced in 2006, even if it was a little on the crappy side. I'm excited to be getting it's better built successor.

Post# 816786 , Reply# 9   3/31/2015 at 20:21 (962 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Ya know jonathan

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I've had the SQ for a while now and I STILL get excited when I do laundry. Guess I'm weird or OCD OR DDHR or something like that.

Call me nuts but I still dig the 210 degree stroke. The spin drain. The great turnover. The cleanliness of my laundry. The ease of use.

Since I bought a new home, I have to backtrack on my tirades against eco-nazism that has swept this great land of ours ever since algore brought us up to speed with his powerpoint.

I have a 96% hi eff furnace.

1.28 gallon flush toilets.

R38 insulation in the ceiling

R21 in the walls.

An eco conscious Frig DW that uses, drum roll please, a whoppping 4.1 gallons of H2OH during the "normal" wash cycle!

All the outside lights are swirly CFL using a paltry 13W of power to light up the night.

But life is all about balance and I'll get that in spades each time I fire up the SQ and enjoy a freshly lit Marlboro while it washes away.


Post# 816803 , Reply# 10   3/31/2015 at 22:46 (961 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

Those are all the reasons why I'm so into the SQ. I never was a huge fan of the short strokes of the whirlpool DD or the sound of it.

It's funny you bring that up cuz I was gonna go into that in my last post but didn't, you must've been reading my mind!

I have converted everything here to energy efficient where I see no compromise in doing so and would actually see true savings. it is all about balance like you say, so I have half CFL/LED and half incandescent. One furnace is 80% efficient and the other is 97% (be nice if the 80%er was a 97 too but that was before we knew we could put a condensing furnace in the attic) The toilets are all 1.6 GPF, but the showers are all high-ish flow as are the faucet aerators.
Now that the washer is gonna be a water guzzler I'm gonna need to find somewhere else to save! (probably put a timer on the pool pump)


Post# 816831 , Reply# 11   4/1/2015 at 05:55 (961 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Love the look of the electronic console--sleek! Do the new machines do a spin-drain or have they adopted the small electric pump for a neutral drain?

Post# 816878 , Reply# 12   4/1/2015 at 10:34 (961 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ TL Washers

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Unfortunately they still do a spin-drain, they could really improve their belt life if they would start spinning with an empty tub. It also uses 10-15 times as much power to use an inefficient 1/2 HP split phase motor to pump out the water.

 

I think the only reason they are keeping the water pump on the main motor [ in this country at least ] is that it is much cheaper to build. One of the other bad things about having the water attached to the main motor is when the pump seal fails it sometimes ruins a $200 motor.

 

SQ also needs to add and enlarge the holes in the bottom of their washers tub to improve the heavy soil removal of their TL machines [ in addition to adding a ND operation ]. Overall the performance of SQ TL washers is not that great, this is probably why few of the serious washer collectors on this site have new SQ TL washers in their laundry rooms.


Post# 816882 , Reply# 13   4/1/2015 at 11:02 (961 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
The Queen has Arrived!!

The delivery guys just finished putting the new Queen in, the old clunker Samsungtag is GONE. (They had a hell of a time getting it out of here)

Some things I wanna get off my chest right away are: it indeed does fill to just a smidge below the top row of holes just as Malcolm posted.

The hot side is no longer restricted, it appears to fill full rate on this machine.

And it is confirmed the electronic models don't let you even watch it fill.

The filler pattern has changed, it's more of a pressurized sideways flat stream now as opposed to the tranquil waterfall. (I suppose this helps with the spray rinses)
I will post a photo once I get the lid switch bypassed.

Right now it's being run through a "clean" cycle with very hot water, I wiped down the tub first and a lot of that black grease that others have mentioned came off on the towel. Hopefully a cycle with detergent takes care of it.

Once the doors on the closet are closed the machine is just a mere hum in the house, I'm so far pleased with the sound levels (though I probably won't be washing at 1AM anymore)
On the spin cycle (at least while empty) it's so smooth I can't even tell its spinning until I peek in the lid and see it whirring away at 710 RPM. I'm so used to that Samsungtag shaking the house like a violent earthquake it's not even funny, this is such a welcome change!


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Post# 816898 , Reply# 14   4/1/2015 at 11:47 (961 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Looks Good!

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Now you gotta get rid of that dryer! :}

Malcolm


Post# 816917 , Reply# 15   4/1/2015 at 13:23 (961 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
You did the right

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thing by investing, not buying, a Speed Queen. These are durable units. You will be the fist one here with the electronic controls and I am anxious to hear how they work out for you in terms of ease-of-use and longevity.

Post# 816933 , Reply# 16   4/1/2015 at 14:50 (961 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)        

Any chance you can make a video of this machine in operation? I'd love to see the fill and the controls. in the one demo vid I found, it sounds like they have the nice same beep as the commercial units.

Also I'd be curious in how much wash time the different soil levels add. I downloaded a manual but it didn't say in there.
Thanks!


Post# 816946 , Reply# 17   4/1/2015 at 15:59 (961 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

Malcolm: that's next on my list! ... After a new water heater and some other things, but I definitely wanna get the matching dryer.

Washman: Agreed! So far I have no complaints about the electronic controls, they behave just like the commercial controls of which I'm already accustomed and I think the electronic controls on this machine are more intuitive to a novice then the dials were.
Also like you see in the picture they light up in blue and I think that's awesome, very sleek. I feel like I have the best of both worlds here.

Bruce: I will do that once I get the lid switch bypassed, right now I'm enjoying the New Washer Smell and familiarizing myself with it and then I'll start horsing with it.

They do have the same beep as the commercial units! The end of cycle signal is just a long beep basically, the loudest setting is just barely loud enough to hear through the closet doors. I personally think it could be a little louder, but not a big deal considering I wasn't even expecting to get that feature on a TL anyway. (I was wanting the AWN542 at first)

minus my "clean the grease out" first wash I've done 4 loads of laundry so far and I've only used the "Heavy Duty" cycle which was last years Normal cycle minus a spray rinse during the first spin.
In Heavy Duty without prewash or extra rinse selected, on Light Soil, the wash time is 29 minutes, Medium Soil is 31 minutes, and Heavy Soil is 33 minutes. So from light to heavy is only a 4 minutes difference. I have a feeling for extra dirty loads I'll be using the prewash alot since that 4 minutes difference doesn't seem like much to me.

Also something else I just noticed in this 4th load of laundry I did is the initial spin out after the wash was in low speed? I didn't notice this any other time (I probably wasn't paying attention then). This was in the "Heavy Duty" cycle, the final spin was high speed.


Post# 816968 , Reply# 18   4/1/2015 at 18:26 (961 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
For your viewing pleasure

I popped the contro panel off to try to figure out how to bypass the lid switch (the clothespin under the back trick didn't work as I couldn't get it out far enough to see what I was doing) so I shoved half a clothespin between the metal piece over the switch itself and the cabinet. I could've wired the two leads together but didn't have a piece to stick the connectors onto.

So anyway here's never before seen pictures of the behind the scenes of the electronic control panel, and I also posted the wiring diagram.


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Post# 816973 , Reply# 19   4/1/2015 at 19:04 (961 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Where was the control board made?

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Does it say?

Post# 817000 , Reply# 20   4/1/2015 at 22:01 (960 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)        

All I know is it is the same company that has been making their control boards for the past 25 years.

How long is the actual wash time then? Maybe like 10 minutes on light and 14 on heavy? Also, how long is the final spin on the heavy duty cycle? From the descriptions in the manual I downloaded, it shows only a 5 minutes spin on the heavy duty but the normal eco has a 9 minute spin. I feel the spin should at least be 7 minutes.


Post# 817002 , Reply# 21   4/1/2015 at 22:03 (960 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)        

Also does the control keep your settings from the previous cycle or does it reset back to default?

Post# 817007 , Reply# 22   4/1/2015 at 22:50 (960 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I haven't timed it yet but it seems pretty short, 10-12 minutes at most maybe? I'm actually surprised at how short it seems (might just be that I'm still used to front loaders though).

In heavy duty the final drain out/spin starts at the 9 minute mark.

Yes it does hold the settings from the previous cycle.

I will try and have a video up tomorrow.

Oh one more thing, I watched it again go into initial spin in the Heavy Duty cycle and it does run in low speed for that. Oh and I must correct myself on saying there is no spray rinse at all in the heavy duty cycle, there is in the Initial spinout.


Post# 817046 , Reply# 23   4/2/2015 at 05:56 (960 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Updated Videos

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These posted yesterday from Alliance. Enjoy.






















Malcolm


Post# 817065 , Reply# 24   4/2/2015 at 08:44 (960 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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I like the look of the electronic controls and wish we had Speed Queen in Canada instead of the Huebesch version. Looking at their website, they have replaced all the words on the control panel with nothing but symbols. I don't know how anyone is supposed to figure out what all the buttons are for just by looking at symbols. I know the intention is to make it easier no matter what language you speak but it sure isn't easier for me.

Gary


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Post# 817075 , Reply# 25   4/2/2015 at 11:58 (960 days old) by A440 ()        

That is one great looking washer!

I find it so interesting that when SQ went to digital the price went up. 

Wouldn't that little digital interface cost a good bit less than an mechanical timer?

Shady.

B


Post# 817080 , Reply# 26   4/2/2015 at 12:26 (960 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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they are beautiful.....only wishing they had a full panel light.....

can't help but think they resemble a FemBot.....


Post# 817143 , Reply# 27   4/2/2015 at 20:17 (960 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Cost Of The New SQ Washers With Electronic Controls

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Electronic controls are likely to cost more than the timer that SQ was using, especially when you use decent quality ECs.

 

I sold three SQ TL washers this week, all AWN432s, I installed the first one this afternoon, and it still has a mechanical timer, interestingly the price went DOWN on the AWN432, we are selling it for the same price as the AWN412, our delivered and installed price in our service area is $769 + tax.


Post# 817154 , Reply# 28   4/2/2015 at 20:43 (960 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

For my AWNE82 I paid $749 plus opted for the $28 dollar installation and haul away (it was totally worth it to have that Samsungtag carried out) plus tax.

They wanted $699 for the AWN432, I never asked about the AWNE92 but I'm guessing $799. Another appliance store across town that still had the AWN542 in stock wanted $775.

So at least in my own personal experience, the prices didn't go up.

And to everyone waiting on a video, I'll try and do it tomorrow or Saturday (have to wait til nobodies home so the videos not full of distractions). Went to film it today and realized my camera battery wasn't charged (I also couldn't scrounge up anything to wash, I did everything in lightning fast time yesterday!)


Post# 817183 , Reply# 29   4/3/2015 at 00:45 (959 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

Ok guys I've got a video up.

I didn't edit it so it's the full length. It got cut off toward the end of the final spin though, so you miss the end of cycle signal, but you hear it at the beginning when I turned it on.


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Post# 817200 , Reply# 30   4/3/2015 at 05:47 (959 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

What?! No user diagram on the inside of the lid? Just a blank white space where there should be pictures and words - not good enough!

Post# 817223 , Reply# 31   4/3/2015 at 07:36 (959 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Thanks for the video! I do have one question, though: how does that spray rinse on Eco Normal work? All I can see is the water hitting the base of the agitator, while most of the clothes and the suds on the basket seem to remain untouched.

