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Post# 822385   5/7/2015 at 09:57 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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As some of you know or worked out, I picked up the new unused Hotpoint 1504 that was on ebay a few weeks ago. The machine I grew up with and never thought I'd own one. Had to raid the house renovation budget but I can live without doing up the place for a bit longer!

Thought I'd do a thread on here to show the old girl and comment on some of the design changes between this and the newer models. I'm going to do this the old way so I can put comments on each photo.

Here's the first - the box





Post# 822386 , Reply# 1   5/7/2015 at 09:59 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Didn't travel far on Valentines day in 1973 - what a present. I wonder what the other 11 items were - 1600 perhaps?

Post# 822387 , Reply# 2   5/7/2015 at 10:00 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Accessories?

Post# 822388 , Reply# 3   5/7/2015 at 10:01 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Yes its the hoses and hooks for the back

Post# 822389 , Reply# 4   5/7/2015 at 10:04 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Complete with tap adaptors. You'll notice that the supply side of the hoses were not fitted with the screwed connections that we have now. My mum's machine when it was finally plumbed in just had the hoses pushed onto copper pipe secured with a jubilee clip.

Post# 822390 , Reply# 5   5/7/2015 at 10:06 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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first full frontal

Post# 822391 , Reply# 6   5/7/2015 at 10:12 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Without the plastic. My Mum got her machine just after they got married in October 1969 so it would have been one of the first of these models. Her's had minutes on the timeline rather than the Max, Med, Min and the timeline lit up. My service manual says that the lamp and lampholder were deleted in 1971 - I may resurrect this feature

Post# 822392 , Reply# 7   5/7/2015 at 10:14 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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this is the only damage to the machine - a small amount of rust on the bottom of the left hand side so it has survived remarkably well

Post# 822393 , Reply# 8   5/7/2015 at 10:16 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Back of the machine all wrapped up. you can see evidence of that rust on the plastic

Post# 822395 , Reply# 9   5/7/2015 at 10:20 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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No paper ratings plate here - date code is February 1973 so hot off the production line

Post# 822396 , Reply# 10   5/7/2015 at 10:22 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Instruction book, guarantee card, aftersales leaflet and tap connector guide. The instruction book is quite detailed but they dropped the little pictures of the tub showing the stage the wash was at

Post# 822397 , Reply# 11   5/7/2015 at 10:26 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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no fitted plugs in those days. My Mum's machine had the old wiring colours as these hadn't been standardised at that time. My aunties later top loader had a round pin 15 amp plug fitted and had to have the lead extended so it could plug into the only 15 amp socket which was next to the fireplace in the living room

Post# 822398 , Reply# 12   5/7/2015 at 10:28 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I found a suitable one to install which came of said auntie's Hotpoint hoover! I thought it more appropriate than a white one

Post# 822399 , Reply# 13   5/7/2015 at 10:30 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Worktop off - I have the same style worktop on the Supermatic which must have passed down from an earlier model

Post# 822401 , Reply# 14   5/7/2015 at 10:32 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Lid open and one of the first internal differences is the design of the filter tray - the centre part is a different shape the lid also

Post# 822403 , Reply# 15   5/7/2015 at 10:38 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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you can see the top of the gyrator knob does not have the O-ring fitted as the tray simply pushes on.

Post# 822404 , Reply# 16   5/7/2015 at 10:39 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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What's inside?

Post# 822405 , Reply# 17   5/7/2015 at 10:41 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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I was surprised to see Ariel in there as well as Persil. I knew Hotpoint had ties with Lever so I'm guessing the Ariel was because of the new powders button on the machine to make use of the biological action

Post# 822406 , Reply# 18   5/7/2015 at 10:43 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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The Persil box is damp damaged although the powder still seems to be free flowing inside. Not that much smell to them though. The Comfort is just like how it used to be.

Post# 822407 , Reply# 19   5/7/2015 at 10:45 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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first look inside at the gyrator - service book term for it anyway

Post# 822408 , Reply# 20   5/7/2015 at 10:48 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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The inside of the tub. This is the same finish as my 1509 whereas my mum's machine had the light grey bowl

Post# 822409 , Reply# 21   5/7/2015 at 10:50 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Here is the drive nut. There is no bowl clamp on this model as this was introduced later. Not sure if they had a problem with the bowls coming off for them to introduce the clamp or it allowed them to modify the bottom of the bowl!

