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Thread Number: 59692
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
First "big" HE TL load on YT? |
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Post# 823080 5/12/2015 at 13:06 (3,265 days old) by henene4  (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I guess, one can consider this a quite certain load. Though there is roll over, its clear why Samsung is rated a bit harsh on laundry by Reviewed.com. The rinsing however seems rather well focused on the lower half of the drum. | ||
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Post# 823089 , Reply# 1 5/12/2015 at 13:56 (3,265 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Not the first big load | ||
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Post# 823091 , Reply# 2 5/12/2015 at 13:59 (3,265 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I should clarify Samsung TL, everyday mixed load, Normal cycle! | ||
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Post# 823092 , Reply# 3 5/12/2015 at 14:01 (3,265 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 823119 , Reply# 4 5/12/2015 at 18:23 (3,264 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Post# 823129 , Reply# 5 5/12/2015 at 19:01 (3,264 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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 I cannot imagine any towel in that huge WP TLer betting clean. That load should have gone in the Duet. then it would have gotten thoroughly clean. What he put in the Duet should have gone in the TLer. That's horrible!! Pancake washing. Why I hate TLers. Looks like it at least has a recirculating spray. | ||
| Post# 823130 , Reply# 6 5/12/2015 at 19:15 (3,264 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 823174 , Reply# 7 5/13/2015 at 04:38 (3,264 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I can't either appnut!! | ||
| Post# 823189 , Reply# 8 5/13/2015 at 06:29 (3,264 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Awesome Blooming Action? | ||
| Post# 823213 , Reply# 9 5/13/2015 at 09:16 (3,264 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio)) | ||
HE HE HOHO | ||
| Post# 823225 , Reply# 10 5/13/2015 at 10:43 (3,264 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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why do they even bother making High Efficiency Top Loaders ??? I can get better cleaning action using my hands in a kitchen sink ! | ||
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Post# 823295 , Reply# 11 5/13/2015 at 19:52 (3,263 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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why do they even bother making High Efficiency Top Loaders ? Because people in this country are too stupid to see the inept physics involved in trying to get clothes clean this way and refuse to use front loaders. Too ... to figure out how front loaders perform best. What do Europeans know that Americans refuse to realize and acknowledge? Front loaders cannot be bad if Europeans have been using them for decades. We are hampered because modern front loaders do not use a 240v. heater to speed up water heating due to our electrical system design in houses. | ||
| Post# 823358 , Reply# 14 5/14/2015 at 08:11 (3,263 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Seriously?
I can't believe these last few comments. Granted some TL HE machines suck but some do an excellent job at cleaning. But none of them are "waterless", they use LOW water. And as I stated with my new Kenmore 28102 (Cabrio), IT CLEANS AMAZINGLY WELL. EQUAL IF NOT BETTER THAN ANY NORMAL TOP LOAD WASHER I HAVE EVER USED. I think any with recirculating water clean a lot better, IMO anyway.
I understand the concept of liking old school washers…because honestly I really do myself. But I'm not going to insult anyone who likes new technology and likes to try new ways of doing things. I was personally insulted by some of the comments. I hardly think I am "simple minded and gullible" I'm not 20 years old, I'm twice that and have used pretty much every type of washer available in the last 40 years so i think I have some idea of what I'm talking about. Good grief. Thanks. | ||
| Post# 823362 , Reply# 16 5/14/2015 at 08:57 (3,263 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Yes I'm sure it was aimed at the everyday washer user lol, but still it's aggravating when I say that I have this kind of washer and it works great…your statement is completely ignored and overturned even.
I work for an airline and I was in an aviation forum for years. I finally got out of it because I was so tired of insulting comments and arguments over things. The last straw was hearing a select few people wishing my airline would go under. I'm like, hello that's my employer and the employer of thousands of other people. Very rude. | ||
| Post# 823372 , Reply# 17 5/14/2015 at 10:40 (3,263 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I myself used to be one to bash newer machines. In our society, the majority of people look at a dishwasher or washing machine as nothing more than a "tool" to do the deeds that they'd rather not even think about, and God forbid they be the subject of conversation. Because of that, with 99% of us here at AW being the types that DO appreciate the engineering behind these overlooked machines, we're exposed too often to the people that are the exact opposite, and with that we hear more of the negative than the positive simply because people don't bother to educate themselves about the products they are using. A quick Google or YouTube search will bring back COUNTLESS results of people complaining that their washer is a "piece of junk", and 9 times out of 10, if you're able to get more of the story, it boils down to them using it in such a way that of course the poor machine wasn't able to work properly..