Post# 817239 , Reply# 32   4/3/2015 at 08:52 (959 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Under the Lid

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I noticed the lack of instructions on the lid as well. Looks ODD without them. Do they still have them on the coin-op machines?

Malcolm


Post# 817242 , Reply# 33   4/3/2015 at 09:02 (959 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
PreWash

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How much time does the PRE-WASH add?

Is the fill flume part of the tub ring or mounted to the machine cabinet?

I too would like to see an Eco rinse. With and without second rinse.

When filling with warm water, do you hear the valve cycling the hot on and off? Wondering how the TOL model has 4 temp options...

Malcolm


Post# 817252 , Reply# 34   4/3/2015 at 10:45 (959 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I didn't even notice the missing diagram, I guess they figure nobody reads them anyway?

The machine has only been run in Normal Eco once and it wasn't by me, so I didn't get to watch it. I can tell you this though, the normal Eco cycle is pretty short. I'm pretty sure the rinse is just a long spray rinse.
When you add a rinse to the normal Eco cycle it adds on 10 minutes and is a full deep tub rinse. Speed Queen specifically says not to use normal Eco if you're using fabric softener.


Malcolm: the pre wash adds 15 minutes to the timer.

The fill flume is mounted to the cabinet.

I believe these machines do have some form of ATC but every bit of Info I've found says that ATC is only enabled in the Normal Eco cycle, which I've confirmed to be true. Heavy Duty cycle gives TRUE hot (with no flow restriction mind you) water and 50/50 mixing on warm.

I'll see what I can scrounge up for clothing, and do another video on Normal Eco!


Post# 817258 , Reply# 35   4/3/2015 at 11:24 (959 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
Conjecture on the cost of the control

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Indeed I would guess that the actual cost of a single board is likely more then the mechanical timer they were using.

But, the overall the electronic control may be less expensive when you consider its flexibility to be used across other models with just a software change. With a mechanical timer you have to change the cams and contacts to reprogram. Because of the versatility of the base electronic control board there may be some economics of the platform scale that favor it. Having to manufacture a different mechanical timer for each machine increases costs.

Also moving forward the electronic control offers 'smarts' that a mere mechanical timer can't. While some eschew the idea of electronic controls, they will ultimately become necessary for sales due to market pressure. Very difficult to sell a basic appearing machine for the same cost as one that looks like the Space Shuttle flight deck, even if the innards are better... I like the fact that the machine can potentially function with system feedback to control the cycle based on various inputs, this is difficult/impossible with a simple mechanical timer.

Finally to reliability I would wager that SQ cared enough to use decent stuff. On the flip side I wonder if the mechanical timers they have been using in the recent years are any where near the quality of the vintage timers we all know and love. I have to think that cost pressures have made recent mechanical timers less likely to last the way their vintage brethren did.


Post# 817277 , Reply# 36   4/3/2015 at 13:58 (959 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
As requested here is the Al Gore...errr Normal Eco wash...

If you've noticed by now they have this model only doing a low speed spin drain after the wash cycle, in Normal Eco and Heavy Duty. Our Amana and every SQ I've seen on YT did a high speed spin drain after the wash...

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Post# 817278 , Reply# 37   4/3/2015 at 14:05 (959 days old) by murando531 (Huntsville, AL)        

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That spray rinse seems much more effective than what my WP 4800 does, but I'm still not convinced that it truly rinses the whole load. I'd always just use the extra rinse option or the Heavy Duty cycle. The spray rinse on the WP is water falling directly down on the agitator as the tub slowly pulse-turns, the water barely even touches the clothes. It fills with a inch or two's worth, and then proceeds to the final spin. 


Post# 817290 , Reply# 38   4/3/2015 at 14:49 (959 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

That's why I've only used the Heavy Duty cycle so far, because of the spray rinsing and, because of the fact that Normal Eco only uses cold water.

I doubt I'll ever use Normal Eco as long as I want my clothes to actually come out clean and rinsed properly.

Now that I've seen it through the full Eco cycle, I go back on assuming the machine has any kind of ATC, it just simply uses only cold on the Normal Eco or full cold, 50/50 mix for warm, or full hot on Heavy Duty.


Post# 817309 , Reply# 39   4/3/2015 at 17:07 (959 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Normal ECO

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thanks for posting the video. Spray rinsing is quite short. Noticed that. The wash light remained on through the first spray rinse. Manual indicates NE uses less hot water than regular cycles. So the initial burst of hot water is about on course with what I would expect. Probably best for everyday casual cottons and denims, but I wouldn't go much further than that.

Now we need someone to make movies of the FL machines...

Malcolm



Post# 817331 , Reply# 40   4/3/2015 at 19:06 (959 days old) by stchuck (saint charles, il)        
Just ordered the front loader and matching dryer

The unfortunate part is I wont take delivery for quite a while (May 23rd) as they are going into a home that we don't yet live in but will close on in early May.

Post# 817339 , Reply# 41   4/3/2015 at 19:27 (959 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Does the pre-wash use intermittent soaks and agitation?

Post# 817349 , Reply# 42   4/3/2015 at 20:06 (959 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
From one SQ owner to another CONGRATS!!!!

1. I cannot believe how high the factory set water level is!!!! AMAZING
2. Love the new fill flume!
3. I noticed the tub did NOT index, being brand new!!!
4. I WANT ONE AND I WANT ONE NOW!!!!
5. BEST OF LUCK

Sincerely,
Mike


Post# 817359 , Reply# 43   4/3/2015 at 21:00 (959 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
Mike

I was personally so relieved to find that this machine has a high water level from the factory, and a good thing too because the pressure switch is not adjustable!

That new fill flume is supposed to aid in the spray rinse I guess, it does appear to be far more effective then the old waterfall at that.

I'm surprised at how little it indexes! It may also be cuz It's had 10 loads run through it already, but it didn't index a whole lot from the beginning.

I've wanted a SQ for 8 years now, being able to put that desire to rest has made me so happy.


Post# 817386 , Reply# 44   4/4/2015 at 01:42 (958 days old) by Paulinroyton (B)        
Gusherb

Hi Gusherb.

Congratulations on buying your new Speed Queen top loader. She looks beautiful and a sold machine. I have always had a fascination with American top loaders and recently I bought one from a house clearance. The machine was brand new, still had shipping brackets in place. My other half re arrange the laundry room so it would fit, we converted the garage into a laundry room and gym.

Prior to buying my LG washers I nearly bought a Speed Queen top loader. In the UK they are commercial machines used for hotels , guest houses.

More videos please.

Regards.

Paul


Post# 817430 , Reply# 45   4/4/2015 at 10:18 (958 days old) by mwb (Missouri)        

While I'm a big fan of Speed Queen, they really missed the mark with their "spray rinse" design. As it appears that the tub leans to the right, the spray from the fill flume never comes into contact with the clothes, only the bottom of the tub. I'm thinking a redesign is in order. The flume should be directly mounted to the tub as opposed to the cabinet.


Post# 817432 , Reply# 46   4/4/2015 at 10:43 (958 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Absolutely. It really looks like the spray would only hit the bottom of the tub and maybe half way up the tub. The spray would be okay if the machine did a neutral drain with the clothes laying on the bottom of the tub before spinning. I would have liked to see the load go through a deep rinse to see whether there were still suds left.

Post# 817434 , Reply# 47   4/4/2015 at 10:50 (958 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Could you start the cycle on Heavy Duty for example to just fill the tub and then switch to Normal Eco to get the rinse sequence? This would give you the option to fiddle around with the rinsing sequence of the Normal Eco cycle with pretty much any load.

Post# 817449 , Reply# 48   4/4/2015 at 13:59 (958 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        
Shower Rinsing

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F&P's shower rinse option is much more effective.† The fill flume nozzle has perforations which aim the spray in various directions, some of which are toward the basket and top of the clothes pack.† Rotation drops to 25 RPM during saturation sprays so the load is thoroughly soaked.† The volume of water and number of saturations varies per the load size.† I ran a large load of jeans a couple weeks ago using the shower rinse option, there were three saturation spray periods.


Post# 817478 , Reply# 49   4/4/2015 at 17:11 (958 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

While starting a load I tried to change it from Heavy Duty to Normal Eco while it was still filling and it wouldn't let me. They expect you to have the detergent and load in before even thinking about turning the machine on, and then just walking away from it. The only thing it would let me change during the wash portion of the cycle is turning on the extra rinse option.

One thing I do like is you don't have to start a cycle and let it run through for it to remember your settings, you can set it, walk away and go to turn it on later and those settings will still be there. (good if you wanna leave it a certain way for someone else who may not know WTH they're doing)

I agree, the new fill flume design doesn't do that great a job at the spray rinse. I actually think the old design was better, because while it was spinning the water would wrap around the agitator and hit all the clothes from top to bottom as large droplets.

I honestly don't think Alliance designed the NE option for anything but to satisfy DOE regulations and figure that only novices will use it, the kind that wouldn't notice the poor effectiveness anyway. (and they assume that those people wouldn't buy a SQ in the first place) I'm guessing.


Post# 817488 , Reply# 50   4/4/2015 at 18:41 (958 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I had a Frigidaire Immersion Care washer and the spray rinses looked far more effective.

SQ should switch to a neutral drain, spin the tub very slowly during the spray, ramp it up to around 150 rpm to draw the water out of the clothes, then repeat.

The spin-drain, with the clothes already plastered to the side of the tub during the spray rinses, is the problem.


Post# 817493 , Reply# 51   4/4/2015 at 18:54 (958 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        
Fail Speed Queen project

The rinse spray of Speed Queen is very inefficient. My LG Waveforce is also very efficient to rinse the clothes with spray. I can not stop seeing a lazy work on the project this rinse in SQ, I feel that this brand wants to be eternally antiquated conservatives for consumers who like to spend a river of water to wash a single load of laundry.

Post# 817497 , Reply# 52   4/4/2015 at 19:26 (958 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Spin Rinse Systems In Top Load Washers

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I will reserve judgement on SQs new spin rinse system till I have more experience with it, but as I have said before it is a shame WP tied up the patents on the recirculated spin rinse system they used on their Resource Saver TL washers they made in the late 90s. The RS rinse system was by far the most effective rinsing I have ever seen in  TL washer, I would say it was nearly as effective as TWO DEEP RINSES while only using about 1/4 of the water of TDRs. F&Ps spray rinse is also fairly effective but does not adjust for load size like WPs rinse system and wastes more water.

 

Eugene you are correct that SQ should go to Neutral Drain, they also need larger [ and more ] holes in the bottom of heir tub in TL washers. Because of the lack of holes in the basket even if the spray rinse missises the clothing on the sides of the tub the water will mostly spin up through the clothing anyway, possible problem is the sediment in the bottom of the wash basket will also wash up and be deposited in the clean laundry.

 

PS Scott, you are going to love your new SQ Front Load Washer, there is no better, more durable washer built for home use, the SQ FL washer is the real deal, it is literately the last washer most Americans will need if you are over 35 or 40 years old.