Post# 822410 , Reply# 22   5/7/2015 at 10:51 (719 days old) by mrzach2010 (UK)        

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What a fantastic find! Lucky you. I would love one of these but I'm a stickler when it comes to the water bill! I'm sure its worth it though, have fun!

Post# 822411 , Reply# 23   5/7/2015 at 10:52 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Here is a close up of the gyrator and gyrator knob - both are a slightly different design to the later models.

Post# 822412 , Reply# 24   5/7/2015 at 10:53 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Now round the back - close up of the connection instructions

Post# 822413 , Reply# 25   5/7/2015 at 10:57 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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here's one of the biggest differences to the later machines - the water inlets are on the lower side at the back and the drain hose connection is near the bottom. The inlets were moved to the console after this model and the drain hose eventually moved to the top to stop the machine from draining if the drain hose was not installed high enough.

Post# 822414 , Reply# 26   5/7/2015 at 10:59 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hardboard back off and first view of the innards - this one seems better quality than the backs of later models although there is no lip on the console for this to slot under. One of the things you notice immediately is there is a lot less wiring than the later models

Post# 822416 , Reply# 27   5/7/2015 at 11:03 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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close up of the 4-pole motor. This was replaced by 2-pole motors with the introduction of the 1509/02 and the running speed was doubled. The 4-pole motors were quieter but must have been more expensive one assumes as it seems a backward step to make a machine noisier!

Post# 822417 , Reply# 28   5/7/2015 at 11:06 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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A close up of the clutch - this had only 1 anti-squeal spring fitted - later models had 2. I can't get my head round how putting a spring round it works

Post# 822418 , Reply# 29   5/7/2015 at 11:09 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Underneath view - again, the bottom of this machine is in fantastic condition. The 1509/10 new model that I got had a fair bit of rust on the bottom - must just have been how they have been stored. The clutch is a totally different design to the later models.

Post# 822419 , Reply# 30   5/7/2015 at 11:13 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Here is one of the dampers and the suspension springs. the damper mounting changed in later models and the springs were not as shiny as this!

I'm going to have to leave the post there for today (I should have been doing work) and upload the rest of the pictures tomorrow.


Post# 822420 , Reply# 31   5/7/2015 at 11:18 (719 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London UK)        
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Thanks for taking the time to do such a great narrative Steve, it was a great find, thanks for sharing "the love".

Al


Post# 822446 , Reply# 32   5/7/2015 at 12:43 (719 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
Great machine

you've got yourself there Steve, well worth delaying the home improvements for, no that you've time for that with all these lovely machine to enjoy.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd always assumed the anti squeal spring on the clutch was to conduct the heat away from the clutch as it slips for the duration of the static drain, and perhaps at twice the speed why the 2 pole motor required 2 springs, they are in a way like convector heater coils.

This clutch slip I know is engineered to a tolerance etc, but with my engineering hat on, I've never liked the fact the clutch slips for several minutes creating heat that has to be dispersed, whilst the tub drains, it obviously works reliably as proved for going on 40 years, it just isn't a very elegant solution in my view.

Thanks for showing all these photos of the packaging, these are all memories for many of us, I certainly remember unpacking our new 18*** 2 button bol model machine in november1979, (not long after the purple was replaced by the brown and silver colour scheme), unbolting the bracket holding the tub in place and cardboard sections etc, these are the photos you can't take with restoration projects, so great to see the original packaging here. They certainly only gave away persil automatic and comfort by 1979.

So look forward to reading and seeing about the first wash.

Mathew



Post# 822450 , Reply# 33   5/7/2015 at 13:08 (719 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Fantastic find there Steve, and a pleasure to see the packaging from the "Delivery Days" getting quite the Top loader launderama down there, will have to have a visit when its all complete!!

I picked one of these up as a trade in mid 80`s, needed a new belt and sold it to my sisters boyfriend, worked for his mum and large family until recently!! A great design that stood the test of time and delivered solid reliability...the pub near us growing up had one in the kitchen upstairs, it was in a front window with low sill and could be seen from outside, also it pumped out into a trough drain and then down a long pipe, you could see the steam rising and smell the boiling whites Persil sudsy water when emptying....