That was the case with the Oasis-Cabrio washers. My only experience with them was witnessing how they had been operated by other people, or hearing endless complaints about how they were pieces of junk that wouldn't even get the clothes wet. Now I own one of those machines, and I couldn't be happier with it. Yes, it took a few loads to adjust my habits and adapt to the difference in how it operates versus a traditional agitator washer, but since then, I have YET to pull a garment of clothing out that wasn't crisp and clean, spotless, and spun out so well that it took just a short cycle in the dryer to be ready for folding or hanging up. Of the videos above, the F&P and the Vantage(Oasis) were the ones to actually move the load around more effectively than the SS and LG, even if it was slow. That Vantage performed better than I would have ever expected it to with that many towels. I've loaded mine to the top of the basket with towels and had perfect results, but I've never packed it like that. I'd be too afraid to put unnecessary strain on the drive system. That said, there are top-loading HE washers out there that I wouldn't trust to put even my old raggedy pet bathing towels into, simply because with natural understanding of physics and mechanics, there's no way they could possibly work well even when loaded properly. I believe we had a user here that couldn't get an LG Waveforce to produce a cleaned load without babysitting it or running the load twice. Seeing the videos above of those and the practically identical Samsungs just convinces me that those machines are not for me. They may work perfectly if used for smaller loads or something, but because that is not how I expect my machines to perform, I'll politely decline it. If it works for someone else, go all for it. If someone asks my honest opinion or advice on the subject, I'll give my thoughts openly, but I'd never intentionally insult or bash a person because of their choice in a product. | ||
| Post# 823512 , Reply# 19 5/15/2015 at 07:32 (3,262 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Good points Jim! Very true that most consumers look for flashy everything, and more importantly NEW. It's new so it has to be better right? Wrong. I guess what has drawn me to HE TL's is that I do like the agitation aspect of the washer. I know a FL would have suited me better, being in a condo with limited space it would have freed up room to make new storage. But I have always found them "boring" because I like to watch the action so to speak. Laundry has become more complex, not in that people's clothes are dirtier but more so that the machines are different. In most of these machines you can't just blindly throw clothes in, pick whatever cycle and they come out generally clean. You DO have to read the manual, which probably 80% of consumers don't do.
That being said, being a forum member I spent a HUGE amount of time researching to find an HE TL machine that I think works the best. I actually ordered the Kenmore version of the LG at first, only to realize that it wasn't going to wash the way I wanted it to. (It figures I find useful information against my purchase after I purchase it). When I bought my GE Hydrowave, I did the same. The reviews I read were very varied. Some loved it, some hated it. Quite honestly the only thing different about it from the old Kenmore DD's was the longer arc and sounds it made. Otherwise it washes just like any other regular washer. I had no problems with mine at all. Everything came out very clean (except my white socks but they are hard to clean anyway). I did wash my pillows in my new machine and you are correct, it was a challenge. Though they did come out cleaner than before…but I did have to flip them. The recirculating spray helped immensely! I've washed 3 queen blankets and the turnover was a bit slow but again, the spray helped to drench them and yes, they came out sparkling clean and pet hair free. Thank you for the explanation of your thoughts and I completely understand where you are coming from. | ||
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Post# 823523 , Reply# 20 5/15/2015 at 09:20 (3,262 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 I guess what has drawn me to HE TL's is that I do like the agitation aspect of the washer. I know a FL would have suited me better, being in a condo with limited space it would have freed up room to make new storage. But I have always found them "boring" because I like to watch the action so to speak.I had never used a frontloader until I refurbished a 2005 Duet HT in Nov 2012 for use by the tenants at a friend's rental house. I used it for a couple months until the house renovation was finished. I found the tumble patterns and load balancing/distribution routines as entertaining to watch as the agitation of a traditional or HE toploader. | ||
| Post# 823530 , Reply# 22 5/15/2015 at 09:46 (3,262 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I should give FL's another thought. Maybe for my next purchase. haha. I used an LG set for 2 years in my previous home. But I always used "Speed Wash" because I thought the cycle times were too long. Granted my clothes don't get dirty enough where I would need to wash them on a full cycle. Plus my roommate who owned the house was constantly harassing me about using the washer. We were on septic and he wanted me to do only 1 load a day. Considering how little water those machines use, I thought it was silly but I followed his rules. lol
Yesssss that GE is certainly interesting. I know Jamie did videos of it and it seemed to work ok but I was very skeptical of how well it would perform. What really sold me was watching videos of the F&P top load with the impeller. I was really impressed at how it turned the clothes over…and of course the recirculating spray. I'd still like to get my hands on a Filter-Flo…I think that's where my fascination with the recirculator comes in. ;-) | ||
| Post# 823541 , Reply# 23 5/15/2015 at 10:40 (3,262 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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A top-load washer MUST have a recirculator, no question about it. I whole-heartedly believe that's what makes or breaks an HE machine. Heck, it's even a requirement for me with a standard top loader. I love my WTW4800 that is stored in a closet but I always wished they could have added that second tiny pump just to soak the load with concentrated detergent before it actually filled up. That would have made a WORLD of difference. I was always surprised that with the success of the Catalyst DirectDrives, it seemed like it could have been an easy and standard thing to do.
The recirc. pump is also what sets the true Oasis/Cabrio/Bravos apart from the VMW versions of the machines, along with them not having the SmartDrive that can adjust and sense the load. The biggest struggle when working in appliance retail was trying to explain why two Cabrios or Bravos models looked almost the same inside but were completely different machines under the hood. | ||
| Post# 823545 , Reply# 24 5/15/2015 at 10:53 (3,262 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I agree completely! I only wish the spray would stay on during the agitation. I think that would make it clean even better? I dunno why they don't have it that way. I'm sure there is a reason. I was looking at the GE HE top loader with the WaterFall recirculation and I think that stays on all the time, but it is just that, a waterfall. The water falls straight down and the stuff in the middle doesn't get much of it.
In addition to the spray, I'd love to see lint filters again. I have 2 cats and when I wash my blankets I'm constantly wiping little balls of hair out of the washer after it's done with the cycle. A filter of some sort would probably catch most of it. I was seriously going to get a Filter-Flo for just that reason! | ||
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