Post# 817529 , Reply# 53   4/5/2015 at 01:33 (957 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

So I'm looking to eventually get the matching Speed Queen dryer, the only way to vent out of the closet is down through the floor with the dryer in a bottom-center venting configuration. Our Raytheon Amana dryer had the knockout in the cabinet for this and was configured that way, do the new SQ's still have that configuration option?

And if i decide instead to get a Kenmore/Whirlpool dryer with the lint filter on the top (I love the drying results from those, a good bit better then the SQ IMO) are they configurable for bottom-center venting too?


Post# 817532 , Reply# 54   4/5/2015 at 01:43 (957 days old) by Murando531 (Huntsville, AL)        

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I love F&P's spray rinses, and I was disappointed to learn that the Oasis doesn't perform the same way, at least not in the recent models. The F&P's have that beautiful spray pattern from the flume, and a few jets even hit the top rim of the tub to rinse down any residue, I assume. What I think makes it effective are the quick spins it does between the sprays. The Bravos will drizzle water, which isn't as broad reaching, for a few seconds, then simply drain for a few secs, and repeat. Then it will proceed to the deeper fill if selected.

With the default "water save spray rinse" it will use the recirculator, but not for very long. I would only trust it with very lightly soiled loads anyway, because I'd need to use the minimal amount of detergent for the spray rinse to be effective.


Post# 817542 , Reply# 55   4/5/2015 at 05:27 (957 days old) by washer111 ()        

Slowing down for a spin rinse is not something I'm a fan of.
Our previous Simpson TL did this, as well as a very slow initial spin after pumping out, and pumping at a standstill for several minutes. It would slow down (slowly, without use of any tub brake), spray the water, which usually landed in the bottom of the tub, not on the clothes (unless you stopped and redistributed them), then faff around for another couple of minutes trying to get back into the spin routine.

The last 3-4 rinses it actually powered up very quickly, and made a nice sound. But the first 3-4 were "tedious," to say the least.

We ended up just defaulting to a single deep rinse, instead of the 7-sprays programme it had. The deep rinse was far more effective, even if it did use more water.


Post# 817554 , Reply# 56   4/5/2015 at 08:13 (957 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Normal ECO

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In my mind, this program is for lightly soiled cotton garment that may simply need a freshening up rather than a full blown wash and rinse. Using an HE detergent in this cycle is going to seriously dilute it down from the start. Not leaving much to be rinsed out in the end.

Still, I am also curious as to what a second rinse added to this program would reveal in sudsiness. It might also be interesting to run a cycle at each load setting to see if the spray sessions vary in any way. Also interesting to note, the first spray rinse is included as part of the end of the wash phase. It isn't until the first spin pause that we advance into the rinse session.

Additionally, in warmer climates, the ECO wash temp would be warmer than in Northern Wintery conditions.

Malcolm


Post# 817563 , Reply# 57   4/5/2015 at 08:54 (957 days old) by Combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Whirlpools resource saver spin rinse system

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On whirlpool system they used six recirculated spray rinses all at the highest spin speed.

It is always hard to test rinsing effectiveness but I know you could use a cup of liquid chlorine bleach and could smell nothing at the end of the cycle so I think it was pretty effective,definitely more effective than one deep rinse that's for sure.


Post# 817662 , Reply# 58   4/5/2015 at 20:56 (957 days old) by stchuck (saint charles, il)        
I am hoping the front load set is the last one I ever need

I have gone through quite a few sets of front load washers, the best so far being an Electrolux set but there are facets of those machines that I am less than impressed with. I do like that you can choose to add extra water. My only concern the new set ( and not speed queen in general but any manufacturer) is that they will use such little water. I miss the good ol' days when water would slosh around in a front load machine.

Since I am quite a bit past 35 or 40, with a little luck these will take me through until I can no longer remember how to actually use them ;)


Post# 817736 , Reply# 59   4/6/2015 at 11:19 (956 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Spray - Rinse

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I have watched the Normal-ECO video a few times now. I think that if they modified the fill flume and put it back on the tub ring/splash guard. Maybe two ports and the 10 and 2 o'clock positions spraying in a fan pattern it might be better.

It would also not bother me to have the aerated fill back either :D

Malcolm


Post# 817759 , Reply# 60   4/6/2015 at 13:49 (956 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

Look how efficient is the spray from LG top load washer.






Post# 817790 , Reply# 61   4/6/2015 at 17:20 (956 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

For those who asked; my machines control board was made in Mexico...

Post# 818181 , Reply# 62   4/9/2015 at 00:32 (953 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
One week review...

The cleaning results thus far are fantastic! I initially had some reservations about going back to a top loader because of what I thought would be reduced cleaning ability compared to the FL, but that is so far proven to be a myth (at least in my case).

In that first video I posted, the load I washed was actually a drawer full of summer shirts that had been sitting in my dresser drawer since at least November and they get very stale and stinky when sitting that long.
With the Samsungtag it was always a chore to get that stench out, even with a prewash, extra long main wash, and three rinses, the stale dresser odor would still linger afterwards. With the SQ, in that single cycle you all saw the smell was GONE! I couldn't believe it!

Also with bedding the FL was again challenged at getting the BO out of the pillow cases (in particular) and would require extra time in the machine. The SQ has again managed to make them smell fresh in just 44 minutes! (I use the extra rinse for sheets).

I did a load of white towels yesterday, some of which had some stubborn makeup stains which again in the old machine would require some pretreating to get out, came out with no effort in the SQ. All I did was run a hot cycle with OxiClean, and Tide like I always did in the FL (with no pretreating).




Having the quick cycle times back again has also proven to be a great thing, prior to having a FL this was always taken for granted and now I couldn't be happier to have a machine that can blast through a mountain of laundry in record time.
The three loads a week I do that used to take me a whole day (partly because I'd walk away and forget about the load for the better part of the day because it took forever) now only takes me 2 hours from start to pulling the last load out of the dryer.

Seriously, the next time I go on a washing spree I may kiss the thing! The washing spree I went on last month, the day the entire family was to arrive, had me on pins and needles as the clock was running out and the Samsungtag was taking forever.



So far this machine has exceeded even my wildest expectations! Now lets just hope those electronics live up to their claimed 25 yr lifespan...


Post# 818209 , Reply# 63   4/9/2015 at 06:24 (953 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Question...

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The manual indicates that you can select the RINSE/SPIN cycle and add options to it, like PREWASH and/or SECOND RINSE. Is this indeed possible?

Just curious...

Malcolm


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Post# 818264 , Reply# 64   4/9/2015 at 11:56 (953 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
That is correct

And I'm not sure what you'd do with a prewash in a rinse cycle, I'm guessing they left that as an option so you can get a third rinse without manually intervening, or to have some sort of a "quick" wash (as though anyone would need anything faster then 27 minutes lol)

Post# 818278 , Reply# 65   4/9/2015 at 13:12 (953 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
I Suppose...

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you could combine a Pre-Wash with a Spin ONLY to get a standalone hot/warm rinse.

Malcolm


Post# 818286 , Reply# 66   4/9/2015 at 14:01 (953 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I still have yet to see if the prewash will use the temp you set or treat it like a rinse and only use cold.

One thing I'm curious about but have no desire to start tearing Into the machine for is if there is any way to rewire these machines to give a warm, or optional warm rinse. I would LOVE to get my hands on a service manual as the circuit board does have a row of dip switches on it...


Post# 818666 , Reply# 67   4/10/2015 at 23:56 (951 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I love that machine. I've watched your videos as well as the ones from Speed Queen and I definitely want to get one. One last question that hasn't been addressed yet, is can you change the water temp once you start the machine? I'm going to assume that you can but just wondered. I like to start the machine on hot for a few inches then switch to warm so its a warmer warm temp than the 50/50 mix.

Post# 818669 , Reply# 68   4/11/2015 at 00:21 (951 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
Yes you can

I just learned yesterday that the power button doubles as a cancel button, even though it says so right on the panel... Lol

The first couple of minutes after it's started it will let you adjust anything, once it's locked Into what you set it for you can just hit cancel to reset it and start over. And no this will not make it drain and do the whole thing all over again lol. Hitting cancel is equivalent to turning the dial around again.


Post# 822984 , Reply# 69   5/11/2015 at 19:43 (921 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Booooo hiissssssss

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"For those who asked; my machines control board was made in Mexico..."


Ugh.

Better than China though. But not by much.


Post# 823051 , Reply# 70   5/12/2015 at 08:43 (920 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Weren't the timers made in Mexico as well?

Post# 823067 , Reply# 71   5/12/2015 at 11:14 (920 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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Yes. The timers (manual) are made in Mexico--several parts are on the SQ...they are mostly assembled in the USA.

Post# 823071 , Reply# 72   5/12/2015 at 11:53 (920 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

At least it's all made in North America! Can't say that for most of everything out there.

Post# 823121 , Reply# 73   5/12/2015 at 18:24 (920 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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To some degree, trying to discern the quality of a component based on country of origin is deeply flawed. There are high quality and low quality goods produced in every country. The ultimate quality all depends on who the manufacturer chose to supply a component, the specs they required and the amount of money they were willing to pay. Hopefully Speed Queen didn't buy crap.

The whole line of reasoning to me is just like how people buy modern kitchen appliances. As long as its stainless steel it doesn't matter who made it...


Post# 823483 , Reply# 74   5/15/2015 at 01:30 (917 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I bought a brand new Speed Queen also, purchased last month. Model is AWN432, with the regular control knobs, which is what I wanted. (My last washer, Kenmore with the cork screw agitator, caught fire one night. It went into the spin mode and the tub froze up but the motor kept running and smoke was pouring out of it. Needless to say I was done with it. Fire alarms were going off in the house. Washer was only about 6 years old.)

I LOVE THE NEW SPEED QUEEN. I agree with most of the comments above. I'm glad to be rid of the neutral drain though, my whites are incredibly white now. Stains that I had given up on are gone, and I don't use Tide. It washes fast. 3 loads are done in about 2 hours, taking the last load of clothes out of the dryer. Gusherb hit the nail on the head, it's an incredible machine. I wish though, it was a little quieter but when its running it sounds like it means business, and it does!!! But since the cycle times are quick, it doesn't last long. I think I can get a big load done in about 24 minutes or so, normal cycle short wash. Hot water is HOT. I do wish the water would fill as I'm loading it though, but that is minor that you have to keep the lid down. It rinses amazingly well, even without the 2nd rinse option, providing you don't dump a ton of soap in it. (Speed Queen recommends using HE detergents, but most detergents now come only in HE anyway so that's not an issue.) The 210 arc agitation is the best.
Again, I can't believe how clean my clothes look. Best washer our family has EVER had, HANDS DOWN.

I paid $919.04 with tax PLUS a delivery charge $79.56 in that I lived outside the delivery area. When they hauled off the Kenmore I did the Snoopy Happy Dance. I don't look at it as an expense, I see it as an investment. The salesman told me it would probably, in all likelihood, be the last machine I'll buy. Oh and the warranty is included in the price, and its very good.

We took a friend of ours with us when I bought it and she was so impressed with it she bought both the washer and dryer. So the independent dealer made quite a haul when we walked in.