Now get that Persil opened and make that Suds Cake...


Post# 822457 , Reply# 34   5/7/2015 at 13:56 (719 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK))        
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That looks great Steve, I'm glad it went to a good home. I hear that you prompted the seller to be on the lookout for other rare Hotpoint models! Here's a quick shot of it's long term storage partner installed and doing what it should after 42 years. I assume you're going to put it through its paces, look forward to seeing some pictures of it in action.
Ian


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Post# 822467 , Reply# 35   5/7/2015 at 15:51 (719 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K)        

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Evening Steve,
Fantastic find in all it's glory !! Welcome to the 1504 club
Are you planning on using yours ? I luv mine and would'nt change it for the world.
Happy washing
Keith


Post# 822471 , Reply# 36   5/7/2015 at 16:24 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hey Al - Hope you are well and settled into your new place. Was worried it might bore people so glad it's been interesting. Will do some more tomorrow.

Mathew - I hadn't thought about heat dissipation. I've had another look at the service manual to see if there are any clues. It states that the 2 pole replacement motors were introduced in October 1977 and after March 1978 an extra groove was machined in the clutch housing and a second anti-squeal spring was fitted. I guess the build up of heat could cause the squealing? Not sure of what but I think your explanation is probably right and can't find any other mention of it.

It was great to get the box for both this and the 1509. I love the design on this one with the bubbles and the date is great too - what a Valentine's Day pressie.

Haha I remember those suds cakes Mike - would occasionally see one in my mums machine - she used Daz mainly although Lux flakes for curtains and Stergene for woollies. Shame you can't get big box non automatic powder now - the modern boxes are really small. Will have to stoke up the hot water for a top loader wash in at some point!

Ian - that cooker is fantastic - I had a good look at it when I picked the machine up. The chap we got these off was really nice but said he wouldn't tell me how much he paid to save me from tears lol. I have been in two minds about using it but am sure I will soon. I actually bought some new taps so I could use the tap adapters but they are not as they looked in the picture and they won't fit so will have to keep my eye out for some second hand ones - how sad am I! I did think if he's managed to get these beauties then he should be briefed on other potential finds - here's hoping :)


Post# 822472 , Reply# 37   5/7/2015 at 16:28 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Keith

Thanks - yes will be using I'm sure - will retire the 1509 for a while at least. I'm looking forward to hearing the difference between the 2 and 4 pole motors. Funnily enough, while I was researching the 1504 another used one appeared in Birmingham on free cycle back in December. It looked like it was being used to test textiles as was a bit worn. Wonder if anyone spotted it and got it - amazing for 2 to come up. Just shows you that there are still classic out there.

S :)


Post# 822515 , Reply# 38   5/8/2015 at 03:52 (719 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Here's the link to the 1504 that was advertised in Birmingham on Freecycle back in December - I only saw this recently buy it may still be available if anyone is interested

CLICK HERE TO GO TO sesteve's LINK


Post# 822522 , Reply# 39   5/8/2015 at 06:43 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Back to the pics

The support tube, brake solenoid and the gearbox which has a bit of surface rust on it


Post# 822523 , Reply# 40   5/8/2015 at 06:45 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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bellows seal. Not sure what the sticky out bit on the support tube is for. Also you can see the lack of wiring connections on the bottom of the tub...

Post# 822524 , Reply# 41   5/8/2015 at 06:48 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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close up of the pump with the larger drive pulley and flexible drive. Later pumps were redesigned with a smaller pulley and the impeller reduced to 2 blades

Post# 822525 , Reply# 42   5/8/2015 at 06:50 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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The reason for the reduction in wires is the hydraulic thermostat which operates via a capillary tube which you can see here. Also some sloppy cabinet finish with those runs

Post# 822526 , Reply# 43   5/8/2015 at 06:52 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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The pressure bottle is also a different design and the rubber tube from it is all sparkly for some reason

Post# 822527 , Reply# 44   5/8/2015 at 06:53 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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A close up of the fill valves

Post# 822528 , Reply# 45   5/8/2015 at 06:56 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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The fill arrangement is very different to the later models. Firstly the later models discharge directly over the rear of the tub from an air break sat right under the water inlet valves. Here this one is connected to the side of the tub.