I care for an elderly parent, so water usage and quick cycle times are very important to me. I don't have 2 hours per load for a front loader that uses 9 gallons total water for a cycle, sorry that isn't happening. I like to get done and have some, at least a little, free time at the end of the day, and I also work full time. The salesman said it uses the water, and HOW!!! He also said these were the last that they were manufacturing, and didn't plan on restocking anymore so I felt most lucky and fortunate that the Kenmore died when it did, no tears here.

All in all, the salesman said "its the Mercedes Benz of washers" and I believe it is. I'm SOLD.

Barry


Post# 823490 , Reply# 75   5/15/2015 at 03:46 (917 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Water Usage

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Is probably on par with your old Kenmore, so I wouldn't be concerned with that at all.

Malcolm


Post# 823556 , Reply# 76   5/15/2015 at 13:14 (917 days old) by TulsaTwinmom (Tulsa, OK)        
Bypass lid switch AWNE92

Hello, I just bought the new electronic control panel 9 cycle unit, AWNE92, and thanks to this website was able to do the clothespin trick to keep the lid open during fill. So simple - thanks!

One thing I'll note, is I thought I'd read or was told by the salesperson that the ECO cycle is completely cold water. In actuality, it appears to start off as warm, and then switches to just cold, so I guess the end result is a "cool" wash.


Post# 824262 , Reply# 77   5/19/2015 at 23:22 (912 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        



That plastic cover around the capacitor on the left of the motor has caused some buzzing sounds partway through the wash cycle and partway into the spin cycle. I've also had a funny knocking sort of sound in low speed spin with a full load. Not sure what the latter one is nor do I know if I should be alarmed or not, it has only done it maybe twice when filled to the top and packed with clothes (not overloaded, still room for turnover)

Outside of some mostly superficial noises I'm still very happy with my SQ.


Post# 824283 , Reply# 78   5/20/2015 at 06:07 (912 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
Beautiful machine

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Congratulations, that is a fine looking, well made machine, hope it exceeds your expectations.
We can buy them here in Australia too, however at around $2,300 AU dollars,they really are cost prohibitive for most people I'm afraid,.
Most people I know would baulk at paying that much for a washer,mind you they would not think that if it lasted 15-20 years then it would actually pay for itself over a lifetime.
Happy Washing.
Steve.


Post# 824308 , Reply# 79   5/20/2015 at 10:42 (912 days old) by maylingsmom (deep south)        

I bought the awn432 on 3/31/15. I had a GE Adora that was only about 2 1/2 years old and the bearing and transmission went out. My husband said for me to get what I wanted. After tons of research including reading posts here and reading other forums and watching every video I could find on Youtube, I decided on Speed Queen. I love it. I bought it knowing there were things some people didn't like (water usage and no high speed spin for instance). The only thing I liked about the GE was the high speed spin so I am learning to do without that. My husband did the clothespin thing and I'm glad he did. I have had to adjust my detergent. I watch to make sure I have put enough detergent in (I have to use less in this machine). The GE just barely agitated so I was using more detergent and only getting a few sudsy bubbles. Anyway, I love it. It reminds me of the Maytag I had before I got the GE. May sound silly to some of you, but I love the sound the lid makes when I close it. No I don't slam it, but it makes the sound like the Maytag --- just sturdy I guess ;)

Post# 824335 , Reply# 80   5/20/2015 at 14:19 (912 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
maylingsmom

I know what you mean, the lid has those nice rubber bumpers on it that makes a nice solid thunk off the sturdy steel cabinet.

Post# 828930 , Reply# 81   6/21/2015 at 18:07 (880 days old) by bobcurley (California)        
Pre-Wash

Pre-Wash only adds 4 minutes to the cycle, according to the OP. After the 4-minute pre-wash, does the machine stop and wait for you to add detergent for the main wash cycle? Do you then press the green button on the right to begin the main wash?

Does anyone know how this compares with Pre-Wash on the knob-controlled SQ TL's? Do they also stop at the end of Pre-Wash? If so, how do you get them to proceed to the main wash?

(This is one of my considerations in deciding between the knob and electronic versions.)

Thanks!


Post# 828932 , Reply# 82   6/21/2015 at 18:28 (880 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        

On the AWN542 they tell you to add detergent to the fabric softener dispenser (liquid). Although I've never done that and if I did I would only use a full tub of water to thoroughly clean the inside of the agitator.  After the cycle completes they recommend cleaning the fabric softener dispenser completely.

 

What I liked about older belt drive Whirlpools is that the super wash did a partial drain before proceeding to the main wash.  They recommended (IIRC) 1.5X the amount of detergent used at the beginning of the cycle. That won't work with the speedqueen because they do a full drain. :-(

 

 


Post# 828943 , Reply# 83   6/21/2015 at 21:12 (880 days old) by Mtn1584 (USA)        
On the AWN 542

Pre wash automatically advances to the wash cycle. Fill agitate, drain spin and refill for main wash cycle.

Post# 828965 , Reply# 84   6/22/2015 at 01:01 (879 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

On the AWNE82 Prewash will advance to the main wash cycle as well, UNLESS you select a spin-only with a prewash.

Actually that hadn't occurred to me how that cycle selection would be useful until this writing, realizing the usefulness in having the washer stop so you can put the detergent in (and not have to stand there watching, waiting to add it)


Post# 828982 , Reply# 85   6/22/2015 at 04:08 (879 days old) by bobcurley (California)        

@gusherb: That's a great solution! Does it actually work? It seems counter-intuitive that you can add Prewash to a Spin-only cycle.


@Mtn1584 and Imperial70: The Soak cycle on your machines, absent from the 82, seems to do what I had in mind ó after agitation, soak and spin, the Soak cycle completely terminates so you can add a 2nd dose of detergent and then start your desired main wash cycle.


Post# 829020 , Reply# 86   6/22/2015 at 13:15 (879 days old) by Mtn1584 (USA)        
Love my SQ

Go online and read customer reviews of these washers on ANY website they are overwhelmingly 4 to 5 star reviews. I bought mine six years ago, bought one for my mom, and my brother bought a set too. All the AWN 542 with matching dryer!

Post# 829046 , Reply# 87   6/22/2015 at 16:49 (879 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
Bobcurley

Yes it does. Whatever cycle combination the control panel allows you to select is exactly what you get. There is absolutely no trickery in the programming with these machines.

Post# 829133 , Reply# 88   6/23/2015 at 03:46 (878 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)        
Welcome to the Familly!!

I am so happy to see you invested in a Speed Queen. :D Truly the best modern washer in existence. Ive had a mechanical AWN412 Speed Queen for about 2 years now, best decision I ever made. My only regrets is not buying one earlier.


I am not to thrilled about what looks like 2 separate circuit boards, or electronic controls, but knowing Speed Queen I think it will be as dependable as most other electro mechanical models.


I also want to ask, can the water level be adjusted? I personally think Speed Queen should have gone with a pressure switch that could be adjusted via screw. Can the transducer be adjusted?


Post# 830004 , Reply# 89   6/29/2015 at 03:36 (872 days old) by bobcurley (California)        
LOUD Pumping (Draining)

Thanks to Gusherb and the other valuable contributors here, I took delivery of a AWNE92 on Friday.

I suspect I have a defect, and I'd appreciate some feedback:

Whenever it is pumping (draining), it makes a loud, deep (low pitch) sound like a stalled motor. However, it actually is pumping out the water at a fast rate. The sound during pumping is at least twice as loud as the sound during any other activity, including spin. It agitates and spins normally, and spin is quite fast.

combo52 (reply #12 above) said the motor is under heavy load at the beginning of each drain operation because it also is spinning a full tub of water. However, listening to Gusherb's two videos, I don't think my machine is normal. Any comments?

(One user on the Consumer Reports website had an incorrectly installed lint filter, but I don't know whether that is in the pumping path, and that person didn't report any noise.)


Post# 830025 , Reply# 90   6/29/2015 at 10:11 (872 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Low Speed?

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I believe the first spin in all cycles is at low speed.
Perhaps that is the difference in the motor noise?

The only way to know for sure is the record a video and post it for the group.

Malcolm


Post# 830054 , Reply# 91   6/29/2015 at 14:51 (872 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I used the slow spin speed frequently on my 2014 SQ and it didn't make any odd sounds. It did, however, make the sound of a can of pennies being shaken when set to slow agitation from time-to-time.

Have it looked at. It's under warranty.


Post# 830091 , Reply# 92   6/29/2015 at 21:02 (872 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

The first spin is always low speed and it does have a very deep pitch that resonates through everything. Depending on where I'm standing in the kitchen or family room it can come off as overpoweringly loud when it first starts. I have to listen again but it's possible my videos haven't portrayed this accurately. Bob, could you possibly post a video of yours?

Post# 830188 , Reply# 93   6/30/2015 at 16:52 (871 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Normal operating sounds..............

that sound the pump is making is normal, is the machine functioning properly? Then the noise is normal, also these machines do NOT have a lint filter. The pump is attached to the bottom of the motor and the drain hose is attached to it, there is nothing in the way of the pump.
Mike


Post# 830228 , Reply# 94   7/1/2015 at 00:50 (870 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I'm curious if having some knocking sounds during spin is anything to worry about. My machine has been developing some noises like that lately.

Post# 830249 , Reply# 95   7/1/2015 at 08:36 (870 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
THE SOUNDS OF new SQ TL WASHERS

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These are heavy well built washers BUT are a fairly crude older style construction. I completely agree with Mike, if the machine is working well there is most likely nothing wrong with it, and while you have a great warranty calling for service and having someone come out and start messing with the washer is not a good idea in my experience it can easily do more harm than good. [ and you will just drive everyone nuts in the process, and accomplish nothing ] LOL.

 

If you want quieter operation you probably should have gotten the FL SQ however you can sound insulate the SQ TLer if you wish,  Jason and I made my Frigidaire 1-18 nearly silent by adding a lot of sound proofing insulation to it.


Post# 830250 , Reply# 96   7/1/2015 at 08:37 (870 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
THE SOUNDS OF new SQ TL WASHERS

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These are heavy well built washers BUT are a fairly crude older style construction. I completely agree with Mike, if the machine is working well there is most likely nothing wrong with it, and while you have a great warranty calling for service and having someone come out and start messing with the washer is not a good idea in my experience it can easily do more harm than good. [ and you will just drive everyone nuts in the process, and accomplish nothing ] LOL.

 

If you want quieter operation you probably should have gotten the FL SQ however you can sound insulate the SQ TLer if you wish,  Jason and I made my Frigidaire 1-18 nearly silent by adding a lot of sound proofing insulation to it.


Post# 830406 , Reply# 97   7/2/2015 at 03:44 (869 days old) by bobcurley (California)        

gusherb said: "The first spin is always low speed and it does have a very deep pitch that resonates through everything. Depending on where I'm standing in the kitchen or family room it can come off as overpoweringly loud when it first starts."

That perfectly describes my machine, so I suspect it is normal. The "resonates" part is what worried me that something was abnormal!

I made the following videos with an iPhone 5s, and but its microphone steeply rolls off the bass below 250 Hz, so it cannot portray the true sound unless you boost the bass during playback:

#1: Agitation, full tub of water only (no clothes); looks & sounds completely normal:

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3641...

#2: Final Drain & Spin with loud, deep, sound until water completely discharged at 1m18s. Spin is slow before that time, but then gets quite fast, evidencing that motor and belt are good:

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3641...

I ran the audio from video #2 through a spectrum analyzer. It shows a huge peak at 120 Hz, which implies the deep noise is vibration from the motor. Screenshots are below. Photo 1 is the average spectrum between the 2 and 76 seconds points in video #2, while water is being pumped out. Photo 2 is the average between the 90 and 120 seconds points, during fast spin.


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Post# 830408 , Reply# 98   7/2/2015 at 04:15 (869 days old) by bobcurley (California)        

p.s. ó The intention of my post was not to complain about the sound, but to verify that my machine is not defective.

Just to be "safe", when I get some free time in a few days I probably will remove and inspect the pump. I already ordered a replacement "heavy duty" version of the pump. Interestingly, the standard pump is only $14, while the heavy duty version is $40 from PWS Laundry.


Post# 830411 , Reply# 99   7/2/2015 at 04:54 (869 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)        
Nosie

These washers are very well built, and like all older well designed machines there will be some noise. Interestingly my machine would squeak in the wash and rinse when filled all the way up. The tub would tilt forward and rub against the foam piece in front making a distinct squeak like sneakers on a wet floor. It went away after about 3 months.

There was the occasional grind from the gear case but it went away. The motor is nosier and does vibrate on slow, but not by much.

Personally, or maybe Ive just been blessed with a quiet machine, Speed Queen washers are overall are quiet. I think people are just overly concerned (which is ok). Ive dealt with far worse, GE sounded like it was going to bring the house down. Whirlpool would off balance easily, and there was that loud bang going into spin.

An interesting note Ive noticed that my tub does lean more than other machines, but so far nothing. It could be each washer has its own unique quirks. In any case we should be blessed, far worse washers are being sold on all levels. Not that Speed Queen is bad in any way, they rival older, coveted time tested designs.


Post# 830413 , Reply# 100   7/2/2015 at 05:15 (869 days old) by bobcurley (California)        

gusherb said: "I'm curious if having some knocking sounds during spin is anything to worry about. My machine has been developing some noises like that lately."

The last 50 seconds of my video #2 has a chugging sound about once per second. Is that what you hear? I can't imagine what it is. In my case the chugging is not caused by unbalanced clothes because the tub only had water to begin with! The tub is 99% empty by that point in the video.


Post# 830446 , Reply# 101   7/2/2015 at 09:38 (869 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Heavy Duty Pump?

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Please post your thoughts and perhaps pix of the two different pumps when your HDP arrives. I am interested in the differences between the two...

Malcolm


Post# 830456 , Reply# 102   7/2/2015 at 11:42 (869 days old) by mr_b (San Diego, CA)        
Go to a Landromat and See

bobcurley = As a suggestion, find a Laundromat that has your style TL Speed Queen and listen to it. This may answer you question about what constitutes normal. If you live in the San Diego area there is an excellent fairly new all Speed Queen Laundromat is Serra Mesa.

Post# 830465 , Reply# 103   7/2/2015 at 12:41 (869 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Pump-Less

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You could always disconnect the pump from the motor then run a spin and see if the noise is gone.

Malcolm


Post# 830503 , Reply# 104   7/2/2015 at 15:46 (869 days old) by bobcurley (California)        

Can the pump be removed without removing the motor by simply removing the three mounting clips? I doubt it; there is not much clearance between the pump and the bottom panel, so I probably cannot drop the pump far enough to disengage it from the motor shaft.

Post# 830526 , Reply# 105   7/2/2015 at 19:02 (869 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
SQ TL Washer Pumps

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The water pump can be removed and replaced with the motor in place [ we do several times every week ]. It is not all that easy to reinstall the clips however with the motor in place. By far the worst thing about the current SQ TL washers is the lack of a neutral drain and a separate electric drain pump. The current design is a waste of electricity, hell on belt life and the spin drain leaves much more lint and grit in the clean laundry and causes about 1/2 all the service calls we are running on these washers. SQ could save a lot of money on warranty calls if they would spend another $5 on an electric pump.

 

[ We are now carrying transmission drive pulleys in our trucks because they melt when something gets caught in these washers because it gets thrown over the wash basket during the stupid SPIN DRAIN, of course this also destroys the belt and drain pump every time it happens as well]

 

I don't think that changing the water pump to the SO CALLED heavy duty one will make any difference in the sound level, the pump makes very little noise.


Post# 830533 , Reply# 106   7/2/2015 at 20:07 (869 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
Was reading an older issue of CR

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They really didn't like SQ top loaders, any particular reason why?



Post# 830546 , Reply# 107   7/3/2015 at 01:11 (868 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Years ago we had a Raytheon Amana. It had a strange vibration on low speed spin that came from the drain hose.  There was a section of plastic hose after the pump to the drain hose that was secured to the floor of the machine.  The vibration I heard was solved by wedging a tiny piece of foam weather strip between the plastic tab on the hose that held it to the metal floor plate. I wonder if the drain hose is still secured to the baseplate with the plastic tab on the new SQ's?


Post# 830553 , Reply# 108   7/3/2015 at 04:05 (868 days old) by bobcurley (California)        
Repair Videos, Diagrams & Parts

LWNE52SP is the commercial equivalent of the AWNE82SP.

To get the Parts Manual, which has exploded views of each subassembly and part numbers, enter LWNE52SP in the search field here:
www.speedqueencommercial.com/opl/...

Repair videos:
www.pwslaundry.com/pt-3270-how-to...


Post# 830564 , Reply# 109   7/3/2015 at 07:17 (868 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
CRs Didn't Really Like SQ TL Washers

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What is the age of the issue you were reading ?


Post# 830603 , Reply# 110   7/3/2015 at 16:01 (868 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
2013

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Low scoring top-loaders:
Speed Queen AWN542, $800
Maytag Centennial MVWC300V, $430
Kenmore 2125, $520
Whirlpool WTW4950, $600

"...these washers either didn't clean well, were inefficient, or both".
"... all these models had overall scores of 40 or lower....




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Post# 830612 , Reply# 111   7/3/2015 at 16:49 (868 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        
Bob

That chugging is the sound of the pump cavitating. That's actually one of the sounds I love about my SQ (though it doesn't do it once per second, probably cuz yours was empty). Mines more of a rattle or knock, started doing it in low speed spin at first and now it does it throughout high speed spin too.

Post# 830614 , Reply# 112   7/3/2015 at 17:19 (868 days old) by cuffs054 (GA)        

So, a low score is good right? Just like golf...

Post# 830621 , Reply# 113   7/3/2015 at 19:22 (868 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Wonder what kind of H2Oh! Cr uses

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My SQ cleans just fine thank you.

And it does not take half a day to do it.

Nor has it ever needed "cleaned" with extra cost "cleaners".

Long live the SQ!


Post# 830625 , Reply# 114   7/3/2015 at 20:10 (868 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"My SQ cleans just fine thank you.

And it does not take half a day to do it.

Nor has it ever needed "cleaned" with extra cost "cleaners".

Long live the SQ!"

Ditto!


Post# 830647 , Reply# 115   7/3/2015 at 23:31 (867 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

"My SQ cleans just fine thank you.

And it does not take half a day to do it.

Nor has it ever needed "cleaned" with extra cost "cleaners".

Long live the SQ!"

Ditto also.




Post# 830660 , Reply# 116   7/4/2015 at 09:10 (867 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
CRs Cleaning Tests

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CRs has fairly soft water in their area, they generally use the warm setting which is pretty cool in SQ TL washers, I also believe they don't adjust the amount of detergent up for high water use machines, so a SQ or other water hog machines will not do well compared to HE machines when it comes to removing tough stains and other dirt.

 

I have long said that the ONLY way I will use a conventional TL washer is if I can reuse the wash water because they need a very large amount of hot water and detergent bleach etc to do a decent job and they are just too expensive to use if you do not reuse the wash water.


Post# 830665 , Reply# 117   7/4/2015 at 10:18 (867 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Hear, hear! The reason for Speed Queen's low ranking by CR isn't because it's a poorly-made machine. It's because there's little chance a traditional top-loader will perform as well as an HE front-loader (or top-loader) given the parameters of their test in 75 degree water. An HE's detergent solution is 5-6 times more concentrated; the wash time is 2-4 times longer. All the water in the world isn't going to make up for the advantages an HE machine (especially a front-loader) has under those conditions.

CR also scores on water/energy efficiency and how much water is removed in the final spin (saving time/energy in the dryer). Those parameters make it difficult for the SQ top-loader to score well in their tests.


Post# 830696 , Reply# 118   7/4/2015 at 15:02 (867 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
He's gone folks

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Post# 830816 , Reply# 119   7/5/2015 at 10:42 (866 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

You are missing the point. People, like myself, who buy these washers, don't care about CR reviews. I know exactly what I have got. I've had it for almost 30 years now and am getting exactly what I want in a washing machine.

BTW, I have recently purchased Dynamo and Ajax HE liquid detergent and they seem to work pretty good so far. My washer is used in a real home setting to wash real clothes for real people - it just doesn't get any more real than that. I know, it's totally unreal.


Post# 830818 , Reply# 120   7/5/2015 at 10:55 (866 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Olav-- People who want a traditional top-loader will buy a Speed Queen regardless of anything CR says. I did! My intent was to explain why a washer beloved by so many scores so poorly in CR's tests. Some are bewildered by that, or think CR is falsifying test results. The explanation is actually quite logical.

 

Perhaps I should have put it this way: Many HE washers would score no better than the SQ top-loader in cleaning if the wash time was limited to 15 minutes, as is the SQ. A high efficiency washer's Normal cycle set at the heaviest soil wash time can tumble/agitate 2 or 3 times that long---sometimes with a soak period in the middle---in a super-concentrated detergent solution.




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Post# 830824 , Reply# 121   7/5/2015 at 11:23 (866 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
It just dosen't get any more real than that.

It does.

One could say as well that several million HE washers wash real peoples clothes in real peoples homes for real people.
A whole continent uses HE washers (or at least something about equivalent).
And sadly, water shortages can get real as well.


Post# 830829 , Reply# 122   7/5/2015 at 11:53 (866 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Doesn't CR rate performance based on the out-of-the-box, designated, default Normal cycle (that the typical non-discriminating consumer would use for 100% of his washing)?† Options to increase performance (longer wash times, pretreat, higher temperature, additional rinse, etc.) aren't factored into the equation (although they may be noted as available, yes?


Post# 830839 , Reply# 123   7/5/2015 at 12:44 (866 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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CR used to test that way, but now tests the Normal cycle with the heaviest soil/longest wash time selected.  This accounts for a lot of 90+ minute cycles.  As I recall, they decided to change protocol due to the heavily stained tests cloths they wash.  Most machines' default Normal cycles assume a light to moderately-soiled load.  No other options (higher temps, etc.) are used.

 

For instance...Frigidaire's top-loading Immersion Care has a default Normal cycle time of 50 minutes.  Choosing the heaviest soil option extends it to around 110-115 minutes, which is the time CR lists for the Immersion Care's complete cycle.

 

 


Post# 830859 , Reply# 124   7/5/2015 at 14:36 (866 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
I gave up on CR

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when they consistently trashed USA made cars all the while heaping tons of praise on anything with a Japanese nameplate. Then their reviews read like something out of a brochure rather than something that would actually TEACH the reader about the product.