Post# 822529 , Reply# 46   5/8/2015 at 06:59 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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this is via a water inlet and funnel arrangement at the right hand side of the console (from the rear view). This acts as an air break. Also I forgot to mention above that there is no bowl overflow on this model either.

Post# 822530 , Reply# 47   5/8/2015 at 07:04 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Here's a picture of it in the service manual. Can see now why they simplified it

Post# 822531 , Reply# 48   5/8/2015 at 07:05 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Timer

Post# 822532 , Reply# 49   5/8/2015 at 07:07 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Thermostat. The motor relay and overload is on the bottom right of the picture

Post# 822533 , Reply# 50   5/8/2015 at 07:08 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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And a top view of the console showing the pressure switch as well.

Post# 822534 , Reply# 51   5/8/2015 at 07:15 (718 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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So there she is - one of her younger cousins to the right. Will get round to getting her going and taking some pictures and videos to upload in the next couple of weeks - probably without the tap connectors for now!

S :)


Post# 822557 , Reply# 52   5/8/2015 at 09:25 (718 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        

Just to formally congratulate you here Steve. Loving the pictures, it's a dream come true!

James.


Post# 822749 , Reply# 53   5/10/2015 at 09:17 (716 days old) by ooversanwashers (Stoke On Trent Staffordshire)        
I so wanted your washer when I saw it on eBay!

Hi to all I'm a new member and hope I'll be welcome?

Sesteve I saw your washer on eBay and got so exited but you beat me to it!
Will you be using it or keeping it brand new?


Post# 822752 , Reply# 54   5/10/2015 at 09:59 (716 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
How fashions change - or not

There is something so elegant, simplistic, even majestic about the design of these 1504s that the fashion has almost gone full circle and I think would suit a modern kitchen well. The picture that (I think) another member posted, who is using an example of this model everyday, proves it.

R


Post# 822888 , Reply# 55   5/11/2015 at 05:15 (715 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K)        

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Hi Triumphtoledo,
Totally agree with what you are saying about going full circle, maybe in the 80's/90's the machine may have been a bit out of place, but with many retro influences in our lives now it fits in well in a modern kitchen.
The B&Q man did take a second look when i said this machine needs to be intergrated into my new kitchen - LOL
Cheers Keith


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Post# 823175 , Reply# 56   5/13/2015 at 04:39 (714 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Luke

I know that feeling but that's eBay for you. I am planning on using it. The room I currently have as a laundry in the house is an en-suite which I am going to convert into a proper utility room so this machine will be integrated into the design - a bit like Keith's.

I think this particular model is a timeless design - so simple yet quite stylish.

Keith - how does yours cope with an unbalanced spin? The 1509 I have can certainly wobble so I'm not sure how much clearance to leave at the sides.

S :)


Post# 823300 , Reply# 57   5/13/2015 at 20:29 (713 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
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a stereo panel!  That's neat!


Post# 823317 , Reply# 58   5/13/2015 at 23:10 (713 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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What a beautiful machine. Of all the Hotpoint TLs this is my preferred control panel style, very minimalistic yet functional.

I'm in full agreement with the previous posts, the styling has held up remarkably well over the years in spite of its age, and wouldn't look at all out of place in a modern setting. The later brown trimmed models, as much as I still like them, dated a lot more quickly.

Those tap adaptors! I definitely remember them, don't think we got plumbed for an auto until the mid 80s. The nozzle that lets you draw water off while the machine is running always reminds me somewhat of a Supatap, something else you hardly ever see nowadays.


Post# 924275 , Reply# 59   3/1/2017 at 04:02 by sesteve (London, UK)        
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Hi all

As another one of these machines has surfaced recently I am putting up some additional pictures I took of my machine as I had to strip it down as it would not get up to full speed on spin - hardly surprising after being sat there for such a long time. Hopefully others will find them helpful.