Post# 830922 , Reply# 125   7/5/2015 at 22:48 (865 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Hi Eugene,

You are right and so is John, I didn't read your posts correctly the first time around.


Post# 830935 , Reply# 126   7/6/2015 at 02:12 (865 days old) by Chetlaham (United States)        

"The current design is a waste of electricity, hell on belt life and the spin drain leaves much more lint and grit in the clean laundry and causes about 1/2 all the service calls we are running on these washers. SQ could save a lot of money on warranty calls if they would spend another $5 on an electric pump."


I don't know why I see so much negativity in every post. Many older top load washer spun drain and it made little difference in life expectancy as that was factored into design. The belt is made to slip as was on older Maytags which lasted 30 years. I have seen basket drives fail to engage on 15 year old belt driven (wig-wag) whirlpools and clutches fail on newer top load GEs. Motor couplers breaking is as common for neutral drain whirlpools as are belts needing to be replaced. As I whole I think it makes no difference.

Even when neutral drain is employed these machines are energy hogs, that's the design. In fact a shaded pole drain motor is less efficient per watt relative to available output (shaft) power, and when both are running on an empty tub in theory you are drawing more power then having one do both.

From personnel experience I do not find spin drain washers to be worse at re-depositing dirt. If you look at older Maytag literature they even used it as a selling point. Granted Whirlpool said the opposite contradicting that, but using both styles have taught me its about the same. Perhaps a tad better for spin-drain, however in truth both designs use fabric as a strainer, there is no way around that.

As for a separate pumps Ill pass. Ive heard of them air locking on Frigidaire's, and Ive had them seize up on newer GEs.

Unless you are over loading the machine I cant see things being pushed up over into the outer tub. I guess it could be more likely with a spinning tub full of water, though has never been a problem for me.


I think Speed Queen is doing the right thing, and I don't think they would intentionally keep spin draining if it was that much of a problem.



Post# 830938 , Reply# 127   7/6/2015 at 04:34 (865 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        
Noisy Machines?

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God Damn it people. It's a machine! It's supposed to make noise. I notice most of you people that are talking about noise and taking noise measurements don't even list your age in your profile. Us in or 50's and 60's heard noise you couldn't even have imagined and we didn't complain. In fact we enjoyed it. It was part of the experience.

Old solid tub machines from the 50's and 60's made all kinds of noises. Bangin' solenoids, chuggin' pumps, rumbling motors that vibrated through the machine and into the room, splashing water as the tubs filled with water while the spin was slowing down, lids locking and unlocking, timers scritchin' water sloppin' over the side of the tub as the machine got up to speed.

You all should have been in a Speed Queen Laundromat back in those days. This stuff was going on all the time. No one cared. People just sat around and read newspapers and magazines. And ate candy bars and drank soda pop from the vending machines while setting in ice cold air from R-12 units cranking out cold air in the summertime. It was wonderful. In fact I would love to go back through time and experience that all over again. Quit worrying about a little bit of noise and think of it as part of the experience.


Post# 830939 , Reply# 128   7/6/2015 at 04:57 (865 days old) by bobcurley (California)        

@beekeyknee:

I am in my 60's!

 

Please see my reply #98:  "The intention of my post was not to complain about the sound, but to verify that my machine is not defective."

 

My previous machine, a 17-year old run-of-the-mill KitchenAid agitator top-load, did not have a loud drain pump like that, or any other sound remotely as loud, so I originally was concerned it was abnormal.


Post# 830940 , Reply# 129   7/6/2015 at 05:08 (865 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        

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Ok. Sorry, Bob. I didn't know your age and several others that were commenting don't have ages in there profiles either, so I assumed they were younger people. Wasn't trying to offend. I was trying to convey how much fun those machine sounds from that era were.

Post# 830954 , Reply# 130   7/6/2015 at 08:40 (865 days old) by sketteroo (Houston, Texas)        

Two months ago I traded in my 2006 WP Duet FL for a SQ TL, and I am so glad I did. The SQ rinses the load so much better. No more crispy towels. I wouldn't go back to a FL for anything.

Post# 831314 , Reply# 131   7/7/2015 at 23:43 (863 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I love all the quirky sounds my SQ makes except when plastic capacitor shields vibrate, or strange rattles appear during spin cycle.
There's lots of sounds that machine makes that might not seem normal but are, and don't bother me. Rattles and plastic chattering vibrations OTOH are annoying.

Oh and I've never heard a laundromat SQ TL make the rattle I'm hearing during spin on mine.


Post# 831800 , Reply# 132   7/11/2015 at 01:38 (860 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        

My 3 yr old AWN542 had a cabinet buzz occasionally when newer. Lately it makes a slight ''meow'' sound when washing ceases/pause for spin. Way less drama/racket than our DD Kenmore,more ''old school'' sounds.

Post# 832329 , Reply# 133   7/15/2015 at 02:37 (856 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

2 month update: I am thoroughly enjoying this thread and always look forward any new replies. Well, I've been using my new SQ for a couple of months now and my elation has subsided somewhat, guess the new is wearing off. Overall, it is a very nice machine and my clothes do look and feel better than the old machine that I replaced. I do appreciate the fast cycle times. On the flip side of the coin, I noticed the water level is not as high on my machine as some of the other posters has pointed out in their photos. I've attached a photo of a full load that I ran last week, it was in the rinse cycle. I can add more water if needed by hitting the reset switch but I don't like to do this as I feel it does add more wear and tear to the machine, (belts?). I noticed that when washing a completely full tub of clothes that I can smell a rubber burning type of odor. I suspect it is the belt, as "combo52" pointed out earlier, the smell is stronger on the spin/drain cycle. My water level comes just under the 1st hole in the agitator column, so I don't load clothes any higher. [I think for the money spent on this machine the capacity could be a little more, but SQ points out a couple of times in their manual not to overload.]
Right after I bought it, I did some extensive research on comments from service tech's and found conflicting comments and advice concerning usage of liquid vs. powder detergents. One service tech. recommended powders, as liquid detergents has a tendency to "gum up" the pumps on Speed Queens. Another tech. recommended liquid detergents, as powders were abrasive to the pumps. Since I spent so much money on the purchase, I want my machine to last trouble-free. So I called Speed Queen on day and inquired. The lady I talked to didn't recommend much, other than if liquids are used to do so "SPARINGLY," esp. non-HE liquids. So I suspect there may be something to the liquid issue. "Laundress" mentioned this in another thread, concerning overuse of liquids. So I'm going to switch to a powder for now, hopefully something that cleans well and doesn't fade colors, I bought "Cheer Color Guard" to use after I use up a bottle of liquid. The only thing I don't care for about Cheer is it suds horribly, so I'll use it "SPARINGLY" as well.
Like I said, overall SQ is a very good machine.
Any comments or observations would be appreciated.


Post# 832335 , Reply# 134   7/15/2015 at 03:39 (856 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Nearly everyone here raises the water level of their machine so it fills to the top row of holes in the tub. It's a simple adjustment; there are videos on YouTube showing how to do it. I had the installer raise mine when he delivered the washer. The extra few gallons of water won't hurt your machine.

As for detergents, use whichever type you prefer. Life is too short to lose sleep over it.

Not that anyone asked, but although my favorite Speed Queens are solid tub models from the early 1960s, the new machines turn over a load much more efficiently. I'm fond of the Surgilator-like agitator.




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Post# 832351 , Reply# 135   7/15/2015 at 07:24 (856 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ TL Washer

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Hi Barry, Glad you are enjoying your new washer, raising the WL on your machine should do little harm to your machine, although it does stress the belt a little longer as the machine struggles to pump out the water.

 

As far as different detergents go you can get great results with liquid or powders. The biggest problems we see with detergent usage in any washer is using too little for water conditions, water temperature and soil levels. As far as the washer is concerned it is almost imposable to use too much detergent. The ONLY way you could ever hurt this washer by using too much detergent would be if it was Suds-Locking as it tried to spin, this would be very hard on the belt etc.

 

The water pumps are very rugged on SQ TL Washers, they are designed to pump large quantities of sand, again the only real harm that can come to them relating to detergent usage would using too little detergent which could cause a seal failure.

 

We have seen several main seal failures on SQ TL washers that are still under warranty or just a year or two past warranty. In every case the customer is always using the 2nd rinse feature constantly. When you try to over rinse is less than completely soft water you leave mineral deposits behind that destroy the main water seal in this type of washer.

 

One of the beauties of WP built TL washers over the years is that their water seals were not directly exposed to water so they were never exposed to this type of damage.

 

John L.


Post# 832402 , Reply# 136   7/15/2015 at 14:47 (856 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Eugene and John, thank-you so much for your input. I'm using the 2nd rinse option less on this machine than I did on previous ones. It does rinse pretty good even when I may use more detergent than I should. We have very hard water here in south Texas (so far I've gone through 2 dishwashers in 17 years and I had an extremely bad calcium build up in the Maytag I had, in fact it ruined it). I'm wondering if a water softner additive would help? As for detergents I'm going to alternate I think since you both gave good replies. (I was impressed with Persil, though it's a bit pricy.)
Eugene, I like the agitator in the Speed Queen and, yes, it does remind me of the
surgilator. It cleans really good.
Well, I'm very embarrassed about the picture I took and posted, please find it in your hearts to forgive. Could not get it to post upright, but at 2:00am I quit trying to correct it. Tired. Lol.
Again, thank-you.


Post# 832430 , Reply# 137   7/15/2015 at 20:24 (856 days old) by maylingsmom (deep south)        

You can use a little 20 Mule Team Borax to soften the water.

Post# 838340 , Reply# 138   8/26/2015 at 10:39 (814 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)        
Override Fill on electronic controls?

Hello All! New member, on the fence about SQ with mostly good reviews out there with a very occasional horror story. Not that any brand is immune from this these days... Just hope not to be the "lucky" one that gets the bullet on the appliance Russian roulette game... Pretty sure I will be getting a SQ, but spending my time doing a bit more due diligence. I thank you all for the time you have put into providing prospective buyers and current owners support and information. Very valuable!

Question:
Do either of the current electronic control SQ's allow manual override of the water line? (i.e. AWNE92 or AWNE82). Such as with the "reset" button on the mechanical controls (on a cycle-by-cycle basis), or with some tweak on the back of the unit (on a semi-permanent basis)?

I ask since on Post# 832329, Reply# 133, mrsalvo (san marcos texas) mentioned his water line lowered over time (see above).

Are there any important considerations I should take into account when weighing the decision to go with the electronic vs mechanical controls, finances aside? (AWNE92/AWNE82 versus AWN432)

Apologies for my rudimentary descriptions as I am not yet familiar with all the technical lingo as I've only been researching for about a week now. Thanks very much in advance!


Post# 838367 , Reply# 139   8/26/2015 at 14:41 (814 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)        
Upadate...

...since the previous post I went out to a local SQ retailer to "kick the tires". They had a AWN542 on the floor, but I was very surprised to find that toward the bottom of the stainless steel drum it looked as if the metal was badly scratched, unfinished and rough all the way around the circumference. Photos attached. In fact, I asked the dealer to take a look at it and the salesman actually cut is finger while running it along the seam which was protruding and rough throughout the bottom of the center sheet of the drum.

Can anyone comment on whether there are such rough finishes on their units?

I asked the salesman to call me when they got more units in so I could determine if this was simply a specific unit problem or if there are such concerns across many units.


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Post# 838400 , Reply# 140   8/26/2015 at 19:20 (814 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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They all have the rough finish near the seam, but some are better (or worse) than others. The grooves on my AWN542 weren't as bad as the model on the showroom floor, which also had a warped lid. At any rate, I wasn't aware of any damage to fabrics with mine. I gave the washer to a friend with kids whose old top-loader bit the dust.

Personally, I'm a fan of electronic controls. Don't know if the fill can be adjusted on the electronic model. The resident SQ experts/enthusiasts can provide more information.




Post# 838413 , Reply# 141   8/26/2015 at 20:18 (814 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Due diligence is always the key

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by enthusiastically redefine reliable data, along with completely maintain flexible relationships, you will be able to authoritatively customize accurate convergence.

When you holistically develop client-focused core competencies, a Speed Queen makes all that much more sense even if this post doesn't.

Bottom line, get a Speed Queen and never look back.

As the man who owns one.


Post# 838425 , Reply# 142   8/26/2015 at 21:57 (814 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

As to the manual override for the fill, there is none. Also there is no way to tweak the pressure switch either. So far I've had no need for either of those things because the electronic models fill to the top row of holes anyway.

Post# 838442 , Reply# 143   8/27/2015 at 00:01 (813 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Bladeandstone,  Your picture of the "seam" is an accurate description/depiction of the washtub. Our old Amana machine I bought new over 17 years ago was the same.  The Amana also had one vertical weld in the perforated area. Not much has changed. This company has no intention of correcting that defect. To be fair I never had anything damaged.  Two men here so we never  have anything delicate and expensive to wash.  


Post# 838482 , Reply# 144   8/27/2015 at 08:09 (813 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London UK)        
Drum finish

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@Bladeandstone

Seems that you are not the only one to notice the scratching on the tub, if you follow the link and scroll down to replies 52 & 54


CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK


Post# 838487 , Reply# 145   8/27/2015 at 09:46 (813 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)        
New issue or longstanding?

Is this issue with the scratched tub a new issue? The post you linked to was this month...

Have longstanding SQ owners also experienced this?


Post# 838491 , Reply# 146   8/27/2015 at 10:33 (813 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The scratches/grooves have been there at least as long as Alliance has been in the picture. They're not as pronounced in some tubs (as with my AWN542) but I would not have purchased the washer that was on the showroom floor at the local dealership. The grooves near the seam were deep and very sharp. The greasy residue in the tub was clearly visible and the lid was warped.

They're kind of unsightly when compared to the super-sheen of stainless steel tubs in most HE top-loaders, but you rarely hear of the grooves causing actual fabric damage. If that should occur, I'd imagine SQ would replace or repair the tub without too much of a fight.


Post# 838495 , Reply# 147   8/27/2015 at 11:53 (813 days old) by imperial70 (******)        

Don't drink the speed queen koolaid unless you are completely comfortable with it.
Make sure you are completely comfortable. I'm not knocking speed queen, I'm just saying if something doesn't sound or look correct go with your gut.



Post# 838499 , Reply# 148   8/27/2015 at 12:58 (813 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Perfection?

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A perfect washing machine doesn't exist. All of them have a drawback or two. Pick the lesser of evils and go with it. Once you have made your choice...STOP shopping!

Malcolm


Post# 838500 , Reply# 149   8/27/2015 at 13:19 (813 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Malcolm-- Your post is full of pink boxes containing the letter 'E'. What's up with that?! Here is a screen shot of it. I'm on an iPad2 using Safari. Anyone else seeing his post this way?

Update a few minutes later: Your post looks normal, now. Weird!

I agree: The perfect washer still eludes us. Honestly, if the new SQ front-loader had a 4.5 cu.ft. tub, an internal water heater, a recirculating spray, and the option for a pedestal, it would get my vote for Perfect Washer in a heartbeat.


Post# 838537 , Reply# 150   8/27/2015 at 19:09 (813 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)        
I was so ready...

I was so ready to go for the SQ, however this rough edge issue is a deal breaker. How can a company take a look at the main component of a washer about to head out of the factory and believe this is acceptable?

It's like buying a brand new car for top price but the exterior is all dinged up, but don't worry it runs great! And if it doesn't, no problem, we can fix that too!

I'm not trying to knock people that don't mind, I'm sure its as great as I hear, but its just not right. I would pay twice as much if it had a well finished tub.



Post# 838540 , Reply# 151   8/27/2015 at 20:26 (813 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Surprise plot twist in the 3rd act!
😱


Post# 838542 , Reply# 152   8/27/2015 at 20:59 (813 days old) by Gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I'm glad mine doesn't have this rough seam problem that everyone has been buzzing about for the past week or so.

I think now that these machines are being produced in mass quantities probably never seen by Alliance before, and now that more average people are buying them, all sorts of quirks are being discovered that have probably been there all along and just never noticed by the laundromats and commercial customers that had been buying them for years prior.

Just a theory, since I know these machines have not changed a whole ton since they came out in the early 80s.


Post# 838546 , Reply# 153   8/27/2015 at 21:18 (813 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

My SQ AWN432 will be 2 weeks old Saturday, I have the rough spot, actually I'd call it more than rough, some areas have very sharp edges. The dealer was to stop 2 times now and still hasn't made it. I will show up at his store if he's not here soon.I thought about buffing it but I really don't know what I'm doing so I think its best I don't even try.but other than that this is a great washer, it does what I tell it to do and I'm happy with it. Seems like a lot of people are buying SQ now days or is just that I'm noticing it since I have one. Cheryl

Post# 838557 , Reply# 154   8/28/2015 at 02:22 (812 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Cheryl,
I think there's quite a few people buying them. When I bought mine earlier this year the salesman told me there are a lot of people really burned on the new HE machines, for various reasons I assume. I knew exactly what I wanted and went after it, and it wasn't easy to find even in San Antonio Texas.
I don't have a rough seam in the tub, guess I got lucky. I ran my hand over every square inch of the inside before starting my first load. I still haven't raised the water level like most have done on this site, but I'm doing fine. As I stated earlier, I don't over load it as I'm careful on the belt life. My clothes are very clean, and that's saying something when one cares for an elderly parent. My clothes do not look like they've been beaten to death either.


I don't regret buying my Speed Queen, and I'm not buying into the guilt thing on water.

I hope you get your issue resolved quickly, without a lot of hassle.


Post# 839562 , Reply# 155   9/4/2015 at 13:26 (805 days old) by kspkap (Long Beach, MS)        
A Flaw With The New 2015 Speed Queen Electronic

Newbie here. My new Speed Queen, the AWNE92SP113TW01, was delivered yesterday, 09/03/2015. I donated a 6 1/2 year old working Whirlpool Duet FL set (with pedestals) to my neighbor. Never did care for the set and the life span of the front loaders gave me cause for concern. I had nightmares of the washer "giving up the ghost" with a full load of laundry! My Whirlpool salesman purchased his set around the same time I purchased mine. His washer recently "bit the dust", but he was relieved he had the extended warranty. The struts failed and the repair cost would have been $1500! Anyhow, back to the Speed Queen. I spent weeks, and I mean weeks, researching washers. The government has made shopping for appliances soooo much fun! I decided for the SQ. Nice machine, a real work horse, I do the thinking and choosing...not the machine! But, there is a major flaw everyone should be made aware of if using the fabric softener dispenser. It dispenses after the FIRST SPIN! Therefore, after Pre-Wash or Soak, after the Wash cycle for first Rinse, etc. So, forget using fabric softener if you want a Pre-wash, Soak, a 2nd or 3rd Rinse. The softener will just dispense into the wash water or be rinsed away with the extra rinses. I contacted Speed Queen as this made me an "unhappy camper" as my 15 year old GE Profile (left behind due to move) was engineered to dispense at the appropriate time. Response: "That's the way they are built." So, I'll just grin and bear it while I try to time when my chosen Rinse mode occurs and return to the washer to add the softener!

Post# 839565 , Reply# 156   9/4/2015 at 13:52 (805 days old) by Gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The softener dispenser on the agitator is a passive attachment that simply spins the liquid up from the cup and holds it until spinning stops when it drains out into the center of the agitator and into the basket. While not as technologically advanced as a computer controlled dispenser on other machines, it's working as it's designed, not a defect.

I have not looked at the baskets in the showroom models for rough areas but will next time I'm there. I have no intention of buying a top load washer, I'm happy with my 1954 Speed Queen top loader and 2004 SQ front loader :-)

I did notice some broken panels on the SQ display models a while back, Roger in Tuscon had this happen to his machine, but SQ fixed it under warranty and to my knowledge it hasn't happened again. You can see it right on the corner. While it could have been caused by improper moving at the store, Roger's was fine out of the box and happened within a short time after installation. I've not heard any more stories about this, perhaps Alliance rectified whatever the issue was.


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Post# 839580 , Reply# 157   9/4/2015 at 16:50 (805 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Most if not all top load washers of the past .....

Will dump softener after the first spin. It's how the dispenser is designed. Relax you've got a great washer. I've never heard of of top loader with traditional fab soft dispenser being timed. Unheard of. Alliance is correct and in this case I'm sorry it is user error. If you prewash, wash and want a second rinse then program the washer for one rinse and if you want a second rinse you will have to wait if there is not a rinse and spin selector. The machine is a great machine and is finctioning normally.
Mike


Post# 839588 , Reply# 158   9/4/2015 at 18:51 (805 days old) by kspkap (Long Beach, MS)        
In response to mtn1584

Mike,
My GE Profile WPRB9250 did exactly as I described...dispensed the fabric softener at a set mode. How do I know? I by passed the lid switch by removing the contact magnet on the lid and duct taping it to the contact on the housing. Then I watched...yes, I watched from the Soak cycle through the main wash to the second rinse. The dispensing of the softener at the beginning of the SECOND RInse was achieved by NO spinning until the end of the FIRST Rinse or at the end of the Main cycle choosing just a single Rinse. From Soak to Rinse it would fill, wash, drain, NO SPIN, fill....then complete with my choice of one Rinse (with softener dispensed) or just drain, NO SPIN and fill again for the second Rinse at which time the softener was dispensed. This is NOT user error regarding the SQ....just a feature I miss. Believe me when I say I know my washers and other appliances. I've had seven sets through the years and read the manuals throughly. I once was told that I needed to know "if the thing could dance!" I have informed appliance sales people things about their products they weren't aware of.


Post# 839601 , Reply# 159   9/4/2015 at 20:47 (805 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        
Softener dispenser on KM WP

From 1999-2008 I had a KM WP washer with a regular FS dispenser, not an agitator attachment. Pretty sure it dispensed on command from the timer, nothing to do with spinning.

Post# 839610 , Reply# 160   9/4/2015 at 21:45 (805 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Sorry

Mike

Post# 839708 , Reply# 161   9/5/2015 at 14:01 (804 days old) by kspkap (Long Beach, MS)        
Yeah! For The Mighty Clothespin to Bypass the SQ Lid Switch!