Starting with the cabinet removed


Post# 924276 , Reply# 60   3/1/2017 at 04:02 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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And front

Post# 924277 , Reply# 61   3/1/2017 at 04:03 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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top removed

Post# 924278 , Reply# 62   3/1/2017 at 04:04 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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close up of fill spout. I said previously that the bowl did not have an overflow but there is one in the previous picture located at the front

Post# 924279 , Reply# 63   3/1/2017 at 04:05 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Water fill from console

Post# 924280 , Reply# 64   3/1/2017 at 04:06 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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drive nut

Post# 924281 , Reply# 65   3/1/2017 at 04:06 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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removed

Post# 924282 , Reply# 66   3/1/2017 at 04:07 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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top seal removed - note the lack of a bowl clamp on these models

Post# 924283 , Reply# 67   3/1/2017 at 04:08 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Bowl out

Post# 924284 , Reply# 68   3/1/2017 at 04:09 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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You can see the pocket for the thermostat phial here

Post# 924285 , Reply# 69   3/1/2017 at 04:10 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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close up of the bearing race

Post# 924286 , Reply# 70   3/1/2017 at 04:11 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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underside of bowl showing seal glued in place

Post# 924287 , Reply# 71   3/1/2017 at 04:12 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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on its side

Post# 924288 , Reply# 72   3/1/2017 at 04:13 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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base showing the bottom horizontal support. This is the bit that has to be adjusted to ensure smooth running

Post# 924289 , Reply# 73   3/1/2017 at 04:21 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Bar removed

Post# 924290 , Reply# 74   3/1/2017 at 04:22 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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gearbox removed

Post# 924292 , Reply# 75   3/1/2017 at 04:23 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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view of lid through machine!

Post# 924294 , Reply# 76   3/1/2017 at 04:23 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Surgery almost complete

Post# 924295 , Reply# 77   3/1/2017 at 04:25 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Back together and working again

Post# 924296 , Reply# 78   3/1/2017 at 04:28 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Just watch out for the rate it pumps out!!

Post# 924297 , Reply# 79   3/1/2017 at 04:30 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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complete with lamp in the timeline as the original version had and a suds cake developing. Hope these are useful

S


Post# 924303 , Reply# 80   3/1/2017 at 05:11 by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London UK)        
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Very interesting pictures Steve, thank you for posting. I don't think mine had any problem getting up to the spin speed but I don't recall a light in the timeline, which I think looks really good - looks like there is another small project in store.

And I believe yet another 1504 has emerged in Lincoln as well ....

Al


Post# 924307 , Reply# 81   3/1/2017 at 05:16 by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Great pictures Steve will come in handy as they appear to be multiplying at a rate of knots ha ha....
just looked up the serial numbers in the one at Als, some 64, 000 after yours !!

Just goes to show "if it aint broke dont fix it! as the build was virtually the same from this series with the poly outer tub right to the end...


Post# 924323 , Reply# 82   3/1/2017 at 07:14 by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Thank you for posting about this awesome find. What a beautiful machine.

Post# 924344 , Reply# 83   3/1/2017 at 09:58 by sesteve (London, UK)        

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haha Thanks guys.

Yes it was the Lincolnshire find that prompted the extra pictures as better to create the record here than to have just sent them on directly- and a lot easier lol. I'm looking forward to some pictures of that one soon.

The lamp was deleted early on so mine was a retrofit - quite easy to do. The only issue I have with my machine is that my belt seems to slip a bit during drain and can't be tightened any further. Have not had any luck finding one of these chunky ones so far but it doesn't stop me using it.

I can't believe its 64,000 more either - I wonder how many of this model were actually made in total!

S



Post# 924374 , Reply# 84   3/1/2017 at 14:45 by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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OMG ! Stephen, I'm speechless.

Congratulations, this is simply a fantastic find. So beautiful and modern!

It seems almost incredible that it is so old.

... and then those boxes of old detergents and the fabric softener ... wonderful

P.S. How long it takes to do a very hot cycle?

Ingemar


Post# 924376 , Reply# 85   3/1/2017 at 14:52 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Love that NIB washer smell :-) Beautiful pictures, it's fun to see them apart while still factory fresh.


Post# 925495 , Reply# 86   3/7/2017 at 13:35 by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        

Thanks for posting these really detailed pics Steve! It appears that Hotpoint made many minor changes during the first half a dozen top loader models before settling with the basic design of the 1509 until the mid-1980s when the controls changed.

1504s are elegant looking machines and it's nice to hear stories about them surfacing still, I hope I can get one sometime too!

All the best,

James





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