The clothespin....one of the best inventions! As per Thread #39369 and Post #583400 with photo, I bypassed my new Electronic Panel Speed Queen's lid switch. Much easier to accomplish if you pull the washer out away from the wall. For an easy move of the washer, spray the feet (the washer's, not yours) with a glass cleaner or an all purpose cleaner....trick I learned years ago from an appliance repairman. In fact I showed the delivery guys the method for an easier placement of my new Speed Queen when they delivered this week. No dragging or lugging...just a smooth move. I located the metal plate/bar shown in the photo. I could hear a click when I pushed up on it. I placed the clothespin as shown. Voila! I can now open the lid to check how things are going and the washer continues to do it's thing. No stopping! Of course I have no small children or pets around. As an aside, I think most of us continue to use too much laundry detergent especially the HE stuff when we don't see suds. Here's another tidbit of knowledge. After the wash has a good start, clothes turning over, etc., stop the washer and check the wash water with your fingers....if slippery...you have enough detergent even though you may not see a large amount of suds.

Post# 847113 , Reply# 162   10/22/2015 at 19:39 (757 days old) by rileyprime (Rancho mission viejo)        
speed queen model AWNE9 washer

Just got my washer and matching dryer, series9 with electronic controls. I wiped the washer twice with towels and Purple Power Degreaser. There was a light film on the towels after rubbing the stainless steel drum, but not much. I then washed these towels, with all the purple degreaser on them, in how water along with washing machine soap. I have just now taken a white terry cloth and rubbed a lot on the tub and there is an almost imperceptible light grey haze. Then wiped again and no haze. So I think the polishing compound is 99% gone after this procedure. I will run one more load of cleaning cloths using dish washer soap and hot water. Bottom line, as long as you are aware of the need to do some light cleaning of the new stainless steel tub the machine is fine. Second, I felt for the sharp part where the tub is welded together and some people have polished off the seam. However, mine is not sharp and seems fine so i think Speed Queen fixed this issue. The Machine is fast and I can speed through laundry rather than taking half a day. I also send an email to technical at SQ asking what the agitator speeds and times were for each cycle (it's not in the owners manual) and they answered within an hour. They also sent me the technical, troubleshooting, manual that lists all the agitator speeds and cycle times for each combination of wash, rinse, and spin. I will try to post the charts here under photos because I think they are very useful.

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Post# 847171 , Reply# 163   10/23/2015 at 08:04 (756 days old) by Dewey643 (Bluffton,IN.)        

My Spped Queen AWN432 is performing flawlessly for me,and so is the ADE3SR dryer,..have had the set just a little over a week now. My water level is fine and I NEVER overload the machine. As for the rough spot in the washer tub many of you have been talking about,...my machine doesn't have any rough spots,...just checked it out by rubbing my hand over it and I did not feel any at all. As Malcolm stated,the perfect machine does not exist! Also,people,..it's a machine,...it's going to make noises,...but my machine's noises seem normal,and it means business when washing a load of clothes. I really do believe it cleans WAY better than the Whirlpool DD machine it replaced.


Post# 847195 , Reply# 164   10/23/2015 at 12:57 (756 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Normal-ECO Rinsing

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So, from the chart provided above, it appears that selecting a second or third rinse on the Normal-ECO cycle overrides the spray rinse with a deep rinse rather than adding a deep rinse after the spray routine.

Am I reading that correctly? (THANKS FOR POSTING)

Malcolm


Post# 847274 , Reply# 165   10/24/2015 at 01:13 (755 days old) by Rileyprime (Rancho mission viejo)        
Spray rinse override

Malcolm - yes, you are reading the chart correctly. Selecting second or third rinse overrides the spray rinse. However the operating manual, as opposed to the technical manual, shows the optional rinses as being in addition to the spray rinse. So tomorrow I will do a test and see which is correct.

Post# 848750 , Reply# 166   10/30/2015 at 20:59 (749 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
great choice.

You have made a wise choice. Nobody else will ever clean your clothes like Speed queen in a million years. Not LG, not Samsung, Not Whirlpool/Maytag, nobody.

Post# 848986 , Reply# 167   10/31/2015 at 21:36 (748 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
rough tubs

a local store has 5 damaged new speed queens($450-600)for sale and I checked the tubs of each one-they were all good with no sharp edges,slivers,greasy film,or black deposits-so perhaps they have corrected those problems.

Post# 854079 , Reply# 168   11/28/2015 at 19:10 (720 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

I'll just leave this here:






Post# 854399 , Reply# 169   11/30/2015 at 18:30 (718 days old) by fordiesel69 (PA)        

I scored a free AWN412SP fron the folks that were renting from us. They could not take it. It is a 2013 model and was used so little, the writing was still like brand new on the drive belt. I have done about 30 super size loads of stuff and I can;t say you can even read anything on the belt now! It is rock solid. I wired from the "R" terminal of the timer (which does not have a wire terminal) you have to insert your owne into the connector) to my own toggle switch so I can have a cold or warm rinse, just like the old days.

Overall it is very good, I would even say the very best for todays 2010+ market, however, I still have to say there were other older models of differnt brands that were superior. Take the maytag dependable care models that began with LAT or LAV in their model numbers, also a super robust platform because it was so simple. (Pictured below).

I will say, I can bet money speed queen will not make these awsome models much longer. The DOE will mandate even tighter water levels.


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Post# 854453 , Reply# 170   11/30/2015 at 22:03 (717 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Looks Can Be Deceiving

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While I agree with you that there were better top loading washers in the past than the current Speed Queens, The MT Dependable Care LAT models were certainly not one of them. The DC Helical drive MTs were a 50 YO design when WP finally pulled the plug on them in 2007.

 

Maytag should have redesigned this once great design instead of fooling around with Norges and Amana-Speed Queen style washers [ they just might still be in business ] LOL.

 

While the MT HD washers certainly look clean and simple with the front panel removed they have as many or more parts than a new SQ TL washer and are at least as difficult to repair if not more so.

 

Better TL washers from the recent past certainly would include higher end Kenmores, Whirlpools and Kitchenaid washers from about 1990-the early 2000s.

 

John L.


Post# 854463 , Reply# 171   11/30/2015 at 23:13 (717 days old) by mjg0619 (Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania)        

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Whirlpool's infinitely superior design must be exactly why you see dozens upon dozens of their belt drive models as opposed to Maytag machines of the same era. Oh wait........

As for the direct drive thumpathons, yes, they're prevalent, yes they're reasonably reliable, but they sound like a derailing freight train, rip clothes to bits (SHREDMORE, anybody?), are prone to agitator problems, and they're about as entertaining to watch as spackle drying.



Post# 854486 , Reply# 172   12/1/2015 at 02:18 (717 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

That seals it for me---!!!WON'T buy any machine with that annoying "BEEP-BEEP" anytime a button is pushed.Drather have the mechanical controls.And can you adjust the water level on the electronic models to what YOU want-NOT what some Buerocrat wants!

Post# 854506 , Reply# 173   12/1/2015 at 07:13 (717 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
I agree

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I think if I were ever to buy a SQ washer, I'd stick with the manual control model. Its the same size and has enough options for me!

Post# 855910 , Reply# 174   12/10/2015 at 01:12 (708 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Service manual

@rileyprime,

do you think I could take a look at that manual? Im very interested about the timing and such particularly on the new eletromechincal models.


Post# 856424 , Reply# 175   12/13/2015 at 11:02 (705 days old) by ellis36 (Mississippi)        
Another new SQ owner

We just replaced a 14 year old Kenmore Elite with a new AWN432. The Kenmore was getting a little long in the tooth and rusty around the top surfaces. We liked the basic controls of the 432.
So far itís a winner. Quieter than the old Kenmore. My wife thinks itís cleans clothes better. Some on this forum have written about the rough weld around the bottom of the drum. Whether itís a random occurrence or they have addressed the problem, the weld in ours is smooth.

ellis




Post# 859053 , Reply# 176   12/30/2015 at 00:16 (688 days old) by Midcentnurse (Lake Charles, La)        
Put my hands on it..

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Finally got to put my hands and eyes on a SQ TL yesterday. Mechanical control model. Very impressed with the build quality esp compared to some of be flimsy junk! I looked at at Lowes.
The dealer here said they're only stocking the mechanical controls bc the service guys like them better. Whatever 😳
I'm pretty sold on the electronic controls. More modern and futuristic 😉
I'm not 100% TL yet but due to space restraints I'm about 80% sure we'll do top load vs FL. The cost is somewhat of a factor too though..
I'll def post pics etc just don't know when we'll be able to get them. But def sold on Speed Queen! Just like Miatas, they're made specifically for me so why buy anything else?! 😁


Post# 866409 , Reply# 177   2/9/2016 at 19:16 (647 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)        
Agitation, spin cycle YES but no drum turn?

I took receipt of the 9 series washer and dryer in November. Working great and so glad I made the switch.

However, It seems the drum has stopped turning during agitation. Yes the agitator is agitating, yes I get the spin cycle, but during agitation I recall the drum used to turn every 2 seconds or so. This isn't happening any more. Any suggestions? I tried on normal, quick and bulky.


Post# 866414 , Reply# 178   2/9/2016 at 20:32 (647 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Toploader? The basket isn't supposed to turn (aka index) during agitation.† SQ toploaders are known to do that for a while when new until everything in the mechanism settles down/wears-in.


Post# 866437 , Reply# 179   2/10/2016 at 06:25 (646 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)        

Dadoes,

This would be good news. How did you come to learn of this? Can anyone else confirm? Yes it is a top loader.


Post# 866443 , Reply# 180   2/10/2016 at 07:45 (646 days old) by billiedyer1954 (Ohio, USA)        
indexing

the drum only turns when the washer is new. after the brakes wear in it stops. I have a 2012 model. it took mine about a month to stop. trust us, this is normal

Post# 866459 , Reply# 181   2/10/2016 at 10:58 (646 days old) by bladeandstone (Austin, TX)        

Thank you both. I spoke with alliance tech support and they confirmed. Appreciated!

Post# 866513 , Reply# 182   2/10/2016 at 16:11 (646 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Re:indexing

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all are correct.

Vid 1 of my machine right after I got it.




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Post# 866577 , Reply# 183   2/10/2016 at 21:46 (645 days old) by gusherb (Chicago/NWI)        

Mine didn't index alot from the beginning but stopped completely around 7 months into owning it.

Post# 866578 , Reply# 184   2/10/2016 at 22:04 (645 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Bought my Speed Queen last August the drum still moves maybe an inch back and forth but it makes a thump thump thump sound doing it...should I be concerned?

Post# 866682 , Reply# 185   2/11/2016 at 16:22 (645 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        

No, that's the sound of the tub moving back and forth as the brakes hold the tub during agitation. This sound is normal.
Mike


Post# 866783 , Reply# 186   2/12/2016 at 09:32 (644 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Mike, thank you, I can stop worrying now...I had a time getting on here to post a thank you ..this post is getting looong. Again Mike Thank You....Cheryl

Post# 866788 , Reply# 187   2/12/2016 at 10:03 (644 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
No problem

Enjoy your washer!!
Mine is going on seven years old now. I have the AWN542.
Mike





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